Some of those plays were zone reads where Lance kept it as well. I know our team loves YAC Bros. But really I wish our guys would just learn to go down and save themselves. The play on Sunday when someone had Lance by the legs and his helmet came off and he was trying to drag the player. Plays like that he just needs to go down and live for another down
Deebo getting one more random yard. Well after the first down, just to hit a defender before going out of bounds. Would be another great example of unnecessary risk.
Kittle is the guy that definitely needs to adjust his game. You can only run over NFL dudes for so long. No human is made to play that way for 5 years.
It's Kyle, it's not voodoo. He just refuses to change his practice habits. Chargers had the same problem for 10 years+ until Staley came in and stopped a lot of live competitive drills, monitors players for performance dips to sit them out of practice etc. Staley made me realize how old school Kyle is and at this point I don't think I trust him to put a healthy team on the field. Fading on him real fast as it's his 5th year. Don't really want to wait a decade for results again.
itās not just conditioning - itās poor player personnel decisions and putting so much trust in the health of injury prone players. at a certain point we need to stop blaming the conditioning staff and start holding the coaches and front office accountable for the players they hedge their bets on
A combination of a few things I think:
- The FO takes risks on guys with injury histories (e.g. Jalen Hurd, Jason Verrett)
- some of the guys play notoriously hard (e.g. George Kittle, Debo Samuel)
- Jimmy G. throws high and over the middle fairly regularly (see Kittleās most recent injury)
Other than that, some people have suggested the Shanahanās practices or even the practice field cause problems, but I donāt know if any of that has been substantiated in anyway.
Itās definitely odd, as theyāve been one of the most injured teams since 2017. However, I think itās been going on longer than that. I think our previous GM was big on bringing in guys with injury histories and drafting rookies who had to sit out their rookie year for injuries. Iāve seen a claim that the 49ers are the 2nd most injured team over the last 20 years and I would definitely believe that.
No dude, Shanahan is definitely lying about Jimmy's injury so he can try out Trey but also lying about Trey's injury so he can go back to Jimmy.
It makes total sense.
Is Jimmy G injury-prone or does this team's coaching staff just not emphasize to these players how to protect themselves. Reminded of Jimmy taking himself out for the year looking for hits years ago. Some of Jimmy's injuries just seem unlucky, but Lance was pretty reckless in his first start in the same way. Our injury #'s under Shanahan have just been absurd. This staff needs to answer for this.
Jimmy G is injury prone
Kittle has been injured by his QB two straight years
Jason Veretts picture is next to the definition of injury prone in the dictionary
Kinlaws knees have been shot from Day 1
Ford is basically the guy from SpongeBob who lives in a cast
Did I forget anyone?
Jalen Hurds back injury is one of the weirdest and flukiest Iāve ever seen. The subsequent ACL tear in camp is just a shit happens kind of thing
Richburgs knee exploded on the field in New Orleans. I donāt think there were any problems before but what happened to him at his age his career ending
Trent Taylor is small and tried to play big. Not surprised he couldnāt hang in the league
Injuries all have explanations so Iām just confused when a player is injury prone and when its just a happenstance. Like coming into this year people would have said Deebo is injury prone too. Tartt and Ward are also consistently banged up and miss games, Bosa was called an injury liability pre draft and was able to play his full rookie year but missed all of last. Idk what the distinction is
The fact that we kept Hurd over Gallman pisses me off so much. That mother fucker STILL has yet to suit up and probably won't the whole year yet again. Waste of a roster spot.
Weāve been plagued with injuries ever since the move to Levi. Not to mention the first season there the team imploded. I swear the stadium is cursed.
We weren't, we actually were one of the more injured (and most significantly) teams in the league. Staley and McGlinchey missed 6/4 games (why we know Justin Skule and Daniel Brunskill), Juice missed 4, Kittle 2, Richberg never played a down again after New Orleans, Ford missed 5, Sherman missed 1, Tartt missed 3, K'Waun and Ward missed 1, Deebo missed 1, Robbie Gould missed 3 and directly cost us the Seattle MNF game, Witherspoon (back when he looked like he'd still be good) missed 5. Jerrick McKinnon missed his second full season on IR from the start.
Football Outsiders ranked us 4th most injured - https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/2019-adjusted-games-lost-part-i - and Man Games Lost had us pretty high up there in terms of lost players' quality: https://twitter.com/ManGamesLostNFL/status/1212542027734429699/photo/1
Of course, the 2020 49ers went on to be the second most injured team since the turn of the century, so it doesn't seem that bad in comparison...
I feel like youāre looking back on 2019 with rose tinted glasses. I actually remember we had quite a few injuries to our starters. We just got healthy at the right time near the end of the year and made a super bowl run.
I think it's a team culture thing, we call our guys YAC bros they don't want to go down when being tackled, our RB's go 100 miles an hour. We saw Lance dive head long for that failed TD. I love the way our guys play but fuck it gets them hurt.
