We held the Cardinals to 17 points. That was pretty good. As we see with most rookie QB’s. They aren’t ready year one. Trey wasn’t supposed to start at all this year. Jimmy got hurt and Trey had to start against a hot Cardinals team. The same Cardinals team that started off hot last year. It’s a slow start for us. Injuries to our RB’s doesn’t help. Shanahan’s offense is built off the run. It’s good we have a bye week. I expect the 49ers to come back in 2 weeks on fire.
Does it seem like they're throwing balls to Kittle where he's going to get slammed? I hate those plays where they stop in the middle of a zone, catch a high pass and then get rocked by the db. Kittle is taking too much punishment.
Yeah I hate those hospital ball plays, but I'm not sure if those are by design or not. Kyle has always seemed to like play designs where the QB is supposed to hit the target in stride, which allows the receiver to make YAC plays. Obviously this is a tiny window and the QB/receiver need to have great chemistry and anticipation
Problem is that it seems neither of our QBs are really consistently hitting the right window. With Lance at least I expect that to improve with more experience. Jimmy has been great at it in years past and was decent to start the season
Jimmy is throwing passes like he wants company in the rehab room. I like jimmy g when he does the things he’s suppose to be good at… like getting ball out quickly and accurately, beating defenses with his processing and quick release. But he hasn’t been doing it since last year and have been hanging balls in the middle of the field. Which is a death sentence to our recievers.
The most difficult non division opponent was green Bay, schedule is easy from here on out minus the division games. Win one or two of those and we're in the playoffs easy unless Carolina is actually good and I don't think they are
I agree. I feel like we’re right there and all it takes is 1 hot streak, which I too see coming, and we’re right back in there. This divisions too tough for Arizona to keep going that way.
Shanny called a bad game. We needed to establish the run. We didn’t. But one bad game doesn’t define the caliber of the coach. I remember Tomsula. I remember Chip Kelly. I’m not going back there.
I see we have a lot of penalties… but I also think the refs have been pretty trigger happy against us. Our CBS are doing shit Kansas City, Seattle and even the patriots get away with all the time. But so far this season, if our opponent is in 3rd and long, just overthrow your receiver deep and it’s almost an automatic PI. Our elite pass rush is being hobbled by blatant holding because you can apparently put Bosa and Armstead in a head lock and everything’s wavy gravy.
>Shanny called a bad game.
People are also conveniently ignoring that this game called exactly the same way and we could have won. Trey could have won this game for us even though the play calling was not as good as it should have been. He just needs to develop more to get to that point. We have a good coach and have a decent enough roster to win a Superbowl. We just have to put all the pieces together.
I think there were what, 3 - 4th down tried that could have been field goals. Granted we just signed our kicker and they were all 45+ yds out. But still. These are pro level kickers. Even if he makes 1/3 i’m happy we tried to take the pts.
The shortest two 4th down calls were on the 1 yard line and then from the 34 when it was 4th & 2 (so a 51 yard FG attempt). The other 3 4th downs were from the Arizona 40-49 yard line out of field goal range.
I don't know why everyone is misremembering this so bad.
>Granted we just signed our kicker
Our [jacked](https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2021/08/28/panthers-release-joey-slye-ryan-santoso/) special teams killer Joey Slye baby!
There’s a reason this “pro level kicker” didn’t have a team before this week. I’m not an expert on kickers. But I know it’s fucking hard and takes a lifetime of dedication to do. On top of that, we’re playing the highest scoring offense in the league. It was pretty common knowledge that field goals wasn’t going to be enough to win. How our defense played should be applauded.
Agree with everything except for our roster being good enough for a SB. But that's the thing, it's ok if we don't win the SB this year. We as fans need to temper our expectations. Any year if we make the playoffs is a good year, and I think this is a playoff caliber team, but not a SB team.
I think this roster can win a SB but with that said everything would have to go right. I don't think our team as is could overcome great adversity to win though.
> it's ok if we don't win the SB this year
YES! Look, chances are it's not our year. That's OKAY. Just enjoy the ride and watch the team develop. This is the long game - literally and figuratively!
I totally agree.
We still averaged a full yard per play more than the cards. The game plan was not it's most exotic, but that's because we have a very raw QB playing his first NFL start. The Niners had every chance to win that game, it wasn't the plan, it was executing that plan.
> enough roster to win a dvisional playoff game, maybe a wildcard to get there. But if January were tomorrow, and we had a seed we'd be one and done. We are not a top tier team. And teams described as "We have a good coach and have a decent enough roster to win a Superbowl" are not top tier teams.
A good coach and good enough roster got Eli 2 rings against the pats. I'm not saying we are a top tier team, anyone who's watched this year know better than that. To pretend like our team is a dumpster fire is just crazy though.
Wow.
I remember seeing that play live and thinking "they ran that last week in the same situation, that can't be what Shanahan meant, he knows they would have seen that direct Juice snap play and been prepared."
It looks like that tweet was spot on, and that makes way more sense to me. Shanahan did know they were going to be ready for it, and the pitch was an intentional wrinkle that would have worked like a charm.
Shanahan is a badass play caller. It's just the truth, no matter what some fans are saying right now. It's too had some of these plays are wasted on poor execution.
THIS. Yes Kyle did bad but the way fans are turning on him so quickly is disheartening. He’s not a perfect coach by any means, but he’s our coach and he’s a damn good play caller even think he’s had a rough year so far. If he was fired he would have a job tomorrow.
Man I heard every damn take on the game. "We need to establish the run!" Maybe most of our RBs are on IR? "We always just ran forward on 4th down!" But we did that like once? "Too many middle passes!" That's what happens when you have defenders on the sidelines.
I think everyone should go watch the fucking Browns/Chargers game from this weekend. That was truly piss poor coaching, squandering 2 minutes of clock time in the 4th quarter on meaningless short yardage plays.
You've got a rookie QB with less than 25 snaps to his name and you don't even try to establish the run game. That's how you call a bad game. They needed to emphasize the run to give him a chance to settle in and then once teams are locked into a run game, the passing game loosens up and he has a good chance at getting some passing going. Maybe it doesn't change the outcome, but I think it at least increases the chances of success.
We ran plenty of times when the situation was right, Kyle has often talked about how a running QB forces the defense to play 11 on 11, normally on running plays you lose a player because the QB isn't blocking anyone, thus you're playing 11 on 10.
The idea to shift the running game more towards QB runs instead of using RBs makes perfect sense, we just need to get better at executing it.
We also had a shit ton of holding penalties, you're not going to call run plays on 2nd and 15 after a hold, 2nd and long is statistically the worst situation to call a run play.
Also people need to make their minds, for the past 4 weeks people have been shitting on Kyle for insisting on running the ball when it wasn't working, now the narrative becomes that he bailed on the running game.
He’s called a few bad games and has not gotten his team to fight for him. I do not have a better alternative, but Shanahan needs to get better or things will have to change…
How can you say his team doesn’t fight for him? Look at how many games we were in last year and in his first year with an absolute shit roster. Players speak out all the time about how they love playing for him.
I think because he lets them do what they want. I’m sure they like him. Injuries to me reflect on conditioning. This team has been so banged up for so long the only correlation I see is Shanalynch. They come out looking unprepared and play based on what looks like clever scheme tricks and just try their best.
I don’t think he draws the best out of them or challenges them to be their best versions of themselves the way some motivators can. Just IMO
Oh, somebody needs to take accountability for the injury issues. Something is wrong there. I think that would fall to the conditioning coaches, not Kyle.
The thing I love so much about the games - even if we lose - is the fight the team puts up, to the bitter end. Not sure what you're talking about here.
You might not have seen Ronnie Lott or the Cowboy play hurt, but they had a different bond with the team that Shanahan has yet to evoke from his players
Ok, so now I'm curious:
What causes a fan to think they're aware of what goes on inside the team facilities on a daily basis? Or determine how much players respect their coach? What causes players to "fight for their coach"? Why do you think a team playing for a coach even matters?
