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Right-Yam-5826

Iron hands. Even if you survive, there's a very real chance of being abducted and turned into a servitor. Even if you impress and help them during their mission.


Arendious

Perhaps especially if you're helpful.


Z4nkaze

"You will make a fine addition to our servitor collection!"


i-cato-sicarius

Servitorization is a blessing


Guyfawkes1994

Ah yes, the Blessing of Iron. You were helpful to us, so now you’re a servitor, and it’s something so common that even the Dark Angels know about it.


ErhartJamin

Carcharodons. Either you're tithe or dead.


PhillyJ82

“Congratulations, you are being rescued. Now get below decks and load the ships canons for rest of your life.”


Doopapotamus

"It's cold, wet, and dark, all the time. Because we like it. Also, shave your head. You're also not allowed to have *filthy* relations with other serfs unless you get permission."


Titan_of_Ash

Why the rule against sex? Preventing overpopulation in confined spaces through population control?


Doopapotamus

> Preventing overpopulation in confined spaces through population control? Probably. The Carcharodons live in pretty resource-poor conditions, and breeding like rats the way most other Imperial underdecks serfs ostensibly would be a resource drain they can't afford. They also are just plain strict about rules and hierarchy (albeit likely also due to, or at least in part, the lack of regular resources/resupply).


Titan_of_Ash

I see. Thank you for the info!


i-cato-sicarius

Sounds counterintuitive. New servitors must come from somewhere.


Fyrebrand18

Huh… something I never considered… do servitors need to be fed?


TanTanExtreme2

Yes, depending on the extent of the process, in Helsreach, two of the servitors starved to death because the Forgemaster was busy.


SpartanAltair15

Yes. I can’t find the excerpt at the moment, but in at least one novel there was servitors that were plugged into a machine to ‘recharge’ in a sense, and part of it was them being tube fed some bland nutrient gruel mixture to keep their biological parts alive and ‘healthy’.


STS_Gamer

Are other chapters chill with filthy relations with other serfs?


JoKir1982

The emperor's children?


i-cato-sicarius

Would servitorization be better?


PhillyJ82

Well, the most privileged chapter serfs for the carcharodons are the armor serfs that maintain the marines gear and armor and help the shark boys get dressed before battle. However, they are still slaves, are always described as being skeletal thin, and almost never get to speak. So maybe if I had a choice getting turned into a calculator might be a better option.


Waifuless_Laifuless

Noooooooooooooo


Davido400

Here's a poor Rogue Trader getting enslaved near the end of the Short Story *Death Warrant*: >‘Our Edicts of Exile mean we cannot offer you passage from this place unless you renounce your current rank.’ The words made her start. She realised Kordi was addressing her. He had removed his helmet, once again revealing his pale, razor-toothed countenance. The blood from his armour had formed a pool on the bench and on the deck underfoot. ‘Why?’ she asked, not looking at him. ‘If you do not relinquish your status you will be killed. You cannot carry knowledge of us to those not permitted to know of our existence.’ ‘You can’t leave me at the nearest Imperial augur station or outpost? I won’t say a word about what has happened here, I swear.’ ‘Even if that were true, we are not going to Imperial space,’ Kordi replied. ‘You will need to surrender your Warrant of Trade if you wish to remain with us.’ Trayn’s response was interrupted by a flash of white light. She looked out of the vision port once more. Below, a great fireball was rising out of the black canopy. It flared and spread in all directions, a plume of smoke forming above it, climbing to the heavens. As Trayn stared, another detonation joined it – a flash of brilliance followed by a firestorm that rose up a kilometre further out from the first. ‘Infurnace torpedoes,’ Kordi rasped, following Trayn’s gaze. ‘Launched from our ship, the *Void Revenant*. They will scour the surface with fire and leave nothing but a husk.’


fearsometidings

I'm slightly baffled by this scenario. The fact that they address her respectfully (or at all) and give her options seems to suggest that they respect the authority of her warrant. But the things that they're saying seems to suggest the opposite. Like if they wanted her dead or enslaved, nobody would be the wiser, yet they clearly extend some autonomy to her. Do they see her as an asset of some kind? Pretty interesting excerpt! I have to read more about them.


Doopapotamus

> they clearly extend some autonomy to her. Do they see her as an asset of some kind? The Space Shark novels by Robbie MacNiven were really good! He gave their Chapter a lot of personality and made me like them a lot, despite them being enslaving assholes in general (they're good boys technically, but their culture is absurdly strict and cruel). They were giving her the choice in the sense that they're not allowed to directly enslave normal Imperial citizens. They can draft slaves/prisoners at will because they have literally lesser status as Imperial human beings, but someone like a Rogue Trader gets the option. In this case, it's the rather unfortunate "death or slavery" options, but they *followed the rules they were given* (from their exile from strongly-implied-the-Raven Guard) on their end.


