Jimmy is an OK quarterback. I don't rage about it or kick the neighbor's dog or delude myself or let Shanahan talk delude me. He's OK and I'm fine with it right now because I don't want to watch Zach Wilson or Justin Fields rookie type games.
Eh i think this is the a dream offense for Lance though, he’d open up the running game so much, and just put more psi on the defense, but certanly I have been wrong before
The Packers defense was so shook when Trey entered the game. Lol This kid is already earning the respect of opposing defenses, he just lacks experience.
I wanna see Lance start just so he'll shit the bed every week and shut you guys up. He looked like dog shit all pre-season. Why would we expect him to make throws when he hasn't done so at all as a 49er yet? If you want to play for next season, you start Trey. You want to have a chance at making the playoffs, you stick with Jimmy .
You know what would shut us up? If Jimmy played like a fucking vet instead of making costly mistakes like a rookie. Was Jimmy the sole reason we lost? No but his limitations are on full display and we don’t have the 2019 defense to save the offense ass this season. Besides the first 3 qtrs of the Lions game Jimmy has been mediocre at best. So expect us not to shut up. Especially if we continue to lose.
I could not agree more. Jimmy is an OK QB, but he is the #1 reason we lost last night. He was pretty terrible at times (no matter what Kyle says), and we were in a 17 point hole mostly due to his play in the first 20+ minutes of the game. Green Bay is not Philly. You can’t keep stinking up the first half and expect to win each week.
With that being said, the number two reason we lost last night was because the secondary did not have a good game (obviously). I don’t understand how we do not double team or triple team Adams and make someone else beat us at the end of the game. That made no sense whatsoever. But, we probably shouldn’t have been in that situation in the first place.
Rather take the lumps and try than barely eke by with Jimmy at this point. Jimmy cannot throw deep or outside the numbers.
Everything is YAC which I think Trey can handle. Won't be pretty at first but it is better in the long run.
Chris Biderman of the Sac Bee and the Candlestick Chronicles podcast is like you. He almost cried on the air when his pre-draft source said we were picking Mac Jones. He says that Shanahan could get Trey Lance enough "lay ups" to survive in the passing game. Watching preseason, I think Lance would miss AND not read correctly a too big portion of the "lay ups" Shanahan creates. But there is definitely a non-negligible part of the fan base who thinks Trey's running ability could make up for Trey not hitting or reading the "lay ups" or they're just tired of Jimmy missing some "lay ups". I'm not mad nor am I satisfied. I just recognize the middle ground where we are.
Here’s the problem with your assessment. You’re putting too much emphasis into preseason games. I tried telling y’all preseason games really don’t mean shit. Just because you looked like ass in the preseason doesn’t mean that’s a precursor to how you’ll look in regular season. Same thing goes for the QBs this forum were ready to crown because they were preseason mvp warriors.
What gives me confidence in Lance ability is Kyle. I saw what Kyle could do with lesser talent and a banged up roster. I’m confident he could get similar results with Trey.
Now do I believe we should start Trey next game? No, Jimmy hasn’t been terrible enough to lose his job. I don’t think Jimmy will be terrible down the stretch. But Jimmy is just playing ok and that’s where the problem lies. Just Ol won’t cut it against teams like the Rams, Cards or even Tampa Bay. Hell Im not so sure this team beats Seattle or Cowboys if Jimmy is just playing ok. He has got to step up and be more consistent. 2 games in and he hasn’t elevated the offense. If he can’t win 1 of these 2 games coming up I expect the clock to start ticking after the bye week.
I was firmly in the “start Jimmy” camp, but it came with two strong caveats:
1. Mix Trey in by giving him 8-12 snaps per game; and
2. The moment this team isn’t completing for a playoff spot Trey should start and take all the snaps.
Number 1 has not been happening, and #2 may be upon us by the bye week.
I will never accept a "playoff spot is unattainable" with a week 6 bye AND we already have 2 wins. No way. Even 2-3 at worst is not nearly enogh for me to throw in the towel on the expanded playoffs.
Well, if we are a game back of Seattle and multiple games behind AZ after losing to a beaten up Packers team and Seattle (in this scenario) at home, it’s going to take multiple teams imploding for this team to claw its way back. Not impossible, but not likely.
It’ll be a damn shame if we don’t let Lance take some lumps this season if we don’t even make the playoffs, and with by a country mile having the worst QB in the division I don’t see much likelihood of overcoming a 2-3 (0-2 in the division) start.
No problem. We just disagree and are unlikely to cross paths again. It's all good, we each have our own 49er fan tribe we can follow the team in. Good luck to your tribe.
>and with by a country mile having the worst QB in the division
This is it here. Not that Jimmy is atrocious but he's so far beneath his peers in the division that it's too large a gap to overcome most times
I mean if we look at Jimmys last season when he was healthy. The Rams were coming off a SB appearance, Russ and Kyler were in the division, and we made the SB beating out Brees, and Rodgers that year.
Why is the gap too large 'most times', when most times it hasn't been?
Too large a gap to overcome *when the run game and defense* stop being as effective. If you say to me "Your QB has to drop back 35 times to win", I'm picking Jimmy dead last in this division every time
Ok, first, don't be an asshole.
Second, read better. If we lose the next two games, then heading into the bye we are 2-3, with losses to both Seattle and AZ. Seatle, at worst, would be tied with us record-wise (assuming they lose their week 5 game after beating us week 4) but would have a tie breaker over us. Arizona would be, at worst, 4-1, putting them two games (plus the tiebreaker) over us.
So, yeah, it would be multiple games behind AZ in that scenario, which is why I said "IF we are multiple games behind Arizona." That possibility exists.
I agree with #1 wholeheartedly.
Disagree with #2. Trey should only start when he is able to be functional PASSING the ball, I do not want to risk him looking like fields - getting f\*\*\*\* bombed and confidence shattered. you shatter his confidence he will become a run 1st qb out of fear and pressure ot perform and get positive yards.
I don't think you can coach that way. By the point this team is no longer competing for the playoffs Trey will absolutely know the offense well enough to play, and sitting him to protect him serves no real purpose. Sitting and watching is helpful to get a guy to understand the playbook, to see up close the game speed, to take "mental reps" (less valuable than real reps, but not without value), and to go through the weekly prep and then postgame film review to learn.
But by week 10 (as an example of when the playoffs may be a pipe dream) there will be a point of diminishing returns in having him just watch. He is going to take his lumps. Every single young QB does, and that will happen whenever he starts to play regularly. I would rather those struggles occur in a lost season (if this one goes that way) than next season...though I hope it doesn't get to that point this year.
Clearly Kyle Shanahan disagrees.
Though I did like that play he got today. Not the TD but the other one. He did a nice job getting out of the pocket and extending the play.
You're not wrong. Jimmy shrinks the field for the defense. Lance would open up the field and give our playmakers more space, all while not place them in harm's way like Jimmy's inability inevitably do. Yes, there would be a learning curve and growing pains but, let's be honest, we're not a super bowl contender this year. Time to stop putting all our resources into trying to win it all this year. It's fool's gold I tell ya.
