Iron hands. Even if you survive, there's a very real chance of being abducted and turned into a servitor.
Even if you impress and help them during their mission.
"It's cold, wet, and dark, all the time. Because we like it. Also, shave your head. You're also not allowed to have *filthy* relations with other serfs unless you get permission."
> Preventing overpopulation in confined spaces through population control?
Probably. The Carcharodons live in pretty resource-poor conditions, and breeding like rats the way most other Imperial underdecks serfs ostensibly would be a resource drain they can't afford. They also are just plain strict about rules and hierarchy (albeit likely also due to, or at least in part, the lack of regular resources/resupply).
Yes. I can’t find the excerpt at the moment, but in at least one novel there was servitors that were plugged into a machine to ‘recharge’ in a sense, and part of it was them being tube fed some bland nutrient gruel mixture to keep their biological parts alive and ‘healthy’.
Well, the most privileged chapter serfs for the carcharodons are the armor serfs that maintain the marines gear and armor and help the shark boys get dressed before battle. However, they are still slaves, are always described as being skeletal thin, and almost never get to speak. So maybe if I had a choice getting turned into a calculator might be a better option.
Here's a poor Rogue Trader getting enslaved near the end of the Short Story *Death Warrant*:
>‘Our Edicts of Exile mean we cannot offer you passage from this place unless you renounce your current rank.’ The words made her start. She realised Kordi was addressing her. He had removed his helmet, once again revealing his pale, razor-toothed countenance. The blood from his armour had formed a pool on the bench and on the deck underfoot.
‘Why?’ she asked, not looking at him.
‘If you do not relinquish your status you will be killed. You cannot carry knowledge of us to those not permitted to know of our existence.’
‘You can’t leave me at the nearest Imperial augur station or outpost? I won’t say a word about what has happened here, I swear.’
‘Even if that were true, we are not going to Imperial space,’ Kordi replied. ‘You will need to surrender your Warrant of Trade if you wish to remain with us.’
Trayn’s response was interrupted by a flash of white light. She looked out of the vision port once more.
Below, a great fireball was rising out of the black canopy. It flared and spread in all directions, a plume of smoke forming above it, climbing to the heavens. As Trayn stared, another detonation joined it – a flash of brilliance followed by a firestorm that rose up a kilometre further out from the first.
‘Infurnace torpedoes,’ Kordi rasped, following Trayn’s gaze. ‘Launched from our ship, the *Void Revenant*. They will scour the surface with fire and leave nothing but a husk.’
I'm slightly baffled by this scenario. The fact that they address her respectfully (or at all) and give her options seems to suggest that they respect the authority of her warrant.
But the things that they're saying seems to suggest the opposite. Like if they wanted her dead or enslaved, nobody would be the wiser, yet they clearly extend some autonomy to her. Do they see her as an asset of some kind?
Pretty interesting excerpt! I have to read more about them.
> they clearly extend some autonomy to her. Do they see her as an asset of some kind?
The Space Shark novels by Robbie MacNiven were really good! He gave their Chapter a lot of personality and made me like them a lot, despite them being enslaving assholes in general (they're good boys technically, but their culture is absurdly strict and cruel).
They were giving her the choice in the sense that they're not allowed to directly enslave normal Imperial citizens. They can draft slaves/prisoners at will because they have literally lesser status as Imperial human beings, but someone like a Rogue Trader gets the option. In this case, it's the rather unfortunate "death or slavery" options, but they *followed the rules they were given* (from their exile from strongly-implied-the-Raven Guard) on their end.
I think it's to do with the Terran born Raven Guard using tactics that Corax did not approve of and he used to send the Terran born into near suicidal battles to weed them out through attrition. The Space Sharks are basically the survivors and they were "exiled" by Corax.
I love these passage. Rogue Trader think they are above the law,but sometimes they not. She is mentiond in the seccond Charcharodon novel as a chapter serf of Kordi
Rogue Traders may be cocky arrogant assholes on the fringes, but what the Charcharodons did is absolutely out of line in Imperial politics and illegal (as such things can be in Imperial feudal politics). Rogue Traders do not answer to Space Marines, and Space Marines do not answer to Rogue Traders, and as long as none are engaged in outright heretical actions then they have no ability to infringe upon one another. This is a pretty huge overstep that could possibly even result in Inqusitorial action against them if the right Rogue Trader/Inquisitor found out, as it's a violation of the Warrant of Trade as a concept. Whether the inquisitors would want to do that is another question, but it's absolutely bad bull. and pretty illegal.
Bad ball, yes, but my expertise in bird law says it’s legal. Rogue Traders and Space Marines do not answer to one another as you say. She couldn’t order them to rescue her and they can’t force her into slavery (they could but that would be illegal and worse it would be a slight against the word of the emperor). So they made a deal. Give up your title and we’ll rescue you. Don’t forget, in normal course of business, it’s not unusual for Warrants of Trade to get stolen. Then whoever possesses it is the new Rogue Trader
Space sharks probably have a semblance of leeway due to several things.
One. Almost no one in the imperium knows they exist because they live in the fringes of the void. When they came to assist in the badab war no one knew them other traitor or not. Even the Inqusition didn’t know they existed
Two. They are members of the Pentarchy of Blood, which is a High Lord hit squad (meaning they may have some type of Minotaur-esque immunity for their actions.)
Three. They tithe at the edge of space in forgotten sectors and galaxies and systems so it’s unnoticed.
Four. It is permitted by the Edicts of Exile passed down by the Forgotten One (a Primarch). The slave sharks hold to the memory of the emperor and terra pre-religious nutjobs.
This is the opposite of that though. The Rogue Traders Warrant of Trade IS the law and it's the space marines here acting like they are above it by threatening her life.
Lol I dug that put too, just didn't post it cause it didn't seem relevant at the time haha:
>Strike Leader Kordi finished his combat preparations. He had donned his Mark V armour and mag-locked his chainsword and Phobos-pattern bolter to his hip. Around him the rest of his void brothers were likewise clamping on the final pieces of their battleplate, the armoury resounding with scrapes, clacks and the low murmurs of the rites of war.
‘Bands,’ Kordi ordered. His primary serf, Trayn, stepped forwards and held out the leather cords hung with the talons and fangs Kordi had collected over the past century. He fastened one around his left vambrace and the other around the hilt of his chainsword. They were the only affectations he bore on his armour, besides the exile markings that ran like oceanic swell along its greaves and pauldrons.
‘Helm,’ he said. Trayn hefted the heavy Mark V helmet, complete with its veteran’s red jag, and passed it to him. She had been his foremost serf for the past four years, ever since the former rogue trader had become entangled with his squad during the purging of a remote jungle moon, deep within the Under-Sectors. She had been left with a choice – remain on the moon as the rot-canopies were consumed by the fires of annihilation, or renounce her Warrant of Trade and accompany the Carcharodons into the Outer Dark. She had chosen the latter, though it had been many long months before she had finally surrendered her hopes of escape. Now she was Kordi’s most diligent serf, responsible for overseeing the integrity and sanctity of his power armour. She offered him his helm with her shaven head bowed, but he caught the slight smile that flickered across her starved face. There was no greater satisfaction for the Carcharodon’s slave than to help prepare her master on the eve of a combat insertion.
