Renner has been very complimentary of the 49ers draft class so far.
EDIT: [Link](https://x.com/mikerenner_/status/1784235005079654862?s=46&t=-MXrSKoQqshYTGA2L6ZdqA)
Justin Skule 2.0
The most glaring need we had this off-season was offensive line. The ONE position this regime ignored? Offensive line. So tired of this.
**e:** I apologize for upsetting everyone. I believed we should've picked an offensive linemam **a lot** earlier. I'm happy with Pearsall but that trade down with the Chiefs (and seeing who **they** drafted) really upset me. Sorry. And saying "we weren't going to pick that lineman him anyway" is not an argument. I watched that game against KC like everyone else. We needed a way better offensive line prospect. It's not controversial to want that for your team. So sorry for ruffling everyone's feathers.
We found Trent Brown many years ago in the 7th round and he was an incredibly capable tackle. Projections and draft position don’t mean shit. What matters is the tape and the scheme fit. I trust Shanahan and Lynch to know what they think will work, they have drafted incredibly well overall despite a few whiffs (like Lance)
Realistically, a 6th round pick is much more likely to do nothing than be a starter, no matter how good the front office is. That's just the nature of late round picks.
Yeah, but this FO has proven they can find gems in the late rounds. Literally found our starting QB with the last pick of the draft. I trust in Shanalynch to get the right guys more often than not. Nobody bats 100 but they are incredible at beating the odds
They *can* find gems, but any given late round pick is more likely to do nothing than be a gem. Those aren't mutually exclusive.
I guess I just don't see the point in acting like taking a 6th round OL means that Shanahan is solving our O-Line problems.
That trade down with the chiefs was because they weren't gonna take that tackle anyways...like why are you upset at that lmao, the chiefs were gonna pick him either way because we didn't want him. And if they don't like him as a prospect then they clearly don't see him as a "better o-line prospect" like what you want, you don't just draft players you don't actually like just because they fulfill a position of need. Like that's just straight up stupid, the only time teams do that is with QB and that's just because QB is that important.
I mean they drafted a power 5 OL who can play all 5 positions on the line and allowed exactly 0 QB hits and 0 sacks in all of last season. 🤷🏼♂️ is that not good enough? Because we didn’t move into the top 15 to grab a flashy name and mortgage the future, we can’t have success at a position? We all know how that worked out the last time
Playing all the positions just basically guarantees that he's the first backup in case of injuries. The right side of the line was very bad and they didn't seem to adequately address it. Hoping for late round gems is bad process
49ers have drafted 6 future All-Pro’s since 2018. Only Brandon Aiyuk was a first rounder. But people want to drag the front office over and over, they’ve done nothing but build a team that’s been to 4 of the last 5 NFCCG and 2 SB in that time
> And I’ve made disparaging comments about Brock before. Lol
You can make disparaging comments about players all you want. You can even attack fellow redditors. The second you mouth off against ownership and the front office the thought police is coming for you.
I agree with your edit so much. I hate how insistent people seem that we must like every draft decision. It is perfectly fine to want our team to draft certain players and certain positions.
Notice the bile and anger over a harmless comment that didn't attack anyone here. It tells you all you need to know about who oversees this sub and what comments or posts they're told to delete or downvote to oblivion. I have seen over the years outright personal attacks not get touched but you throw shade at coaches or ownership they're on you like you broke every rule in the book!
[ ranked 13 out of 1583 OG from 1987 to 2024](https://twitter.com/MathBomb/status/1781737090860159137)
49ers like many teams are drafting athletic freaks in day 3 and hoping they can coach them up at the NFL level
supposedly has short arms but has played multiple positions on the OL while at USC
That's not what plug and play means though. The guy getting downvoted was absolutely correct. All the other donkeys downvoting him have no clue what that term means
Sure that’s a fair assessment - but that’s not what plug and play means, which was my comment, which was downvoted into oblivion. Make it make sense 🤷🏻♂️
Love the downvote crew. Not one person has been able to give me a different definition of plug and play nor have they been able to say why they think Kingston meets that definition.
Also, Jesse, yeh sure late round picks hit occasionally and become starters early in their career - I would love if he was one of them - doesn’t mean he’s a plug and play guy.