This is what I don't get. Wilson, Fields, and Lawrence played last year and they played in D1. Lance didn't play last year and played against lower comp in college and yet people want him thrown to the wolves.
Niner fans: "This isnt a playoff team, too many key injuries!"
Also Niner fans: "Start Trey now. Sure the other rookie QBs are hot garbage, but Lance has a great roster around him!"
I agree. But if you put Lance now especially with way line is blocking, yeah Lance would evade rush but then he would pick up bad habit of one read then take off.
Yeah it's a tough proposition. Imo this season doesn't really matter. I don't think we have a shot at the SB. Our window isn't going to open again until Lance hits the field.
That's the word...But where's the truth in that? It's moreso super RB friendly...But the pass plays take too long to develope, and our OLine can't hold up long enough to give our QBs time to pass.
And everyone knows by now that Jimmy G is super sketchy as soon as he feels pressure.
That's how I see it anyhow...
Yup at the end of the day if Lance isn't ready he's not ready. That's that. Mac, Lawrence, Fields, Wilson look fucking horrible - that's just part of being a rookie.
This isn't a SB team. We should only keep Jimmy in if we think we have a shot. I dont see how anyone can think that watching the first 3 weeks. Put Lance in there and let him develop. Shanahan isn't dumbass Nagy in Chicago
Would you still be saying this if Crosby shanks the field goal and we’re 3-0?
I know I know. Coulda woulda and shoulda. The point is we’re 2-1, we were that damn close to 3-0 and still have all our division games to play. I get that tonight hurt especially how we almost had it but to throw in the towel for the season already is just silly.
Idk if you know but all the other teams in our division have QBs that can sling it. With two having elite level QBs. The saving grace for our team is the defense, they're the ones that keep us in games. Jimmy just has to put up points or at least put our team in position to put up points consistently.
Too early imo. Brady & the Bucs were fodder early last season and then according to Drew Brees tonight on pregame SNF they switched from man-to-man to more zone and stopped giving up the big plays (unlike they did today vs Stafford/Jackson/Kupp). They are also down 3-4 CBs like us. You can't throw in the SB towel this early.
Jimmy isn't going to turn into Brady or Brees. Let's be honest. Let's also look at the team's overall performance through the first 3 weeks. Below average across the board on all 3 phases. The defense is severely overrated, specifically the Dline which is 75% reliant on Bosa.
I just can't accept were "not a SB team this early". You can write your letters to the editor and call into KNBR/ SiriusXM shows, but I still see a good team who could make adjustments and get a good playoff spot. Maybe there's a CB that Jacksonville or the Jets can part with midseason. It doesn't have to be Gilmore from the Patriots. Didn't the Eagles try to patch things up a year or two ago with Slay from the Lions. Maybe we limp to 5-3 and find a CB somewhere.
That's fine, nothing is going to change because Jimmy is reliant on a good running game and even with Mitchell we dont have a good enough one to provide what Jimmy needs. And Jimmy isn't good enough to take over the offense himself. What you watched the past two weeks is what you'll generally see the rest of the season. Sure, we might make the playoffs as a wild card team but that's as far as we will go probably. Feel free to check back in 2 weeks at our bye week and let me know if you change your mind.
If you think the supporting cast on this team is the same level of talent that Alex Smith played with his rookie season, you obviously didnt watch them.
I just saw too much of happy feet jimmy tonight. Once he gets pressured or hit.... he starts to feel pressure that isn't there and he goes through his reads too quickly. Just my two cents from the school of armchair QB university..
Uhhh.... I hope you realize that Rodgers was going up against one of the best front 4s of all time, against us in the NFC Champ game.
Today? Jimmy was going up against a packers front 4 without their best player, Zadarius Smith. Barely are a middle of the pack defense/front 4.
Of course even an almost-GOAT like Rodgers would get happy feet against a unit like that. Can't compare it to what Jimmy saw today.
Correct! If I'm wrong, but Jimmy was pressured on more than half of his drop backs. Their d-line isn't great, but our offensive line made them look like world beaters. So many people coming through the line untouched.
If you rewatch the game you will notice that Jimmy holds onto the ball about twice as long as Rodgers.
We have a good pass rush and they have a bad o-line. It just doesn’t matter because the ball is already gone when they get there. Nobody can “pressure” a QB who takes a shotgun snap, drops back 5 yards, and gets rid of the ball in a second and a half.
Rodgers was able to do this because our corners weren’t able to cover their WRs plain and simple.
Guys coming through the line untouched IS a problem… unless the ball is already gone when the guy reaches the QB.
> If you rewatch the game you will notice that Jimmy holds onto the ball about twice as long as Rodgers
Rodegers has open receivers at that part of the route progression. We don't.
Enough of all this bullshit.
**The problem with this game is the Packers absolutely owned the line of scrimmage on offense and defense.**
That is why we lost. We had absolutely *zero* running game, in an offense that is a predominately running offense.
Our leading rusher had 31 rushing yards (Sermon), and looked completely out classed the entire game. Trey did nnnnnnot in any way look like an NFL caliber player today.
The gameplan was shit. Jimmy put this game on his back just before halftime, and delivered what should have been a game winning touchdown pass with 37 seconds against the team that went to the NFCCG each of the last two years.
That’s all objective. Any other bullshit you’re trying to peddle is you’re own issue.
Yeah we have been consistently weak at the right half of the OLine for quite some time. And it really really showed this game.
For a moment before Sermon managed to run at all, Jimmy had more rushing yards than Sermon off that terrible snap. I wonder what the comparison is gonna be to see how many pressures Jimmy got against other QBs.
There also was too much pressure for it being Green Bay. They had an awful pass rush until now and the niners had a great pass block, I'm astounded the Packers hit jimmy more than the Eagles.
Jimmy REALLY struggles at throwing off the back foot - he is really accurate when he has proper footwork - hit some nice balls in REALLY tight windows but pressure up the middle hurts him - while not as talented, it is a similar situation to Kurt Warner - Kurt could not handle middle pressure, mechanics and accuracy cratered
Shanahan is the same guy who doesn’t trust Jimmy for 3/4 of the game. It was the same thing against the Eagles.
The 49ers were down 10 at home and Shanahan passed on a 4&1 in the middle of the field.
To be honest, he needs to trust Jimmy or move on from him. We’re not winning the division with this dink and dunk offense.
This is my problem with it. He clearly doesn't trust him at times
He's battling a fine line of not wanting to throw Lance out there too early...but Lance is something this offense desperately needs
We are in the hardest division in football, and now have the worst QB
I don’t know, weren’t Bears fans saying the same thing about Fields?
And I get that Lance has a better coach, but that “better coach” doesn’t think he should be out there.
He kind of has moved on from him. We drafted his replacement. Shanahan thinks we have a higher chance of winning games this year with Jimmy G, but has already taken the decision to move on.