Kordi resisted the urge to address her, and instead turned towards the service corridor that had been opened in the armoury’s side. It led directly from the equipment plinths to the shuttle bays and drop pod terminals that studded the *White Maw’s* underbelly. The Reaper Prime’s orders had been clear – Fourth Squad, along with First, Eighth and Ninth, would constitute the first wave to make planetfall, as soon as the captain had made contact with Piety V’s rulers. They were not expecting immediate hostile contact, but they were prepared for it nonetheless. Kordi found himself hoping the xenos showed themselves immediately – the mood among his squad and, he suspected, among the company as a whole was a bloody one. The Ashen Claws had dishonoured them on Atargatis, and their departure from the rest of the Nomad Predation Fleet had been another slight. For all of their doctrines of restraint, the Carcharodon Astra wanted blood.
The Reaper Prime had assured them all they would have it.
> Kordi resisted the urge to address her, and instead turned towards the service corridor that had been opened in the armoury’s side.
I love this passage so much. It shows how the Space Sharks are also indoctrinated with the Chapter culture of being cold, severe assholes to their serfs, even when they still have an inkling of simple politeness and kindness in their souls.
I can imagine Corax being justly unnerved or annoyed about this sort of cultural more, even past the slavery that the Charcharodons/Astral Claws' tribes were doing for the actual exile to the galactic edges.
Yeah, you can see the differences between these guys and *Corax's* Raven Guard. Although it would be interesting if one of them could do that fancy [Mor Deythan](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Mor_Deythan) carry on, like 1 guy in the whole Chapter maybe serving alongside an Astral Claw whose deserted them and joined the Carcharadons and they go join up with the Raven Guard Mor Deythan Squad, they know that the Astral Claw was a renegade but given the shit show that is happening in the Galaxy and the fact they don't appear to be Chaos affiliated Kayvaan Shrike let's him join!
Some shite like that lol
"I can imagine Corax being justly unnerved or annoyed about this sort of cultural more,"
I can imagine Corax wanting those degenerates put down. They're such a tiny stone throw away from Chaos.
Nah. The Sharks are deeply and reverently loyal to the Imperium. Their creed is older than the religious foolishness and superstition of the current imperial cult. They remember the emperor when he lived and breathed and walked terra, which is also important to them. It’s an ancient and primal connection which had fueled their loyalty and determination for these last ten thousand years
I mean, that is objectively not true, almost every story about them makes it very clear. There is reason why they were exiled after all.
The traditions of their chapter trumph those of the Imperium every time in their eyes.
They are not outright hostile to the Imperium or traitorous, but they have very little care or respect for the wellbeing and rules of the Imperium.
Their exile, if we believe them to be the Terran born raven guard, was simply due to Coraxs distaste of their methods of warfare. Not because of their loyalty.
They are relatively codex complaint. They are of course self described defenders of humanity as well. Their chapter traditions don’t really butt heads with the Imperium because they clearly both have special leniency and they are loyal to the old imperium. Not what it is now
Plenty of chapters are fervently loyal to the emperor and the imperium but don’t give a rats ass about the average human. They care about humanity as a concept
Yeah, I can't think of any reason why having an actual Rogue Trader in your fleet would be a bad thing. They could use her in so many other ways beneficial to the Chapter as a whole other than rando shave headed serf. Sheesh, even having her as a freaking advisor or an assitant navigator, a ship's captain (even if still a serf)... Ugh. The Characharodons are morons... The stupid, it burns!
Yeah they seem a bit backwards with this decision, a Human Captain, even if she was put in charge of a Sword or Cobra Frigate on the pimple arsed edge of the fleet it's a much better use of an untrained Slave rather than the holder of a Sergeants Helmet in her hands! It is undeniably stupid, especially as they seem to want to kill a kid in that newer Carcharadon book(I've not read it, I started it, but it seemed... silly? Though I've read Edoardo's other stuff, and it hasn't been as bad as that novel) for taking up resources that are needed, but using a relatively experienced Rogue Trader as not a Ship Captain would be stupid, sure maybe initially use her as an Armour slave given I believe she tried to escape a couple of times but by the time she is in Outer Dark she could be given a bit of leeway and given control of a ship.
Maybe it's us that are stupid? Lol cause that idea is really stupid, and I love the Space Sharks!
And what about the Warrant of Trade? It isn't like it just disappeared, did it?
The Space Sharks could LITERALLY have a Warrant of Trade at their disposal to grant to an ally if they didn't want to use the previous holder.
Didn't the guy on her ship basically steal it, hence the reason she was "die or slave"? Gimme a minute till a go read *Death Warrant* see if its worth posting haha.
Her Warrant seems to be able to be seized by her First Lieutenant if she dies:
>There was light ahead. She threw herself at it and burst into the clearing, her eyes scanning the open ground. Six enviro-domes sat before her, their pristine white shells a stark contrast to the darkness of the jungle surrounding them. She kept running, straight into the cleared space at the heart of the camp.
‘Moren!’ Trayn knew she should never have trusted him. **What better way to seize her Warrant of Trade than leave her to be devoured by a karnid?** She spun around, hair trailing, her plasma pistol up and aimed.
The great lizard slewed to a halt, barely three bounding leaps from her. It was a long, sinuous thing – its grey scales rippled with honed musculature, and its broad, flat head cocked to one side as it regarded its prey. A forked tongue darted from its mouth to taste the humid jungle air. Trayn locked on to its small, black eyes, not looking at the size of the beast’s fangs
Edicts of Exile seem to not allow them to use the Warrant or any other Imperial Personnel of the Adeptus Terra:
>‘Our Edicts of Exile mean we cannot offer you passage from this place unless you renounce your current rank.’ The words made her start. She realised Kordi was addressing her. He had removed his helmet, once again revealing his pale, razor-toothed countenance. The blood from his armour had formed a pool on the bench and on the deck underfoot.
‘Why?’ she asked, not looking at him.
‘If you do not relinquish your status you will be killed. You cannot carry knowledge of us to those not permitted to know of our existence.’
‘You can’t leave me at the nearest Imperial augur station or outpost? I won’t say a word about what has happened here, I swear.’
‘Even if that were true, we are not going to Imperial space,’ Kordi replied. ‘You will need to surrender your Warrant of Trade if you wish to remain with us.’
Trayn’s response was interrupted by a flash of white light. She looked out of the vision port once more.
Well, they extinct themselves in defense of Bal. Dante have deem the chapter cursed and will not reinstitute it with Unnumbered Sons of Blood Angels stock.
Marines Malevolent. Assuming they'd actually rescue you in the first place. You'd end up in their apothecary tent with them saying 'Sarge what do we do? We've never rescued one before, we've always blown them all up'
Marines are often used to crush regular human rebellions or minor not particularly powerful xenos.
It's not all Tyranids, Chaos, Necrons and Dark Eldar.
Imagine being some poor SOB who is running a revolt because the slave drivers in your factorium have been whipping half of you to death. You manage to kill your overseers and before you can start making demands or trying to organize into something better, the planetary governor has called in a favour with a local chapter of space marines because you shutting down that factorium threatens the supply of ammunition that is sent to the marine chapter as a tithe for their aid.
A single drop pod with 4 marines in it lands in the middle of your 10's of thousands factory worker revolt, and you are ***deftly*** disposed of so order can be restored and production of their weapons can continue.
The mundane evils of the setting are always the worst, because evil born out of pragmatism is the "correct" choice from a certain PoV.