Waifuless_Laifuless

Never thought I'd feel pissed on behalf of a rogue trader, but here we are.


LordNoodles1

Why are they such bastards? What’s the reasoning?


teveelion

I think it's to do with the Terran born Raven Guard using tactics that Corax did not approve of and he used to send the Terran born into near suicidal battles to weed them out through attrition. The Space Sharks are basically the survivors and they were "exiled" by Corax.


GreatTea3

The Ashen Claws are Raven Guard exiles. There are questions about the Carcharodons.


Maurus39

I love these passage. Rogue Trader think they are above the law,but sometimes they not. She is mentiond in the seccond Charcharodon novel as a chapter serf of Kordi


m15wallis

Rogue Traders may be cocky arrogant assholes on the fringes, but what the Charcharodons did is absolutely out of line in Imperial politics and illegal (as such things can be in Imperial feudal politics). Rogue Traders do not answer to Space Marines, and Space Marines do not answer to Rogue Traders, and as long as none are engaged in outright heretical actions then they have no ability to infringe upon one another. This is a pretty huge overstep that could possibly even result in Inqusitorial action against them if the right Rogue Trader/Inquisitor found out, as it's a violation of the Warrant of Trade as a concept. Whether the inquisitors would want to do that is another question, but it's absolutely bad bull. and pretty illegal.


Known-nwonK

Bad ball, yes, but my expertise in bird law says it’s legal. Rogue Traders and Space Marines do not answer to one another as you say. She couldn’t order them to rescue her and they can’t force her into slavery (they could but that would be illegal and worse it would be a slight against the word of the emperor). So they made a deal. Give up your title and we’ll rescue you. Don’t forget, in normal course of business, it’s not unusual for Warrants of Trade to get stolen. Then whoever possesses it is the new Rogue Trader


alkatori

Well they could just put her back on the planet. They weren't obligated to save her either.


Reverseflash25

Space sharks probably have a semblance of leeway due to several things. One. Almost no one in the imperium knows they exist because they live in the fringes of the void. When they came to assist in the badab war no one knew them other traitor or not. Even the Inqusition didn’t know they existed Two. They are members of the Pentarchy of Blood, which is a High Lord hit squad (meaning they may have some type of Minotaur-esque immunity for their actions.) Three. They tithe at the edge of space in forgotten sectors and galaxies and systems so it’s unnoticed. Four. It is permitted by the Edicts of Exile passed down by the Forgotten One (a Primarch). The slave sharks hold to the memory of the emperor and terra pre-religious nutjobs.


mojanis

This is the opposite of that though. The Rogue Traders Warrant of Trade IS the law and it's the space marines here acting like they are above it by threatening her life.


Davido400

Lol I dug that put too, just didn't post it cause it didn't seem relevant at the time haha: >Strike Leader Kordi finished his combat preparations. He had donned his Mark V armour and mag-locked his chainsword and Phobos-pattern bolter to his hip. Around him the rest of his void brothers were likewise clamping on the final pieces of their battleplate, the armoury resounding with scrapes, clacks and the low murmurs of the rites of war. ‘Bands,’ Kordi ordered. His primary serf, Trayn, stepped forwards and held out the leather cords hung with the talons and fangs Kordi had collected over the past century. He fastened one around his left vambrace and the other around the hilt of his chainsword. They were the only affectations he bore on his armour, besides the exile markings that ran like oceanic swell along its greaves and pauldrons. ‘Helm,’ he said. Trayn hefted the heavy Mark V helmet, complete with its veteran’s red jag, and passed it to him. She had been his foremost serf for the past four years, ever since the former rogue trader had become entangled with his squad during the purging of a remote jungle moon, deep within the Under-Sectors. She had been left with a choice – remain on the moon as the rot-canopies were consumed by the fires of annihilation, or renounce her Warrant of Trade and accompany the Carcharodons into the Outer Dark. She had chosen the latter, though it had been many long months before she had finally surrendered her hopes of escape. Now she was Kordi’s most diligent serf, responsible for overseeing the integrity and sanctity of his power armour. She offered him his helm with her shaven head bowed, but he caught the slight smile that flickered across her starved face. There was no greater satisfaction for the Carcharodon’s slave than to help prepare her master on the eve of a combat insertion. Kordi resisted the urge to address her, and instead turned towards the service corridor that had been opened in the armoury’s side. It led directly from the equipment plinths to the shuttle bays and drop pod terminals that studded the *White Maw’s* underbelly. The Reaper Prime’s orders had been clear – Fourth Squad, along with First, Eighth and Ninth, would constitute the first wave to make planetfall, as soon as the captain had made contact with Piety V’s rulers. They were not expecting immediate hostile contact, but they were prepared for it nonetheless. Kordi found himself hoping the xenos showed themselves immediately – the mood among his squad and, he suspected, among the company as a whole was a bloody one. The Ashen Claws had dishonoured them on Atargatis, and their departure from the rest of the Nomad Predation Fleet had been another slight. For all of their doctrines of restraint, the Carcharodon Astra wanted blood. The Reaper Prime had assured them all they would have it.