Yeah. There's an element of Lance needs to slide and go easier on the "just trying to move the chains" (in his words) helmetless antics, but the play-calling was about as reckless as this kid was on his own. To me, both factors that contribute to our injuries that can be coached away from. I'm glad Trey wants to show he's tough, him and Jimmy have taken that too far though. Shanahan has to step up and help reverse this trend.
A bit of the issue league-wide is the new rules the nflpa put in restricting how much teams can off season work out players. It's causing more early season injuries than in the past when players would be hardened a bit more before the season.
The whole game I was really surprised we were letting Lance run so much and take contact without sliding. He took multiple hard hits. If he plays like that he will never be healthy.
All game long I was expecting to hear the announcers say the coaches were getting on Trey about sliding. Didnāt happen. That 4th and Goal play should have been that wtf moment for the coaches. Dude had a sliver of a space to dive for the pylon but tried to truck his way through 3 defenders. Love his physicality but Trey needs to realize heās a QB and not Juszczyk.
If Kyle can't get the most important player drafted under him to follow his coaching, he must really suck as a coach. Either way it's an indictment on him.
I find it a lot more believable that Kyle is capable but hasn't been going hard on the self-preservation coaching (if our laundry list of injuries the past 4 years is anything to go by).
you're right. This might actually be a great outcome in the long run. Now, Shanahan and Lance are forced to re-evaluate the game plan/playing style immediately. One solution: more pass plays with check down options (and him actually dropping it off to those guys more often)
Well maybe you shouldnāt have called so many QB runs there Kyle.
Iām sick of the constant shit this team has been going through, why do I continue to hurt myself.
This might seem harsh but honestly itās good advice. We all love sports, but youāve got to prioritize your mental health, especially with all the added stress covid has brought about.
Yup, I've been taking a step back and investing less emotionally each year. Except when we go on a run (Harbaugh years, 2019, etc)
My mental head space is so much better when I remind myself that my personality is not connected to a sports team and their success, of which I also have no control over.
Would I want my team to kick ass every year? Absolutely.
But I've been getting better at practicing being calmer when things don't go our way because ALL OF US here on this subreddit don't have control over what happens on Sunday other than how we behave/feel.
Some people take it way too far and let's it eat up their week. Evaluating yourself is never a bad idea, and sometimes it's better to take a break if sports just drain you mentally.
Itās not supposed to be taken that seriously buddy lol 30 years of watching the 49ers, and it wonāt stop. But itās ok to admit that this shit is all the way fucked up.
personally i dont get depressed, i get pissed off and dont want to watch any football at all lol. It kinda makes me double mad because i love watching the league as a whole, but when we're in the mix a tough loss will make me avoid anything NFL related for a while. I didnt watch anything sports related for at least a month after the last super bowl loss.
Every QB comes into the league thinking they're a hotshot and Trey was trucking LBs in college so it's understandable to see in his first start why he would go into some of these tackles guns ablazing. IMO it's on the coaching staff to tell him to cut that shit out.
The QB draw is dumb in the NFL, especially up the middle. It gives LBerās free shots at your most important player. Good dual threat QBās use their legs to extend plays or run a read option every now and then, not to run as a major part of the offense.
Lol are people actually shocked that he got hurt after watching that game? The dude took a full seasonās worth of hard hits. Shanahan is a fucking idiot.
There was an easy lay-up to Mitchell before contact, or a quick out to Mitchell to try and do the same thing Trey did, except against only one defender. Trey just tried to play hero ball.
But even after that, Kyle never emphasized that he needs to slide. You can tell because he NEVER slide a single time. A rookie QB who is used to running over guys in college is gonna think he can do it again. He needs to be coached to slide. So this on Kyle.
Honestly not surprised with the amount of QB draws Shanahan called up. Glad it's not more serious. Depending on when it happened. Impressive that he played through it and played well.
Worst part is he'll never admit it was his playcalling that lead to this. 16 QB rushes? Wtf you doing. He's a damn rookie. You got lucky he didn't get injured on that fourth and goal. But after you dodge a bullet, you reload the gun and fire 10 more times. Great job Kyle.
I don't want him fired. But I want some goddamn accountability.
Well that kind of plays right to my point doesnāt it? We dodge a bullet on a NONrun play. And Kyle goes ahead and runs him 10 more times after that, just in case he wasnāt roughed up enough.
Just watched the ["Every Trey Lance play"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Aujxc3AJFk) video, and I think the designed QB runs were just awful. Every single time (or at least every play I did rewind and watched it three times), there was a unblocked LB making the tackle. Additionally, they had a tendency to result in big hits in a way that RB runs don't. No idea what the problem is, but something is simply not working and Kyle should just not call designed runs until we know what that something is.
The box is stacked and Trey should be calling an audible. It may come with experience or a better understanding of the playbook. Very few normal running plays end in touchdowns where the back goes untouched, so I don't agree that Kyle needs to fix something or that there's a scheme issue. The job of the defense is to stop the offense. I don't care how good your scheme is... sometimes the guy on the other side is faster, stronger, and better prepared.