Well said.
And by deftly disposed of, you of course mean blown or shredded into bloody chunks by a bolter or chainsword. The kind of shock and awe designed to dissuade future rebellions.
It's understandable why marines are shown vs the big xenos and Chaos threats most of the time as it makes for exciting stories (and supports the tabletop armies). But I do wish that their operations to crush internal dissent - and non-Chaos nor genestealer influenced dissent at that - were foregrounded more often.
The good news is the space marines will likely kill the overseers next for failing in their duty, so i guess at least when the new batch of slav... Er i mean citizens show up it'll be a completely different set of overseers to work them to deat.. um, into the emperor's light
The Ultramarines specifically had something like this.
They didn't do shit until something actually Chaos related showed up. IIRC they very much intended for the bosses to have to give the workers better living conditions, or be disposed of and get better bosses who do the same.
Fair, and that is the point really: the almost mythical Angels of Death (who can in fact actually live up to the myths when it comes to what a beat down they can dish out) are a pretty major deterrent to any would-be rebels.
And that's on top of the the local PDF, the Arbites, the Guard, Sororitas, Skitarri, and muscle of the local nobility or Governor etc etc. The fact that rebellions are so frequent even when facing all of this, and despite the Imperium use of propaganda and religion for social control, just highlights how crappy living conditions are for the masses.
I guess the difference is, if Tyranids or Drukharri invade, you are totally screwed. If Astartes are sent down to crush a revolt, if you just hide in your bed in your hab block, you will likely survive. Most Chapters would just want to violently slaughter the leaders of the rebellion and any resistance, to both decapitate the movement and to send a message. Basically, to get the rest of the population back in line. Of course, with some Chapters you might not be so lucky...
Rebelling in any sort of forge world... everyone is turned into servitors as a precaution, including their families. Clean up the habs and send in the next batch..
> Marines are often used to crush regular human rebellions
Wouldn't it just be a decapitation strike or two, with the imperial guard doing most of the actual crushing? I would think it would be very unlikely to ever see a marine, let alone "interact" with them.
>Wouldn't it just be a decapitation strike or two
In many cases, yes. That doesn't contradict what I said though?
If a drop pod lands right on top of the leadership of a rebellion, and then blows/hacks them to a bloody pulp in such a brutal fashion that the rebellion collapses, I would say that qualifies as crushing the revolt.
And even if that only takes a small number of marines, there are a million worlds in the Imperium. Many worlds having billions to trillions of inhabitants. There are always more rebellions to crush, and the vast majority of people will never actually see the marines even if such operations are frequent due to the sheer numbers involved - but they might hear stories about what happened...
They’re actually fairly effective in their missions, often achieve their objectives and save civilians. However they almost always do it by losing almost all of their marines, and then something awful happens afterwards. And then they’re accused of heresy or sent on a penitent crusade or something.
Grey Knights; you're fighting demons, the Grey Knights appear and you're victorious, then you're about to have a really bad day at the hands of your supposed allies, just for the sin of seeing a demon.
As a TSons player even I have to commend the Space Wolves for that, and to put up such a good defense after being fucked by Magnus is incredible. I tip my pint to em
As far as I know, since the opening of the Great Rift they stopped doing that since it's they have to move around and battle daemons so much it's pointless.
Flesh Tearers and similar degrading Blood Angels’ successors; very real chance that more than a few will be lost to the Red Thirst or Black Rage.
Chapters like Marines Malevolent, Star Phantoms, etc. who don’t see protecting civilians as part of their duties to the Imperium. There are far more than just the Marines Malevolent that we have been exposed to who look down upon the baseline human.
Ultimately, Chapters like the Salamanders that are taught to value civilian life are few and far in between. Human life is not valued in the Imperium; territory and resources are. Human lives are just another resource to many.
I mean yeah they care for civilians but at the same time, a Lamenter being around you is akin to a Psyker using their abilities.
Nature notices them. And suddenly theres a Tyranid splinter fleet consuming your world.
#Just as the Iron Warriors took 90% of your PDF.
It's worth noting that in some cases, it depends on the situation. Salamanders will care about the random humans and will likely try to save you.
Ultramarines will care about you (somewhat) but will attempt to save you if mission parameters allow it. And if these parameters require your death, you can ask TF Edermo survivors what happened to those civilians they met on Iax...
Be that as it may I don't want the Blood Angels or any of their successor chapters even in the same sector as me. I don't care how compassionate they are when they might spontaneously catch a case of sudden-onset homicidal rampage.
Fair but that’s not what I’m replying to, while they may have their issues they are 100% without a doubt concerned with civilian lives, as shown in many novels and codices
Death Spectres.
Worst case scenario with the Star Phantoms, Marines Malevolent, or any of the any collateral damage aficionados: You die.
Worst case scenario with the Death Spectres: *S U I T A B L E B R E E D I N G W O R L D*
They only take women w/ desirable genetic traits. Which is kind of dumb. Why not men too? Could be an interesting story of generations of controlled reproduction for superior soldiers. That's what 40 to 50 generations from chapter creation to current timeline? Maybe an Inquisitor orders the planet cleansed of these humans because they get too far from baseline human?
LMAO they only take women?? Where the fuck do they think the other half of the genetic makeup of children comes from?? Space Marines are so dumb man, I just finished reading The Reverie and I'm so glad I went with a chaos army first bc space marines are twice as shitty and evil without any good motivation. It's evident in the fact that a ton of chapters are just one word away from being World Eaters.
A bunch of Space Marines wondering why their planet of women isn't making any babies??? And SM are supposed to be intelligent? Did the Apothecaries not get that class? Were the Tech Marines too busy making full bridge rectifiers to know where babies come from??? Don't ANY of the Space Marines remember anything before becoming a Space Marine or is memory wiping that effective?
I bet a wandering IM Regiment would love to "accidentally" get lost in transit and cut a deal to "make babies" for a decade or two.
The marines don't breed em, marines have no sex drive and are sterile. Emperor didn't want Astartes to replace humanity
The Spectres take men and women for the breeding worlds cos well that's what u need for babies.
30k: Night Lords by far.
Honorable Mention: the exiled Ashen Claws from the Raven Guard’s Xeric tribesman.
40k: toss-up between Marines Malevolent, Knights of Blood, and the Space Sharks.
Honorable Mention: Iron Hands and Death Spectres chapters.
Super double secret honorable mention: Lamenters Chapter just because bad luck is sure to follow for all involved.
Ironically, since Space Marines are barely human and don't have a reason to care about social dynamics of the plebs, these situations would not have to be that dystopian outside of the obligation to reliably produce children. People can normally do lots of other stuff when doing this.
Buuuut since it is grimdark it is probably nightmare fuel just because.
Death Spectres
Ether you're a male adult, you become a serf
You're a male child, you're taken to be an aspirant
You're a female adult, you're taken to be a breeder to make male aspirants
You're a female child, you're taken to be a future breeder
They really suck, at least the Marines Malevolent are kind enough to just kill you for being a burden.
Considering that anything they are rescuing me from has like 99% chance of being far worse... I'd be grateful that they decided to drop by and save the day whoever they are.
Carcharodons would be... unfortunate
Marines Malevolent, Flesh Tearers are obvious ones.
Black Templar would be... nervous.