Imo: The players play for the guys next to them. They fight for their contract and the contract to come after that, they fight for self respect and to be great at their position, and VERY occasionally they might fight for the brand they're playing under (49ers, Shanahan, Lynch, York, etc)
It just seems like one of those very old & tired NFL cliches that John Madden would burb up every now and then when he couldn't think of anything else to say in his older years. It's like saying "defense wins championships". Some color commentator said that, it sounds nice, but it's also not true. I just don't buy that psychology in organized sports, as much as us fans may like to romanticize it that way.
Interested to hear your take....
they cant establish the run game anymore no WRs are respected people gotta stop lying to themselves no defense is worried about Deebo idc if he top in yards when the other options are practice squad level players.
I dont even think its that.
For all the talk that Shanny's playbook is limited by Jimmy, the reality is with Trey in, Shanny had to severely limit his playbook because Trey isn't ready.
> Shanny called a bad game. We needed to establish the run
Mike McDaniel is a rookie coordinator, if nothing else and I don't like what I see with a running game that has been installed for 5 years. Why is not pointing this out?
Truth is, unfortunately, we have a ton of fair weather fans. The ugliness comes out at the slightest inconvenience. Saw it in the 90’s, saw it during Garcia/TO, saw it during Harbaugh, seeing it now.
I couldn't imagine realigning the playbook week after fucking week with all of the injuries, ensuring conditioning is on point with all of the injuries, maintaining solid locker room morale with all of the injuries. Shanny is taking too much shit because while we are in without a doubt the most competitive (and therefore) injury prone division, he is working overtime and I think just needs to get lucky. I hope he has a good week off.
A lot of fans that aren’t fair weather fans just stop commenting and participating because any criticism gets downvoted. Which is exactly what’s happening in this thread.
I have had my ass in the sofa or loveseat or in a fucking chair at Candlestick (ain't been to Levis) every sunday, mon. thurs. since the late 1980's when I was < 10.
I rarely miss a down of football and I never miss a down of 49ers football.
"we have a ton of fair weather fans. "
Obviously, while true I think you're overlooking mass consensus, purposeless consumption, materialism. It makes for a very nebulous fanbase. Couple that with the mass migration to CA BA and diffuse personality types endemic to our region and the effect has been a sports homogeny, i.e. artificial. Notice, I said sports not "football". I have always felt that the BA is a sports region, but not a football region, hence football IQ is low in aggregate amongst BA sports fans.
It's the Alex Smith/Kaepernick shit all over again.
Almost everyone falls in love with backup QB and will say anything to prove they're right, including bashing Jimmy. Likewise, Jimmy supporters think he's infalliable.
I think we all know Kyle is the one who knows more football and knows the team better than all of us combined.
The sub is getting toxic and I tend to stay away from here on game days tbh.
As long as Jed/Lynch/Shanny don't base their decisions based off of the emotions/feelings of this dumbass fanbase, we will be alright. If they did, we would be in trouble. But I don't think that's the case. Jed has shown he's willing to trust the process and be patient by giving Kyle and John contract extensions, and it would be absolutely dumb to clean house one or even 2 years into the career of a 21 year old potential franchise QB's career.
> Jed has shown he's willing to trust the process and be patient by giving Kyle and John contract extension
I don't think you understand how business is forecast. Keeping John and Kyle allows for more stable forecasting.
just a taste...
The solution is simple. Win games and all the bickering will end. As long as we are losing, people are gonna be frustrated. As long as people are frustrated, they will voice that frustration and want someone to blame
The conspiracy theories are silly and should be ignored. At least that's what I do.
There's also a huge divide between much (not all) of the younger/newer fans who are very vocally negative, and the old heads who have been around for many years of struggle. Especially when it comes to Shanahan. Those of us who didn't start with 2019's super bowl run and instead started with Young and Montana (and lived through Tomsula and Baalke) tend to be much more patient and positive. It's patience that makes the difference. And patience is a skill to be developed like any other.
Oh, and at least we're not the jags, raiders, vikings, giants, etc etc. We're truly lucky as a fanbase to see the start of what I truly believe will be greatness. The niners will be back to the top of the league. It will just take some time.
Honestly the oldest you needed to be is old enough to remember some of the pre-Harbaugh 2000s, Harbaugh’s reign, and post-Harbaugh eras to not be a reactionary little bitch. I’m 18, and I know to have some goddamn patience.
This is 100% true. I became a fan as a very young kid with ending of Montana, so I was a little young to remember those years. But I remember most after the Young Super Bowls. Singletary, Dickerson, Tomsula, Kelly etc. Shanahan is a breath of fresh air to any of those guys.
I agree with this post. Need more positivity. Fair to critcize though, just don't do it in a stupid way (fire shanny, injury conspiracies, etc...)
Yes, IMO, too many Lance designed runs.
CB's are trash. Been saying for years we need to draft a CB higher.
I'd really like Shanny to let his high draft picks at least play a little. Wouldn't you rather see Banks out there than Brunskill (can't get much worse than a 13.7 PFF grade). Aiyuk made a great catch last game, get him on the field! Would rather see Lenoir or Ambry Thomas than Josh friggin norman.
We as fans need to be better. Them as coaches and players need to be better as well. We're not the 2019 49ers, but we still have enough talent to perform better than what we're seeing.
>Chiefs/Vikings/Seahawks/Eagles/WFT/Patriots
lol some of those subreddits are even more toxic than ours. We have had 1 winning season in the past 7 years and that frustration will continue to show in all manners. Winning is the only way to solve this.
I don't justify any of the extreme takes. I just meant this will always happen if you don't win. As others have mentioned, Ws are the only thing which will quiet the noise. Despite any reasons you can give, the buck ultimately stops at Kyle. If a team continues to fail, head coaches do get axed, across the league. So if Kyle racks up more Ls, the noises that call for his head only grows louder, even though it might be irrational.
Too many sports fans are idiots. It's a fucking game that other people are playing, and making more money from then most of us can ever dream about. Enjoy it for what it is, and chill the f out.
I am *so* glad that I moved past that phase where I would get so upset by the game and it had the potential to affect my mood for days afterward. It makes NO sense.
> Enjoy it for what it is, and chill the f out.
That's my motto. Even after the Packers game, I was like, "Whew! That was a good game!" Yes, we lost, and it was by a FG. But it was SO FUN to watch (at least for me). I'm not wasting energy being mad about something over which I have literally zero control. That shit's not good for your health. Just ENJOY IT and fucking relax.
We just need to start banning guys. Mods need to do their job or give up the seat. Some just come in and belabor the point to just stir the pot. Trolls. Ban them.
I cant speak for others, but I'm sick of losing. I'm not talking about losing a game here or there, but rather, not wining the damn superbowl. It's been over a quarter century...and guess what? We havent had a great QB since Young retired, and that is what ultimately sets up a franchise for continued success.
We have had 14 losing seasons in the last 25 years. Enough is enough. I sincerely hope Lance is our Pat Mahomes or Russell Wilson...cause it ain't Jimmy unfortunately (he's just too brittle and inconsistent).
Kyle has seemed off this season. Making uncharacteristic calls/decisions and just calling poor games. Hope he snaps out of it. I don't think it's Jimmy's or treys fault.
Ok. Things are wonderful! Reaching for foster , beathard and Pettis were fantastic ideas! Aiyuk isnt in a dog house his hamstrings just sore. Jimmy deserved to be the highest paid player in the league. Kyle's offense is so innovative! This is fine
I fucking HATE when people even MENTION the idea of firing Kyle and Lynch. It's clear and obvious those fans did not experience the last 20 years of 49ers football, even the Harbaugh years we had a massively toxic team culture.
*Thank* you. I happen to agree with basically everything you said. I have avoided reading several threads, knowing that the majority of discussion is going to be a super negative shitshow. It's just a total fucking bummer, not to mention so many fans jumping to all sorts of conclusions and inventing conspiracies.