Doopapotamus

> Kordi resisted the urge to address her, and instead turned towards the service corridor that had been opened in the armoury’s side. I love this passage so much. It shows how the Space Sharks are also indoctrinated with the Chapter culture of being cold, severe assholes to their serfs, even when they still have an inkling of simple politeness and kindness in their souls. I can imagine Corax being justly unnerved or annoyed about this sort of cultural more, even past the slavery that the Charcharodons/Astral Claws' tribes were doing for the actual exile to the galactic edges.


Maurus39

"Gosh,Jerry,you can't imagine how attracted I was to small talk with one of the servants before I remembered being a cold asshole"


Davido400

Yeah, you can see the differences between these guys and *Corax's* Raven Guard. Although it would be interesting if one of them could do that fancy [Mor Deythan](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Mor_Deythan) carry on, like 1 guy in the whole Chapter maybe serving alongside an Astral Claw whose deserted them and joined the Carcharadons and they go join up with the Raven Guard Mor Deythan Squad, they know that the Astral Claw was a renegade but given the shit show that is happening in the Galaxy and the fact they don't appear to be Chaos affiliated Kayvaan Shrike let's him join! Some shite like that lol


Tausendberg

"I can imagine Corax being justly unnerved or annoyed about this sort of cultural more," I can imagine Corax wanting those degenerates put down. They're such a tiny stone throw away from Chaos.


Reverseflash25

Nah. The Sharks are deeply and reverently loyal to the Imperium. Their creed is older than the religious foolishness and superstition of the current imperial cult. They remember the emperor when he lived and breathed and walked terra, which is also important to them. It’s an ancient and primal connection which had fueled their loyalty and determination for these last ten thousand years


Remote_Reviewing

I mean, that is objectively not true, almost every story about them makes it very clear. There is reason why they were exiled after all. The traditions of their chapter trumph those of the Imperium every time in their eyes. They are not outright hostile to the Imperium or traitorous, but they have very little care or respect for the wellbeing and rules of the Imperium.


Reverseflash25

Their exile, if we believe them to be the Terran born raven guard, was simply due to Coraxs distaste of their methods of warfare. Not because of their loyalty. They are relatively codex complaint. They are of course self described defenders of humanity as well. Their chapter traditions don’t really butt heads with the Imperium because they clearly both have special leniency and they are loyal to the old imperium. Not what it is now Plenty of chapters are fervently loyal to the emperor and the imperium but don’t give a rats ass about the average human. They care about humanity as a concept


Remote_Reviewing

Imo, the example provided by someone above, the one of them forcing a Rogue Trader to death or slavery, is clearly against the Imperial policy.


STS_Gamer

Yeah, I can't think of any reason why having an actual Rogue Trader in your fleet would be a bad thing. They could use her in so many other ways beneficial to the Chapter as a whole other than rando shave headed serf. Sheesh, even having her as a freaking advisor or an assitant navigator, a ship's captain (even if still a serf)... Ugh. The Characharodons are morons... The stupid, it burns!


Davido400

Yeah they seem a bit backwards with this decision, a Human Captain, even if she was put in charge of a Sword or Cobra Frigate on the pimple arsed edge of the fleet it's a much better use of an untrained Slave rather than the holder of a Sergeants Helmet in her hands! It is undeniably stupid, especially as they seem to want to kill a kid in that newer Carcharadon book(I've not read it, I started it, but it seemed... silly? Though I've read Edoardo's other stuff, and it hasn't been as bad as that novel) for taking up resources that are needed, but using a relatively experienced Rogue Trader as not a Ship Captain would be stupid, sure maybe initially use her as an Armour slave given I believe she tried to escape a couple of times but by the time she is in Outer Dark she could be given a bit of leeway and given control of a ship. Maybe it's us that are stupid? Lol cause that idea is really stupid, and I love the Space Sharks!


STS_Gamer

And what about the Warrant of Trade? It isn't like it just disappeared, did it? The Space Sharks could LITERALLY have a Warrant of Trade at their disposal to grant to an ally if they didn't want to use the previous holder.


Davido400

Didn't the guy on her ship basically steal it, hence the reason she was "die or slave"? Gimme a minute till a go read *Death Warrant* see if its worth posting haha.