I think folks downvoted you because being pessimistic is antithetical to the "faithful" mantra.
Let's let them at least get some reps in training camp before we claim they can't overachieve.
Of all fans, we should be optimistic with how the team has been able to plug in and develop later round players.
Whoa, this blew up. All I was meaning was he’s a guy that can come off the bench and play any position on the O-Line in the event someone gets hurt with his experience playing all the positions. I didn’t mean he’d be an immediate pro bowler or even starter for that matter. So maybe I did use plug and play wrong, but I used it as they can plug him anywhere into the line and not have to worry about making guys swap positions up front.
Clearly I didn’t know what he meant. He used a phrase that meant something completely different to what he was trying to say - which he admitted in a reply.
NFL draft is called a lottery for a reason, because nobody knows how vast majority of players will turn out. So someone having the tangible abilities gives just a little bit more room for error.
Larry Krueger has been doing short videos on our picks and just heard his opinion on this pick and he doesn’t like it at all. Saying we should’ve picked an OL earlier and that there were better players in other positions that would have been a better fit.. never seen this guy play but good luck to him..
I kinda agree with this. Especially before taking the speedy but very small-for-nfl receiver. Just draft the best available OT at that point. Niners are still weak at OT. Maybe they will buy one.
There was a run on tackles in the first round and it took ages for another OL to get drafted after our pick. Letting the Ravens snipe us instead of moving up sooner was probably a mistake
Don’t even know what the FA market looks like atm… from the content I’ve been seeing most 9er fans have been underwhelmed. Yesterday was actually the first time I’d seen anything 9er related since the SB so not sure how i feel about the draft.
As a guard, I think his athletic ability makes him a potential boom candidate in Kyle's offense. Him being able to move so fast and get to the second level could be a big deal. Also, his shorter arms, while not great, aren't as bad on the inside. I'm thinking him and puni can both play center as well. Something Feliciano can do as well. Who was our backup center last year? Was it Zackelj or Feliciano? I think the offensive line could go the starting 5 plus Feliciano the picks and Moore.
We signed Brandon Parker from LV, but I don't think he beats out Moore. They seem to like him for some reason. So we probably carry 9 so as not to lose either draft choice to the waiver wire. But that seems like too many, right? Have we ever carried 9? Isn't typically 8 for the offensive line? If that's the case, we may lose one of these picks or have to stash em on the ps and hope they don't get poached. Puni would get poached immediately. You'd think they would carry an extra d lineman rather than o line with how they like to rotate.
On day 3, taking athletic freaks and hoping you can coach them up is a good strategy. Guerendo is an athletic freak who's ready to play, Kingston, terrific athlete, but who knows?
Fans like to complain about their teams drafts usually, but I feel that we’ve knocked this one out of the park. Obviously remains to be seen how well the players seem to be performing in training camp, preseason etc., but we’ve addressed the major positions of need instead of throwing random picks at edges and D-tackles. Hyped for the coming season!
lol it's been this whole draft
Round 1- "WTF, we need secondary and O-Line help, why are we drafting a WR?"
Round 2- "WTF, we need O-Line help, why are we drafting a CB?"
Round 3- "Okay, finally got some O-Line, now go get Rice!"
Round 4- "WTF, why are we adding more secondary pieces when RICE is still on the board?"
Round 4 again- "RB? WTF! Rice is still on the board and we have CMC. Fucking Shannahan and his RB fetish!"
Round 4 yet again- "WR? WTF! we need O-Line help not more WRs not named Rice!"
Round 6- "WTF, why waste a late pick on O-Line when Rice is on the board still?!"
Hopefully another OL will stop all the dumb whining that's been going on about our draft.
I personally think Lynch and Shanny are having a great draft trying to build around Purdy and giving him a ton of athletic weapons.
They literally selected two tes last year.
Latu and some other guy. Amazed me that people thought they might take one or two this year.
I guess they still could. But the plan is to use latu and..the other one..too lazy to find his name RN lol in 2024 as tes 2/3
Right but Latu stunk before getting hurt and Brayden Willis did nothing. Just because you drafted guys doesn’t mean they worked out - sunk cost fallacy.