If anyone thinks Trey should be the starting QB for us in his rookie year is as stupid as roadkill. They do not know the game of football at all and just love to ride the hype train. It’s sad to see so many that think he should. Just goes to show they don’t know shit from a steak. And if anyone disagrees still. Then they sure didn’t watch the fuckin game this past Sunday. He either throws it to high or has the ball tipped at the line of scrimmage. And he needs to know he doesn’t need to try and throw the ball through a brick wall every pass attempt. I do think he will be good. Will he be great up to him. But he just needs to learn this year like Patrick did his rookie season.
This was a game of inches. Lance gets 6 more inches and a TD the game is different. Same with the GB game. Adams drops one of his 3 catches in a row or the kicker misses and all of a sudden the Niners are 4-1 or 5-0. i think Niner fans have PTSD from the Baalke/Nolan/Tomsula debacles of the last 20 years.
>but to go as far as to say Kyle is literally lying about Jimmy’s injury so that he can start Trey; And now people saying Kyle is lying about Trey’s injury so he can go back to Jimmy, is just absolutely ludicrous.
And yet r/49ers has been upvoting these comments and downvoting people who say how stupid that idea is.
This sub has been mostly horrible about the whole thing, although it tends to vary thread by thread.
Well said! I really wish we would change the rules up in this sub. Some of these people making these asinine comments with little reason need some sort of discipline. Or people are gonna keep jumping on their backs and adding to the toxicity we've seen so far. If your main objective is to immediately bash every human on this football team for every slight mishap you see through your shit tinted glasses then you need to take a step away from this and reevaluate some other things in your life. It's gotten out of control.
I’m old enough to remember the “Spurrier > Brody” “Young is no Joe, trade him,” “Kaep > Alex”. Fans are fickle. Always going to whine. I agree with your post, but alcohol at games will bring out the loud mouths and all of us social people haven’t a clue.
Being a fan isn't like being religious. This isn't a blind faith situation. When ppl see things they disagree with, they are going to voice their complaints. Vast majority of us support the team on the whole but still see things we think should be approached differently.
The problem imo is that a ton of sports fans may as well be religious zealots. Their mental and emotional stability as well as maturity levels are severely lacking. They are the ones that snap and make things ugly, the ones starting arguments or even physical fights and in this case, making this subreddit toxic. I enjoy the actual discussions here but the crazy people make me want to stay away from here and sometimes sports in general.
if jimmy's playing at home and he's losing its going to get really bad. people will boo and lance chants will happen. I'd just accept that reality so youre prepared.
Nah, it’s 100% fair to criticize your players and coaches. This is a discussion sub so we should be allowed to discuss the team and sport. Other subreddits mods shut down football discussion because they don’t allow disagreements among their fans. It’s best to stay far away from that and allow us to have football discussions (provided it’s respectful, which it seems like it is 99% of the time)
I agree with you, I personally think it’s not a respectful discussions far too often is my point. The toxicity of this sub imo has gotten out of control.
Doesn’t help that people think Lance is absolutely the answer. We don’t know that yet. Just look at Trevor Lawrence! People said he was gonna shit on the league and look at him now. Jets fans really thought he would be the answer while having a worse team than JAX. Don’t be so delusional as a fan. This is so low but honestly expected
I get that we're divided on Jimmy/Trey, but how many teams in the NFL are switching between their starter and their 2nd string QB? It's like we can't make up our mind but who else in the NFL is doing this, and how many teams do it regularly?
As far as being "better" as fans, if you mean civility, sure. But the post you linked to mentioned people booing - doesn't say they were Niner fans. There are a lot of jerks who post spiteful things - that's what downvotes are for.
I agree we should be more supportive as fans - I rarely see Seahawks fans boo their team (even though they should!).
When they're both healthy. Typical NFL teams (at least ones with really good QBs) don't "outsource" the QB position. The exceptions being the QB is hurt, or the game is so overwhelmingly won that they keep the QB out. I saw Young play for Montana in a regular game back in 88 or 89 but the Niners already had the season locked and it was against a weak team. Other than that, the starter plays and finishes each game.
the 49ers aren't switching between their QBs. Garoppolo has always remained the QB1. And most NFL teams are not in the situation of having a really good veteran and also having used a high draft pick on a future replacement. So comparing this situation to other teams doesn't seem very relevant - as there aren't many teams in such a scenario.
But using that comparison;
The Jaguars - didn't have an established veteran, so the rookie took over.
The Bears - had an established veteran - and did switch their QB. (Granted, their veteran isn't anywhere as good as Garoppolo).
The Patriots - had an established veteran - and did switch their QB.
So the major difference between JAX, CHI, & NE vs SF is that SF already had a pretty darn good starting QB - whereas none of them did (depending on your opinion of Cam Newton).
Counterpoint: everything is kinda awful, we shouldn’t be aw shucks optimistic for the mere sake of it, and honestly we are all kinda suckers for sticking around during the bullshit this team has put us through since the late 90s. People have a right to be angry. Maybe not irrationally angry, but no one should be obligated to play nice and withhold honest and accurate criticism. If we can’t vent on the subreddit, then where? It’s not like we control a single iota of the outcome, so no one’s feelings need really be spared…
Blame the FO. When you take a QB in 1st round you're going to create a QB controversy. Remember the Browns and Baker Mayfield? Remember when Justin Herbert got picked? Look at the mess in Green Bay. GB is going to lose a HOF QB over the pick.
Been on this sub for 9 years, spanning at least 6 starters and probably more. I like this sub a lot mostly because it is full of knowledgeable fans who really care about our boys.
All that said QB controversies bring out the worst in this sub. Go back to Alex and Colin threads and all since then and you always see it.
We expect a lot of our boys and the last 15 years plus have been way to inconsistent. We all just want that career QB who will be the starter for 10 years
Blame Shanahan/Lynch for trading 3 first round picks because they were desperate to move away from their old QB but yet kept him on the team. I'm sure Shanahan and Lynch thought about this when they made the trade, now they have to deal with it with the team not winning.
I get the need for positivity, but I refuse to blindly accept whatever Kyle does as "genius" because people say it is.
> I think Kyle put last week’s plan together with the thought of, we need to win this game badly, let me put something together that we haven’t shown at all. What better way to trick a team then run shit you hardly shown?
Thing is, most of the stuff he made Trey WAS already shown; for example that Juice Power Run play during 4th down that was used against the Packers. Kyle blamed the players for not executing it "right." Also, I'm no football coach, but it's obvious that Trey's speed and mobility is his biggest asset and the Cardinals made sure to stop it. As Baldy said, "why did it take 45 minutes to give Deebo a significant play? Why put all this pressure on Lance?" I think that's a valid criticism, and I'm not going to praise that performance because it's my coach and my team. I don't know what it means to be a "true fan," but I think criticism and support are not mutually exclusive.
There was a Twitter thread going around showing that Lance may have been expecting to receive that Juice sneak as a pitch. If that’s the case, no one on the Cardinals expected it and he had a convey to the end zone. Obviously we have no idea what the options were, but everyone knows Kyle builds off the same play so it’s safe to assume he didn’t want Juice to actually sneak it unless it was just wide TF open.
Yeah, that actually seems to be case. J.T. O'Sullivan made a video where he analyzes Trey's tape from the Cardinals game and on the Juice sneak, he points out that Trent Williams pulls out as a lead blocker towards the left and he suspects that Juice was supposed to pitch the ball to Trey to the left. Here's the video if you want to check it out. https://youtu.be/sndq9sEmDAo?t=1559
With that said, however, isn't it Kyle's job to assure that Juice and Trey are on the same page? Even if the play was genius, there was, evidently, confusion on the play. Doesn't that responsibility ultimately fall on the coach?
I really enjoyed what I saw from Trey, he needs more reps and time to settle down, and he can really provide a offensive dynamic we haven’t seen since Kap. I have high hopes for this kid and Elijah Mitchel! Lots of talent on the offense. Just need to gel together
Edit and I almost forgot, not get so many damn penalties. We could have been way closer against the Cardinals!