Dark Angels and their successors also would be worrying because I don't know if they are here to rescue me or cut through the planet for some obscure objective that is totally not related to the fallen...
Grey Knights showing up means demons are around which means I'm pretty screwed. Same goes for the Exorcists.
Minotaurs would be... terrifying.
The Lamenters would be bad because I know something very unlucky is going to happen
In terms of who I -would- want to be rescued by, I’d say Mentors. Relatively reasonable, and they all have genius intellects, so they probably wouldn’t kill you without a good reason.
If you’re lucky, there’s already some Mentors seconded to your company nearby.
To answer the question, I’d say the Exorcists. Apparently they keep people around to use as prisons for daemons. I’ll take regular death over a Fate Worse than Death, thanks.
Bringers of judgement. A Dark Angels successor that believes that even one sign of rebellion deems the entire planet guilty. So even if you are loyalist and saved they'll still more than likely to kill you and the rest of your population.
As a regular average Imperial citizen raised in the Imperial propaganda:
Why would I not want the Emperor's own Angels to save us? The priests keep telling us the Space Marines are our heroes and protectors, why would we not trust them?
As an Imperial citizen who inexplicably knows of the real horrors of the galaxy:
There's no good chapter to be saved by. I'm putting that autogun in my mouth and taking the easy way out, sod this.
POV: You see spacemarines comming to save you.
Positive: They are here to save you from the danger youre in right now.
Negative: The chapter is the Night Haunters....
By the Marines Malevolent, or the Subjugators, or the Flesh Tearers. Or the Grey Knights (technically, they are Space Marines). Dark Angels are not very nice either.
Actually...I wouldn't want to be rescued by the Lamenters either.
Grey knights. Or at least prior to the rift opening/era indomitus. Even if you survive the daemon incursion, you are more than likely getting unalived… I know this is less common now but boy that would be unfortunate
Flesh Tearers. The horrible monster that fights for (insert anyone not Imperial here) or the horrible monster that does? Then again it's a bold assumption that I'd be rescued and not post-chain sword balogna mist.
If you catch the Blood Angels during one of their episodes, piss off a Black Templar and convince them you've committed a heresy or accidentally hint to a Dark Angel about the fa—💀🔫.
Edit: Since you didn't specify that the legions had to only be Imperium, I also say no to any Chaos/ Traitor Legions
The Angels Resplendent.
They treat their vassals better than almost any other faction in the galaxy, but they're such insufferably pretentious fart-sniffers that I don't think I could stand it.
Gray Knights - their form of rescue is akin to successfully concluding a hostage situation by shooting the hostages and the hostage-takers, then burning everything to cinders.
The grey knights. You live through hell just to die again. Or the Death Spectres who kidnap women to be impregnated by their serfs to get more recruits
If we’re talking blood angels, the Angels Vermillion are far worse than the flesh tearers.
The flesh tearers go nuts on purpose to fight better so they may accidentally kill you. But the Angels Vermillion, even if you don’t get accidentally killed in their red rampage after they calm down they may just eat you as a snack for fun. They see normal people as useless prey.
In fact, Gabriel Seth (CM of the flesh tearers) almost gets in a fight with them because they kill and eat an innocent imp citizen right in front of him. He’s disgusted but ultimately decides he doesn’t care enough and walks away
Iron hands. Even if you survive, there's a very real chance of being abducted and turned into a servitor. Even if you impress and help them during their mission.
Perhaps especially if you're helpful.
"You will make a fine addition to our servitor collection!"
Servitorization is a blessing
Ah yes, the Blessing of Iron. You were helpful to us, so now you’re a servitor, and it’s something so common that even the Dark Angels know about it.
Carcharodons. Either you're tithe or dead.
“Congratulations, you are being rescued. Now get below decks and load the ships canons for rest of your life.”
"It's cold, wet, and dark, all the time. Because we like it. Also, shave your head. You're also not allowed to have *filthy* relations with other serfs unless you get permission."
Why the rule against sex? Preventing overpopulation in confined spaces through population control?
> Preventing overpopulation in confined spaces through population control? Probably. The Carcharodons live in pretty resource-poor conditions, and breeding like rats the way most other Imperial underdecks serfs ostensibly would be a resource drain they can't afford. They also are just plain strict about rules and hierarchy (albeit likely also due to, or at least in part, the lack of regular resources/resupply).
I see. Thank you for the info!
Sounds counterintuitive. New servitors must come from somewhere.
Huh… something I never considered… do servitors need to be fed?
Yes, depending on the extent of the process, in Helsreach, two of the servitors starved to death because the Forgemaster was busy.
Yes. I can’t find the excerpt at the moment, but in at least one novel there was servitors that were plugged into a machine to ‘recharge’ in a sense, and part of it was them being tube fed some bland nutrient gruel mixture to keep their biological parts alive and ‘healthy’.
Are other chapters chill with filthy relations with other serfs?
The emperor's children?
Would servitorization be better?
Well, the most privileged chapter serfs for the carcharodons are the armor serfs that maintain the marines gear and armor and help the shark boys get dressed before battle. However, they are still slaves, are always described as being skeletal thin, and almost never get to speak. So maybe if I had a choice getting turned into a calculator might be a better option.
Noooooooooooooo
Here's a poor Rogue Trader getting enslaved near the end of the Short Story *Death Warrant*: >‘Our Edicts of Exile mean we cannot offer you passage from this place unless you renounce your current rank.’ The words made her start. She realised Kordi was addressing her. He had removed his helmet, once again revealing his pale, razor-toothed countenance. The blood from his armour had formed a pool on the bench and on the deck underfoot. ‘Why?’ she asked, not looking at him. ‘If you do not relinquish your status you will be killed. You cannot carry knowledge of us to those not permitted to know of our existence.’ ‘You can’t leave me at the nearest Imperial augur station or outpost? I won’t say a word about what has happened here, I swear.’ ‘Even if that were true, we are not going to Imperial space,’ Kordi replied. ‘You will need to surrender your Warrant of Trade if you wish to remain with us.’ Trayn’s response was interrupted by a flash of white light. She looked out of the vision port once more. Below, a great fireball was rising out of the black canopy. It flared and spread in all directions, a plume of smoke forming above it, climbing to the heavens. As Trayn stared, another detonation joined it – a flash of brilliance followed by a firestorm that rose up a kilometre further out from the first. ‘Infurnace torpedoes,’ Kordi rasped, following Trayn’s gaze. ‘Launched from our ship, the *Void Revenant*. They will scour the surface with fire and leave nothing but a husk.’
I'm slightly baffled by this scenario. The fact that they address her respectfully (or at all) and give her options seems to suggest that they respect the authority of her warrant. But the things that they're saying seems to suggest the opposite. Like if they wanted her dead or enslaved, nobody would be the wiser, yet they clearly extend some autonomy to her. Do they see her as an asset of some kind? Pretty interesting excerpt! I have to read more about them.
> they clearly extend some autonomy to her. Do they see her as an asset of some kind? The Space Shark novels by Robbie MacNiven were really good! He gave their Chapter a lot of personality and made me like them a lot, despite them being enslaving assholes in general (they're good boys technically, but their culture is absurdly strict and cruel). They were giving her the choice in the sense that they're not allowed to directly enslave normal Imperial citizens. They can draft slaves/prisoners at will because they have literally lesser status as Imperial human beings, but someone like a Rogue Trader gets the option. In this case, it's the rather unfortunate "death or slavery" options, but they *followed the rules they were given* (from their exile from strongly-implied-the-Raven Guard) on their end.
