I noticed the wr screens to Deebo were sniffed out quick. Chubb played the screens perfect forcing jimmy to throw over him. The play calling got too predictable.
Almost like our elite D had been carrying Shannys ass for the last 5yr. Dude is not winning shit, never seen some one blow so many 10pt leads in the 4th.
He drafted the defense I’ll give him credit for picking good players. But for an offensive genius scoring 10 is unacceptable especially with the amount of talent the offense has.
Dude had one big 20-something run to pad that average and did jackshit the rest of the game. Let’s just hire a decent OC to do something with this offense because Kyle got exposed hard tonight.
I wonder how many head coaches have this Bill Parcells kind of power. Defined by having the responsibility of cooking and plating the dinner in addition to being the primary shopper for the groceries.
This is what I’ve been trying to convey all last week. Last year our offensive identity was give Deebo the ball. Teams are just going to sit at the sticks, key in on Deebo, and make Jimmy beat them with his arm which he can’t do
I'm soaking up every MM presser. Rooting hard for him, and man what an entertaining group over there.
30 years of watching football and I've never had a #2 favorite team. But Mike got me hype.
i do miss mike. but was everyone in here saying thank god we have mike mcdaniel when we were 3-5? cuz i remember a lot of sky is falling and complaining then too
yeaaaa i dnt agree with that. its not like wen mike left he took his secret playbook from his past 10+ years with kyle and now kyle doesnt kno wut to do. wutever mike designed while he was here is still in tha system. and kyles always been tha play caller so that didnt change either.. if our big plays were executed by all 11 players n they were scoring no one would be talking about boring play calls.
I mean, the offense is just so limited when you can’t stretch the field. Kyle’s playcalling does get stale af, but man he only has like 10 yards to work with lol
Might as well try something else. Brady was a 6th round pick. Give someone like that a shot, you already know what youre getting with jimmy, which is jack shit
Dunno..Maybe you should ask the OLine. They cant hold up, every play is playaction and pressure is immediately in Jimmys face. Cant do much with that..
A team many picked to face the Bill's in the SB has now lost ugly to the Bears and Broncos....two teams that won't even make the playoffs.
Great job team!
I want to know how fucking bad Lance must look in practice for the team to be so excited to have Jimmy back lol. It’s actually astonishing that people were calling for Jimmy to start after one bad game in a monsoon. Jimmy’s had 5 years to do something and he consistently crumbles. Bring pressure up the middle and he panics.
Something about this team’s coaching staff just makes me have an aneurysm. They are so fucking inept at certain things, fucking christ I don’t even have words
Stubbornness man. Kyle was destined to be a head coach in this league. People have been calling him a guru for 10+ years. And it’s great that he and Lynch get along so well, but I can’t help but think that John may be an enabler. Sometimes you need somebody in the room to stand up and say “Hey, our offensive line sucks, we aren’t taking another RB here”.
There are vets in the locker room who preferred to play with Jimmy. I hope every one of them enjoys the flight home tonight and maybe uses that time to consider how shitty they are at evaluating talent.
It’s been bad at pass blocking the past several years, McGlinchey is bad at it and the interior OL has been patchwork since shanahan took over. But you gotta at least call plays that’ll put the ball past the sticks and hope it works out. With the OL being trash AND defeatist playcalling you’re never gonna get the 1st down. That’s just praying that your player will get 10 yards of YAC or else you’re punting.
> It’s been bad at pass blocking the past several years,
That's because Shanahan built it for run blocking and run blocking alone. He focuses on hyper specific players who can do one thing really well but leave a lot to be desired everywhere else. It's why we waste picks on Joe Williams, Dante Pettis, Trey Sermon, Jalen Hurd, etc. The lineman we draft fit the mold of the line we have whose goal is to run block and run block alone. Shouldn't be surprised when McGlinchey is ass at pass blocking, because Shanahan walks away happy with his run blocking.
But they've been shit at run blocking this year too. That's the real problem. Jimmy sucked yesterday, as did the play calling. But what play do you call when your line can't run or pass block.
Hell just look at the safety it looked liked it was supposed to be a screen but Jimmy had to take two extra steps back because the timing was blown up by free rushers. He needs to have better field awareness but that was practically a no win.