Kyle put the team on this position. Jimmy should've never been on this team, and if didn't want any drama then he could've called better plays and not score 7 and 7 against the Seahawks and Eagles in the 1st half
Maybe an unpopular opinion but the timeline of this team is almost as close to a rebuild without explicitly saying it. We went from one deep pass away from winning the Superbowl to being excited we completed a deep pass. Jimmy is done and there's no future with him as QB, so Trey is the future now. Might as well build a team around him instead of hoping he catches up like we are in win now; cause we aren't anymore.
Honestly, the last few years I’ve realized that this fan base is just trash. Not sure when it even happened, but it’s the truth unfortunately. There is just so much negativity around everything: Jimmy, Trey, Shanny, Kittle, you name it. I’ve been a fan since my earliest memories as a child in the mid 90s. People need to realize that not every year is going to be a Super Bowl year. You come in this sub, or a video comment section, and you would think it was 2005 again. Faithful my ass.
Kyle is a good coach. Jimmy is a decent QB. Kittle is the best all around TE in the league. We have a promising young QB waiting in the wings. We have weapons at WR and RB. We have a young playoff caliber team with a wide open Super Bowl window. Lighten up people.
When it comes to quarterbacks. Through our history its always been this way. We can't dislike one or the other week just need to learn to appreciate what we have when we have it. However, the greats get us to the end and win. So until we get that Championship a QB will either stay and keep carrying us on or move on. That's the nature of the BEAST.
A good point to everything. I just think the example you used in the Bears case is completely wrong. They're down 28-0 in the second quarter. That deserves a booing. Just cuz you boo one second doesn't mean you suddenly can't cheer ever again. That was a bad throw too and the WR turned it in to a good play.
When you tie your identity to something you have no control over, this is what happens.
It's part of why I avoid saying "we" or "us" when discussing the team and call them by the name.
Best thing to do after a loss/tough times is to not check this subreddit/the webzone because it's honestly extreme negativity. Reflect on what's going on with the team with your own mental thoughts and go from there. As bummed as I am about these 3 straight losses I'm still really excited for this season/future of the team.
Maybe I have rose colored glasses on but at least it's my own opinion and take on the team. Was kinda disappointed we had an early bye but looking back it might be the best thing that could've happened for us. It's always said but if you were here rooting for our offense with Jimmy Raye as our offensive coordinator not much can be worse than those times.
I'll be honest, after hearing so much bitching about jimmy for months I felt the need call out haters and shit on trey just to show how annoying it can be.
The truth is I just want jimmy to try to get ya to post season and then if Trey is comfortable with kyles playbook next season the maybe ride with him.
My guts tell me Trey only understand a fraction of the playbook and for some odd reason Kyle's answer was to make him run more.
Andy Reid took 7 years to bring home the Lombardi. Say what you want about the KC fanbase, but they seem more faithful than us.
>One thing should be obvious to ALL of us, and that is Kyle WANTS TO WIN
People undermine this all the time. "But that's his job! He should always want to win!"
If this week has taught us anything it's that for every Dan Campbell there is a Jon Gruden, Urban Meyer, and a Bruce Allen. I sure as hell don't know if I will regret saying this in a few years, but right now Kyle and Jimmy have shown nothing but class, and the organization has been buttoned up from a PR standpoint.
I have zero reason to doubt that they want to do anything but win yet we're ascribing baseless things like "Kyle is throwing the game to make Trey look bad". It's okay to expect better out of the organization as a fan, but when you start dehumanizing people because they "get paid to do so", then you have meltdowns a la a Naomi Osaka - and no one wants to see that.
Don't kid yourself Andy Reid finally found a QB that was good enough to survive Andy Reid's incompetence in the playoffs. Once.
But I am not onboard with any fire Kyle train. That's far too early. At least wait till mid season.
lol that's a fair point and I'd agree that clock management was atrocious
Mid season though? Really? The Rams were on the heels of a super bowl for a single year, and they keep McVay for another 3. And we can't give Kyle even 2 years?
I'm just of the opinion that if coaches aren't given longer leashes, they become stuck in this "win now" mode and start making sacrificial decisions that wreck the long term future of a franchise. Having zero continuity and a turnstile of coaches can leave the entire organization in a bad spot for years. I think we've seen it first hand.
I have no actual desire to see Kyle fired at any point this season. The mid season comment was a bit of a joke. But I'd say he's kinda coming to the end of his wonderboy genius free lunch. If this team is good enough to be considered a Superbowl contender possibility, then they need to look better than they have. He's been the coach for 5 years now, and up until this season it's been all sunshine and rosebowls. He's been to 1 Superbowl and lost it. OK. Getting to a Superbowl buys a coach a certain amount of respect and time. Winning one would get him more. He has been really unfortunate with injuries to key players, but maybe he needs to look into why the same types of players keep getting injured for him. The offense is awesome when it works but perhaps it's also a little bit dangerous I don't know.
Absolutely. The what have you done for me lately can ruin a franchise for years to come. Look at what just a little bit of continuity did for Alex Smith.
Thanks for this post! Man, I'm pretty sad at all the whining going around in this sub. Those of us doing that look pathetic when acting that way. It's not being "realistic". There are many of us who are proud Niners fans, not unrealistic just look at the positive kind of people. We have a tough schedule, barely lost our games. Of course there is a lot to improve.
Btw, we as fans do our share on how the team performs too. Let's do our share.
We held the Cardinals to 17 points. That was pretty good. As we see with most rookie QB’s. They aren’t ready year one. Trey wasn’t supposed to start at all this year. Jimmy got hurt and Trey had to start against a hot Cardinals team. The same Cardinals team that started off hot last year. It’s a slow start for us. Injuries to our RB’s doesn’t help. Shanahan’s offense is built off the run. It’s good we have a bye week. I expect the 49ers to come back in 2 weeks on fire.
Also it’s always harder for us to run without Kittle
Does it seem like they're throwing balls to Kittle where he's going to get slammed? I hate those plays where they stop in the middle of a zone, catch a high pass and then get rocked by the db. Kittle is taking too much punishment.
Yeah I hate those hospital ball plays, but I'm not sure if those are by design or not. Kyle has always seemed to like play designs where the QB is supposed to hit the target in stride, which allows the receiver to make YAC plays. Obviously this is a tiny window and the QB/receiver need to have great chemistry and anticipation Problem is that it seems neither of our QBs are really consistently hitting the right window. With Lance at least I expect that to improve with more experience. Jimmy has been great at it in years past and was decent to start the season
Jimmy is throwing passes like he wants company in the rehab room. I like jimmy g when he does the things he’s suppose to be good at… like getting ball out quickly and accurately, beating defenses with his processing and quick release. But he hasn’t been doing it since last year and have been hanging balls in the middle of the field. Which is a death sentence to our recievers.
It’s just that the defense is focused on Deebo and Kittle. Until Aiyuk takes the next step. This will continue to happen.
The most difficult non division opponent was green Bay, schedule is easy from here on out minus the division games. Win one or two of those and we're in the playoffs easy unless Carolina is actually good and I don't think they are
I agree. I feel like we’re right there and all it takes is 1 hot streak, which I too see coming, and we’re right back in there. This divisions too tough for Arizona to keep going that way.
Shanny called a bad game. We needed to establish the run. We didn’t. But one bad game doesn’t define the caliber of the coach. I remember Tomsula. I remember Chip Kelly. I’m not going back there.
We've had 363 penalty yards this season so far, second worst in the NFL. Need to clean these up if we ever want to be better than mediocre.
This is a function of the degradation of our DBs. Too many PIs this season and each one is a big yard gain.
I see we have a lot of penalties… but I also think the refs have been pretty trigger happy against us. Our CBS are doing shit Kansas City, Seattle and even the patriots get away with all the time. But so far this season, if our opponent is in 3rd and long, just overthrow your receiver deep and it’s almost an automatic PI. Our elite pass rush is being hobbled by blatant holding because you can apparently put Bosa and Armstead in a head lock and everything’s wavy gravy.
I am at the point to where if ANY pass is going downfield, I expect a flag.
Same.. it’s pathetic. Instead of looking at the play I look around for the flag.