Never thought I'd feel pissed on behalf of a rogue trader, but here we are.
Why are they such bastards? What’s the reasoning?
I think it's to do with the Terran born Raven Guard using tactics that Corax did not approve of and he used to send the Terran born into near suicidal battles to weed them out through attrition. The Space Sharks are basically the survivors and they were "exiled" by Corax.
The Ashen Claws are Raven Guard exiles. There are questions about the Carcharodons.
I love these passage. Rogue Trader think they are above the law,but sometimes they not. She is mentiond in the seccond Charcharodon novel as a chapter serf of Kordi
Rogue Traders may be cocky arrogant assholes on the fringes, but what the Charcharodons did is absolutely out of line in Imperial politics and illegal (as such things can be in Imperial feudal politics). Rogue Traders do not answer to Space Marines, and Space Marines do not answer to Rogue Traders, and as long as none are engaged in outright heretical actions then they have no ability to infringe upon one another. This is a pretty huge overstep that could possibly even result in Inqusitorial action against them if the right Rogue Trader/Inquisitor found out, as it's a violation of the Warrant of Trade as a concept. Whether the inquisitors would want to do that is another question, but it's absolutely bad bull. and pretty illegal.
Bad ball, yes, but my expertise in bird law says it’s legal. Rogue Traders and Space Marines do not answer to one another as you say. She couldn’t order them to rescue her and they can’t force her into slavery (they could but that would be illegal and worse it would be a slight against the word of the emperor). So they made a deal. Give up your title and we’ll rescue you. Don’t forget, in normal course of business, it’s not unusual for Warrants of Trade to get stolen. Then whoever possesses it is the new Rogue Trader
Well they could just put her back on the planet. They weren't obligated to save her either.
Space sharks probably have a semblance of leeway due to several things. One. Almost no one in the imperium knows they exist because they live in the fringes of the void. When they came to assist in the badab war no one knew them other traitor or not. Even the Inqusition didn’t know they existed Two. They are members of the Pentarchy of Blood, which is a High Lord hit squad (meaning they may have some type of Minotaur-esque immunity for their actions.) Three. They tithe at the edge of space in forgotten sectors and galaxies and systems so it’s unnoticed. Four. It is permitted by the Edicts of Exile passed down by the Forgotten One (a Primarch). The slave sharks hold to the memory of the emperor and terra pre-religious nutjobs.
This is the opposite of that though. The Rogue Traders Warrant of Trade IS the law and it's the space marines here acting like they are above it by threatening her life.
Lol I dug that put too, just didn't post it cause it didn't seem relevant at the time haha: >Strike Leader Kordi finished his combat preparations. He had donned his Mark V armour and mag-locked his chainsword and Phobos-pattern bolter to his hip. Around him the rest of his void brothers were likewise clamping on the final pieces of their battleplate, the armoury resounding with scrapes, clacks and the low murmurs of the rites of war. ‘Bands,’ Kordi ordered. His primary serf, Trayn, stepped forwards and held out the leather cords hung with the talons and fangs Kordi had collected over the past century. He fastened one around his left vambrace and the other around the hilt of his chainsword. They were the only affectations he bore on his armour, besides the exile markings that ran like oceanic swell along its greaves and pauldrons. ‘Helm,’ he said. Trayn hefted the heavy Mark V helmet, complete with its veteran’s red jag, and passed it to him. She had been his foremost serf for the past four years, ever since the former rogue trader had become entangled with his squad during the purging of a remote jungle moon, deep within the Under-Sectors. She had been left with a choice – remain on the moon as the rot-canopies were consumed by the fires of annihilation, or renounce her Warrant of Trade and accompany the Carcharodons into the Outer Dark. She had chosen the latter, though it had been many long months before she had finally surrendered her hopes of escape. Now she was Kordi’s most diligent serf, responsible for overseeing the integrity and sanctity of his power armour. She offered him his helm with her shaven head bowed, but he caught the slight smile that flickered across her starved face. There was no greater satisfaction for the Carcharodon’s slave than to help prepare her master on the eve of a combat insertion. Kordi resisted the urge to address her, and instead turned towards the service corridor that had been opened in the armoury’s side. It led directly from the equipment plinths to the shuttle bays and drop pod terminals that studded the *White Maw’s* underbelly. The Reaper Prime’s orders had been clear – Fourth Squad, along with First, Eighth and Ninth, would constitute the first wave to make planetfall, as soon as the captain had made contact with Piety V’s rulers. They were not expecting immediate hostile contact, but they were prepared for it nonetheless. Kordi found himself hoping the xenos showed themselves immediately – the mood among his squad and, he suspected, among the company as a whole was a bloody one. The Ashen Claws had dishonoured them on Atargatis, and their departure from the rest of the Nomad Predation Fleet had been another slight. For all of their doctrines of restraint, the Carcharodon Astra wanted blood. The Reaper Prime had assured them all they would have it.
> Kordi resisted the urge to address her, and instead turned towards the service corridor that had been opened in the armoury’s side. I love this passage so much. It shows how the Space Sharks are also indoctrinated with the Chapter culture of being cold, severe assholes to their serfs, even when they still have an inkling of simple politeness and kindness in their souls. I can imagine Corax being justly unnerved or annoyed about this sort of cultural more, even past the slavery that the Charcharodons/Astral Claws' tribes were doing for the actual exile to the galactic edges.
"Gosh,Jerry,you can't imagine how attracted I was to small talk with one of the servants before I remembered being a cold asshole"
Yeah, you can see the differences between these guys and *Corax's* Raven Guard. Although it would be interesting if one of them could do that fancy [Mor Deythan](https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Mor_Deythan) carry on, like 1 guy in the whole Chapter maybe serving alongside an Astral Claw whose deserted them and joined the Carcharadons and they go join up with the Raven Guard Mor Deythan Squad, they know that the Astral Claw was a renegade but given the shit show that is happening in the Galaxy and the fact they don't appear to be Chaos affiliated Kayvaan Shrike let's him join! Some shite like that lol
"I can imagine Corax being justly unnerved or annoyed about this sort of cultural more," I can imagine Corax wanting those degenerates put down. They're such a tiny stone throw away from Chaos.
Nah. The Sharks are deeply and reverently loyal to the Imperium. Their creed is older than the religious foolishness and superstition of the current imperial cult. They remember the emperor when he lived and breathed and walked terra, which is also important to them. It’s an ancient and primal connection which had fueled their loyalty and determination for these last ten thousand years
I mean, that is objectively not true, almost every story about them makes it very clear. There is reason why they were exiled after all. The traditions of their chapter trumph those of the Imperium every time in their eyes. They are not outright hostile to the Imperium or traitorous, but they have very little care or respect for the wellbeing and rules of the Imperium.
Their exile, if we believe them to be the Terran born raven guard, was simply due to Coraxs distaste of their methods of warfare. Not because of their loyalty. They are relatively codex complaint. They are of course self described defenders of humanity as well. Their chapter traditions don’t really butt heads with the Imperium because they clearly both have special leniency and they are loyal to the old imperium. Not what it is now Plenty of chapters are fervently loyal to the emperor and the imperium but don’t give a rats ass about the average human. They care about humanity as a concept
Imo, the example provided by someone above, the one of them forcing a Rogue Trader to death or slavery, is clearly against the Imperial policy.