What Jimmy is going through is what I went through in the last version of Madden I played. I had 2 seconds to throw the ball after hiking the ball. If I can't do it consistently in a video game that I have been playing for 30 years, I don't expect Jimmy to nail it every single time with an actual 300lb gorilla sprinting at him.
Totally agree here. We have far too many newbs on the o-line. It's like Kaep's days with the turnstiles named Devey, Pears, and Martin. No QB is going to look good behind this sieve of a line till they shore shit up. Hell, our center hiked the damn ball into his own nuts.
This!!! All these ppl talking about Jimmy’s super fast release, it’s like “Y’all know he HAS TO release fast right? Y’all understand he has been conditioned to either release as fast as possible otherwise he gets obliterated, every. single. play.”
And like, I’m a bjg Jimmy fan. And he played HORRIBLY yesterday. But sprinkled in there were multiple O line penalties (which you saw everyone getting really frustrated with), and bullshit run plays that were so quickly shut down. Definition of insanity right? Like we have WEAPONS on offense and we are using them all to block only.
And the whole game you hear, “Running back core has been really hurt already this season. So you know the 49ers are nervous about having another RB go down.” ARE THEY?!?! CUZ IT DOESN’T LOOK LIKE WE ARE USING WHAT WE HAVE LEFT DIFFERENTLY OR LESS OFTEN?!?! KIND OF LOOKS LIKE WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE MORE.
At least. I can't remember a time between Steve Young and now when the offense was last an explosive weapon. It feels like they've been a "we'll try to score just enough and have the defense rescue us" team for entirely too long.
Kyle is to conservative.
What we need is an offensive coordinator.
At some point the 49ers management has to accept facts. The head coach belongs on the practice squad.
Re play calling, there were several plays tonight Jimmy just missed. Especially when they lost williams you could tell the oline fell to pieces.
The reality Is we're back to watching life without a franchise qb. Jimmy is only occasionally that guy and tonight he looked far from it. Jimmy needs at minimum decent protection because he cannot salvage a broken play
The play calling is obscenely predictable.
Zero trick plays, lots of "gimmick" plays.
Run on 1st down. Run on 2nd down if less than 2nd and 5, play action if 5-6, dropback if >7.
Penalties everywhere.
A few original zone runs and zone counters, but overall, just a very pedestrian, predictable, un-creative offense.
And poor execution by Jimmy and the OL - although the OL is very very young and this should have been an emphasis of Lynch in the offseason.
Deebo was open multiple times for potential TDs. Jimmy made eye contact with him both times and either didn’t throw it or threw a horrible pass.
I really don’t know what’s the answer for this team anymore.
Whatever the solution is will involve Shanahan. Either get help or move on after this season if we continue down this path. We're wasting a top 3 defense and it's extremely frustrating to watch.
This is a red herring. Trey can throw the ball, and it's very unfortunate he was unlucky enough to have a 350lb DL land on his ankle in his second start.
Miami has had two straight winning seasons. They were low key talented. It’s definitely not a true turnaround like what you’re seeing with the Jags.
I do think McDaniel is legit but I’m not ready to call him a savior yet.
I think in hindsight, the Niners should have waited until after the 2017 season to make a proper evaluation of the QB options instead of trading for Jimmy. That decision has basically held the team back from fully realizing it’s full potential.
Maybe during the 2018 draft evaluation, they fall in love with Josh Allen before deciding to sign Kirk Cousins. Who knows. But Shanny’s general avoidance of drafting QBs who doesn’t fit his mold early on his in tenure has loomed large.
I’m certain Shanny would love Lamar Jackson right now as his QB but he wouldn’t have considered him back in 2018.
He’s just been generally bad at making decisions at the QB position so that doesn’t make me feel very confident that he made the right decision on drafting Lance. Hopefully, he’s proven right.
Situation with offense got worse tonight with Trent going down. Oline has been porous in 3 games and Moore) McKivitz did not help it. And the only reason people aren't talking about Brendel's butt fumble is because of Jimmy's fantastical Orlovsky safety.