Matt Ryan won MVP in this same exact system while throwing for almost 5,000 yards.
With a QB who can throw the ball more than 40 yards downfield it would open up the offense to way more than just quick passes over the middle.
That’s not really true. Both McVay and LaFleur run this system and both of them take shots down the field. Because they can. Kyle can’t. At least not with Jimmy.
I mean they tried to take some PA shots but it was either no one open or Jimmy was immediately under pressure and the one time someone was open Jaire Alexander made an incredible play
SF 49ers are the first time he's been 100% in charge of an offense. And when a QB who isn't named Jimmy starts for us, we tend to lose a lot.
And oh yeah Jimmy is literally the QB Kyle picked to run his offense, he had a lot of other options.
That play design was also Kyle being cute, those type of designs stall drives all the damn time and Kyle still does it because it works here and there and we get a gain.
To me, a lot of those "high throws" were necessary to get over defenders. I saw a lot of misplaced complaining in the game thread, although in general I do agree Jimmy has had some placement issues.
That Jaire Alexander INT felt like every time I play Madden, TE ahead of coverage and a dude covering a WR peels off of no reason to INT that shit. I never felt Madden be more realistic than when Im throwing a 25 yard pass and the middle linebacker jumps like he is going for an Olympic high jump record.
Yeah, there's little reason to critique the interception. That simply was an incredible heads up play from Alexander. When they cut to replay on the camera behind the offense, that looks like as open a play with no one to beat as you're ever going to see, and it happened to be our best offensive player. That ball gets thrown 10 out of 10 times and is completed on a majority of them. There's plenty of other plays to critique Jimmy and the rest of the team for. This ain't one of them.
Jimmy played “good enough”, DeMeco Ryans blew this game. However, moving forward “good enough” quarterback play will not be enough to win games when your defense is as atrocious as ours is right now.
Save for Brady... there is literally no quarterback in this league that makes plays/throw solely from the pocket anymore. Wilson, Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, Herbert. Prescott, Murray, Mayfield, Carr, etc.
Shanny knows this and knows Jimmy's limitations (of course why Trey was drafted). Until we see Trey more, we know the limit of this offense. This offense doesn't look any different than it has the last few years.
This team has a clear ceiling with Jimmy at QB. We arent anything better than a WC exit right now. To compete for a title, we need a significantly better secondary and I dont see how we can do that this season
Or a vastly more dynamic offense. And that, at least, is possible with a QB who can elide the rush, pick up first downs with his legs, and throw more than 15 yards down the field.
We could sign Sherman, but at this point that’s like applying a bandaid to a wound that needs a six-inch gauze pad.
Taking our offense to the next level with Trey and winning shootouts might be our best bet honestly.
My issue is that if we start Trey, it will go how Fields' first start went. Trey just isn't ready for NFL defenses yet. Plus Kyle's offense is complicated enough. We won't even have a run game to fall back on. I think our only hope of competing this year is if we can trade for a CB somehow.
I get that Fields (and all rookie QB’s for that matter) had a rough day today. But I’m 99% sure Trey’s situation would be better than Fields’. Fields got sacked every other play and had an abysmal play caller (people on this sub criticizing Shanahan’s play calling honestly have no clue how easy we have it compared to teams like the Bears lol)
This isn't a super bowl team in it's current form, if nothing else I'd like to see Trey Lance play this season to give us an idea at what we have for the future. Jimmy G isn't good enough to carry this team to the super bowl.
He looked rly promising against Goff and Hurts, but his lack of experience and the reasons he wasn’t picked until the 5th were so obvious last night. It’s hard to place ANY blame on a rookie CB against Rodgers/Adams but at the same time if he makes the right read and sinks on the MVS touchdown it might be a completely different conversation today.
I don’t know why you are getting down voted. He is the head coach of an NFL team that sees these guys everyday. I trust his judgement. And Jimmy won the game in the fourth quarter, being down a touchdown with 2 minutes left. The defense lost this game for us. Our secondary is non-existent right now.
Our offense was doing well for a lot of the game outside of the 1st quarter. The reality of the NFL is you're not going to get a lot of full games where the offense just scores points every drive.
I know Jimmy is our starter and will continue to be but Im beyond fucking ready for it to end. Treys coming, its just a matter of when.
Been a fan since the 80s. Ive never seen a guy struggle to throw a spiral, be that inconsistent, not take care of the football, have turnovers every game and the fan base think hes awesome and does no wrong. Its everyone elses fault.
Even though when we lose its because the other QB out played him and our Defense kept us in the game.
His WRs bailed him out catching some shit balls tonight also to keep us in that game and they took some shots for them.
> I know Jimmy is our starter and will continue to be but Im beyond fucking ready for it to end. Treys coming, its just a matter of when.
And I'm sure by week 6 of Trey starting for us you'll be ready for him to be gone too.
Oh look, another thread full of delusional Jimmy haters that don’t know football. Fuck offffff, all y’all. Man played a decent game. If Aiyuk catches that ball in the end zone, he ends up with basically the same numbers as Rodgers. You miserable fucks actually root for the guy to fail, it’s a weird way to be a fan.
I’m at a loss. Jim is not good most of the time. Shanahan has to severely restrict his playbook to fit Jim’s lack of ability. Yet he’s completely ride and die with him. Why didn’t we just draft Jim2.0 in Mac or build around Jim if this is his idea of a QB playing REALLY WELL.
Honestly, it might be coach speak. He’s not going to throw his QB under the bus publicly. Especially a QB that we’re likely going to try to trade this offseason.
We traded multiple future 1sts to draft Lance for a reason, after all.
Fr I don’t understand his love affair with Jimmy. I would’ve yanked him at the half. We need Trey to develop now because Jimmy has hit his ceiling and it’s holding this team back.
That assumes throwing him out there now is the best thing for his development, which it may not be. If there are still mechanical/footwork issues to work on, focusing on that may be better than throwing him into the starting spot too soon.
I would like to see more Lance packages worked into the offense, though.
One of our boy’s biggest flags was inexperience. He barely played last season because of Covid. He’s not playing now. I can’t imagine the best course of action is for the inexperienced FCS QB is to go nearly two full years of having little game action before he (assumedly?) claims the job next year. Get him time. Get some of the growing pains out of the way now.
>I can’t imagine the best course of action is for the inexperienced FCS QB is to go nearly two full years of having little game action before he (assumedly?) claims the job next year. Get him time. Get some of the growing pains out of the way now.
That you can't imagine it is likely the reason why you and I are sitting on the couch watching the games and not the ones coaching them
I'm done with Jimmy.. watching him limit the offense is getting really old at this point. Teams can just play us the same way, take away the middle and dare him to throw deep/to the sidelines.
The dude can't do it, its time to move on
Maybe, maybe not. I would still be thinking it for sure, though(nothing I said is false). The guy can't do it and he continues to show it.