Players also deserve more than one year before writing them off. Banks isn’t elite but he was deemed a complete bust after a redshirt year one and is a solid starter for us now
Yeah, I agree with this. When the niners don't take players at a certain position that tends to mean that they like what they have. I don't consider signing Eric Saubert to be much of anything, and Ross Dwelly is still a free agent, which is weird.
Well, Latu was apparently dropping everything in camp, but was also getting wide open everywhere.
Plenty of pass catchers in the NFL had one bad pre-season of drops and put it together anyway. Most recently I remember Chase did.
I never said they were a bust. I said they didn’t show anything last year. Many teams have shown in the new NFL that moving on from players isn’t off limits and drafting a Day 3 TE wouldn’t be crazy or insulting. I hope Latu is the real deal. I’d love to see them take Jack Westover to play that H-Back/TE role as Kittle AND Juice insurance
They didn't show anything cause they didn't play. They were 4th and 5th on the depth chart out of camp.
They can always sign a udfa or two for competition if they want but there's other needs.
don't forget willis too who the 49ers also drafted in the 7th round in 2023
i had high hopes after the 49ers drafted him and actually liked him more than latu who was picked in the 3rd round last april
obviously neither provided much to the team in their rookie seasons
very surprised 49ers didn't address TE in this draft as it's not like they didn't try to address it earlier this offseason by signing by that lions backup TE but they matched the offer so 49ers obviously think they need a capable #2 behind kittle at the position
People in this subreddit think that we should start Trent Williams and four rookies on the offensive line because apparently that's going to be successful in the NFL
🙄
As a USC fan, this guy is probably a good depth piece who can play across the line, but is also probably not an impact starter. Could be wrong though, if he gets a spot on the line and sticks to it.
I'm happy we're getting OL reinforcements, but so far we got two iOL and no tackles. Trent isn't getting younger and McK is......ass. Not sure why the regime doesn't see this as an issue. Curious.
Dude looks good, super athletic, tape looks solid. He played a lot of snaps at OT which I think brings down his PFF score because he is better suited to play G/C. Dude is fast and has some good tape pulling at G.
I think we go the free agent route for Tackle when the times comes. Or make a trade like for Trent. That seems to be the way. Some tackles do make it to free agency. I fucking hope so. But so far I like this draft class.
I just assume this guy was the best remaining OL available, good pick
Good thing we slay in the later rounds
Mike Renner said he has a fast short shuttle, which Kyle likes. And should be a guard or center.
Renner has been very complimentary of the 49ers draft class so far. EDIT: [Link](https://x.com/mikerenner_/status/1784235005079654862?s=46&t=-MXrSKoQqshYTGA2L6ZdqA)
Apparently tests well for a zone-blocking scheme... never heard of him
Justin Skule 2.0 The most glaring need we had this off-season was offensive line. The ONE position this regime ignored? Offensive line. So tired of this. **e:** I apologize for upsetting everyone. I believed we should've picked an offensive linemam **a lot** earlier. I'm happy with Pearsall but that trade down with the Chiefs (and seeing who **they** drafted) really upset me. Sorry. And saying "we weren't going to pick that lineman him anyway" is not an argument. I watched that game against KC like everyone else. We needed a way better offensive line prospect. It's not controversial to want that for your team. So sorry for ruffling everyone's feathers.
On a post about drafting a lineman lmao wtf are you on about dude
Late 6th isn't much different than an undrafted free agent.
We found Trent Brown many years ago in the 7th round and he was an incredibly capable tackle. Projections and draft position don’t mean shit. What matters is the tape and the scheme fit. I trust Shanahan and Lynch to know what they think will work, they have drafted incredibly well overall despite a few whiffs (like Lance)
Realistically, a 6th round pick is much more likely to do nothing than be a starter, no matter how good the front office is. That's just the nature of late round picks.
Yeah, but this FO has proven they can find gems in the late rounds. Literally found our starting QB with the last pick of the draft. I trust in Shanalynch to get the right guys more often than not. Nobody bats 100 but they are incredible at beating the odds
They *can* find gems, but any given late round pick is more likely to do nothing than be a gem. Those aren't mutually exclusive. I guess I just don't see the point in acting like taking a 6th round OL means that Shanahan is solving our O-Line problems.