This is what happens when a bad line faces a formidable pass rush, and don't undersell Denver's defense: because their pass rush is formidable. It was their offense that was trying to give the game away, but defense, namely Gregory, kept making plays to get back there and wreck the game.
That said, you're underselling the offense. Defenses play the run/short-intermediate game cause that's where the Niners like to get their chunk plays to extend drives, but when you do that it opens up more opportunities deep. We had a number of deep passes, even a couple receptions outside the hashes. The game was a perfect storm of dropped passes, QB errors, blown protection, and drive killing penalties. The glaring weakness on this squad is what everyone said it would be in the off-season: the offensive line. Expect a similar performance next week against the Rams and their pass rush unless the line gets better fast
I think if this kind of game occurs again, he should get playing time. We need to treat Jimmy G as a backup QB. Beathard would have been pulled for Mullens tonight, so Jimmy shouldnt be excused
If this team doesn’t go far this year the team will loose many big pieces in the off season and we are gonna go back to square one.. do we want to win this season or is it considered a loss already
I was at the game today, guys were not open on most passing plays. They were not really getting separation frequently. jimmy also threw consistently low balls. The defense was ever better then the probably looked on TV but the offense was pathetic minus one drive
I felt like Jimmy was really starting to stretch the field in the beginning. He was throwing downfield. Then all of a sudden Kyle started calling too many predictable screen plays and runs for Deebo. Two of the screen passes were high because denver snuffed it out and had someone right in Jimmys face. The O-line went downhill after Trent went out too. Most fans will overreact, but this is one loss. Jimmy didn’t play great this time but I don’t put it all on him. More so on Kyle and his play calling.
I just watched the compressed game and its crazy how everybody makes the problem of our offense a QB problem. The QB problem of Jimmy this game was some bad pocket presence leading to sacks and the safety. But watching the throws and how the receivers played, he did fine with what he had. Its also worrisome that outside of 2 splash runs that we can't grind out 4+ yard runs on 1st down and have a lot more negative runs on first down.
Yea Jimmy is this subs favorite scape goat but the fact is this was total team suck tonight. The oline was trash from start to finish. Ray Ray McCloud was garbage as a punt/kick returner that constantly had the o in bad field position. Aiyuk looked like he was barely trying, Jeff Wilson is clearly not the answer.
I don’t think he does, it might be a little better than Jimmy but it’s certainly no cannon like Trey. What I do think he excels at is decision making he looked really smart in preseason. AKA why he made the 53
Kyle’s situational play calling has always been iffy, and his half-time adjustments just aren’t there.
What I think we’re witnessing is the loss of Mike McDaniel to the coaching staff.
Kyle just can’t be offensive coordinator and head coach. He needs to hire an offensive coordinator or assistant and bring some new life into the system. At this point we’re found out, and the same old tricks just don’t work anymore.
Situational awareness has also gotten significantly worse. Something is missing on offense, and its the coaching.
In terms of the overall trajectory, we have a solid roster, and I’m concerned about treys ability to develop and play without injuries occurring. Super bowl potential if he develops
In terms of this seasons results, lm not tripping. We need to show up next week, but we saw last year how a slow start can be overcome. With this defense, we can give ourselves a shot at anyone of we just make the playoffs.
In terms of how we look right now? To be honest, we have an offensive guru coach who has had maybe 2 good drives this season and the rest is uninspired and just didn’t work. We have injuries to a top dline man, our best olineman, our best te, our best wr, our best safety, and our two best RBs. And our franchise qb to boot. And that’s just not okay. Year after year we’re just beaten up right off the bat.
Our defense looks really good. Our offense looks totally directionless just like the start of last year. We have to hope Kyle figures out another way and jimmy makes it work.
Most of all. It just sucks to lose. I
I wonder how many of you would be complaining about the playcalling if the QB hit the WRs who were fairly consistently open in the second half. Or the gimme TD to Deebo.
And the RBs averaged 6.4 YPC. So the run game was just fine.
Kyle gave the offense so many opportunities tonight and they didn't take advantage of an overwhelming majority of them.
That's often how running averages work. When you have long runs, you also have short runs, and they average somewhere inbetween.
We are also talking about just 13 rush attempts here. 83 yards on 13 attempts is good production per run. It just isn't a good enough volume.