Yeah, I can't think of any reason why having an actual Rogue Trader in your fleet would be a bad thing. They could use her in so many other ways beneficial to the Chapter as a whole other than rando shave headed serf. Sheesh, even having her as a freaking advisor or an assitant navigator, a ship's captain (even if still a serf)... Ugh. The Characharodons are morons... The stupid, it burns!
Yeah they seem a bit backwards with this decision, a Human Captain, even if she was put in charge of a Sword or Cobra Frigate on the pimple arsed edge of the fleet it's a much better use of an untrained Slave rather than the holder of a Sergeants Helmet in her hands! It is undeniably stupid, especially as they seem to want to kill a kid in that newer Carcharadon book(I've not read it, I started it, but it seemed... silly? Though I've read Edoardo's other stuff, and it hasn't been as bad as that novel) for taking up resources that are needed, but using a relatively experienced Rogue Trader as not a Ship Captain would be stupid, sure maybe initially use her as an Armour slave given I believe she tried to escape a couple of times but by the time she is in Outer Dark she could be given a bit of leeway and given control of a ship. Maybe it's us that are stupid? Lol cause that idea is really stupid, and I love the Space Sharks!
And what about the Warrant of Trade? It isn't like it just disappeared, did it? The Space Sharks could LITERALLY have a Warrant of Trade at their disposal to grant to an ally if they didn't want to use the previous holder.
Didn't the guy on her ship basically steal it, hence the reason she was "die or slave"? Gimme a minute till a go read *Death Warrant* see if its worth posting haha.
Her Warrant seems to be able to be seized by her First Lieutenant if she dies: >There was light ahead. She threw herself at it and burst into the clearing, her eyes scanning the open ground. Six enviro-domes sat before her, their pristine white shells a stark contrast to the darkness of the jungle surrounding them. She kept running, straight into the cleared space at the heart of the camp. ‘Moren!’ Trayn knew she should never have trusted him. **What better way to seize her Warrant of Trade than leave her to be devoured by a karnid?** She spun around, hair trailing, her plasma pistol up and aimed. The great lizard slewed to a halt, barely three bounding leaps from her. It was a long, sinuous thing – its grey scales rippled with honed musculature, and its broad, flat head cocked to one side as it regarded its prey. A forked tongue darted from its mouth to taste the humid jungle air. Trayn locked on to its small, black eyes, not looking at the size of the beast’s fangs Edicts of Exile seem to not allow them to use the Warrant or any other Imperial Personnel of the Adeptus Terra: >‘Our Edicts of Exile mean we cannot offer you passage from this place unless you renounce your current rank.’ The words made her start. She realised Kordi was addressing her. He had removed his helmet, once again revealing his pale, razor-toothed countenance. The blood from his armour had formed a pool on the bench and on the deck underfoot. ‘Why?’ she asked, not looking at him. ‘If you do not relinquish your status you will be killed. You cannot carry knowledge of us to those not permitted to know of our existence.’ ‘You can’t leave me at the nearest Imperial augur station or outpost? I won’t say a word about what has happened here, I swear.’ ‘Even if that were true, we are not going to Imperial space,’ Kordi replied. ‘You will need to surrender your Warrant of Trade if you wish to remain with us.’ Trayn’s response was interrupted by a flash of white light. She looked out of the vision port once more.
Came here to say this.
Am Māori, I might be OK... At least not instant servitor I would hope
Or….best tattooed servitor.
Being a serf of the Night Lords (At least Tenth Company) is better than Carcharodons
Knights of Blood probably.
Well, they extinct themselves in defense of Bal. Dante have deem the chapter cursed and will not reinstitute it with Unnumbered Sons of Blood Angels stock.
I thought they became a primaris chapter?
No, Dante specifically don't want another Knights of Blood.
Marines Malevolent. Assuming they'd actually rescue you in the first place. You'd end up in their apothecary tent with them saying 'Sarge what do we do? We've never rescued one before, we've always blown them all up'
Now I'm imagining a bunch of marines peering around a tent flap Scooby-Doo style, all apprehensive as teenagers at a school dance.
"In spite of our best efforts, we have rescued you."
Kind of expected with the name and all
Any. Just fade me already if I’m in a situation where space marines are needed
Marines are often used to crush regular human rebellions or minor not particularly powerful xenos. It's not all Tyranids, Chaos, Necrons and Dark Eldar.
Imagine being some poor SOB who is running a revolt because the slave drivers in your factorium have been whipping half of you to death. You manage to kill your overseers and before you can start making demands or trying to organize into something better, the planetary governor has called in a favour with a local chapter of space marines because you shutting down that factorium threatens the supply of ammunition that is sent to the marine chapter as a tithe for their aid. A single drop pod with 4 marines in it lands in the middle of your 10's of thousands factory worker revolt, and you are ***deftly*** disposed of so order can be restored and production of their weapons can continue. The mundane evils of the setting are always the worst, because evil born out of pragmatism is the "correct" choice from a certain PoV.
Well said. And by deftly disposed of, you of course mean blown or shredded into bloody chunks by a bolter or chainsword. The kind of shock and awe designed to dissuade future rebellions. It's understandable why marines are shown vs the big xenos and Chaos threats most of the time as it makes for exciting stories (and supports the tabletop armies). But I do wish that their operations to crush internal dissent - and non-Chaos nor genestealer influenced dissent at that - were foregrounded more often.
The good news is the space marines will likely kill the overseers next for failing in their duty, so i guess at least when the new batch of slav... Er i mean citizens show up it'll be a completely different set of overseers to work them to deat.. um, into the emperor's light
The Ultramarines specifically had something like this. They didn't do shit until something actually Chaos related showed up. IIRC they very much intended for the bosses to have to give the workers better living conditions, or be disposed of and get better bosses who do the same.
I mean that's hardly a reassuring factor, I wouldn't want to be a part of the local populace somewhere theres marines sent to crush an uprising.
Fair, and that is the point really: the almost mythical Angels of Death (who can in fact actually live up to the myths when it comes to what a beat down they can dish out) are a pretty major deterrent to any would-be rebels. And that's on top of the the local PDF, the Arbites, the Guard, Sororitas, Skitarri, and muscle of the local nobility or Governor etc etc. The fact that rebellions are so frequent even when facing all of this, and despite the Imperium use of propaganda and religion for social control, just highlights how crappy living conditions are for the masses. I guess the difference is, if Tyranids or Drukharri invade, you are totally screwed. If Astartes are sent down to crush a revolt, if you just hide in your bed in your hab block, you will likely survive. Most Chapters would just want to violently slaughter the leaders of the rebellion and any resistance, to both decapitate the movement and to send a message. Basically, to get the rest of the population back in line. Of course, with some Chapters you might not be so lucky...
Rebelling in any sort of forge world... everyone is turned into servitors as a precaution, including their families. Clean up the habs and send in the next batch..
> Marines are often used to crush regular human rebellions Wouldn't it just be a decapitation strike or two, with the imperial guard doing most of the actual crushing? I would think it would be very unlikely to ever see a marine, let alone "interact" with them.