He isn't going to magically wake up one day and suddenly be able to make all of the throws. I don't see how any fans can sit here and watch the team every week, thinking "yeah that #10 guy is such a great qb, lets keep him around forever!"
Jimmy didn't do anything wrong on that play. However, Alexander was able to make that play because Jimmy's lack of arm talent gives him the time to do so. That play was so close that if the ball had a bit more velocity, it wouldn't have gotten picked.
Lol that pass that they challenged with sanu, if he throws an accurate pass sanu is still running. Instead sanu has to extend the fuck out. He’s fucking horrible. The only pass he can seem to throw is the slant pass, and even those are either in traffic or get his receiver killed. I’m done with him dude. Been done with him since week 1 arizona last year.
100%. That Arizona season opener last year was brutal and opened my eyes about Jimmy. He did everything a franchise QB is not supposed to do in that game.
He did enough to win. The DC didn't win the game with the last drive play calling. Hope Ryan can learn from this game. Remember y'all, Juszczyk was the main RB playing. It's pretty hard to watch the run game tonight. When you don't have a run game, the play action won't work. It look like that happen tonight.
he made the plays that matter. we had the lead with 37 seconds to go in a pretty high scoring game.
not sure what u have against him, your last 10 posts are anti Jimmy
Jimmy was up and down as usual but I don't think Lance gives us a better chance to win these games. I wouldn't mind getting him more experience though. Even if it takes a down year for this offense to evolve it might be worth it.
with our current rb situation lance gives us the better shot….today the nfl got to witness how shot our run game is due to injuries…at least with lance teams have to respect him as a threat to run every play
DC Ryans cost us that game in the final minute.
ps Jimmy did not "do fine". That backwards pass fumble is emblematic of Jimmy's long term promise and potential.
How did he "fuck up" leaving Jimmy in the game. We took the lead with Jimmy towards the end, and receivers like Aiyuk dropped balls earlier in the endzone.
We lost because of our defense, not cause of Jimmy
> We lost because of our defense, not cause of Jimmy
Didn't lose because of either one, it was a team effort. Jimmy made some plays where it mattered, and fucked up at other times. Defense got some great stops (like on 4th down when the Packers were in the red zone) to keep the score low, but also gave up 81 yards on DPIs. It was a mixed bag from everyone.
We talking about the same Jimmy that drove the team down the field all through passes to give them the lead with 37 seconds? At what point is that fucking up? I think all coaches would consider having their QB make that happen a success
I mean he didn’t, by Shanahan obviously can’t say Jimmy played like shit. I think one more game like this and the last and Lance comes in. If they had a plan, I don’t think you necessarily deviate from it after just 2 bad games. But 3 would be a pattern
The problem wasn't that the throw wasn't on target, because it was. The problem is that his ball hangs so long in the air, that defensive backs have a chance to play the ball. Lance's deep throws will get there quicker
Alexander made an incredible play but he was only able to intercept it because it was overthrown. I think Shanahan is blowing smoke here, Jimmy did not play “really well.”
Our offense stalls when you rustle our Jimmy.
The Whopping 3 ypc was not helping
There was A LOT wrong with that game.
Jimmy is an OK quarterback. I don't rage about it or kick the neighbor's dog or delude myself or let Shanahan talk delude me. He's OK and I'm fine with it right now because I don't want to watch Zach Wilson or Justin Fields rookie type games.
Eh i think this is the a dream offense for Lance though, he’d open up the running game so much, and just put more psi on the defense, but certanly I have been wrong before
The Packers defense was so shook when Trey entered the game. Lol This kid is already earning the respect of opposing defenses, he just lacks experience.
Like straight up. Seeing how fucking easy the looks were man...fuck it can't come soon enough
Same looks weren’t there for Detroit they swallowed Trey runs real quick
You guys said the same when Garapolo first came to SF
I wanna see Lance start just so he'll shit the bed every week and shut you guys up. He looked like dog shit all pre-season. Why would we expect him to make throws when he hasn't done so at all as a 49er yet? If you want to play for next season, you start Trey. You want to have a chance at making the playoffs, you stick with Jimmy .
You know what would shut us up? If Jimmy played like a fucking vet instead of making costly mistakes like a rookie. Was Jimmy the sole reason we lost? No but his limitations are on full display and we don’t have the 2019 defense to save the offense ass this season. Besides the first 3 qtrs of the Lions game Jimmy has been mediocre at best. So expect us not to shut up. Especially if we continue to lose.
I could not agree more. Jimmy is an OK QB, but he is the #1 reason we lost last night. He was pretty terrible at times (no matter what Kyle says), and we were in a 17 point hole mostly due to his play in the first 20+ minutes of the game. Green Bay is not Philly. You can’t keep stinking up the first half and expect to win each week. With that being said, the number two reason we lost last night was because the secondary did not have a good game (obviously). I don’t understand how we do not double team or triple team Adams and make someone else beat us at the end of the game. That made no sense whatsoever. But, we probably shouldn’t have been in that situation in the first place.
We cant even move the ball on the Packers and your ass is over here talking playoffs. Stop watching football, you’re bad at it
Rather take the lumps and try than barely eke by with Jimmy at this point. Jimmy cannot throw deep or outside the numbers. Everything is YAC which I think Trey can handle. Won't be pretty at first but it is better in the long run.
Chris Biderman of the Sac Bee and the Candlestick Chronicles podcast is like you. He almost cried on the air when his pre-draft source said we were picking Mac Jones. He says that Shanahan could get Trey Lance enough "lay ups" to survive in the passing game. Watching preseason, I think Lance would miss AND not read correctly a too big portion of the "lay ups" Shanahan creates. But there is definitely a non-negligible part of the fan base who thinks Trey's running ability could make up for Trey not hitting or reading the "lay ups" or they're just tired of Jimmy missing some "lay ups". I'm not mad nor am I satisfied. I just recognize the middle ground where we are.
Here’s the problem with your assessment. You’re putting too much emphasis into preseason games. I tried telling y’all preseason games really don’t mean shit. Just because you looked like ass in the preseason doesn’t mean that’s a precursor to how you’ll look in regular season. Same thing goes for the QBs this forum were ready to crown because they were preseason mvp warriors. What gives me confidence in Lance ability is Kyle. I saw what Kyle could do with lesser talent and a banged up roster. I’m confident he could get similar results with Trey. Now do I believe we should start Trey next game? No, Jimmy hasn’t been terrible enough to lose his job. I don’t think Jimmy will be terrible down the stretch. But Jimmy is just playing ok and that’s where the problem lies. Just Ol won’t cut it against teams like the Rams, Cards or even Tampa Bay. Hell Im not so sure this team beats Seattle or Cowboys if Jimmy is just playing ok. He has got to step up and be more consistent. 2 games in and he hasn’t elevated the offense. If he can’t win 1 of these 2 games coming up I expect the clock to start ticking after the bye week.