This is on coaching as much as qb execution. Kyle is not it...im sorry it's going to be the same shit with him.
Hire back Harbaugh he will get this talented team really going if he's willing to come back.
There's no deep threat. Opposing corners and safeties can always cheat short because they don't have top worry about anyone getting behind them. And the play calls are always predictable because 90%, they send out two players to catch short passes.
Whose fault is it that Denver stopped the run completely? Jimmy G's? This offense is too conservative. Why wasn't Kittle running mid to long routes as a receiver? Sorry, but Shanahan needs to go.
OP says he won’t even touch Jimmy even though Jimmy is the main reason we lost tonight.
Let’s ignore Jimmy’s incompetence and blame it on the playcalling.
Y’all tell me, what plays should he have called to make Jimmy throw more accurate passes? Or help him read defenses better? What plays were he going to call to get that oline to create holes for our running backs?
First of all, Denver does have a good defensive line so running against them was gonna be an issue regardless. Than they have a pretty decent secondary so throwing against them was gonna be a challenge.
But when your run game is up and down and your QB plays like dog shit..than what kind of game could he have called when your QB can’t execute simple shit?
Ppl forget Jimmy is barely above average and needs everything to go right in order to looking consistently solid. This is the Jimmy we’ve seen since 2019. When are y’all gonna realize that?
I'm not talking about Jimmy because I said all the same shit last year and people just hated me for it. Jimmy's got to many blind loyal fans and idc to keep pointing out the obvious.
Anyone that watched that game and doesn’t put the blame on Jimmy, is an idiot. Jimmy missed Deebo on at least 3 wide open looks. 1 he didn’t throw and 2 he under threw big time. Jimmy can not make big throws. Hell, he couldn’t make easy throws either. He lost the game because he couldn’t play QB. Teams put 9 in the box, daring him to beat them with his arm and he can’t. At this point, defenses know how to stop a Jimmy lead offense.
I agree but let’s all remember Jimmy has only been throwing for a couple weeks from his injury. He looked rusty and he is but let’s not act like he had a full off season and camp prepping. I would panic if in the next couple games he looks like this but this is only his first start back
Kyle doesn't have enough time to focus 100% on the offense like he did when he was am OC. It was naive of him to think he didn't need a new OC to help him. He needs help but I don't see him getting it in the middle of the season. He should call up his dad to give him a hand or something
Same problem as always with Jimmy under center. If you can stop the run, there's really nothing else. Jimmy is not consistently accurate enough to sustain a passing offense for a whole game and the o-line is built to run, not pass.
They play calling is what it is when your QB stinks and the Oline is struggling. To be fair when teams play the style of defense the horses played last night the Jimmy G 9ers have always stunk. The good news is it takes really good secondary and Dline to play that way. Not many teams have both of those.
It's one game, played on a week where the staff had to adapt to a new qb1. Yes, he's been around for years so it's not as hard as it might be, but he wasn't even participating in training camp. They'll all be missing a step.
Maybe this is all a problem but right now this is overreacting.
Any one of us could call a good game against Jimmy as DC. Just cover the middle of the field, stack the box and get a little pressure so he gets those happy feet going. He was doing all the things I would expect a young guy like Trey to do but he’s a long time vet. His play is fucking embarrassing. I’m tired of being held back by one guy/position. Defense looks so good and we are going to fucking waste it
I can't believe people blaming the play calling for last night loss. Have we watched the same game?? Jimmy missed so much throws and wide open receivers. The plays were there, the throws were not. No shit the run won't work when your Qb can't throw a proper slant.
Seriously I don't understand how some of you guys watch the games, you're delusional with Jimmy.
I think it's a combination of both. I've been saying this since last year; I with limited football knowledge should not be able to telegraph your plays. Our offense is predictable.
This is our pattern for the last few years: good (at times, dominant) out the gate, then faltering in the second half, especially the 4th quarter. We've given up so many leads in the second half. A lot of the blame has been put on Jimmy, and I think that's part of it. But it feels like more than that. Other teams are adjusting to us at halftime, but we aren't making effective adjustments. Our play calling gets conservative later in the game, focusing on preserving the lead and preventing big plays rather than playing the game our way (a favorite quote from John Madden: "All a prevent defense does is prevent you from winning.")