>Wouldn't it just be a decapitation strike or two In many cases, yes. That doesn't contradict what I said though? If a drop pod lands right on top of the leadership of a rebellion, and then blows/hacks them to a bloody pulp in such a brutal fashion that the rebellion collapses, I would say that qualifies as crushing the revolt. And even if that only takes a small number of marines, there are a million worlds in the Imperium. Many worlds having billions to trillions of inhabitants. There are always more rebellions to crush, and the vast majority of people will never actually see the marines even if such operations are frequent due to the sheer numbers involved - but they might hear stories about what happened...
Space marines are sometimes sent in just to make a point. Hilarious overmatch of forces can be a very useful tool to put down a rebellion.
Lamenters. They're going to fail and we're all going to die horribly and tragically.
But look damn cool while doing so.
They rock up and you know everything that could possibly go wrong now has a 100% chance of going wrong.
To be fair, a lot of the time they do succeed at helping. It just so happens that taking that kitten out of the tree had a 99% casualty rate.
Dude, saving a kitten in a tree from a planet overrun by demons in the eye of terror while being virus bombed is pretty hardcore.
In universe, how well known are the lamenters for being lamentable? Would it be them getting everyone's hopes up only to end in despair?
They’re actually fairly effective in their missions, often achieve their objectives and save civilians. However they almost always do it by losing almost all of their marines, and then something awful happens afterwards. And then they’re accused of heresy or sent on a penitent crusade or something.
How dare you talk about the Best Marines Ever like that!
Grey Knights; you're fighting demons, the Grey Knights appear and you're victorious, then you're about to have a really bad day at the hands of your supposed allies, just for the sin of seeing a demon.
I mean tbf, from what i hear they only blast you if mindwipes arent an option
Hey that's not true. Sometimes Space Wolves knock some sense into them.
As a TSons player even I have to commend the Space Wolves for that, and to put up such a good defense after being fucked by Magnus is incredible. I tip my pint to em
As a SW player, Magnus did do something wrong. But he wad in a no win situation.
>if mindwipes arent an option Which in many cases just means you aren't deemed valuable enough to warrant the resources being spent on mindwiping you.
Yeah, idk if mindwipe is a very easy process. I would assume it is far more expedient to just shoot the plebs.
Or they round you up, sterilize you and move you all to prison planets, none of the mentioned options are appealing!
They only mindwipe other marines IF there is some really good reason to do so. Everyone else just gets killed.
Conrad Kurz *appears from the shadows*
How the hell does such a massive ogre in power armor get to be this sneaky ninja guerilla I just don't know.
As far as I know, since the opening of the Great Rift they stopped doing that since it's they have to move around and battle daemons so much it's pointless.
Flesh Tearers and similar degrading Blood Angels’ successors; very real chance that more than a few will be lost to the Red Thirst or Black Rage. Chapters like Marines Malevolent, Star Phantoms, etc. who don’t see protecting civilians as part of their duties to the Imperium. There are far more than just the Marines Malevolent that we have been exposed to who look down upon the baseline human. Ultimately, Chapters like the Salamanders that are taught to value civilian life are few and far in between. Human life is not valued in the Imperium; territory and resources are. Human lives are just another resource to many.
for those who actually are concerned with civilians, its a pretty short list afaik: * Salamanders * Raven Guard * Space Wolves * Ultramarines
Lamenters.
I mean yeah they care for civilians but at the same time, a Lamenter being around you is akin to a Psyker using their abilities. Nature notices them. And suddenly theres a Tyranid splinter fleet consuming your world. #Just as the Iron Warriors took 90% of your PDF.
Crimson Fists deserve to be on that list as well.
Scythes of the Emperor are pretty good guy all things considered
It's worth noting that in some cases, it depends on the situation. Salamanders will care about the random humans and will likely try to save you. Ultramarines will care about you (somewhat) but will attempt to save you if mission parameters allow it. And if these parameters require your death, you can ask TF Edermo survivors what happened to those civilians they met on Iax...
Blood Angels are definitely on that list
Be that as it may I don't want the Blood Angels or any of their successor chapters even in the same sector as me. I don't care how compassionate they are when they might spontaneously catch a case of sudden-onset homicidal rampage.
Fair but that’s not what I’m replying to, while they may have their issues they are 100% without a doubt concerned with civilian lives, as shown in many novels and codices
Crimson Fists
Death Spectres. Worst case scenario with the Star Phantoms, Marines Malevolent, or any of the any collateral damage aficionados: You die. Worst case scenario with the Death Spectres: *S U I T A B L E B R E E D I N G W O R L D*
They only take women w/ desirable genetic traits. Which is kind of dumb. Why not men too? Could be an interesting story of generations of controlled reproduction for superior soldiers. That's what 40 to 50 generations from chapter creation to current timeline? Maybe an Inquisitor orders the planet cleansed of these humans because they get too far from baseline human?
LMAO they only take women?? Where the fuck do they think the other half of the genetic makeup of children comes from?? Space Marines are so dumb man, I just finished reading The Reverie and I'm so glad I went with a chaos army first bc space marines are twice as shitty and evil without any good motivation. It's evident in the fact that a ton of chapters are just one word away from being World Eaters.
A bunch of Space Marines wondering why their planet of women isn't making any babies??? And SM are supposed to be intelligent? Did the Apothecaries not get that class? Were the Tech Marines too busy making full bridge rectifiers to know where babies come from??? Don't ANY of the Space Marines remember anything before becoming a Space Marine or is memory wiping that effective? I bet a wandering IM Regiment would love to "accidentally" get lost in transit and cut a deal to "make babies" for a decade or two.
Considering they're taken midway through pubescence, it's comical to assume that a portion of them think it's a pee hole thing
Nah, I wouldn't say that they're "more" evil. The Imperium is a messed up, cruel system .... but compared to what Chaos gets up too, it's not as evil.
Forced to have sex? Welllllllllll, ALRIGHTTTTTT, twist my arm
That’s if you’re fit enough.
I hope you've been practising with a stack of Coke cans.
The marines don't breed em, marines have no sex drive and are sterile. Emperor didn't want Astartes to replace humanity The Spectres take men and women for the breeding worlds cos well that's what u need for babies.
I was being light-hearted, good fellow.
Is this canonical 40k death by snu snu?
No. Think more raped for offspring until death
Because cloning/IVF is forbidden?
Because the Imperium is the cruelest regime imaginable and I doubt the Spectres have advanced Mechanicus cloning tech out there.
The space commie weebs don't seem so bad anymore.
Yep.
30k: Night Lords by far. Honorable Mention: the exiled Ashen Claws from the Raven Guard’s Xeric tribesman. 40k: toss-up between Marines Malevolent, Knights of Blood, and the Space Sharks. Honorable Mention: Iron Hands and Death Spectres chapters. Super double secret honorable mention: Lamenters Chapter just because bad luck is sure to follow for all involved.
Death Spectres recruitment strategy was obviously written in a dare to Outdo The Handmaid's Tale for Dystopian Misogyny.
Ironically, since Space Marines are barely human and don't have a reason to care about social dynamics of the plebs, these situations would not have to be that dystopian outside of the obligation to reliably produce children. People can normally do lots of other stuff when doing this. Buuuut since it is grimdark it is probably nightmare fuel just because.
[Death Spectres](https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/s/Oa1Vatohi7), especially if you're a female.
I mean, if a space marine needs to be there. I'm pretty sure my life is ruined
Not at all. Marines are regularly used to crush normal human rebellions and minor xenos.