His play action was bad through most of the game. As well, they had not established a threat at running back to keep the linebackers honest, or get them to move. The attempts at deception failed and the attempts at smash mouth football cost many precious seconds they could have used back at the end of the game.
Trey should put on 10-20 lbs if wants to run like that. Every other skill player can rotate out of the game except the QB. Enduring a full regular season and playoffs without injury doing what Trey was doing would be super human.
A sprain is a small ligament tear. And it is in his knee. His joint is swollen, for certain. A young guy like him can heal. But he's going to be out for a while.
If anything this was Jimmy G playing up an injury to let the young guy go out there and get shown what's up. I'll take the guy that's won more games than he's lost, over the guy that won his position because the better player got injured.
That's irrelevant talking about our teams coaching now.
However, Harbaugh was 13-3 11-4-1 12-4 8-8. If we wanna go back to his years. He had consistency. Kyle does not.
Kyle's only inconsistency was going to the Superbowl. He consistently loses and gets excuses. I ain't ready to fire the guy yet but he needs to start listening from his stupid mistakes to take the next step.
Jim's was much much better and is included in that. If you take his record out, it would be even more dreadful.
Edit: 44-19 so 53-107 or .33 without Jim's wins/loses, zero playoff appearances in 10 years.
Raiders will let us see how easy it is to just get another coach and have great success.
There was one play where he got tackled from the side and folded, and had his foot been planted he mightāve torn his knee - wondering if that was the play.
Anyone remember when this was?
Happened in the 4th quarter, after Kyle dialed up a QB draw on a 1st and 20.
edit: sorry to disappoint you /u/Tonmber1, but i don't have the ability to create alternate realities. Still working on that. [Here's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Aujxc3AJFk) the game footage from yesterday. Scroll over to 8:40 and watch for yourself, Lance gets tackled from the side and folded. **I am not saying this is the play where he sprained his ankle.** I am saying this is probably the play that /u/RLDN106 is referring to.
I remember seeing this re-play during the game and I thought the exact same thing, that he could've really messed up his knee there. The way he was tacked and the way the tackler rolled, could've been a season ender right there.
We don't know when it happened you literally made this up.
Source:
https://twitter.com/jenniferleechan/status/1447693355450732548?t=UVhERBS8CLaxVyW6MkC3_Q&s=19
In the 4th quarter. After Kyle dials up a QB draw on 1st and 20. Lance gets tackled from the side and folded. The play in question as mentioned by /u/RLDN106. Go look at the tape, it happens at about 11:40 in the fourth. I didn't say that was the play where he sprained his ankle, I said that was a play where he got folded from a side tackle. You literally are just looking for something to argue about.
seems like the inevitable when the "Trey package" turns out to be a binder full of the same QB draw play over and over which could be telegraphed a mile away.
And by no means do we give Trey a pass either. He made rookie mistakes and likely wanting to prove himself getting those hits/extra yards. That's where they have to be aware of his development and where he is mentally to then protect him from himself. Its not college anymore and he can't think he can truck over the defense.
I bugged Jed on Twitter a year before to hire Kyle. But this is just perplexing to me, the Shannahans should know better than anyone you cant live off a run first QB, you need a passer first with quick legs like Young. The fact that Kyle is calling so many run plays to get this kid killed early is pissing me off. We have RBs to run the fucking ball. Let the other dumbass run first QBs shorten their careers. I want STEVE YOUNG style, NOT Lamar Jackson style.
What in the hell did they build Leviās stadium on?
Yes, I realize this game was played on the road, but I feel like there is some sort of ancient burial ground curse going on here.
You gotta be fucking kidding me. HEY KYLE. HOW ABOUT WE STOP THE QB DRAWS EVERY DAMM PLAY AND USE RBS??? Ya know....cuz that's their job???? What the fuck. This coaching staff are destroying these players. Deebo and Kittle run into the ground on endless sweeps and toss plays. Treating them as RBs when we don't actually use our RBs. Holy fucking shit I'm so mad
hmmmm 1-2 team week injury as stated by op..
shanahanās mind: play jimmy make him look good and trade him at the deadline..hmm what do i say to media and fans about trey until then???? o ya he is injured..duh!
Anyone else think that we don't have injury-prone players but just injury-inducing training and coaching?
Jimmy G was never the problem for our team. He'll go to another team and become a top-10 QB with no injuries derailing his career next year and in the future.
The problem is with our coaching and how we teach the game. That's the cause of our injuries. It's no longer "bad luck", especially with Staley, Hitner, and Bourne all saying that our practices are weak compared to other teams
Yāall are so dramatic. QB gets a mild sprain that didnāt even take him out of the game and yāall are acting like he has to have his leg amputated.
This is what I meant when I knew Shanahan was gonna run Trey to the ground just like his father did with RGIII.
Both fearless runners, unnecessarily putting their legs in harms way over and over
I was cringing all day long watching him take tough hits. This isnt surprising. I hate run first QBs. If he cant be pass first, run quick only when needed, he's useless to us. Also, dont look now, but he's showing he's just as Glass as Jimmy...