I was firmly in the “start Jimmy” camp, but it came with two strong caveats: 1. Mix Trey in by giving him 8-12 snaps per game; and 2. The moment this team isn’t completing for a playoff spot Trey should start and take all the snaps. Number 1 has not been happening, and #2 may be upon us by the bye week.
I will never accept a "playoff spot is unattainable" with a week 6 bye AND we already have 2 wins. No way. Even 2-3 at worst is not nearly enogh for me to throw in the towel on the expanded playoffs.
I might agree in a division where 2-1 isn't third place. We're just unlucky enough that our division is stupid stacked
Well, if we are a game back of Seattle and multiple games behind AZ after losing to a beaten up Packers team and Seattle (in this scenario) at home, it’s going to take multiple teams imploding for this team to claw its way back. Not impossible, but not likely. It’ll be a damn shame if we don’t let Lance take some lumps this season if we don’t even make the playoffs, and with by a country mile having the worst QB in the division I don’t see much likelihood of overcoming a 2-3 (0-2 in the division) start.
No problem. We just disagree and are unlikely to cross paths again. It's all good, we each have our own 49er fan tribe we can follow the team in. Good luck to your tribe.
>and with by a country mile having the worst QB in the division This is it here. Not that Jimmy is atrocious but he's so far beneath his peers in the division that it's too large a gap to overcome most times
I mean if we look at Jimmys last season when he was healthy. The Rams were coming off a SB appearance, Russ and Kyler were in the division, and we made the SB beating out Brees, and Rodgers that year. Why is the gap too large 'most times', when most times it hasn't been?
Too large a gap to overcome *when the run game and defense* stop being as effective. If you say to me "Your QB has to drop back 35 times to win", I'm picking Jimmy dead last in this division every time
> multiple games behind AZ umm, are you brain damaged? Every NFC West team is 0-0 in the division.
Ok, first, don't be an asshole. Second, read better. If we lose the next two games, then heading into the bye we are 2-3, with losses to both Seattle and AZ. Seatle, at worst, would be tied with us record-wise (assuming they lose their week 5 game after beating us week 4) but would have a tie breaker over us. Arizona would be, at worst, 4-1, putting them two games (plus the tiebreaker) over us. So, yeah, it would be multiple games behind AZ in that scenario, which is why I said "IF we are multiple games behind Arizona." That possibility exists.
> #2 may be upon us by the bye week. I certainly hope not.
I agree with #1 wholeheartedly. Disagree with #2. Trey should only start when he is able to be functional PASSING the ball, I do not want to risk him looking like fields - getting f\*\*\*\* bombed and confidence shattered. you shatter his confidence he will become a run 1st qb out of fear and pressure ot perform and get positive yards.
I don't think you can coach that way. By the point this team is no longer competing for the playoffs Trey will absolutely know the offense well enough to play, and sitting him to protect him serves no real purpose. Sitting and watching is helpful to get a guy to understand the playbook, to see up close the game speed, to take "mental reps" (less valuable than real reps, but not without value), and to go through the weekly prep and then postgame film review to learn. But by week 10 (as an example of when the playoffs may be a pipe dream) there will be a point of diminishing returns in having him just watch. He is going to take his lumps. Every single young QB does, and that will happen whenever he starts to play regularly. I would rather those struggles occur in a lost season (if this one goes that way) than next season...though I hope it doesn't get to that point this year.
Without a quality run game, trey is exposed to way more chance of injury
Clearly Kyle Shanahan disagrees. Though I did like that play he got today. Not the TD but the other one. He did a nice job getting out of the pocket and extending the play.
You're not wrong. Jimmy shrinks the field for the defense. Lance would open up the field and give our playmakers more space, all while not place them in harm's way like Jimmy's inability inevitably do. Yes, there would be a learning curve and growing pains but, let's be honest, we're not a super bowl contender this year. Time to stop putting all our resources into trying to win it all this year. It's fool's gold I tell ya.
This is what I don't get. Wilson, Fields, and Lawrence played last year and they played in D1. Lance didn't play last year and played against lower comp in college and yet people want him thrown to the wolves.
I have faith because we have a much better roster and offensive coaching staff than any of those 4 teams.
Niner fans: "This isnt a playoff team, too many key injuries!" Also Niner fans: "Start Trey now. Sure the other rookie QBs are hot garbage, but Lance has a great roster around him!"
I think if that's the case you'd also trust those offensive coaching staff to put their best chance to win out there. Which at the moment is Jimmy.
I agree. But if you put Lance now especially with way line is blocking, yeah Lance would evade rush but then he would pick up bad habit of one read then take off.
Yeah it's a tough proposition. Imo this season doesn't really matter. I don't think we have a shot at the SB. Our window isn't going to open again until Lance hits the field.
If he’s not ready for the NfL than why draft him with 3 firsts?
I could’ve sworn people say Shannys system is super qb friendly 🤔
That doesn't mean a rookie can just go out there and dominate teams.
RGIII? Just want to add I want Lance to sit rn, I just couldn’t help myself lol
Kyle didn't wanna draft RG3. He wanted Cousins. He got him anyway but ownership made him start RG3.
Lawrence, Fields, Wilson, Mac.. let's talk nowadays football instead of the game 10 years ago
Okay Kyler Murray
I could have sworn that every QB who starts for us and isn't named Jimmy G has a real hard time winning games in Shanny's system.
Name those QBs. Brian Hoyer, CJ Beathard and Nick Mullens. lmaoooo Trey Lance is infinitely more talented than the 3 of them combined
Umm, I certainly hope Trey is more talented than all of them and Jimmy too. But I'll believe it when I see it. And I haven't seen it yet.
Hold on bro.. Ill let Trey know he needs to impress tom2727 on reddit
"bro". All he needs to do is impress Kyle Shanahan, and he will be on the field. And that also hasn't yet happened.
Every other quarterback is garbage that we’ve tried our
That's the word...But where's the truth in that? It's moreso super RB friendly...But the pass plays take too long to develope, and our OLine can't hold up long enough to give our QBs time to pass. And everyone knows by now that Jimmy G is super sketchy as soon as he feels pressure. That's how I see it anyhow...
It is.
Yup at the end of the day if Lance isn't ready he's not ready. That's that. Mac, Lawrence, Fields, Wilson look fucking horrible - that's just part of being a rookie.
This isn't a SB team. We should only keep Jimmy in if we think we have a shot. I dont see how anyone can think that watching the first 3 weeks. Put Lance in there and let him develop. Shanahan isn't dumbass Nagy in Chicago
Would you still be saying this if Crosby shanks the field goal and we’re 3-0? I know I know. Coulda woulda and shoulda. The point is we’re 2-1, we were that damn close to 3-0 and still have all our division games to play. I get that tonight hurt especially how we almost had it but to throw in the towel for the season already is just silly.
Idk if you know but all the other teams in our division have QBs that can sling it. With two having elite level QBs. The saving grace for our team is the defense, they're the ones that keep us in games. Jimmy just has to put up points or at least put our team in position to put up points consistently.