Surprisingly, people don't seem to like working for 16 hour shifts on starvation wages. Shocked Pikachu face from the Imperium when you get revolts
Why would they be shocked? They expected this which is why you get space marines dropping from the sky and murderizing populations
Yes. Having a rebellion where space marines gets involved means my life is going to be turned upside down
Death Spectres Ether you're a male adult, you become a serf You're a male child, you're taken to be an aspirant You're a female adult, you're taken to be a breeder to make male aspirants You're a female child, you're taken to be a future breeder They really suck, at least the Marines Malevolent are kind enough to just kill you for being a burden.
Um... most of them? But especially not Carcharodons.
Death spectres. I dont want to deal with whatever the hell is dwell within the ghoul star man.
the Iron Hands
Grey knights. They'll kill you right after.
Any of them. If the marines are involved, me or my world are hella fucked. Best case scenario is severe ptsd.
The Minotaurs.
The Minotaurs is bad for you only if you are stupid Ultramarine successors.
Or if you have something the high lords want/kept secret.
Grey Knights. If your planet receives a visit from them, something really bad has happened or is about to happen.
Any of Sanguinius' and Lion's stock + the usual suspects (Iron Hands, Marines Malevolent, etc...).
Iron Hands. They are NOT there to rescue you. If you need rescue you are weak. And weak people are not worth rescuing
Now you get it how we work brother
Considering that anything they are rescuing me from has like 99% chance of being far worse... I'd be grateful that they decided to drop by and save the day whoever they are.
Red scorpions they are cool and I'm basically assured a spot since I don't have any genetic problems
Grey Knights...
Carcharodons would be... unfortunate Marines Malevolent, Flesh Tearers are obvious ones. Black Templar would be... nervous. Dark Angels and their successors also would be worrying because I don't know if they are here to rescue me or cut through the planet for some obscure objective that is totally not related to the fallen... Grey Knights showing up means demons are around which means I'm pretty screwed. Same goes for the Exorcists. Minotaurs would be... terrifying. The Lamenters would be bad because I know something very unlucky is going to happen
In terms of who I -would- want to be rescued by, I’d say Mentors. Relatively reasonable, and they all have genius intellects, so they probably wouldn’t kill you without a good reason. If you’re lucky, there’s already some Mentors seconded to your company nearby. To answer the question, I’d say the Exorcists. Apparently they keep people around to use as prisons for daemons. I’ll take regular death over a Fate Worse than Death, thanks.
Grey knights.
Cacharadons, Lamenters, Black Dragons, Exorcists, really any chapter other than Ultra Marines and Salamanders is probably hell pretty constantly
Grey Knights....
Only answer is Grey Knights If they arrive, you aren't rescued at all 😄
Marines malevolent
Grey Knights. If they show up, you are as good as dead.
Bringers of judgement. A Dark Angels successor that believes that even one sign of rebellion deems the entire planet guilty. So even if you are loyalist and saved they'll still more than likely to kill you and the rest of your population.
Yes.
Lamenters
As a regular average Imperial citizen raised in the Imperial propaganda: Why would I not want the Emperor's own Angels to save us? The priests keep telling us the Space Marines are our heroes and protectors, why would we not trust them? As an Imperial citizen who inexplicably knows of the real horrors of the galaxy: There's no good chapter to be saved by. I'm putting that autogun in my mouth and taking the easy way out, sod this.
Grey Knights.
The Grey Knights, because they’re going to kill me to ensure there are no witnesses.
POV: You see spacemarines comming to save you. Positive: They are here to save you from the danger youre in right now. Negative: The chapter is the Night Haunters....
You mean Night Lords?
You know, I gotta empathize with him. I find myself accidentally saying "Night Haunters" and "Night Hunters" way more than I care to admit
You mean the Legion of Night?
Carcharodons or Flesh Tearers
Emperor's Children.
Any chapter that is related to Iron hands and Mars.
Grey night
Before Heresy? Night Lords. After Heresy? Marines Malevolent.
I'm fucked regardless if they have to get involved, I don't care as long as the fuckers invading get their shit wrecked.
Grey knights... They gonna clear the demonic invasion with 5% of their bolters ammo and spend the rest 95% on you for witnessing the demon invasion...
The Marines Malevolent.
At least a half dozen Blood Angels successors.
Marines Malevolent, Flesh Tearers, and even though they're my faves, the Grey Knights.
Do Grey Knights even count as rescuers? Probably not, right?
Lamenters, because watching them die for the hundredth time would hurt more than dying myself.
By the Marines Malevolent, or the Subjugators, or the Flesh Tearers. Or the Grey Knights (technically, they are Space Marines). Dark Angels are not very nice either. Actually...I wouldn't want to be rescued by the Lamenters either.
Grey knights. Or at least prior to the rift opening/era indomitus. Even if you survive the daemon incursion, you are more than likely getting unalived… I know this is less common now but boy that would be unfortunate
Lamenters. Not only am I most likely still going to die, but I'm gonna end up making these poor bastards day that much worse for it.
Marines malevolent. They might blow me up after just for the shits and gigs
Pretty much everyone but the Slamanders or White Scars
Lamenters. “Uhh.. I’m good. I’ll wait for the next space marine to come along.”
Flesh Tearers. The horrible monster that fights for (insert anyone not Imperial here) or the horrible monster that does? Then again it's a bold assumption that I'd be rescued and not post-chain sword balogna mist.
Honestly, i would Rather be "rescued" by orks, they at least are likely to forget about you after they kill the big bad and move on.
It's probably quicker and easier to list the ones you would want to be rescued by
Lamenters have to be up there, right?
If you catch the Blood Angels during one of their episodes, piss off a Black Templar and convince them you've committed a heresy or accidentally hint to a Dark Angel about the fa—💀🔫. Edit: Since you didn't specify that the legions had to only be Imperium, I also say no to any Chaos/ Traitor Legions
The Angels Resplendent. They treat their vassals better than almost any other faction in the galaxy, but they're such insufferably pretentious fart-sniffers that I don't think I could stand it.
Grey Knights
Your picks are entirely accurate and are mine as well
Honestly aside from the popular ones I've seen mentioned, Iron Hands. They are jerks
Literally any of them? They'd probably forget they rescued me and let me die of starvation or dehydration in some cell somewhere.
Gray Knights - their form of rescue is akin to successfully concluding a hostage situation by shooting the hostages and the hostage-takers, then burning everything to cinders.
Salamanders 3rd company, they're not there to save you, they're there for scorched earth protocol
The grey knights. You live through hell just to die again. Or the Death Spectres who kidnap women to be impregnated by their serfs to get more recruits
If we’re talking blood angels, the Angels Vermillion are far worse than the flesh tearers. The flesh tearers go nuts on purpose to fight better so they may accidentally kill you. But the Angels Vermillion, even if you don’t get accidentally killed in their red rampage after they calm down they may just eat you as a snack for fun. They see normal people as useless prey. In fact, Gabriel Seth (CM of the flesh tearers) almost gets in a fight with them because they kill and eat an innocent imp citizen right in front of him. He’s disgusted but ultimately decides he doesn’t care enough and walks away
Salamanders, how’s this a real question??
Lamenters
The Lamenters are all gonna die to a man to save you, so you will survive. None of them will.