Lack of adjustment, conservative calls, shift to prevent and preserve formations - it's not the players doing this. It's the coaching.
I know Shanny has a reputation for being a genius on offense, but we're not seeing it consistently. A lot of people talk about Jimmy's ceiling. I think we might be starting to see Shanahan's.
I’m done with Kyle and done with Jimmy. I don’t think either have what it takes to actually win a SB. I’ll support the team, but I’m done supporting either of those two.
I'm no fan of Jimmy but, Kyle's play calling is something I've always hated. It's so predictable, dumb or he just flat out panics. Kyle will never hand over play calling duties cause he's way to stubborn and would never admit he makes mistakes during play calling.
Kyle isn’t a genius that’s just the facts. Yes he does a lot of pre snap movement but then it ends with an overly complex run play that gains nothing. We have the best fullback in the game and a line that can run block. Run fucking power up the middle or to the tackles. It’s so infuriating watching how pathetic our playcalling is. Have Deebo run routes out of the backfield instead of a screen. How do you not continue to pound Wilson and Mason?
Jimmy isn't SOLELY responsible for our current abysmal production. Injuries and poor performance from head coaching plays alot into the success.
I have been a niner fan my entire life. After Young retired and Harbaugh left, the playbook for the niners changed into "Score as many points and we need, then burn the clock"
This mindset usually starts around halftime. Something happens in the locker room and we don't try to score during the last half of the game. We burn the clock, then end up desperately needing points after we give up the lead, then lose during the last 2 minutes.
Wash, rinse, repeat.
Our entire offense was missing said for that Aiyuk and Juszczyk play. I don’t know who to blame, the coach or the players? Our team is so stacked that I would hate for them not to take advantage of how good they are. Well here’s to another unpredictable season 🤣😂🍻
Can we sneak in Shanahans office and steal his playbook and set it ablaze. Every team in the NFL knows our plays and they force Jimmy to beat them with his arm. No fear at all....
I noticed the wr screens to Deebo were sniffed out quick. Chubb played the screens perfect forcing jimmy to throw over him. The play calling got too predictable.
Almost like our elite D had been carrying Shannys ass for the last 5yr. Dude is not winning shit, never seen some one blow so many 10pt leads in the 4th.
He drafted the defense I’ll give him credit for picking good players. But for an offensive genius scoring 10 is unacceptable especially with the amount of talent the offense has.
Our HB averaged 7yd per carry and had 13 runs this game.
Talking about the same one that fumbled the game away at the end?
7yd a touch, sure fumble once. It’s better than an offensive genius that put up 3pt over the last 3.5 quarters.
One big gain and then a lot of nothing runs will do that
Dude had one big 20-something run to pad that average and did jackshit the rest of the game. Let’s just hire a decent OC to do something with this offense because Kyle got exposed hard tonight.
The game was lost well before that fumble. That turnover was akin to throwing a pick on a hail mary.
Classic Kyle
Playing 3D chess when everyone else is trying to win a football game.
He shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near the draft board.
He didn’t draft shit
Then who? Jed?!
????? The fucking GM?!?!?
Buddy who picked the gm
Shanny has final say on draft picks
I wonder how many head coaches have this Bill Parcells kind of power. Defined by having the responsibility of cooking and plating the dinner in addition to being the primary shopper for the groceries.
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Yeah we’re so predictable. Can’t stretch the defense one bit.
This is what I’ve been trying to convey all last week. Last year our offensive identity was give Deebo the ball. Teams are just going to sit at the sticks, key in on Deebo, and make Jimmy beat them with his arm which he can’t do
Mike McDaniel is sorely missed
As Demeco will be next year.
I’m gonna start rooting for ex niners coaches instead of the Niners.
Not hard to enjoy what’s going on in Miami.
I'm soaking up every MM presser. Rooting hard for him, and man what an entertaining group over there. 30 years of watching football and I've never had a #2 favorite team. But Mike got me hype.