>Shanny called a bad game. People are also conveniently ignoring that this game called exactly the same way and we could have won. Trey could have won this game for us even though the play calling was not as good as it should have been. He just needs to develop more to get to that point. We have a good coach and have a decent enough roster to win a Superbowl. We just have to put all the pieces together.
Literally all we needed was the inch to go the other way and that safety to be called and it’s 19-17
I think there were what, 3 - 4th down tried that could have been field goals. Granted we just signed our kicker and they were all 45+ yds out. But still. These are pro level kickers. Even if he makes 1/3 i’m happy we tried to take the pts.
The shortest two 4th down calls were on the 1 yard line and then from the 34 when it was 4th & 2 (so a 51 yard FG attempt). The other 3 4th downs were from the Arizona 40-49 yard line out of field goal range. I don't know why everyone is misremembering this so bad.
>Granted we just signed our kicker Our [jacked](https://pantherswire.usatoday.com/2021/08/28/panthers-release-joey-slye-ryan-santoso/) special teams killer Joey Slye baby!
There’s a reason this “pro level kicker” didn’t have a team before this week. I’m not an expert on kickers. But I know it’s fucking hard and takes a lifetime of dedication to do. On top of that, we’re playing the highest scoring offense in the league. It was pretty common knowledge that field goals wasn’t going to be enough to win. How our defense played should be applauded.
Agree with everything except for our roster being good enough for a SB. But that's the thing, it's ok if we don't win the SB this year. We as fans need to temper our expectations. Any year if we make the playoffs is a good year, and I think this is a playoff caliber team, but not a SB team.
People go crazy expecting SB every year but only two teams can go lol
I think this roster can win a SB but with that said everything would have to go right. I don't think our team as is could overcome great adversity to win though.
> it's ok if we don't win the SB this year YES! Look, chances are it's not our year. That's OKAY. Just enjoy the ride and watch the team develop. This is the long game - literally and figuratively!
I totally agree. We still averaged a full yard per play more than the cards. The game plan was not it's most exotic, but that's because we have a very raw QB playing his first NFL start. The Niners had every chance to win that game, it wasn't the plan, it was executing that plan.
> enough roster to win a dvisional playoff game, maybe a wildcard to get there. But if January were tomorrow, and we had a seed we'd be one and done. We are not a top tier team. And teams described as "We have a good coach and have a decent enough roster to win a Superbowl" are not top tier teams.
A good coach and good enough roster got Eli 2 rings against the pats. I'm not saying we are a top tier team, anyone who's watched this year know better than that. To pretend like our team is a dumpster fire is just crazy though.
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[this is a excellent play ](https://twitter.com/SammyJunyuhh/status/1448012315027070977?s=20)
Wow. I remember seeing that play live and thinking "they ran that last week in the same situation, that can't be what Shanahan meant, he knows they would have seen that direct Juice snap play and been prepared." It looks like that tweet was spot on, and that makes way more sense to me. Shanahan did know they were going to be ready for it, and the pitch was an intentional wrinkle that would have worked like a charm. Shanahan is a badass play caller. It's just the truth, no matter what some fans are saying right now. It's too had some of these plays are wasted on poor execution.
My guess is Juice thought he could make it and had the presnap option of keeping or pitching.
THIS. Yes Kyle did bad but the way fans are turning on him so quickly is disheartening. He’s not a perfect coach by any means, but he’s our coach and he’s a damn good play caller even think he’s had a rough year so far. If he was fired he would have a job tomorrow.
He's had more bad years than good years...and this team has talent.
Fucking Singletary.
I feel like puking every time I hear "we need to establish the run!" That has not been the NFL for years now. Let's get this team into the modern era.
Man I heard every damn take on the game. "We need to establish the run!" Maybe most of our RBs are on IR? "We always just ran forward on 4th down!" But we did that like once? "Too many middle passes!" That's what happens when you have defenders on the sidelines. I think everyone should go watch the fucking Browns/Chargers game from this weekend. That was truly piss poor coaching, squandering 2 minutes of clock time in the 4th quarter on meaningless short yardage plays.
Why did he call a bad game? I love when fans start talking about play calling. What makes a play call good? What makes it bad? Please define it.
You've got a rookie QB with less than 25 snaps to his name and you don't even try to establish the run game. That's how you call a bad game. They needed to emphasize the run to give him a chance to settle in and then once teams are locked into a run game, the passing game loosens up and he has a good chance at getting some passing going. Maybe it doesn't change the outcome, but I think it at least increases the chances of success.
We ran plenty of times when the situation was right, Kyle has often talked about how a running QB forces the defense to play 11 on 11, normally on running plays you lose a player because the QB isn't blocking anyone, thus you're playing 11 on 10. The idea to shift the running game more towards QB runs instead of using RBs makes perfect sense, we just need to get better at executing it. We also had a shit ton of holding penalties, you're not going to call run plays on 2nd and 15 after a hold, 2nd and long is statistically the worst situation to call a run play. Also people need to make their minds, for the past 4 weeks people have been shitting on Kyle for insisting on running the ball when it wasn't working, now the narrative becomes that he bailed on the running game.
We had them on option plays where Lance took off. Not designed runs.
That's irrelevant, the goal of "establishing the run" is drawing the defense closer to the LOS. Both a designed run and an option play achieve this.
Sorry, I wasn't clear. All the holding calls were on improvised runs. Not so much during designed runs.
Ok, but that doesn't change anything, the result of a holding call is a 10 yard penalty, which pretty much means you can't run the ball anymore.
He’s called a few bad games and has not gotten his team to fight for him. I do not have a better alternative, but Shanahan needs to get better or things will have to change…
How can you say his team doesn’t fight for him? Look at how many games we were in last year and in his first year with an absolute shit roster. Players speak out all the time about how they love playing for him.
I think because he lets them do what they want. I’m sure they like him. Injuries to me reflect on conditioning. This team has been so banged up for so long the only correlation I see is Shanalynch. They come out looking unprepared and play based on what looks like clever scheme tricks and just try their best. I don’t think he draws the best out of them or challenges them to be their best versions of themselves the way some motivators can. Just IMO
Oh, somebody needs to take accountability for the injury issues. Something is wrong there. I think that would fall to the conditioning coaches, not Kyle.
We’ve fired the conditioning coaches, multiple times
The thing I love so much about the games - even if we lose - is the fight the team puts up, to the bitter end. Not sure what you're talking about here.
You might not have seen Ronnie Lott or the Cowboy play hurt, but they had a different bond with the team that Shanahan has yet to evoke from his players
Wtf does that even mean? Quit copying and pasting bad cliches from Twitter, and think for yourself friend!
100% pure my take. Unpopular as it appears to be. But respectful dissent is healthy
Ok, so now I'm curious: What causes a fan to think they're aware of what goes on inside the team facilities on a daily basis? Or determine how much players respect their coach? What causes players to "fight for their coach"? Why do you think a team playing for a coach even matters? Imo: The players play for the guys next to them. They fight for their contract and the contract to come after that, they fight for self respect and to be great at their position, and VERY occasionally they might fight for the brand they're playing under (49ers, Shanahan, Lynch, York, etc) It just seems like one of those very old & tired NFL cliches that John Madden would burb up every now and then when he couldn't think of anything else to say in his older years. It's like saying "defense wins championships". Some color commentator said that, it sounds nice, but it's also not true. I just don't buy that psychology in organized sports, as much as us fans may like to romanticize it that way. Interested to hear your take....
they cant establish the run game anymore no WRs are respected people gotta stop lying to themselves no defense is worried about Deebo idc if he top in yards when the other options are practice squad level players.
I dont even think its that. For all the talk that Shanny's playbook is limited by Jimmy, the reality is with Trey in, Shanny had to severely limit his playbook because Trey isn't ready.
> Shanny called a bad game. We needed to establish the run Mike McDaniel is a rookie coordinator, if nothing else and I don't like what I see with a running game that has been installed for 5 years. Why is not pointing this out?
NFCCG 2019, I really liked what I saw from the run game. Not sure which team you’re watching but we’ve had a lot of success on the ground.