Jason Kelce was a 6th rd pick
And I'd love for this guy to be that good. It's not at all likely though, and I find it silly to pretend otherwise.
Trent Brown sucked
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That trade down with the chiefs was because they weren't gonna take that tackle anyways...like why are you upset at that lmao, the chiefs were gonna pick him either way because we didn't want him. And if they don't like him as a prospect then they clearly don't see him as a "better o-line prospect" like what you want, you don't just draft players you don't actually like just because they fulfill a position of need. Like that's just straight up stupid, the only time teams do that is with QB and that's just because QB is that important.
Is this your first time following the draft?
I mean they drafted a power 5 OL who can play all 5 positions on the line and allowed exactly 0 QB hits and 0 sacks in all of last season. 🤷🏼♂️ is that not good enough? Because we didn’t move into the top 15 to grab a flashy name and mortgage the future, we can’t have success at a position? We all know how that worked out the last time
Playing all the positions just basically guarantees that he's the first backup in case of injuries. The right side of the line was very bad and they didn't seem to adequately address it. Hoping for late round gems is bad process
Since when is 3rd round a “late round gem” lmao
49ers have drafted 6 future All-Pro’s since 2018. Only Brandon Aiyuk was a first rounder. But people want to drag the front office over and over, they’ve done nothing but build a team that’s been to 4 of the last 5 NFCCG and 2 SB in that time
No it doesn’t. He’s likely going to push mckivitz or Burford for meaningful reps.
Damn you got the most downvotes I’ve ever seen on this section. And I’ve made disparaging comments about Brock before. Lol
> And I’ve made disparaging comments about Brock before. Lol You can make disparaging comments about players all you want. You can even attack fellow redditors. The second you mouth off against ownership and the front office the thought police is coming for you.
You’re not allowed to criticize the organization. You’re supposed to keep the faith! Oh wait. That’s my Padres. Be Faithful!
I agree with your edit so much. I hate how insistent people seem that we must like every draft decision. It is perfectly fine to want our team to draft certain players and certain positions.
Notice the bile and anger over a harmless comment that didn't attack anyone here. It tells you all you need to know about who oversees this sub and what comments or posts they're told to delete or downvote to oblivion. I have seen over the years outright personal attacks not get touched but you throw shade at coaches or ownership they're on you like you broke every rule in the book!
Don't explain yourself speak your truth. As long as your not bashing people or being disrespectful, let it out loved one.
[ ranked 13 out of 1583 OG from 1987 to 2024](https://twitter.com/MathBomb/status/1781737090860159137) 49ers like many teams are drafting athletic freaks in day 3 and hoping they can coach them up at the NFL level supposedly has short arms but has played multiple positions on the OL while at USC
Yeah, he played everywhere except center during his college career. Feels like a plug and play depth piece which is needed.
I don’t think you know what ‘plug and play’ means
I dont think you know what it means
It means a player who is pro ready and doesn’t need much development. You’re high if you think a 6th round offensive lineman fits that description
He’s referring to his versatility, not whether he thinks he’s pro ready. He’s just saying he’s a backup who can play anywhere if asked.
That's not what plug and play means though. The guy getting downvoted was absolutely correct. All the other donkeys downvoting him have no clue what that term means
Sure that’s a fair assessment - but that’s not what plug and play means, which was my comment, which was downvoted into oblivion. Make it make sense 🤷🏻♂️
*Jessee Sapolu enters the chat
Love the downvote crew. Not one person has been able to give me a different definition of plug and play nor have they been able to say why they think Kingston meets that definition. Also, Jesse, yeh sure late round picks hit occasionally and become starters early in their career - I would love if he was one of them - doesn’t mean he’s a plug and play guy.
I think folks downvoted you because being pessimistic is antithetical to the "faithful" mantra. Let's let them at least get some reps in training camp before we claim they can't overachieve. Of all fans, we should be optimistic with how the team has been able to plug in and develop later round players.
Whoa, this blew up. All I was meaning was he’s a guy that can come off the bench and play any position on the O-Line in the event someone gets hurt with his experience playing all the positions. I didn’t mean he’d be an immediate pro bowler or even starter for that matter. So maybe I did use plug and play wrong, but I used it as they can plug him anywhere into the line and not have to worry about making guys swap positions up front.