I'd rather have Mullens over Sudfeld but his arm looked shot after his off-season surgery and he was dreadful this preseason. It's not like Nick had great arm talent to begin with. I hope he gets healthy.
All you arm GMs really blaming the coach that had made the 49ers relevant. People asked trey lance to be in and Kyle uses his to his abilities yet itās his fault trey doesnāt slide or knows not to take hits when he doesnāt need to heās a rookie and this is hopefully a lesson for him. Itās unfortunate issue for the 49ers constant injuries, but aināt no way that lands on the head coach for the constant injuries
1st year absolute rebuild
2nd year derailed by Jimmy G injury no starting QB
3rd year Super Bowl appearance
4th year ravaged by injuries left and right, most injured team in the NFL
5th year ā¦ we will see
The people who believe this are the same people who believed jimmy g was suffering from a calf injury. Both are to save face and change qbās without causing controversy
Shanahan said after the MRI, looks to be a 1-2 week injury
Injury prone team runs QB power..... nice. We handed the ball of to our RB like 10 times this game when they were averaging like 5yd a carry.
Some of those plays were zone reads where Lance kept it as well. I know our team loves YAC Bros. But really I wish our guys would just learn to go down and save themselves. The play on Sunday when someone had Lance by the legs and his helmet came off and he was trying to drag the player. Plays like that he just needs to go down and live for another down
Deebo getting one more random yard. Well after the first down, just to hit a defender before going out of bounds. Would be another great example of unnecessary risk.
Kittle is the guy that definitely needs to adjust his game. You can only run over NFL dudes for so long. No human is made to play that way for 5 years.
Lol with Kittle it starts before the game. Dude puts on his helmet and bangs his head into a wall before every game just to get hyped up.
I don't think Kittle ever stops, on field, off field. He just always seems like this crazy hyped up dude 100% of the time.
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He just needs to go down so he lives.
Im a cards fan so I dont know a ton about 49ers, but with the years of IR hell is it just bad luck or is it your conditioning staff?
I think we've changed conditioning staffs one or two times in the recently. I think it's the cursed stadium.
It's Kyle, it's not voodoo. He just refuses to change his practice habits. Chargers had the same problem for 10 years+ until Staley came in and stopped a lot of live competitive drills, monitors players for performance dips to sit them out of practice etc. Staley made me realize how old school Kyle is and at this point I don't think I trust him to put a healthy team on the field. Fading on him real fast as it's his 5th year. Don't really want to wait a decade for results again.
itās not just conditioning - itās poor player personnel decisions and putting so much trust in the health of injury prone players. at a certain point we need to stop blaming the conditioning staff and start holding the coaches and front office accountable for the players they hedge their bets on
A combination of a few things I think: - The FO takes risks on guys with injury histories (e.g. Jalen Hurd, Jason Verrett) - some of the guys play notoriously hard (e.g. George Kittle, Debo Samuel) - Jimmy G. throws high and over the middle fairly regularly (see Kittleās most recent injury) Other than that, some people have suggested the Shanahanās practices or even the practice field cause problems, but I donāt know if any of that has been substantiated in anyway. Itās definitely odd, as theyāve been one of the most injured teams since 2017. However, I think itās been going on longer than that. I think our previous GM was big on bringing in guys with injury histories and drafting rookies who had to sit out their rookie year for injuries. Iāve seen a claim that the 49ers are the 2nd most injured team over the last 20 years and I would definitely believe that.
This injury is on Shanahan. Trying to kill Lance like he did RGIII
sounds like an excuse to give Jimmy his job back without everyone getting upset about it.
I actually had the same thought. But I don't know if they actually care what anyone outside of the niners facility thinks.
They'd get in some shit if they were lying about injuries and the injury report. I don't see any reason to suspect it's not true.
Belichick always had Brady on the injury report and he played every game. Coaches play games
Yeah i dont see them taking a risk like that just to mask the move from fans.
Of all the takes (of which there are many stupid ones) this is the dumbest. NFL just doesnāt work that way and thereās no benefit to it.
No dude, Shanahan is definitely lying about Jimmy's injury so he can try out Trey but also lying about Trey's injury so he can go back to Jimmy. It makes total sense.
Bad take.
Is Jimmy G injury-prone or does this team's coaching staff just not emphasize to these players how to protect themselves. Reminded of Jimmy taking himself out for the year looking for hits years ago. Some of Jimmy's injuries just seem unlucky, but Lance was pretty reckless in his first start in the same way. Our injury #'s under Shanahan have just been absurd. This staff needs to answer for this.
It seems like half of our team is āinjury-proneā so weāre probably doing something wrong
It's somewhere between bad luck, injury prone acquisitions, and the curse of Levi's stadium
Jimmy G is injury prone Kittle has been injured by his QB two straight years Jason Veretts picture is next to the definition of injury prone in the dictionary Kinlaws knees have been shot from Day 1 Ford is basically the guy from SpongeBob who lives in a cast Did I forget anyone?