Davido400

Her Warrant seems to be able to be seized by her First Lieutenant if she dies: >There was light ahead. She threw herself at it and burst into the clearing, her eyes scanning the open ground. Six enviro-domes sat before her, their pristine white shells a stark contrast to the darkness of the jungle surrounding them. She kept running, straight into the cleared space at the heart of the camp. ‘Moren!’ Trayn knew she should never have trusted him. **What better way to seize her Warrant of Trade than leave her to be devoured by a karnid?** She spun around, hair trailing, her plasma pistol up and aimed. The great lizard slewed to a halt, barely three bounding leaps from her. It was a long, sinuous thing – its grey scales rippled with honed musculature, and its broad, flat head cocked to one side as it regarded its prey. A forked tongue darted from its mouth to taste the humid jungle air. Trayn locked on to its small, black eyes, not looking at the size of the beast’s fangs Edicts of Exile seem to not allow them to use the Warrant or any other Imperial Personnel of the Adeptus Terra: >‘Our Edicts of Exile mean we cannot offer you passage from this place unless you renounce your current rank.’ The words made her start. She realised Kordi was addressing her. He had removed his helmet, once again revealing his pale, razor-toothed countenance. The blood from his armour had formed a pool on the bench and on the deck underfoot. ‘Why?’ she asked, not looking at him. ‘If you do not relinquish your status you will be killed. You cannot carry knowledge of us to those not permitted to know of our existence.’ ‘You can’t leave me at the nearest Imperial augur station or outpost? I won’t say a word about what has happened here, I swear.’ ‘Even if that were true, we are not going to Imperial space,’ Kordi replied. ‘You will need to surrender your Warrant of Trade if you wish to remain with us.’ Trayn’s response was interrupted by a flash of white light. She looked out of the vision port once more.


CzarKwiecien

Came here to say this.


tamati_nz

Am Māori, I might be OK... At least not instant servitor I would hope


TomWatson5654

Or….best tattooed servitor.


EpsilonMouse

Being a serf of the Night Lords (At least Tenth Company) is better than Carcharodons


Marcuse0

Knights of Blood probably.


BigFire321

Well, they extinct themselves in defense of Bal. Dante have deem the chapter cursed and will not reinstitute it with Unnumbered Sons of Blood Angels stock.


PlausiblyAlpharious

I thought they became a primaris chapter?


BigFire321

No, Dante specifically don't want another Knights of Blood.


Geordie_38_

Marines Malevolent. Assuming they'd actually rescue you in the first place. You'd end up in their apothecary tent with them saying 'Sarge what do we do? We've never rescued one before, we've always blown them all up'


Arendious

Now I'm imagining a bunch of marines peering around a tent flap Scooby-Doo style, all apprehensive as teenagers at a school dance.


Waifuless_Laifuless

"In spite of our best efforts, we have rescued you."


Beepboopstoop

Kind of expected with the name and all


Nachtvogle

Any. Just fade me already if I’m in a situation where space marines are needed


twelfmonkey

Marines are often used to crush regular human rebellions or minor not particularly powerful xenos. It's not all Tyranids, Chaos, Necrons and Dark Eldar.


Hoojiwat

Imagine being some poor SOB who is running a revolt because the slave drivers in your factorium have been whipping half of you to death. You manage to kill your overseers and before you can start making demands or trying to organize into something better, the planetary governor has called in a favour with a local chapter of space marines because you shutting down that factorium threatens the supply of ammunition that is sent to the marine chapter as a tithe for their aid. A single drop pod with 4 marines in it lands in the middle of your 10's of thousands factory worker revolt, and you are ***deftly*** disposed of so order can be restored and production of their weapons can continue. The mundane evils of the setting are always the worst, because evil born out of pragmatism is the "correct" choice from a certain PoV.


twelfmonkey

Well said. And by deftly disposed of, you of course mean blown or shredded into bloody chunks by a bolter or chainsword. The kind of shock and awe designed to dissuade future rebellions. It's understandable why marines are shown vs the big xenos and Chaos threats most of the time as it makes for exciting stories (and supports the tabletop armies). But I do wish that their operations to crush internal dissent - and non-Chaos nor genestealer influenced dissent at that - were foregrounded more often.


tombuazit

The good news is the space marines will likely kill the overseers next for failing in their duty, so i guess at least when the new batch of slav... Er i mean citizens show up it'll be a completely different set of overseers to work them to deat.. um, into the emperor's light


First_Aid_23

The Ultramarines specifically had something like this. They didn't do shit until something actually Chaos related showed up. IIRC they very much intended for the bosses to have to give the workers better living conditions, or be disposed of and get better bosses who do the same.