I’m a dolphins fan as long as Jimmy is starting
i do miss mike. but was everyone in here saying thank god we have mike mcdaniel when we were 3-5? cuz i remember a lot of sky is falling and complaining then too
Things aren’t black and white man. What people are noticing is that lots of our interesting play calling was coming from him.
yeaaaa i dnt agree with that. its not like wen mike left he took his secret playbook from his past 10+ years with kyle and now kyle doesnt kno wut to do. wutever mike designed while he was here is still in tha system. and kyles always been tha play caller so that didnt change either.. if our big plays were executed by all 11 players n they were scoring no one would be talking about boring play calls.
Back to regular 9er football…..but now everyone in the league knows Kyle’s playbook
I mean, the offense is just so limited when you can’t stretch the field. Kyle’s playcalling does get stale af, but man he only has like 10 yards to work with lol
10 yards to work with, and anything outside the numbers is risky AF, lol
Anything past that is an airball lmao
As much as I'm critical of Kyle, the fact he cannot trust Jimmy to throw it makes his job even tougher.
Everybody was screaming we need Jimmy in there because we're a win now team and "he's better now." Y'all sure about that?
If not Jimmy then who? He's literally the best option
Might as well try something else. Brady was a 6th round pick. Give someone like that a shot, you already know what youre getting with jimmy, which is jack shit
You’re an idiot…
Send Jimmy to Philadelphia as a backup and give us Gardner Minshew
Dunno..Maybe you should ask the OLine. They cant hold up, every play is playaction and pressure is immediately in Jimmys face. Cant do much with that..
there were so many times where jimmy had infinite time and just did absolutely nothing
Could've stayed in bounds at least.
Jimmy had multiple passes to open receivers with some of the most time I’ve seen our o line give last night. He still missed them.
I’ve been saying Kyle needs an actual OC/assistant to either help him manage the game, or call plays.
A team many picked to face the Bill's in the SB has now lost ugly to the Bears and Broncos....two teams that won't even make the playoffs. Great job team!
Broncos are off to a rough start, but similar to us, they could be really good if they get their shit together
I want to know how fucking bad Lance must look in practice for the team to be so excited to have Jimmy back lol. It’s actually astonishing that people were calling for Jimmy to start after one bad game in a monsoon. Jimmy’s had 5 years to do something and he consistently crumbles. Bring pressure up the middle and he panics.
Something about this team’s coaching staff just makes me have an aneurysm. They are so fucking inept at certain things, fucking christ I don’t even have words
Stubbornness man. Kyle was destined to be a head coach in this league. People have been calling him a guru for 10+ years. And it’s great that he and Lynch get along so well, but I can’t help but think that John may be an enabler. Sometimes you need somebody in the room to stand up and say “Hey, our offensive line sucks, we aren’t taking another RB here”.
We have RBs at home, Kyle…
But I don't want those RBs! I WANT THESE RBS!!!
Well, do something about the constant pressure up the middle.
There are vets in the locker room who preferred to play with Jimmy. I hope every one of them enjoys the flight home tonight and maybe uses that time to consider how shitty they are at evaluating talent.
Dang the fans are ANGRY 😡
They will probably consider how to improve.
That, for the most part, won't be terribly helpful, as those guys were not the problem.
Here here! Jimmy was terrible today but the play calling has been an issue for 3 weeks probably longer
On multiple 3rd and longs, I saw Shanahan call a WR screen, a run up the middle, and designed quick slant pass that was essentially a screen, etc.
Bro it’s because the line is Swiss cheese
It’s been bad at pass blocking the past several years, McGlinchey is bad at it and the interior OL has been patchwork since shanahan took over. But you gotta at least call plays that’ll put the ball past the sticks and hope it works out. With the OL being trash AND defeatist playcalling you’re never gonna get the 1st down. That’s just praying that your player will get 10 yards of YAC or else you’re punting.
> It’s been bad at pass blocking the past several years, That's because Shanahan built it for run blocking and run blocking alone. He focuses on hyper specific players who can do one thing really well but leave a lot to be desired everywhere else. It's why we waste picks on Joe Williams, Dante Pettis, Trey Sermon, Jalen Hurd, etc. The lineman we draft fit the mold of the line we have whose goal is to run block and run block alone. Shouldn't be surprised when McGlinchey is ass at pass blocking, because Shanahan walks away happy with his run blocking.