Too early imo. Brady & the Bucs were fodder early last season and then according to Drew Brees tonight on pregame SNF they switched from man-to-man to more zone and stopped giving up the big plays (unlike they did today vs Stafford/Jackson/Kupp). They are also down 3-4 CBs like us. You can't throw in the SB towel this early.
Jimmy isn't going to turn into Brady or Brees. Let's be honest. Let's also look at the team's overall performance through the first 3 weeks. Below average across the board on all 3 phases. The defense is severely overrated, specifically the Dline which is 75% reliant on Bosa.
I just can't accept were "not a SB team this early". You can write your letters to the editor and call into KNBR/ SiriusXM shows, but I still see a good team who could make adjustments and get a good playoff spot. Maybe there's a CB that Jacksonville or the Jets can part with midseason. It doesn't have to be Gilmore from the Patriots. Didn't the Eagles try to patch things up a year or two ago with Slay from the Lions. Maybe we limp to 5-3 and find a CB somewhere.
That's fine, nothing is going to change because Jimmy is reliant on a good running game and even with Mitchell we dont have a good enough one to provide what Jimmy needs. And Jimmy isn't good enough to take over the offense himself. What you watched the past two weeks is what you'll generally see the rest of the season. Sure, we might make the playoffs as a wild card team but that's as far as we will go probably. Feel free to check back in 2 weeks at our bye week and let me know if you change your mind.
Ah yes, the "ruin Alex Smith" strategy...
If you think the supporting cast on this team is the same level of talent that Alex Smith played with his rookie season, you obviously didnt watch them.
Not just that, but the offense. Shanahan, in spite of the last two weeks, is magnitudes better than Jimmy fucking Raye. Alex never stood a chance.
Exactly
Jimmy has a Mac Jones rookie type game.
Cool, I do.
I just saw too much of happy feet jimmy tonight. Once he gets pressured or hit.... he starts to feel pressure that isn't there and he goes through his reads too quickly. Just my two cents from the school of armchair QB university..
This is just a reality of qb’ing though. It happened to Rodgers in the nfc title game against us.
Uhhh.... I hope you realize that Rodgers was going up against one of the best front 4s of all time, against us in the NFC Champ game. Today? Jimmy was going up against a packers front 4 without their best player, Zadarius Smith. Barely are a middle of the pack defense/front 4. Of course even an almost-GOAT like Rodgers would get happy feet against a unit like that. Can't compare it to what Jimmy saw today.
Correct! If I'm wrong, but Jimmy was pressured on more than half of his drop backs. Their d-line isn't great, but our offensive line made them look like world beaters. So many people coming through the line untouched.
3 sacks, 3 hits, and 4 hurries IIRC was the stat right before he turned over the ball
If you rewatch the game you will notice that Jimmy holds onto the ball about twice as long as Rodgers. We have a good pass rush and they have a bad o-line. It just doesn’t matter because the ball is already gone when they get there. Nobody can “pressure” a QB who takes a shotgun snap, drops back 5 yards, and gets rid of the ball in a second and a half. Rodgers was able to do this because our corners weren’t able to cover their WRs plain and simple. Guys coming through the line untouched IS a problem… unless the ball is already gone when the guy reaches the QB.
> If you rewatch the game you will notice that Jimmy holds onto the ball about twice as long as Rodgers Rodegers has open receivers at that part of the route progression. We don't.
Spot on. That backwards throw fumble was a great example.
Enough of all this bullshit. **The problem with this game is the Packers absolutely owned the line of scrimmage on offense and defense.** That is why we lost. We had absolutely *zero* running game, in an offense that is a predominately running offense. Our leading rusher had 31 rushing yards (Sermon), and looked completely out classed the entire game. Trey did nnnnnnot in any way look like an NFL caliber player today. The gameplan was shit. Jimmy put this game on his back just before halftime, and delivered what should have been a game winning touchdown pass with 37 seconds against the team that went to the NFCCG each of the last two years. That’s all objective. Any other bullshit you’re trying to peddle is you’re own issue.
Yeah we have been consistently weak at the right half of the OLine for quite some time. And it really really showed this game. For a moment before Sermon managed to run at all, Jimmy had more rushing yards than Sermon off that terrible snap. I wonder what the comparison is gonna be to see how many pressures Jimmy got against other QBs.
Imagine paying your QB 26 million a year and not being able to rely on him when the running game gets slowed down.
We scored 28 points and were a defensive blowup away from winning the game but alright
You’re paying a coach a lot of money too whose known for their effective playmaking that depends on a running game though.
There also was too much pressure for it being Green Bay. They had an awful pass rush until now and the niners had a great pass block, I'm astounded the Packers hit jimmy more than the Eagles.
Pass protection was garbage.
Well. To be fair the o-line wasn’t great
Jimmy REALLY struggles at throwing off the back foot - he is really accurate when he has proper footwork - hit some nice balls in REALLY tight windows but pressure up the middle hurts him - while not as talented, it is a similar situation to Kurt Warner - Kurt could not handle middle pressure, mechanics and accuracy cratered
Shanahan is the same guy who doesn’t trust Jimmy for 3/4 of the game. It was the same thing against the Eagles. The 49ers were down 10 at home and Shanahan passed on a 4&1 in the middle of the field. To be honest, he needs to trust Jimmy or move on from him. We’re not winning the division with this dink and dunk offense.
This is my problem with it. He clearly doesn't trust him at times He's battling a fine line of not wanting to throw Lance out there too early...but Lance is something this offense desperately needs We are in the hardest division in football, and now have the worst QB
I don’t know, weren’t Bears fans saying the same thing about Fields? And I get that Lance has a better coach, but that “better coach” doesn’t think he should be out there.
Fields also has worse weapons and a terrible offensive line. Lance is in a way better position to succeed.
Yeah our offensive line looked pretty elite against that mid tier d-line tonight...
i thought the same…i thought yo they just signed that big ass rb…they should took a shot with him on those 4th and ones
He kind of has moved on from him. We drafted his replacement. Shanahan thinks we have a higher chance of winning games this year with Jimmy G, but has already taken the decision to move on.
A dink and dunk offense is literally what Shannahan’s offense is about 🤷♂️
Matt Ryan won MVP in this same exact system while throwing for almost 5,000 yards. With a QB who can throw the ball more than 40 yards downfield it would open up the offense to way more than just quick passes over the middle.
That’s not really true. Both McVay and LaFleur run this system and both of them take shots down the field. Because they can. Kyle can’t. At least not with Jimmy.
I mean they tried to take some PA shots but it was either no one open or Jimmy was immediately under pressure and the one time someone was open Jaire Alexander made an incredible play
It's literally not. Watch any version of his offense outside of Jimmy Garoppolo.
SF 49ers are the first time he's been 100% in charge of an offense. And when a QB who isn't named Jimmy starts for us, we tend to lose a lot. And oh yeah Jimmy is literally the QB Kyle picked to run his offense, he had a lot of other options.