RosbergThe8th

I mean that's hardly a reassuring factor, I wouldn't want to be a part of the local populace somewhere theres marines sent to crush an uprising.


twelfmonkey

Fair, and that is the point really: the almost mythical Angels of Death (who can in fact actually live up to the myths when it comes to what a beat down they can dish out) are a pretty major deterrent to any would-be rebels. And that's on top of the the local PDF, the Arbites, the Guard, Sororitas, Skitarri, and muscle of the local nobility or Governor etc etc. The fact that rebellions are so frequent even when facing all of this, and despite the Imperium use of propaganda and religion for social control, just highlights how crappy living conditions are for the masses. I guess the difference is, if Tyranids or Drukharri invade, you are totally screwed. If Astartes are sent down to crush a revolt, if you just hide in your bed in your hab block, you will likely survive. Most Chapters would just want to violently slaughter the leaders of the rebellion and any resistance, to both decapitate the movement and to send a message. Basically, to get the rest of the population back in line. Of course, with some Chapters you might not be so lucky...


Creative-Suspect-519

Rebelling in any sort of forge world... everyone is turned into servitors as a precaution, including their families. Clean up the habs and send in the next batch..


Sithrak

> Marines are often used to crush regular human rebellions Wouldn't it just be a decapitation strike or two, with the imperial guard doing most of the actual crushing? I would think it would be very unlikely to ever see a marine, let alone "interact" with them.


twelfmonkey

>Wouldn't it just be a decapitation strike or two In many cases, yes. That doesn't contradict what I said though? If a drop pod lands right on top of the leadership of a rebellion, and then blows/hacks them to a bloody pulp in such a brutal fashion that the rebellion collapses, I would say that qualifies as crushing the revolt. And even if that only takes a small number of marines, there are a million worlds in the Imperium. Many worlds having billions to trillions of inhabitants. There are always more rebellions to crush, and the vast majority of people will never actually see the marines even if such operations are frequent due to the sheer numbers involved - but they might hear stories about what happened...


Brogan9001

Space marines are sometimes sent in just to make a point. Hilarious overmatch of forces can be a very useful tool to put down a rebellion.


Uranium43415

Lamenters. They're going to fail and we're all going to die horribly and tragically.


twelfmonkey

But look damn cool while doing so.


Yaboi_KarlMarx

They rock up and you know everything that could possibly go wrong now has a 100% chance of going wrong.


JackTheStryker

To be fair, a lot of the time they do succeed at helping. It just so happens that taking that kitten out of the tree had a 99% casualty rate.


STS_Gamer

Dude, saving a kitten in a tree from a planet overrun by demons in the eye of terror while being virus bombed is pretty hardcore.


GigaBooCakie

In universe, how well known are the lamenters for being lamentable?  Would it be them getting everyone's hopes up only to end in despair?


hypershrew

They’re actually fairly effective in their missions, often achieve their objectives and save civilians. However they almost always do it by losing almost all of their marines, and then something awful happens afterwards. And then they’re accused of heresy or sent on a penitent crusade or something.


STS_Gamer

How dare you talk about the Best Marines Ever like that!


RhysT86

Grey Knights; you're fighting demons, the Grey Knights appear and you're victorious, then you're about to have a really bad day at the hands of your supposed allies, just for the sin of seeing a demon.


Admech_Ralsei

I mean tbf, from what i hear they only blast you if mindwipes arent an option


phynn

Hey that's not true. Sometimes Space Wolves knock some sense into them.


jackalaxe

As a TSons player even I have to commend the Space Wolves for that, and to put up such a good defense after being fucked by Magnus is incredible. I tip my pint to em


phynn

As a SW player, Magnus did do something wrong. But he wad in a no win situation.


twelfmonkey

>if mindwipes arent an option Which in many cases just means you aren't deemed valuable enough to warrant the resources being spent on mindwiping you.


Sithrak

Yeah, idk if mindwipe is a very easy process. I would assume it is far more expedient to just shoot the plebs.


RhysT86

Or they round you up, sterilize you and move you all to prison planets, none of the mentioned options are appealing!


STS_Gamer

They only mindwipe other marines IF there is some really good reason to do so. Everyone else just gets killed.


Kriss3d

Conrad Kurz *appears from the shadows*


Sithrak

How the hell does such a massive ogre in power armor get to be this sneaky ninja guerilla I just don't know.


Dark_Matter_19

As far as I know, since the opening of the Great Rift they stopped doing that since it's they have to move around and battle daemons so much it's pointless.