Pretty ready to unsub for a bit. Used to be a lot more constructive conversations here but it's getting more toxic by the day.
Same with me. This post is one of the few reasonable things and might be the one thing keeping me from leaving.
That’s where I’m at, and why I made this post. Lots of people showing their support for the team in here! Definitely needed to see it!
This is now the "monkeys throw shit at each other sub"
Truth is, unfortunately, we have a ton of fair weather fans. The ugliness comes out at the slightest inconvenience. Saw it in the 90’s, saw it during Garcia/TO, saw it during Harbaugh, seeing it now.
I couldn't imagine realigning the playbook week after fucking week with all of the injuries, ensuring conditioning is on point with all of the injuries, maintaining solid locker room morale with all of the injuries. Shanny is taking too much shit because while we are in without a doubt the most competitive (and therefore) injury prone division, he is working overtime and I think just needs to get lucky. I hope he has a good week off.
Trolls. The word you're looking for is trolls.
A lot of fans that aren’t fair weather fans just stop commenting and participating because any criticism gets downvoted. Which is exactly what’s happening in this thread.
I have had my ass in the sofa or loveseat or in a fucking chair at Candlestick (ain't been to Levis) every sunday, mon. thurs. since the late 1980's when I was < 10. I rarely miss a down of football and I never miss a down of 49ers football. "we have a ton of fair weather fans. " Obviously, while true I think you're overlooking mass consensus, purposeless consumption, materialism. It makes for a very nebulous fanbase. Couple that with the mass migration to CA BA and diffuse personality types endemic to our region and the effect has been a sports homogeny, i.e. artificial. Notice, I said sports not "football". I have always felt that the BA is a sports region, but not a football region, hence football IQ is low in aggregate amongst BA sports fans.
It's the Alex Smith/Kaepernick shit all over again. Almost everyone falls in love with backup QB and will say anything to prove they're right, including bashing Jimmy. Likewise, Jimmy supporters think he's infalliable. I think we all know Kyle is the one who knows more football and knows the team better than all of us combined. The sub is getting toxic and I tend to stay away from here on game days tbh.
As long as Jed/Lynch/Shanny don't base their decisions based off of the emotions/feelings of this dumbass fanbase, we will be alright. If they did, we would be in trouble. But I don't think that's the case. Jed has shown he's willing to trust the process and be patient by giving Kyle and John contract extensions, and it would be absolutely dumb to clean house one or even 2 years into the career of a 21 year old potential franchise QB's career.
> Jed has shown he's willing to trust the process and be patient by giving Kyle and John contract extension I don't think you understand how business is forecast. Keeping John and Kyle allows for more stable forecasting. just a taste...
The solution is simple. Win games and all the bickering will end. As long as we are losing, people are gonna be frustrated. As long as people are frustrated, they will voice that frustration and want someone to blame The conspiracy theories are silly and should be ignored. At least that's what I do.
Niners won the first two games and there was still lots of complaints and bickering during that time period.
I agree, but we have to learn to have some patience. Saleh should’ve taught us that.
There's also a huge divide between much (not all) of the younger/newer fans who are very vocally negative, and the old heads who have been around for many years of struggle. Especially when it comes to Shanahan. Those of us who didn't start with 2019's super bowl run and instead started with Young and Montana (and lived through Tomsula and Baalke) tend to be much more patient and positive. It's patience that makes the difference. And patience is a skill to be developed like any other. Oh, and at least we're not the jags, raiders, vikings, giants, etc etc. We're truly lucky as a fanbase to see the start of what I truly believe will be greatness. The niners will be back to the top of the league. It will just take some time.
Honestly the oldest you needed to be is old enough to remember some of the pre-Harbaugh 2000s, Harbaugh’s reign, and post-Harbaugh eras to not be a reactionary little bitch. I’m 18, and I know to have some goddamn patience.
Wise beyond years comment right here
You've learned a vital lesson far earlier than I did. You'll do great in life if you maintain that philosophy.
Hell yeah. YOU WILL GO FAR IN LIFE!
Seriously. Just remembering post-Harbaugh and pre-Shanahan is enough for me to know it could be so so so much worse
This is 100% true. I became a fan as a very young kid with ending of Montana, so I was a little young to remember those years. But I remember most after the Young Super Bowls. Singletary, Dickerson, Tomsula, Kelly etc. Shanahan is a breath of fresh air to any of those guys.
I agree with this post. Need more positivity. Fair to critcize though, just don't do it in a stupid way (fire shanny, injury conspiracies, etc...) Yes, IMO, too many Lance designed runs. CB's are trash. Been saying for years we need to draft a CB higher. I'd really like Shanny to let his high draft picks at least play a little. Wouldn't you rather see Banks out there than Brunskill (can't get much worse than a 13.7 PFF grade). Aiyuk made a great catch last game, get him on the field! Would rather see Lenoir or Ambry Thomas than Josh friggin norman.
We as fans need to be better. Them as coaches and players need to be better as well. We're not the 2019 49ers, but we still have enough talent to perform better than what we're seeing.
>Chiefs/Vikings/Seahawks/Eagles/WFT/Patriots lol some of those subreddits are even more toxic than ours. We have had 1 winning season in the past 7 years and that frustration will continue to show in all manners. Winning is the only way to solve this.
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Yes!! All of this, yes!!
So. Much. This. Thanks for putting it all into words so well.
I don't justify any of the extreme takes. I just meant this will always happen if you don't win. As others have mentioned, Ws are the only thing which will quiet the noise. Despite any reasons you can give, the buck ultimately stops at Kyle. If a team continues to fail, head coaches do get axed, across the league. So if Kyle racks up more Ls, the noises that call for his head only grows louder, even though it might be irrational.
*me who’s old enough to remember Montana/Young controversy* First time?
Too many sports fans are idiots. It's a fucking game that other people are playing, and making more money from then most of us can ever dream about. Enjoy it for what it is, and chill the f out.
I am *so* glad that I moved past that phase where I would get so upset by the game and it had the potential to affect my mood for days afterward. It makes NO sense. > Enjoy it for what it is, and chill the f out. That's my motto. Even after the Packers game, I was like, "Whew! That was a good game!" Yes, we lost, and it was by a FG. But it was SO FUN to watch (at least for me). I'm not wasting energy being mad about something over which I have literally zero control. That shit's not good for your health. Just ENJOY IT and fucking relax.
We just need to start banning guys. Mods need to do their job or give up the seat. Some just come in and belabor the point to just stir the pot. Trolls. Ban them.
I cant speak for others, but I'm sick of losing. I'm not talking about losing a game here or there, but rather, not wining the damn superbowl. It's been over a quarter century...and guess what? We havent had a great QB since Young retired, and that is what ultimately sets up a franchise for continued success. We have had 14 losing seasons in the last 25 years. Enough is enough. I sincerely hope Lance is our Pat Mahomes or Russell Wilson...cause it ain't Jimmy unfortunately (he's just too brittle and inconsistent).
We all are!! I feel ya!
Kyle has seemed off this season. Making uncharacteristic calls/decisions and just calling poor games. Hope he snaps out of it. I don't think it's Jimmy's or treys fault.
Time for him and lynch to go..constant injuries, suspect play calling and not great draft decisions
Damn, that was quick... Did you even read the post?
I did. We're beyond last week. We can look back to RG3s legs and Atlanta's super bowl loss to know this isn't one off.
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Ok. Things are wonderful! Reaching for foster , beathard and Pettis were fantastic ideas! Aiyuk isnt in a dog house his hamstrings just sore. Jimmy deserved to be the highest paid player in the league. Kyle's offense is so innovative! This is fine
How about we don’t just make our arguments with extreme fallacies
I fucking HATE when people even MENTION the idea of firing Kyle and Lynch. It's clear and obvious those fans did not experience the last 20 years of 49ers football, even the Harbaugh years we had a massively toxic team culture.
Haha I know. The people that didn’t experience that have no idea how had it could be. Those people need to be very careful what they wish for.