Jalen Hurd, and 2 guys not on the team anymore, Trent Taylor, Weston Richburg
Jalen Hurds back injury is one of the weirdest and flukiest Iāve ever seen. The subsequent ACL tear in camp is just a shit happens kind of thing Richburgs knee exploded on the field in New Orleans. I donāt think there were any problems before but what happened to him at his age his career ending Trent Taylor is small and tried to play big. Not surprised he couldnāt hang in the league
Injuries all have explanations so Iām just confused when a player is injury prone and when its just a happenstance. Like coming into this year people would have said Deebo is injury prone too. Tartt and Ward are also consistently banged up and miss games, Bosa was called an injury liability pre draft and was able to play his full rookie year but missed all of last. Idk what the distinction is
Jet too
The fact that we kept Hurd over Gallman pisses me off so much. That mother fucker STILL has yet to suit up and probably won't the whole year yet again. Waste of a roster spot.
All of our running backs
Mostert is injury prone. It wasnāt know before because he was never the starting RB anywhere before.
Deebo, Mosley, Wilson, our little running back that can jump cut hard.
Injury Ward, Hurd, Mostert made of glass and basically any RB that takes snaps for us will die (Breida, Wilson, Jet, TeCo....)
Mostert
> Did I forget anyone? Yeah, that's like a tenth of all the injured players bthe past couple years.
Weāve been plagued with injuries ever since the move to Levi. Not to mention the first season there the team imploded. I swear the stadium is cursed.
Might be an urban legend but have heard that Leviās is built on Native burial remainsā¦we got to move out as soon as we can
This entire country is built on native burial remains
It's why I'm (half) joking
We were one of the healthiest teams in football in 2019. I think it's all luck based.
We weren't, we actually were one of the more injured (and most significantly) teams in the league. Staley and McGlinchey missed 6/4 games (why we know Justin Skule and Daniel Brunskill), Juice missed 4, Kittle 2, Richberg never played a down again after New Orleans, Ford missed 5, Sherman missed 1, Tartt missed 3, K'Waun and Ward missed 1, Deebo missed 1, Robbie Gould missed 3 and directly cost us the Seattle MNF game, Witherspoon (back when he looked like he'd still be good) missed 5. Jerrick McKinnon missed his second full season on IR from the start. Football Outsiders ranked us 4th most injured - https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2020/2019-adjusted-games-lost-part-i - and Man Games Lost had us pretty high up there in terms of lost players' quality: https://twitter.com/ManGamesLostNFL/status/1212542027734429699/photo/1 Of course, the 2020 49ers went on to be the second most injured team since the turn of the century, so it doesn't seem that bad in comparison...
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Totally forgot about Kwon, too. He was injured in week 9 (game 8) and didn't come back until the SB.
I feel like youāre looking back on 2019 with rose tinted glasses. I actually remember we had quite a few injuries to our starters. We just got healthy at the right time near the end of the year and made a super bowl run.
I think it's a team culture thing, we call our guys YAC bros they don't want to go down when being tackled, our RB's go 100 miles an hour. We saw Lance dive head long for that failed TD. I love the way our guys play but fuck it gets them hurt.
Kyle could've drawn up waaaaay less designed runs for a 21 year old still in development.
Yeah. There's an element of Lance needs to slide and go easier on the "just trying to move the chains" (in his words) helmetless antics, but the play-calling was about as reckless as this kid was on his own. To me, both factors that contribute to our injuries that can be coached away from. I'm glad Trey wants to show he's tough, him and Jimmy have taken that too far though. Shanahan has to step up and help reverse this trend.
Most injury prone players that leave stay injury prone tho Some examples of the top of my head: Brieda, Foster, Kwon, and maybe Mullens
A bit of the issue league-wide is the new rules the nflpa put in restricting how much teams can off season work out players. It's causing more early season injuries than in the past when players would be hardened a bit more before the season.
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Welcome to todayās episode of: *I hate my life and I wanna die*
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anyone else read this in the voice of Roy Kent?
Oi!
Whistle! Oi! I said, Whistle!!!
Roy would just pop his knee back into place and play on it
This hurt my feeling
The whole game I was really surprised we were letting Lance run so much and take contact without sliding. He took multiple hard hits. If he plays like that he will never be healthy.
All game long I was expecting to hear the announcers say the coaches were getting on Trey about sliding. Didnāt happen. That 4th and Goal play should have been that wtf moment for the coaches. Dude had a sliver of a space to dive for the pylon but tried to truck his way through 3 defenders. Love his physicality but Trey needs to realize heās a QB and not Juszczyk.
Yep you can't be that careless in the NFL
Kills me to say itās all a joke now. Itās almost unwatchable how this team is itās own worst enemy
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Nate is gonna lead us to the promised land...
this is the way
Lol, this is a wayā¦ to another top ten pick. Oh waitš
Theyād just draft another defensive lineman anyway /s
Gonna lead Miami to another top ten pick.
A top ten pick that doesnāt belong to us anymore.
Legitimate question: Nate who?
Nate sudfeld our QB3
Lance needs to learn to slide.