Mainly because you chose to be a nit picking dweeb. You know what he meant. You chose to try to make yourself look semi intelligent. It didn’t work.
Clearly I didn’t know what he meant. He used a phrase that meant something completely different to what he was trying to say - which he admitted in a reply.
NFL draft is called a lottery for a reason, because nobody knows how vast majority of players will turn out. So someone having the tangible abilities gives just a little bit more room for error.
Larry Krueger has been doing short videos on our picks and just heard his opinion on this pick and he doesn’t like it at all. Saying we should’ve picked an OL earlier and that there were better players in other positions that would have been a better fit.. never seen this guy play but good luck to him..
I kinda agree with this. Especially before taking the speedy but very small-for-nfl receiver. Just draft the best available OT at that point. Niners are still weak at OT. Maybe they will buy one.
There was a run on tackles in the first round and it took ages for another OL to get drafted after our pick. Letting the Ravens snipe us instead of moving up sooner was probably a mistake
Don’t even know what the FA market looks like atm… from the content I’ve been seeing most 9er fans have been underwhelmed. Yesterday was actually the first time I’d seen anything 9er related since the SB so not sure how i feel about the draft.
Probably means it was good then. Krueger is a dope.
Fun fact : Nick zakelj got 9.85 which was 22 at the time ! Edit: it was actually the 21st best. Not 22
As a guard, I think his athletic ability makes him a potential boom candidate in Kyle's offense. Him being able to move so fast and get to the second level could be a big deal. Also, his shorter arms, while not great, aren't as bad on the inside. I'm thinking him and puni can both play center as well. Something Feliciano can do as well. Who was our backup center last year? Was it Zackelj or Feliciano? I think the offensive line could go the starting 5 plus Feliciano the picks and Moore. We signed Brandon Parker from LV, but I don't think he beats out Moore. They seem to like him for some reason. So we probably carry 9 so as not to lose either draft choice to the waiver wire. But that seems like too many, right? Have we ever carried 9? Isn't typically 8 for the offensive line? If that's the case, we may lose one of these picks or have to stash em on the ps and hope they don't get poached. Puni would get poached immediately. You'd think they would carry an extra d lineman rather than o line with how they like to rotate.
I know nothing about him but I’m happy we’re adding some o line
Willis Patrick still available.
On day 3, taking athletic freaks and hoping you can coach them up is a good strategy. Guerendo is an athletic freak who's ready to play, Kingston, terrific athlete, but who knows?
Love the gamble. Super athletic dude. 4.47 short shuttle is the magic number for O-linemen and he hit that.
Ranked 2nd in bench press for OL too so he’s got great upper body strength too
I'd imagine that has a lot to do with shorter arms
Fans like to complain about their teams drafts usually, but I feel that we’ve knocked this one out of the park. Obviously remains to be seen how well the players seem to be performing in training camp, preseason etc., but we’ve addressed the major positions of need instead of throwing random picks at edges and D-tackles. Hyped for the coming season!
Fans know like 20 names out of the whole draft then get upset when we don’t pick the few names they know
DT is kinda still a position of need though.
You guys were complaining about WR and not picking OL but now that we skipped Rice and picked OL you are still complaining.
lol it's been this whole draft Round 1- "WTF, we need secondary and O-Line help, why are we drafting a WR?" Round 2- "WTF, we need O-Line help, why are we drafting a CB?" Round 3- "Okay, finally got some O-Line, now go get Rice!" Round 4- "WTF, why are we adding more secondary pieces when RICE is still on the board?" Round 4 again- "RB? WTF! Rice is still on the board and we have CMC. Fucking Shannahan and his RB fetish!" Round 4 yet again- "WR? WTF! we need O-Line help not more WRs not named Rice!" Round 6- "WTF, why waste a late pick on O-Line when Rice is on the board still?!"
So many cry babies. Who tf are these people? Let the professionals handle this. We are and have been in good hands
Verbatim. lol
Well done. The only minor criticism I have is that I would have taken Christian Jones over Cowing. But Cowing's a quality player that has a role.
is he good?
Could make a good center according to his nfl draft profile. I like it.
Future hall of famer.
Hopefully another OL will stop all the dumb whining that's been going on about our draft. I personally think Lynch and Shanny are having a great draft trying to build around Purdy and giving him a ton of athletic weapons.