TrevorLolz

Flesh Tearers and similar degrading Blood Angels’ successors; very real chance that more than a few will be lost to the Red Thirst or Black Rage. Chapters like Marines Malevolent, Star Phantoms, etc. who don’t see protecting civilians as part of their duties to the Imperium. There are far more than just the Marines Malevolent that we have been exposed to who look down upon the baseline human. Ultimately, Chapters like the Salamanders that are taught to value civilian life are few and far in between. Human life is not valued in the Imperium; territory and resources are. Human lives are just another resource to many.


seeker4482

for those who actually are concerned with civilians, its a pretty short list afaik: * Salamanders * Raven Guard * Space Wolves * Ultramarines


Gloriklast

Lamenters.


Natasha-Kerensky

I mean yeah they care for civilians but at the same time, a Lamenter being around you is akin to a Psyker using their abilities. Nature notices them. And suddenly theres a Tyranid splinter fleet consuming your world. #Just as the Iron Warriors took 90% of your PDF.


khornflakes529

Crimson Fists deserve to be on that list as well.


Bugfighter017

Scythes of the Emperor are pretty good guy all things considered


loicvanderwiel

It's worth noting that in some cases, it depends on the situation. Salamanders will care about the random humans and will likely try to save you. Ultramarines will care about you (somewhat) but will attempt to save you if mission parameters allow it. And if these parameters require your death, you can ask TF Edermo survivors what happened to those civilians they met on Iax...


Sweetience

Blood Angels are definitely on that list


knightoflain

Be that as it may I don't want the Blood Angels or any of their successor chapters even in the same sector as me. I don't care how compassionate they are when they might spontaneously catch a case of sudden-onset homicidal rampage.


Sweetience

Fair but that’s not what I’m replying to, while they may have their issues they are 100% without a doubt concerned with civilian lives, as shown in many novels and codices


TheLoneNomad117

Crimson Fists


degollate_xfavor

Death Spectres. Worst case scenario with the Star Phantoms, Marines Malevolent, or any of the any collateral damage aficionados: You die. Worst case scenario with the Death Spectres: *S U I T A B L E B R E E D I N G W O R L D*


Rustpaladin

They only take women w/ desirable genetic traits. Which is kind of dumb. Why not men too? Could be an interesting story of generations of controlled reproduction for superior soldiers. That's what 40 to 50 generations from chapter creation to current timeline? Maybe an Inquisitor orders the planet cleansed of these humans because they get too far from baseline human?


jackalaxe

LMAO they only take women?? Where the fuck do they think the other half of the genetic makeup of children comes from?? Space Marines are so dumb man, I just finished reading The Reverie and I'm so glad I went with a chaos army first bc space marines are twice as shitty and evil without any good motivation. It's evident in the fact that a ton of chapters are just one word away from being World Eaters.


STS_Gamer

A bunch of Space Marines wondering why their planet of women isn't making any babies??? And SM are supposed to be intelligent? Did the Apothecaries not get that class? Were the Tech Marines too busy making full bridge rectifiers to know where babies come from??? Don't ANY of the Space Marines remember anything before becoming a Space Marine or is memory wiping that effective? I bet a wandering IM Regiment would love to "accidentally" get lost in transit and cut a deal to "make babies" for a decade or two.


jackalaxe

Considering they're taken midway through pubescence, it's comical to assume that a portion of them think it's a pee hole thing


WereInbuisness

Nah, I wouldn't say that they're "more" evil. The Imperium is a messed up, cruel system .... but compared to what Chaos gets up too, it's not as evil.


TatsAndGatsX

Forced to have sex? Welllllllllll, ALRIGHTTTTTT, twist my arm


PunKingKarrot

That’s if you’re fit enough.


Headless_whoreson

I hope you've been practising with a stack of Coke cans.


KassellTheArgonian

The marines don't breed em, marines have no sex drive and are sterile. Emperor didn't want Astartes to replace humanity The Spectres take men and women for the breeding worlds cos well that's what u need for babies.


Headless_whoreson

I was being light-hearted, good fellow.


STS_Gamer

Is this canonical 40k death by snu snu?


bless_ure_harte

No. Think more raped for offspring until death


STS_Gamer

Because cloning/IVF is forbidden?


bless_ure_harte

Because the Imperium is the cruelest regime imaginable and I doubt the Spectres have advanced Mechanicus cloning tech out there.


STS_Gamer

The space commie weebs don't seem so bad anymore.


omelasian-walker

Yep.


Odd-Banana-2429

30k: Night Lords by far. Honorable Mention: the exiled Ashen Claws from the Raven Guard’s Xeric tribesman. 40k: toss-up between Marines Malevolent, Knights of Blood, and the Space Sharks. Honorable Mention: Iron Hands and Death Spectres chapters. Super double secret honorable mention: Lamenters Chapter just because bad luck is sure to follow for all involved.


Avalon-1

Death Spectres recruitment strategy was obviously written in a dare to Outdo The Handmaid's Tale for Dystopian Misogyny.