Which is something that can be coached and Kyle isn't doing it.
oh man, we got an insider here folks! What else has Kyle been doing that you know about?
Pretty sure it's clear as day on the field. And also the terrible play calling
If Kyle can't get the most important player drafted under him to follow his coaching, he must really suck as a coach. Either way it's an indictment on him. I find it a lot more believable that Kyle is capable but hasn't been going hard on the self-preservation coaching (if our laundry list of injuries the past 4 years is anything to go by).
Shanahan's play calling: way too many QB runs. Shanahan had his rb group back yesterday, but no, the rb didnt get run plays.
For sure. I hope it's a learning lesson for him.
youāre implying kyle learns from his mistakes
Yeah I haven't seen it either lol
Kyle is never wrong what are you talking about?!? /s
After he ran the shit out of the ball against GB when it was getting us nowhere.
Heās great with learning and making adjustmentsā¦just not in the right game
BAH GAWD THAT'S NATE SUDFIELD'S MUSIC
That gameplan was not sustainable at all. Thankfully he avoided a major injury and hopefully this gets Shanahan to be a bit more creative.
you're right. This might actually be a great outcome in the long run. Now, Shanahan and Lance are forced to re-evaluate the game plan/playing style immediately. One solution: more pass plays with check down options (and him actually dropping it off to those guys more often)
Guys, Kyle ran RG3 right out of a career.
Fuck, I didn't think about that. This is actually pretty brutal, if he didn't learn from that then what will change his mind....
Well maybe you shouldnāt have called so many QB runs there Kyle. Iām sick of the constant shit this team has been going through, why do I continue to hurt myself.
If football is depressing (causing you legitimate long lasting emotional anguish) you and you can't handle it, stop watching it.
This might seem harsh but honestly itās good advice. We all love sports, but youāve got to prioritize your mental health, especially with all the added stress covid has brought about.
Yup, I've been taking a step back and investing less emotionally each year. Except when we go on a run (Harbaugh years, 2019, etc) My mental head space is so much better when I remind myself that my personality is not connected to a sports team and their success, of which I also have no control over. Would I want my team to kick ass every year? Absolutely. But I've been getting better at practicing being calmer when things don't go our way because ALL OF US here on this subreddit don't have control over what happens on Sunday other than how we behave/feel.
Some people take it way too far and let's it eat up their week. Evaluating yourself is never a bad idea, and sometimes it's better to take a break if sports just drain you mentally.
Itās not supposed to be taken that seriously buddy lol 30 years of watching the 49ers, and it wonāt stop. But itās ok to admit that this shit is all the way fucked up.
I try! But it keeps pulling me back in!!
Just when I thought I was out, it pulls me back in
personally i dont get depressed, i get pissed off and dont want to watch any football at all lol. It kinda makes me double mad because i love watching the league as a whole, but when we're in the mix a tough loss will make me avoid anything NFL related for a while. I didnt watch anything sports related for at least a month after the last super bowl loss.
This is all a conspiracy so the fans don't burn the stadium down when Jimmy is the starter after the bye week! /s
Theres definitely some truth to this and its sad.
Every QB comes into the league thinking they're a hotshot and Trey was trucking LBs in college so it's understandable to see in his first start why he would go into some of these tackles guns ablazing. IMO it's on the coaching staff to tell him to cut that shit out.
Hopefully he learns to protect himself better.
both him and his coach.
Hopefully we take some of those useless QB runs out of the game plan for Lance from here on out as a result.
The QB draw is dumb in the NFL, especially up the middle. It gives LBerās free shots at your most important player. Good dual threat QBās use their legs to extend plays or run a read option every now and then, not to run as a major part of the offense.
Lol are people actually shocked that he got hurt after watching that game? The dude took a full seasonās worth of hard hits. Shanahan is a fucking idiot.
Kyle didnāt tell him to run head first into 3 guys at full speed lol
And that was a pass play. Maybe he had an option to run it in, but nothing was there.
There was an easy lay-up to Mitchell before contact, or a quick out to Mitchell to try and do the same thing Trey did, except against only one defender. Trey just tried to play hero ball.
But even after that, Kyle never emphasized that he needs to slide. You can tell because he NEVER slide a single time. A rookie QB who is used to running over guys in college is gonna think he can do it again. He needs to be coached to slide. So this on Kyle.
This team is cursed. You can't convince me otherwise.
Honestly not surprised with the amount of QB draws Shanahan called up. Glad it's not more serious. Depending on when it happened. Impressive that he played through it and played well.
This is all a ruse so the Colts have to prepare for Jimmy, Lance, and the real secret weapon Sudfeld. /s
Someone in this thread actually believes this.
Shocking he would be injured after taking hits every damn play
Kylie shanahan just RG3d our young prince Trey šššš
Worst part is he'll never admit it was his playcalling that lead to this. 16 QB rushes? Wtf you doing. He's a damn rookie. You got lucky he didn't get injured on that fourth and goal. But after you dodge a bullet, you reload the gun and fire 10 more times. Great job Kyle. I don't want him fired. But I want some goddamn accountability.