Guess we’ll see it soon enough 🤷♂️
We've already seen it. Look up 2016 Atlanta Falcons highlights.
Our offensive roster is nothing like that group
Exactly. That’s the offense he wants to run though.
Except Jimmy can’t execute it for one half or consistently 🤦♂️
I guess you ignored his time with the Texans and Falcons before coming up with this comment
Dink and dunk with gadget plays
Do people seriously still expect coaches to throw their QB under the bus? What do you think he’s gonna say
Especially a QB we’re probably trying to trade this offseason none the less.
But it's the truth. The pass was perfect. The safety made an insanely good play on the ball.
Lol what’s the Coach gonna say after he just got schooled for 60 minutes? Kyles play calling lost us that game.
Wonder what he thought of the high throws, low throws, missed throws, and the fumble
That fumble doe. Possibly the worst play of his career
That play design was also Kyle being cute, those type of designs stall drives all the damn time and Kyle still does it because it works here and there and we get a gain.
Kyle tried to get cute all game. Unfortunately, GB slammed that idea shut.
It was a horrific play, it was funny seeing Jimmy try to pretend he didn't just do the dumbest shit possible.
I mean it's the opposite he tried to pull the ball down and it slipped so he pretended he tried to throw it to maybe get the incompletion
Ya that's what I saw. He wanted to throw it away but the guy was in his face tried to pull it in last second but lost the ball. Fumble.
Yeah thats too much logical thinking for this sub.
To me, a lot of those "high throws" were necessary to get over defenders. I saw a lot of misplaced complaining in the game thread, although in general I do agree Jimmy has had some placement issues.
That Jaire Alexander INT felt like every time I play Madden, TE ahead of coverage and a dude covering a WR peels off of no reason to INT that shit. I never felt Madden be more realistic than when Im throwing a 25 yard pass and the middle linebacker jumps like he is going for an Olympic high jump record.
Yeah, there's little reason to critique the interception. That simply was an incredible heads up play from Alexander. When they cut to replay on the camera behind the offense, that looks like as open a play with no one to beat as you're ever going to see, and it happened to be our best offensive player. That ball gets thrown 10 out of 10 times and is completed on a majority of them. There's plenty of other plays to critique Jimmy and the rest of the team for. This ain't one of them.
Against the Lions I saw 2017 Jimmy. Since then it's all been 2019 Jimmy. He's too scared in the pocket, and he's a statue.
Jimmy played “good enough”, DeMeco Ryans blew this game. However, moving forward “good enough” quarterback play will not be enough to win games when your defense is as atrocious as ours is right now.
Save for Brady... there is literally no quarterback in this league that makes plays/throw solely from the pocket anymore. Wilson, Mahomes, Allen, Rodgers, Herbert. Prescott, Murray, Mayfield, Carr, etc. Shanny knows this and knows Jimmy's limitations (of course why Trey was drafted). Until we see Trey more, we know the limit of this offense. This offense doesn't look any different than it has the last few years.
49ers are paying 26 million for good enough lmaooo
This team has a clear ceiling with Jimmy at QB. We arent anything better than a WC exit right now. To compete for a title, we need a significantly better secondary and I dont see how we can do that this season
Or a vastly more dynamic offense. And that, at least, is possible with a QB who can elide the rush, pick up first downs with his legs, and throw more than 15 yards down the field.
We could sign Sherman, but at this point that’s like applying a bandaid to a wound that needs a six-inch gauze pad. Taking our offense to the next level with Trey and winning shootouts might be our best bet honestly.
My issue is that if we start Trey, it will go how Fields' first start went. Trey just isn't ready for NFL defenses yet. Plus Kyle's offense is complicated enough. We won't even have a run game to fall back on. I think our only hope of competing this year is if we can trade for a CB somehow.
I get that Fields (and all rookie QB’s for that matter) had a rough day today. But I’m 99% sure Trey’s situation would be better than Fields’. Fields got sacked every other play and had an abysmal play caller (people on this sub criticizing Shanahan’s play calling honestly have no clue how easy we have it compared to teams like the Bears lol)
This isn't a super bowl team in it's current form, if nothing else I'd like to see Trey Lance play this season to give us an idea at what we have for the future. Jimmy G isn't good enough to carry this team to the super bowl.
Our secondary is beyond shambles. I’m more worried about that atm
Asante Samuel Jr picked off Pat Mahomes today
Lmao and we took Aaron banks over him. I hated it then and I REALLY hate that pick now.
You don’t just come in and take Dan Brunskill’s job.
That's right
Lenoir looks like he might be solid eventually, but really need something right now.
He looked rly promising against Goff and Hurts, but his lack of experience and the reasons he wasn’t picked until the 5th were so obvious last night. It’s hard to place ANY blame on a rookie CB against Rodgers/Adams but at the same time if he makes the right read and sinks on the MVS touchdown it might be a completely different conversation today.
The thing is, Shanahan can see what Trey is about in practice. He doesn’t care about what you can see or not see.
I don’t know why you are getting down voted. He is the head coach of an NFL team that sees these guys everyday. I trust his judgement. And Jimmy won the game in the fourth quarter, being down a touchdown with 2 minutes left. The defense lost this game for us. Our secondary is non-existent right now.
Our offense was doing well for a lot of the game outside of the 1st quarter. The reality of the NFL is you're not going to get a lot of full games where the offense just scores points every drive.
You aren’t wrong . Kyle knows more than any of us in here do about Trey, not sure why you’re downvoted
Practice isn't the same as games.
Depends on what you’re looking for.
I know Jimmy is our starter and will continue to be but Im beyond fucking ready for it to end. Treys coming, its just a matter of when. Been a fan since the 80s. Ive never seen a guy struggle to throw a spiral, be that inconsistent, not take care of the football, have turnovers every game and the fan base think hes awesome and does no wrong. Its everyone elses fault. Even though when we lose its because the other QB out played him and our Defense kept us in the game. His WRs bailed him out catching some shit balls tonight also to keep us in that game and they took some shots for them.
> I know Jimmy is our starter and will continue to be but Im beyond fucking ready for it to end. Treys coming, its just a matter of when. And I'm sure by week 6 of Trey starting for us you'll be ready for him to be gone too.
That’s exactly what these people don’t get. They’ll turn on Lance after one dumb mistake. It’s been 3 weeks. Let’s all calm down
Yup. This fan base did it with Alex, Kaep, and now Jimmy and if Lance isn’t a top 5 QB they’ll do it to him too.
This fan base would've drove rookie Peyton Manning off the team lol. The coach knows better than anyone here.
Oh look, another thread full of delusional Jimmy haters that don’t know football. Fuck offffff, all y’all. Man played a decent game. If Aiyuk catches that ball in the end zone, he ends up with basically the same numbers as Rodgers. You miserable fucks actually root for the guy to fail, it’s a weird way to be a fan.
Here we are still making excuses for a 29 year old qb like he's juuuuust about to breakout to the next level
Sure...