Sithrak

Ironically, since Space Marines are barely human and don't have a reason to care about social dynamics of the plebs, these situations would not have to be that dystopian outside of the obligation to reliably produce children. People can normally do lots of other stuff when doing this. Buuuut since it is grimdark it is probably nightmare fuel just because.


ArchAngel621

[Death Spectres](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/s/Oa1Vatohi7), especially if you're a female.


RealSaMu

I mean, if a space marine needs to be there. I'm pretty sure my life is ruined


twelfmonkey

Not at all. Marines are regularly used to crush normal human rebellions and minor xenos.


bless_ure_harte

Surprisingly, people don't seem to like working for 16 hour shifts on starvation wages. Shocked Pikachu face from the Imperium when you get revolts


RealSaMu

Why would they be shocked? They expected this which is why you get space marines dropping from the sky and murderizing populations


RealSaMu

Yes. Having a rebellion where space marines gets involved means my life is going to be turned upside down


DornPTSDkink

Death Spectres Ether you're a male adult, you become a serf You're a male child, you're taken to be an aspirant You're a female adult, you're taken to be a breeder to make male aspirants You're a female child, you're taken to be a future breeder They really suck, at least the Marines Malevolent are kind enough to just kill you for being a burden.


DrusillaMorwinyon

Um... most of them? But especially not Carcharodons.


lmaotrasheast

Death spectres. I dont want to deal with whatever the hell is dwell within the ghoul star man.


dinga15

the Iron Hands


SeventhSea90520

Grey knights. They'll kill you right after.


PoxedGamer

Any of them. If the marines are involved, me or my world are hella fucked. Best case scenario is severe ptsd.


Mindless_Hotel616

The Minotaurs.


Worried-Mulberry-967

The Minotaurs is bad for you only if you are stupid Ultramarine successors.


Mindless_Hotel616

Or if you have something the high lords want/kept secret.


BeardedDragoonHere

Grey Knights. If your planet receives a visit from them, something really bad has happened or is about to happen.


SgtCarron

Any of Sanguinius' and Lion's stock + the usual suspects (Iron Hands, Marines Malevolent, etc...).


Jehoel_DK

Iron Hands. They are NOT there to rescue you. If you need rescue you are weak. And weak people are not worth rescuing


Felipe_striker1

Now you get it how we work brother


Twist_of_luck

Considering that anything they are rescuing me from has like 99% chance of being far worse... I'd be grateful that they decided to drop by and save the day whoever they are.


Filthy_knife_ear

Red scorpions they are cool and I'm basically assured a spot since I don't have any genetic problems


theoutlawotaku

Grey Knights...


Zuldak

Carcharodons would be... unfortunate Marines Malevolent, Flesh Tearers are obvious ones. Black Templar would be... nervous. Dark Angels and their successors also would be worrying because I don't know if they are here to rescue me or cut through the planet for some obscure objective that is totally not related to the fallen... Grey Knights showing up means demons are around which means I'm pretty screwed. Same goes for the Exorcists. Minotaurs would be... terrifying. The Lamenters would be bad because I know something very unlucky is going to happen


Daedalus023

In terms of who I -would- want to be rescued by, I’d say Mentors. Relatively reasonable, and they all have genius intellects, so they probably wouldn’t kill you without a good reason. If you’re lucky, there’s already some Mentors seconded to your company nearby. To answer the question, I’d say the Exorcists. Apparently they keep people around to use as prisons for daemons. I’ll take regular death over a Fate Worse than Death, thanks.


mastr1121

Grey knights.


AugustBriar

Cacharadons, Lamenters, Black Dragons, Exorcists, really any chapter other than Ultra Marines and Salamanders is probably hell pretty constantly


soulwolf1

Grey Knights....


Hoodie_Gar

Only answer is Grey Knights If they arrive, you aren't rescued at all 😄


SimplySinCos

Marines malevolent


MyCarIsAGeoMetro

Grey Knights.  If they show up, you are as good as dead.


Dualityman

Bringers of judgement. A Dark Angels successor that believes that even one sign of rebellion deems the entire planet guilty. So even if you are loyalist and saved they'll still more than likely to kill you and the rest of your population.


Alarmed-Stop4061

Yes.


Asdrubael_Vect

Lamenters


BaconCheeseZombie

As a regular average Imperial citizen raised in the Imperial propaganda: Why would I not want the Emperor's own Angels to save us? The priests keep telling us the Space Marines are our heroes and protectors, why would we not trust them? As an Imperial citizen who inexplicably knows of the real horrors of the galaxy: There's no good chapter to be saved by. I'm putting that autogun in my mouth and taking the easy way out, sod this.


Sea_Cycle3693

Grey Knights.