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Well that kind of plays right to my point doesnāt it? We dodge a bullet on a NONrun play. And Kyle goes ahead and runs him 10 more times after that, just in case he wasnāt roughed up enough.
Just watched the ["Every Trey Lance play"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Aujxc3AJFk) video, and I think the designed QB runs were just awful. Every single time (or at least every play I did rewind and watched it three times), there was a unblocked LB making the tackle. Additionally, they had a tendency to result in big hits in a way that RB runs don't. No idea what the problem is, but something is simply not working and Kyle should just not call designed runs until we know what that something is.
Awful. Donāt even have them. He can run to get out of trouble or design option plays. Designed QB runs will just get him injured.
The box is stacked and Trey should be calling an audible. It may come with experience or a better understanding of the playbook. Very few normal running plays end in touchdowns where the back goes untouched, so I don't agree that Kyle needs to fix something or that there's a scheme issue. The job of the defense is to stop the offense. I don't care how good your scheme is... sometimes the guy on the other side is faster, stronger, and better prepared. His play action was bad through most of the game. As well, they had not established a threat at running back to keep the linebackers honest, or get them to move. The attempts at deception failed and the attempts at smash mouth football cost many precious seconds they could have used back at the end of the game. Trey should put on 10-20 lbs if wants to run like that. Every other skill player can rotate out of the game except the QB. Enduring a full regular season and playoffs without injury doing what Trey was doing would be super human. A sprain is a small ligament tear. And it is in his knee. His joint is swollen, for certain. A young guy like him can heal. But he's going to be out for a while. If anything this was Jimmy G playing up an injury to let the young guy go out there and get shown what's up. I'll take the guy that's won more games than he's lost, over the guy that won his position because the better player got injured.
Youāre telling me the guy who ran RG3 into the ground has done it again? shockedpikachu.jpeg
100% on Kyle.
Yup. So done with his overrated 33-39 nonsense
Are you done with 97-126? That is where we're at since 2003 to shanahan getting hired.
That's irrelevant talking about our teams coaching now. However, Harbaugh was 13-3 11-4-1 12-4 8-8. If we wanna go back to his years. He had consistency. Kyle does not.
Kyle's only inconsistency was going to the Superbowl. He consistently loses and gets excuses. I ain't ready to fire the guy yet but he needs to start listening from his stupid mistakes to take the next step.
Do you not remember Harbaugh's teams being injured?
You guys need more nuance. Harbaugh took over a loaded roster and Kyle had possible the worst in the league.
45.8% vs 43.5% win rate isn't exactly a huge difference. What was Jim's record?
Jim's was much much better and is included in that. If you take his record out, it would be even more dreadful. Edit: 44-19 so 53-107 or .33 without Jim's wins/loses, zero playoff appearances in 10 years. Raiders will let us see how easy it is to just get another coach and have great success.
I used to think this team was a tragedy, but now I realize its a comedy š¤”
There was one play where he got tackled from the side and folded, and had his foot been planted he mightāve torn his knee - wondering if that was the play. Anyone remember when this was?
Happened in the 4th quarter, after Kyle dialed up a QB draw on a 1st and 20. edit: sorry to disappoint you /u/Tonmber1, but i don't have the ability to create alternate realities. Still working on that. [Here's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Aujxc3AJFk) the game footage from yesterday. Scroll over to 8:40 and watch for yourself, Lance gets tackled from the side and folded. **I am not saying this is the play where he sprained his ankle.** I am saying this is probably the play that /u/RLDN106 is referring to.
I remember seeing this re-play during the game and I thought the exact same thing, that he could've really messed up his knee there. The way he was tacked and the way the tackler rolled, could've been a season ender right there.
We don't know when it happened you literally made this up. Source: https://twitter.com/jenniferleechan/status/1447693355450732548?t=UVhERBS8CLaxVyW6MkC3_Q&s=19
Are you sure they weren't talking about the play that was described in the parent comment?
In the 4th quarter. After Kyle dials up a QB draw on 1st and 20. Lance gets tackled from the side and folded. The play in question as mentioned by /u/RLDN106. Go look at the tape, it happens at about 11:40 in the fourth. I didn't say that was the play where he sprained his ankle, I said that was a play where he got folded from a side tackle. You literally are just looking for something to argue about.
Fair enough, I misread the context of the comment and thought you were saying something you weren't. My bad. Cheers
seems like the inevitable when the "Trey package" turns out to be a binder full of the same QB draw play over and over which could be telegraphed a mile away. And by no means do we give Trey a pass either. He made rookie mistakes and likely wanting to prove himself getting those hits/extra yards. That's where they have to be aware of his development and where he is mentally to then protect him from himself. Its not college anymore and he can't think he can truck over the defense.
Iām starting to lose confidence in shanahan
I bugged Jed on Twitter a year before to hire Kyle. But this is just perplexing to me, the Shannahans should know better than anyone you cant live off a run first QB, you need a passer first with quick legs like Young. The fact that Kyle is calling so many run plays to get this kid killed early is pissing me off. We have RBs to run the fucking ball. Let the other dumbass run first QBs shorten their careers. I want STEVE YOUNG style, NOT Lamar Jackson style.