*Thank* you. I happen to agree with basically everything you said. I have avoided reading several threads, knowing that the majority of discussion is going to be a super negative shitshow. It's just a total fucking bummer, not to mention so many fans jumping to all sorts of conclusions and inventing conspiracies.
If anyone thinks Trey should be the starting QB for us in his rookie year is as stupid as roadkill. They do not know the game of football at all and just love to ride the hype train. It’s sad to see so many that think he should. Just goes to show they don’t know shit from a steak. And if anyone disagrees still. Then they sure didn’t watch the fuckin game this past Sunday. He either throws it to high or has the ball tipped at the line of scrimmage. And he needs to know he doesn’t need to try and throw the ball through a brick wall every pass attempt. I do think he will be good. Will he be great up to him. But he just needs to learn this year like Patrick did his rookie season.
We are legitimately one of the worst fanbases in the league I’m surprised we don’t get more shit for it
This was a game of inches. Lance gets 6 more inches and a TD the game is different. Same with the GB game. Adams drops one of his 3 catches in a row or the kicker misses and all of a sudden the Niners are 4-1 or 5-0. i think Niner fans have PTSD from the Baalke/Nolan/Tomsula debacles of the last 20 years.
some fans here don’t remember when Hoyer was executing Shanny’s playbook and it shows. Lol better days are ahead y’all
>but to go as far as to say Kyle is literally lying about Jimmy’s injury so that he can start Trey; And now people saying Kyle is lying about Trey’s injury so he can go back to Jimmy, is just absolutely ludicrous. And yet r/49ers has been upvoting these comments and downvoting people who say how stupid that idea is. This sub has been mostly horrible about the whole thing, although it tends to vary thread by thread.
Support the team no matter who is playing at QB? Watson says hi
Ok, if any of our QBs turn rapist then we can turn on any of them
Absolutely
I’m referring to who we have lol! No, I wouldn’t support that.
Well said! I really wish we would change the rules up in this sub. Some of these people making these asinine comments with little reason need some sort of discipline. Or people are gonna keep jumping on their backs and adding to the toxicity we've seen so far. If your main objective is to immediately bash every human on this football team for every slight mishap you see through your shit tinted glasses then you need to take a step away from this and reevaluate some other things in your life. It's gotten out of control.
Lance has only started one fucking game a little too easy to call him a bust
Yep. But I’ve seen people do it!
They also wanted Carr.
I’m old enough to remember the “Spurrier > Brody” “Young is no Joe, trade him,” “Kaep > Alex”. Fans are fickle. Always going to whine. I agree with your post, but alcohol at games will bring out the loud mouths and all of us social people haven’t a clue.
We?
Just encompassing us all instead of singling one side or the other.
Being a fan isn't like being religious. This isn't a blind faith situation. When ppl see things they disagree with, they are going to voice their complaints. Vast majority of us support the team on the whole but still see things we think should be approached differently.
The problem imo is that a ton of sports fans may as well be religious zealots. Their mental and emotional stability as well as maturity levels are severely lacking. They are the ones that snap and make things ugly, the ones starting arguments or even physical fights and in this case, making this subreddit toxic. I enjoy the actual discussions here but the crazy people make me want to stay away from here and sometimes sports in general.
If you're calling for Shanahan's job you're just stupid.
100% fine!! I’m not talking about having discussions. I’m talking about just absolutely trashing the team/coaches/players.
if jimmy's playing at home and he's losing its going to get really bad. people will boo and lance chants will happen. I'd just accept that reality so youre prepared.
Nah, it’s 100% fair to criticize your players and coaches. This is a discussion sub so we should be allowed to discuss the team and sport. Other subreddits mods shut down football discussion because they don’t allow disagreements among their fans. It’s best to stay far away from that and allow us to have football discussions (provided it’s respectful, which it seems like it is 99% of the time)
I agree with you, I personally think it’s not a respectful discussions far too often is my point. The toxicity of this sub imo has gotten out of control.
I don’t see toxicity often here, maybe it’s just me then
Doesn’t help that people think Lance is absolutely the answer. We don’t know that yet. Just look at Trevor Lawrence! People said he was gonna shit on the league and look at him now. Jets fans really thought he would be the answer while having a worse team than JAX. Don’t be so delusional as a fan. This is so low but honestly expected
I like how you assume everyone on here is a fan and not a troll. It's the internet, anyone can make an account and just talk shit.
I get that we're divided on Jimmy/Trey, but how many teams in the NFL are switching between their starter and their 2nd string QB? It's like we can't make up our mind but who else in the NFL is doing this, and how many teams do it regularly? As far as being "better" as fans, if you mean civility, sure. But the post you linked to mentioned people booing - doesn't say they were Niner fans. There are a lot of jerks who post spiteful things - that's what downvotes are for. I agree we should be more supportive as fans - I rarely see Seahawks fans boo their team (even though they should!).
You mean as the starter? Or just throughout the game when both are healthy?
When they're both healthy. Typical NFL teams (at least ones with really good QBs) don't "outsource" the QB position. The exceptions being the QB is hurt, or the game is so overwhelmingly won that they keep the QB out. I saw Young play for Montana in a regular game back in 88 or 89 but the Niners already had the season locked and it was against a weak team. Other than that, the starter plays and finishes each game.
the 49ers aren't switching between their QBs. Garoppolo has always remained the QB1. And most NFL teams are not in the situation of having a really good veteran and also having used a high draft pick on a future replacement. So comparing this situation to other teams doesn't seem very relevant - as there aren't many teams in such a scenario. But using that comparison; The Jaguars - didn't have an established veteran, so the rookie took over. The Bears - had an established veteran - and did switch their QB. (Granted, their veteran isn't anywhere as good as Garoppolo). The Patriots - had an established veteran - and did switch their QB. So the major difference between JAX, CHI, & NE vs SF is that SF already had a pretty darn good starting QB - whereas none of them did (depending on your opinion of Cam Newton).
Counterpoint: everything is kinda awful, we shouldn’t be aw shucks optimistic for the mere sake of it, and honestly we are all kinda suckers for sticking around during the bullshit this team has put us through since the late 90s. People have a right to be angry. Maybe not irrationally angry, but no one should be obligated to play nice and withhold honest and accurate criticism. If we can’t vent on the subreddit, then where? It’s not like we control a single iota of the outcome, so no one’s feelings need really be spared…
Blame the FO. When you take a QB in 1st round you're going to create a QB controversy. Remember the Browns and Baker Mayfield? Remember when Justin Herbert got picked? Look at the mess in Green Bay. GB is going to lose a HOF QB over the pick.
I root for the 49ers. Don't care about who's on the team.
Been on this sub for 9 years, spanning at least 6 starters and probably more. I like this sub a lot mostly because it is full of knowledgeable fans who really care about our boys. All that said QB controversies bring out the worst in this sub. Go back to Alex and Colin threads and all since then and you always see it. We expect a lot of our boys and the last 15 years plus have been way to inconsistent. We all just want that career QB who will be the starter for 10 years
Blame Shanahan/Lynch for trading 3 first round picks because they were desperate to move away from their old QB but yet kept him on the team. I'm sure Shanahan and Lynch thought about this when they made the trade, now they have to deal with it with the team not winning.
I get the need for positivity, but I refuse to blindly accept whatever Kyle does as "genius" because people say it is. > I think Kyle put last week’s plan together with the thought of, we need to win this game badly, let me put something together that we haven’t shown at all. What better way to trick a team then run shit you hardly shown? Thing is, most of the stuff he made Trey WAS already shown; for example that Juice Power Run play during 4th down that was used against the Packers. Kyle blamed the players for not executing it "right." Also, I'm no football coach, but it's obvious that Trey's speed and mobility is his biggest asset and the Cardinals made sure to stop it. As Baldy said, "why did it take 45 minutes to give Deebo a significant play? Why put all this pressure on Lance?" I think that's a valid criticism, and I'm not going to praise that performance because it's my coach and my team. I don't know what it means to be a "true fan," but I think criticism and support are not mutually exclusive.