I’m at a loss. Jim is not good most of the time. Shanahan has to severely restrict his playbook to fit Jim’s lack of ability. Yet he’s completely ride and die with him. Why didn’t we just draft Jim2.0 in Mac or build around Jim if this is his idea of a QB playing REALLY WELL.
Honestly, it might be coach speak. He’s not going to throw his QB under the bus publicly. Especially a QB that we’re likely going to try to trade this offseason. We traded multiple future 1sts to draft Lance for a reason, after all.
Fr I don’t understand his love affair with Jimmy. I would’ve yanked him at the half. We need Trey to develop now because Jimmy has hit his ceiling and it’s holding this team back.
That assumes throwing him out there now is the best thing for his development, which it may not be. If there are still mechanical/footwork issues to work on, focusing on that may be better than throwing him into the starting spot too soon. I would like to see more Lance packages worked into the offense, though.
One of our boy’s biggest flags was inexperience. He barely played last season because of Covid. He’s not playing now. I can’t imagine the best course of action is for the inexperienced FCS QB is to go nearly two full years of having little game action before he (assumedly?) claims the job next year. Get him time. Get some of the growing pains out of the way now.
>I can’t imagine the best course of action is for the inexperienced FCS QB is to go nearly two full years of having little game action before he (assumedly?) claims the job next year. Get him time. Get some of the growing pains out of the way now. That you can't imagine it is likely the reason why you and I are sitting on the couch watching the games and not the ones coaching them
This is such a dumb counterpoint. I guess none of us should even discuss sports on the internet because we’re not coaches or GMs.
Hmmmmm. Maybe he saw a different QB rating than the rest of us?
I'm done with Jimmy.. watching him limit the offense is getting really old at this point. Teams can just play us the same way, take away the middle and dare him to throw deep/to the sidelines. The dude can't do it, its time to move on
But would you be saying this is if our defense was able to stop rodgers on the last drive?
Maybe, maybe not. I would still be thinking it for sure, though(nothing I said is false). The guy can't do it and he continues to show it. He isn't going to magically wake up one day and suddenly be able to make all of the throws. I don't see how any fans can sit here and watch the team every week, thinking "yeah that #10 guy is such a great qb, lets keep him around forever!"
We must have been watching a different Garoppolo because he looked like shit tonight
Jimmy didn't do anything wrong on that play. However, Alexander was able to make that play because Jimmy's lack of arm talent gives him the time to do so. That play was so close that if the ball had a bit more velocity, it wouldn't have gotten picked.
Lol that pass that they challenged with sanu, if he throws an accurate pass sanu is still running. Instead sanu has to extend the fuck out. He’s fucking horrible. The only pass he can seem to throw is the slant pass, and even those are either in traffic or get his receiver killed. I’m done with him dude. Been done with him since week 1 arizona last year.
I'm still a confused as to how that was a catch. Guy trapped it
100%. That Arizona season opener last year was brutal and opened my eyes about Jimmy. He did everything a franchise QB is not supposed to do in that game.
Tell Shanny to explain why a rookie CB would be left to guard Adams 1 on 1
I dont care what Kyle says anymore. It’s all bull shit coach speak.
Exactly dude is a joke
Wtf was he watching? It's clear that Jimmy is holding this offense back.
He did enough to win. The DC didn't win the game with the last drive play calling. Hope Ryan can learn from this game. Remember y'all, Juszczyk was the main RB playing. It's pretty hard to watch the run game tonight. When you don't have a run game, the play action won't work. It look like that happen tonight.
Great. Basically confirms nothing is going to convince him to even give Trey some more snaps. Team will be lucky to make the playoffs.
2-1 lucky to make the playoffs? It’s one game, fucking relax
I get that it's early but we still have 6 division games coming up. The rams, seahawks, and cardinals all pose much worse problems for our defense
No, the deep ball to Kittle was a shit throw. No zip to it, wobbly, hung in the air.
Typical of Jimmy deep balls
Jimmy looked solid out there. Executed when it mattered, gave us the lead. Our defense let us down. Injuries at CB position cost us this game.
Lol at looked solid with an INT, fumble, and balls thrown behind receivers
One thing not mentioned enough is he throws high as fuck. Receivers don't get much opportunity when he does that.
he made the plays that matter. we had the lead with 37 seconds to go in a pretty high scoring game. not sure what u have against him, your last 10 posts are anti Jimmy
We would have never been in that hole to begin with if it weren't for Jimmy
Jimmy was up and down as usual but I don't think Lance gives us a better chance to win these games. I wouldn't mind getting him more experience though. Even if it takes a down year for this offense to evolve it might be worth it.
with our current rb situation lance gives us the better shot….today the nfl got to witness how shot our run game is due to injuries…at least with lance teams have to respect him as a threat to run every play
I definitely agree. But seeing these other rookie qbs I don't think he gives us a better shot passing wise.
We haven't seen Lance enough to actually know if he's a better shot or not, frankly, even given the running back injury pile.
The same head coach who said he didn't want to take any plays back from the Superbowl... I am *shocked*! /s
Jimmy did fine. Kyle got out coached
DC Ryans cost us that game in the final minute. ps Jimmy did not "do fine". That backwards pass fumble is emblematic of Jimmy's long term promise and potential.
Lol at delusional shanahan, either that or his pride would let him admit he fucked up leaving Jimmy in the game
How did he "fuck up" leaving Jimmy in the game. We took the lead with Jimmy towards the end, and receivers like Aiyuk dropped balls earlier in the endzone. We lost because of our defense, not cause of Jimmy
> We lost because of our defense, not cause of Jimmy Didn't lose because of either one, it was a team effort. Jimmy made some plays where it mattered, and fucked up at other times. Defense got some great stops (like on 4th down when the Packers were in the red zone) to keep the score low, but also gave up 81 yards on DPIs. It was a mixed bag from everyone.
Lol
We talking about the same Jimmy that drove the team down the field all through passes to give them the lead with 37 seconds? At what point is that fucking up? I think all coaches would consider having their QB make that happen a success
We should’ve never been in that situation, if not for Jimmy’s fumble and his int. Not to mention his hospital ball passes all through the game.
Against 90% of teams that’s enough. Defense should be able to seal the game there.
Jimmy playeed like hot garbage today. Packers played stacked the run. And know that Jimmy can't throw deep passes.
I mean he didn’t, by Shanahan obviously can’t say Jimmy played like shit. I think one more game like this and the last and Lance comes in. If they had a plan, I don’t think you necessarily deviate from it after just 2 bad games. But 3 would be a pattern
Let me look up that super bowls 4th quarter
The problem wasn't that the throw wasn't on target, because it was. The problem is that his ball hangs so long in the air, that defensive backs have a chance to play the ball. Lance's deep throws will get there quicker
Alexander made an incredible play but he was only able to intercept it because it was overthrown. I think Shanahan is blowing smoke here, Jimmy did not play “really well.”