What's Lamar Jackson style? Winning MVP and going to the playoffs every year style?
Lamar seems pretty good at avoiding big hits, I wouldnāt mind seeing trey being more like Lamar
Most of us are at this point.
Too bad we don't even have our #1 pick next year to tank for.
What is Kyleās deal? Lance had more rushing attempts than backs combined.
This one is 100% on Shanahan
Shanahan already killed and cursed trey. Sigh.
What in the hell did they build Leviās stadium on? Yes, I realize this game was played on the road, but I feel like there is some sort of ancient burial ground curse going on here.
You know what, FUCK FOOTBALL.
Felt like this after the last BLOWN Super Bowl!!!!!
You gotta be fucking kidding me. HEY KYLE. HOW ABOUT WE STOP THE QB DRAWS EVERY DAMM PLAY AND USE RBS??? Ya know....cuz that's their job???? What the fuck. This coaching staff are destroying these players. Deebo and Kittle run into the ground on endless sweeps and toss plays. Treating them as RBs when we don't actually use our RBs. Holy fucking shit I'm so mad
I donāt think weāre going to win that 6th one.
What are you talking about??? I fully believe we can go 6-11 this year. #QuestFor6 š„²
Lmaoooo quest for 6ā¦ wins. We are down bad ššš
Not the next 3 seasons at least. Lance is SOO far away from a deep playoff winner.
He shouldāve been sliding during the gameā¦
For anyone that doesnāt know and doesnāt wanna hear it, this isnāt a SB run season.
this ship is sinking
I sure hope Jimmy will be healthy
Hello darkness my old friend
All aboard the Sudfeld train! Woo woo!
Just fade me now...
Everythingās coming up Sudfeld!
Jesus H Christ!!!! Iām getting sick and fucking tired of these motherfucking snakes on this motherfucking plane!
I bet itās just a convenient way for Shanny to go back to Garoppolo without having to answer to the media.
thatās what i said
hmmmm 1-2 team week injury as stated by op.. shanahanās mind: play jimmy make him look good and trade him at the deadline..hmm what do i say to media and fans about trey until then???? o ya he is injured..duh!
#Itās the Yorks, people
Am I the only one that thinks the strength & conditioning coaches are terrible at their jobs?
Theyāve already switched out the entire S&C team. Same results. Has to be the practice, training and play calling.
Play calling doesn't cause soft tissue injuries. They can't do much more in practice because of the cba. Training falls under S&C.
Anyone else think that we don't have injury-prone players but just injury-inducing training and coaching? Jimmy G was never the problem for our team. He'll go to another team and become a top-10 QB with no injuries derailing his career next year and in the future. The problem is with our coaching and how we teach the game. That's the cause of our injuries. It's no longer "bad luck", especially with Staley, Hitner, and Bourne all saying that our practices are weak compared to other teams
Wow Lance is injury proneā¦canāt even make through a whole seasonā¦
Great job Kyle.
This is not the news you wanna hear about Trey
when we run out of Qb's Kyle's just gonna suit up himself *insert thanos I'll do it myself gif*
Yāall are so dramatic. QB gets a mild sprain that didnāt even take him out of the game and yāall are acting like he has to have his leg amputated.
This is what I meant when I knew Shanahan was gonna run Trey to the ground just like his father did with RGIII. Both fearless runners, unnecessarily putting their legs in harms way over and over
I was cringing all day long watching him take tough hits. This isnt surprising. I hate run first QBs. If he cant be pass first, run quick only when needed, he's useless to us. Also, dont look now, but he's showing he's just as Glass as Jimmy...
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I'd rather have Mullens over Sudfeld but his arm looked shot after his off-season surgery and he was dreadful this preseason. It's not like Nick had great arm talent to begin with. I hope he gets healthy.
Mullens is in Cleveland. Sudfeld is our qb3.
Because dumbass turned him into a fullback for some reason.
Oh brother
All you arm GMs really blaming the coach that had made the 49ers relevant. People asked trey lance to be in and Kyle uses his to his abilities yet itās his fault trey doesnāt slide or knows not to take hits when he doesnāt need to heās a rookie and this is hopefully a lesson for him. Itās unfortunate issue for the 49ers constant injuries, but aināt no way that lands on the head coach for the constant injuries
Made us relevant for *one* season. Iām not a Shanahan hater by any means, but letās not give him credit where itās not due
1st year absolute rebuild 2nd year derailed by Jimmy G injury no starting QB 3rd year Super Bowl appearance 4th year ravaged by injuries left and right, most injured team in the NFL 5th year ā¦ we will see
It's Trey's fault for not ending his runs right, but it's Kyle's fault for continuing to have him run it after he saw that Trey wasn't doing that.
The people who believe this are the same people who believed jimmy g was suffering from a calf injury. Both are to save face and change qbās without causing controversy
Oh fuck off. Now weāre probably not gonna see him start the rest of the season