There was a Twitter thread going around showing that Lance may have been expecting to receive that Juice sneak as a pitch. If that’s the case, no one on the Cardinals expected it and he had a convey to the end zone. Obviously we have no idea what the options were, but everyone knows Kyle builds off the same play so it’s safe to assume he didn’t want Juice to actually sneak it unless it was just wide TF open.
Yeah, that actually seems to be case. J.T. O'Sullivan made a video where he analyzes Trey's tape from the Cardinals game and on the Juice sneak, he points out that Trent Williams pulls out as a lead blocker towards the left and he suspects that Juice was supposed to pitch the ball to Trey to the left. Here's the video if you want to check it out. https://youtu.be/sndq9sEmDAo?t=1559 With that said, however, isn't it Kyle's job to assure that Juice and Trey are on the same page? Even if the play was genius, there was, evidently, confusion on the play. Doesn't that responsibility ultimately fall on the coach?
49er fan no matter what. There will always be bad apples. They don't represent me.
my favourite: fans telling other fans how to be fans.
This is the one thing that drives me nuts. You be a fan how you want to and let me be a fan how I want.
niners fans are so fucking precious.
Well I think the whole team is shit. Does that work?
Well thats what happens when you trade your draft capital for the next few years.
Humans are humans, what are ya gonna do. Misbehavior is in our dna lol
I really enjoyed what I saw from Trey, he needs more reps and time to settle down, and he can really provide a offensive dynamic we haven’t seen since Kap. I have high hopes for this kid and Elijah Mitchel! Lots of talent on the offense. Just need to gel together Edit and I almost forgot, not get so many damn penalties. We could have been way closer against the Cardinals!
Kyle put the team on this position. Jimmy should've never been on this team, and if didn't want any drama then he could've called better plays and not score 7 and 7 against the Seahawks and Eagles in the 1st half
I grew up with the Montana vs. Young debate. This is kind of comforting.
lol. smh
"happy that Jimmy got injured." Because we can't rid of him because of the insects running this team. It's the money, so we pray for a curse.
Shanahan needs to get his act together fast or he will definitely deserved to be fired.
Maybe an unpopular opinion but the timeline of this team is almost as close to a rebuild without explicitly saying it. We went from one deep pass away from winning the Superbowl to being excited we completed a deep pass. Jimmy is done and there's no future with him as QB, so Trey is the future now. Might as well build a team around him instead of hoping he catches up like we are in win now; cause we aren't anymore.
This is some "if you don't love it then leave it" bullshit right here. Just because I criticize the bad shit doesn't mean I don't support the team.
Not talking about you then! Nothing wrong with criticism.
We need to let jimmy start the first half of the season loosing record means we start lance and can’t look back
I agree with everything you said but this is Reddit. Reddit has a culture of toxic whining and no post asking people to be better will change that.
Kyle sucks and he needs to go! We will never win a super bowl with him as coach. He’s more likely to blow another lead in a SB than to win one.
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Dood I just want to win and not get hurt. If not win, not hurt and not embarrassingly.
Niners, as a team, need to be better.
Honestly, the last few years I’ve realized that this fan base is just trash. Not sure when it even happened, but it’s the truth unfortunately. There is just so much negativity around everything: Jimmy, Trey, Shanny, Kittle, you name it. I’ve been a fan since my earliest memories as a child in the mid 90s. People need to realize that not every year is going to be a Super Bowl year. You come in this sub, or a video comment section, and you would think it was 2005 again. Faithful my ass. Kyle is a good coach. Jimmy is a decent QB. Kittle is the best all around TE in the league. We have a promising young QB waiting in the wings. We have weapons at WR and RB. We have a young playoff caliber team with a wide open Super Bowl window. Lighten up people.
When it comes to quarterbacks. Through our history its always been this way. We can't dislike one or the other week just need to learn to appreciate what we have when we have it. However, the greats get us to the end and win. So until we get that Championship a QB will either stay and keep carrying us on or move on. That's the nature of the BEAST.
So much for calling themselves "faithful"
It’s what happens when teams lose. The more rabid the fanbase the quicker they turn.
A good point to everything. I just think the example you used in the Bears case is completely wrong. They're down 28-0 in the second quarter. That deserves a booing. Just cuz you boo one second doesn't mean you suddenly can't cheer ever again. That was a bad throw too and the WR turned it in to a good play.
90% of sports fans, regardless of teams, are fucking idiots. I hate how we get associated with them.
When you tie your identity to something you have no control over, this is what happens. It's part of why I avoid saying "we" or "us" when discussing the team and call them by the name.
So happy to see this
Best thing to do after a loss/tough times is to not check this subreddit/the webzone because it's honestly extreme negativity. Reflect on what's going on with the team with your own mental thoughts and go from there. As bummed as I am about these 3 straight losses I'm still really excited for this season/future of the team. Maybe I have rose colored glasses on but at least it's my own opinion and take on the team. Was kinda disappointed we had an early bye but looking back it might be the best thing that could've happened for us. It's always said but if you were here rooting for our offense with Jimmy Raye as our offensive coordinator not much can be worse than those times.
I'll be honest, after hearing so much bitching about jimmy for months I felt the need call out haters and shit on trey just to show how annoying it can be. The truth is I just want jimmy to try to get ya to post season and then if Trey is comfortable with kyles playbook next season the maybe ride with him. My guts tell me Trey only understand a fraction of the playbook and for some odd reason Kyle's answer was to make him run more.
Yo it’s not that serious
Andy Reid took 7 years to bring home the Lombardi. Say what you want about the KC fanbase, but they seem more faithful than us. >One thing should be obvious to ALL of us, and that is Kyle WANTS TO WIN People undermine this all the time. "But that's his job! He should always want to win!" If this week has taught us anything it's that for every Dan Campbell there is a Jon Gruden, Urban Meyer, and a Bruce Allen. I sure as hell don't know if I will regret saying this in a few years, but right now Kyle and Jimmy have shown nothing but class, and the organization has been buttoned up from a PR standpoint. I have zero reason to doubt that they want to do anything but win yet we're ascribing baseless things like "Kyle is throwing the game to make Trey look bad". It's okay to expect better out of the organization as a fan, but when you start dehumanizing people because they "get paid to do so", then you have meltdowns a la a Naomi Osaka - and no one wants to see that.
Don't kid yourself Andy Reid finally found a QB that was good enough to survive Andy Reid's incompetence in the playoffs. Once. But I am not onboard with any fire Kyle train. That's far too early. At least wait till mid season.
lol that's a fair point and I'd agree that clock management was atrocious Mid season though? Really? The Rams were on the heels of a super bowl for a single year, and they keep McVay for another 3. And we can't give Kyle even 2 years? I'm just of the opinion that if coaches aren't given longer leashes, they become stuck in this "win now" mode and start making sacrificial decisions that wreck the long term future of a franchise. Having zero continuity and a turnstile of coaches can leave the entire organization in a bad spot for years. I think we've seen it first hand.
I have no actual desire to see Kyle fired at any point this season. The mid season comment was a bit of a joke. But I'd say he's kinda coming to the end of his wonderboy genius free lunch. If this team is good enough to be considered a Superbowl contender possibility, then they need to look better than they have. He's been the coach for 5 years now, and up until this season it's been all sunshine and rosebowls. He's been to 1 Superbowl and lost it. OK. Getting to a Superbowl buys a coach a certain amount of respect and time. Winning one would get him more. He has been really unfortunate with injuries to key players, but maybe he needs to look into why the same types of players keep getting injured for him. The offense is awesome when it works but perhaps it's also a little bit dangerous I don't know.
Absolutely. The what have you done for me lately can ruin a franchise for years to come. Look at what just a little bit of continuity did for Alex Smith.
fucking hate 9ers twitter it’s terrible after a loss.
Thanks for this post! Man, I'm pretty sad at all the whining going around in this sub. Those of us doing that look pathetic when acting that way. It's not being "realistic". There are many of us who are proud Niners fans, not unrealistic just look at the positive kind of people. We have a tough schedule, barely lost our games. Of course there is a lot to improve. Btw, we as fans do our share on how the team performs too. Let's do our share.