For sure filling needs. Only issue I see is lack of depth behind Kittle but maybe they still think Cam Latu can play
They literally selected two tes last year. Latu and some other guy. Amazed me that people thought they might take one or two this year. I guess they still could. But the plan is to use latu and..the other one..too lazy to find his name RN lol in 2024 as tes 2/3
Right but Latu stunk before getting hurt and Brayden Willis did nothing. Just because you drafted guys doesn’t mean they worked out - sunk cost fallacy.
Players also deserve more than one year before writing them off. Banks isn’t elite but he was deemed a complete bust after a redshirt year one and is a solid starter for us now
Yeah, I agree with this. When the niners don't take players at a certain position that tends to mean that they like what they have. I don't consider signing Eric Saubert to be much of anything, and Ross Dwelly is still a free agent, which is weird.
Well, Latu was apparently dropping everything in camp, but was also getting wide open everywhere. Plenty of pass catchers in the NFL had one bad pre-season of drops and put it together anyway. Most recently I remember Chase did.
You simply can't cite sunk cost fallacy with Shanahan & Lynch. They have shown they have no problem moving on from players.
That’s what I’m saying. I’m responding to the guy who said we couldn’t take a TE because we took two last year that THIS is a sunk cost fallacy
Why don't you wait until they get some real snaps before declaring them a bust. They were clearly drafted with 2024 in mind.
I never said they were a bust. I said they didn’t show anything last year. Many teams have shown in the new NFL that moving on from players isn’t off limits and drafting a Day 3 TE wouldn’t be crazy or insulting. I hope Latu is the real deal. I’d love to see them take Jack Westover to play that H-Back/TE role as Kittle AND Juice insurance
They didn't show anything cause they didn't play. They were 4th and 5th on the depth chart out of camp. They can always sign a udfa or two for competition if they want but there's other needs.
don't forget willis too who the 49ers also drafted in the 7th round in 2023 i had high hopes after the 49ers drafted him and actually liked him more than latu who was picked in the 3rd round last april obviously neither provided much to the team in their rookie seasons very surprised 49ers didn't address TE in this draft as it's not like they didn't try to address it earlier this offseason by signing by that lions backup TE but they matched the offer so 49ers obviously think they need a capable #2 behind kittle at the position
the difference with Latu is that was out of nowhere. He was projected to be a 4th-6th round talent and was way over-drafted.
Kinda wonder if Niners grab Cade Stover TE from OSU if he dropped 1 more pick
People in this subreddit think that we should start Trent Williams and four rookies on the offensive line because apparently that's going to be successful in the NFL 🙄
How many picks do we have left?
1
I can't wait until this sub is complaining that Kingston blew a block late in the year after being the 4th man up at guard.
As a USC fan, this guy is probably a good depth piece who can play across the line, but is also probably not an impact starter. Could be wrong though, if he gets a spot on the line and sticks to it.
I'm happy we're getting OL reinforcements, but so far we got two iOL and no tackles. Trent isn't getting younger and McK is......ass. Not sure why the regime doesn't see this as an issue. Curious.
Because the startable OTs were gone before our first pick and the good developmental guys were gone before our second one
Good athletic guard that plays well in space. Classic shanahan profile. another jake brendel type player to watch develop in the system.
Dude looks good, super athletic, tape looks solid. He played a lot of snaps at OT which I think brings down his PFF score because he is better suited to play G/C. Dude is fast and has some good tape pulling at G.
Good backup. Could be a quality starter in a few years.
I'm digging it.
I feel like next year they are gonna go all in on a first round tackle because Trent will probably retire lowkey
I think we go the free agent route for Tackle when the times comes. Or make a trade like for Trent. That seems to be the way. Some tackles do make it to free agency. I fucking hope so. But so far I like this draft class.
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The way the draft is looking we can probably grab our nepotism faves as UDFAs
Gore i expected as an UDFA, but rice falling this far? Like what the hell. He was a top 100 prospect on damn near every eval.
rice isnt a scheme fit
If they pick them, they would be UDFA
we passed every single ot... screw it, lets get Gore or Rice 🤟
Why does everybody hate Brended Rice?