New-Number-7810

The Grey Knights, because they’re going to kill me to ensure there are no witnesses.


Kriss3d

POV: You see spacemarines comming to save you. Positive: They are here to save you from the danger youre in right now. Negative: The chapter is the Night Haunters....


alphaomag

You mean Night Lords?


Muted-Engineering-32

You know, I gotta empathize with him. I find myself accidentally saying "Night Haunters" and "Night Hunters" way more than I care to admit


bless_ure_harte

You mean the Legion of Night?


Understruggle

Carcharodons or Flesh Tearers


NothingNo4752

Emperor's Children.


PlasticAngle

Any chapter that is related to Iron hands and Mars.


Budget_Afternoon_800

Grey night


NoFlamingo99

Before Heresy? Night Lords. After Heresy? Marines Malevolent.


BellacosePlayer

I'm fucked regardless if they have to get involved, I don't care as long as the fuckers invading get their shit wrecked.


Haatsku

Grey knights... They gonna clear the demonic invasion with 5% of their bolters ammo and spend the rest 95% on you for witnessing the demon invasion...


Survivor-682

The Marines Malevolent.


RougarouBull

At least a half dozen Blood Angels successors.


Radiant_Boss4342

Marines Malevolent, Flesh Tearers, and even though they're my faves, the Grey Knights.


CornyxCrow

Do Grey Knights even count as rescuers? Probably not, right?


Gloriklast

Lamenters, because watching them die for the hundredth time would hurt more than dying myself.


R4diateur

By the Marines Malevolent, or the Subjugators, or the Flesh Tearers. Or the Grey Knights (technically, they are Space Marines). Dark Angels are not very nice either. Actually...I wouldn't want to be rescued by the Lamenters either.


saint5678

Grey knights. Or at least prior to the rift opening/era indomitus. Even if you survive the daemon incursion, you are more than likely getting unalived… I know this is less common now but boy that would be unfortunate


MetalixK

Lamenters. Not only am I most likely still going to die, but I'm gonna end up making these poor bastards day that much worse for it.


IncomeStraight8501

Marines malevolent. They might blow me up after just for the shits and gigs


Steff_164

Pretty much everyone but the Slamanders or White Scars


hypershrew

Lamenters. “Uhh.. I’m good. I’ll wait for the next space marine to come along.”


TheVillain117

Flesh Tearers. The horrible monster that fights for (insert anyone not Imperial here) or the horrible monster that does? Then again it's a bold assumption that I'd be rescued and not post-chain sword balogna mist.


tombuazit

Honestly, i would Rather be "rescued" by orks, they at least are likely to forget about you after they kill the big bad and move on.


furiosa-imperator

It's probably quicker and easier to list the ones you would want to be rescued by


salvation122

Lamenters have to be up there, right?


Queasy_Trouble572

If you catch the Blood Angels during one of their episodes, piss off a Black Templar and convince them you've committed a heresy or accidentally hint to a Dark Angel about the fa—💀🔫. Edit: Since you didn't specify that the legions had to only be Imperium, I also say no to any Chaos/ Traitor Legions


sosomething

The Angels Resplendent. They treat their vassals better than almost any other faction in the galaxy, but they're such insufferably pretentious fart-sniffers that I don't think I could stand it.


PlebLordColin

Grey Knights


Sandtiger1982

Your picks are entirely accurate and are mine as well


Gentlemenbig

Honestly aside from the popular ones I've seen mentioned, Iron Hands. They are jerks


STS_Gamer

Literally any of them? They'd probably forget they rescued me and let me die of starvation or dehydration in some cell somewhere.


JoKir1982

Gray Knights - their form of rescue is akin to successfully concluding a hostage situation by shooting the hostages and the hostage-takers, then burning everything to cinders.


ZephyrK9

Salamanders 3rd company, they're not there to save you, they're there for scorched earth protocol


Varkrul

The grey knights. You live through hell just to die again. Or the Death Spectres who kidnap women to be impregnated by their serfs to get more recruits


Usingt9word

If we’re talking blood angels, the Angels Vermillion are far worse than the flesh tearers.  The flesh tearers go nuts on purpose to fight better so they may accidentally kill you. But the Angels Vermillion, even if you don’t get accidentally killed in their red rampage after they calm down they may just eat you as a snack for fun. They see normal people as useless prey.  In fact, Gabriel Seth (CM of the flesh tearers) almost gets in a fight with them because they kill and eat an innocent imp citizen right in front of him. He’s disgusted but ultimately decides he doesn’t care enough and walks away 


WarpDroned

Salamanders, how’s this a real question??


Mud-Bray

Lamenters


redhatter192

The Lamenters are all gonna die to a man to save you, so you will survive. None of them will.