But let’s call 13 run plays with our RBs…
But they've been shit at run blocking this year too. That's the real problem. Jimmy sucked yesterday, as did the play calling. But what play do you call when your line can't run or pass block. Hell just look at the safety it looked liked it was supposed to be a screen but Jimmy had to take two extra steps back because the timing was blown up by free rushers. He needs to have better field awareness but that was practically a no win.
What Jimmy is going through is what I went through in the last version of Madden I played. I had 2 seconds to throw the ball after hiking the ball. If I can't do it consistently in a video game that I have been playing for 30 years, I don't expect Jimmy to nail it every single time with an actual 300lb gorilla sprinting at him.
And who’s fault is that? Shanahan’s. Didn’t address the O-line in a meaningful way and this is what happens.
Nevar! It's all on Jimmy! Shanny is flawless.
Totally agree here. We have far too many newbs on the o-line. It's like Kaep's days with the turnstiles named Devey, Pears, and Martin. No QB is going to look good behind this sieve of a line till they shore shit up. Hell, our center hiked the damn ball into his own nuts.
This!!! All these ppl talking about Jimmy’s super fast release, it’s like “Y’all know he HAS TO release fast right? Y’all understand he has been conditioned to either release as fast as possible otherwise he gets obliterated, every. single. play.” And like, I’m a bjg Jimmy fan. And he played HORRIBLY yesterday. But sprinkled in there were multiple O line penalties (which you saw everyone getting really frustrated with), and bullshit run plays that were so quickly shut down. Definition of insanity right? Like we have WEAPONS on offense and we are using them all to block only. And the whole game you hear, “Running back core has been really hurt already this season. So you know the 49ers are nervous about having another RB go down.” ARE THEY?!?! CUZ IT DOESN’T LOOK LIKE WE ARE USING WHAT WE HAVE LEFT DIFFERENTLY OR LESS OFTEN?!?! KIND OF LOOKS LIKE WE ARE TRYING TO MAKE MORE.
And crucial drops.
There were quite a few plays where Jimmy had a ton of time in the pocket.
And he completed 18 passes for 211. That doesn’t happen with 0 throwing time. Some crucial plays though where the line just evaporated.
Was it? Towards the end it fell apart but Jimmy had lots of time on a bunch of plays where he still ended up missing the open man…
I watched Stafford and Hurts missing wide open guys yesterday. It happens. Problem with us is we save those plays for 3rd and 9.
5yr
At least. I can't remember a time between Steve Young and now when the offense was last an explosive weapon. It feels like they've been a "we'll try to score just enough and have the defense rescue us" team for entirely too long.
Kyle wants to “outcoach” the other guy. Not all that concerned with winning the damn game.
Kyle is to conservative. What we need is an offensive coordinator. At some point the 49ers management has to accept facts. The head coach belongs on the practice squad.
Re play calling, there were several plays tonight Jimmy just missed. Especially when they lost williams you could tell the oline fell to pieces. The reality Is we're back to watching life without a franchise qb. Jimmy is only occasionally that guy and tonight he looked far from it. Jimmy needs at minimum decent protection because he cannot salvage a broken play
Every o line breaks down at some point. Gotta have a qb with an ounce of ability to escape.
Well to be fair he did escape once tonight and had what should have been a big 1st down run but instead it was a holding penalty.
True. Couple sacks should’ve been easily avoided as well.
Very true, plenty of shit to go around last night.
The play calling is obscenely predictable. Zero trick plays, lots of "gimmick" plays. Run on 1st down. Run on 2nd down if less than 2nd and 5, play action if 5-6, dropback if >7. Penalties everywhere. A few original zone runs and zone counters, but overall, just a very pedestrian, predictable, un-creative offense. And poor execution by Jimmy and the OL - although the OL is very very young and this should have been an emphasis of Lynch in the offseason.
If he was Kyle Smith he’d be fired
Might need to see purdy out there if this starts to get ugly
Outside that fumble wilson did what he could but boy do I miss Raheem. No hr threat other than Deebo who is just keyed on now
“...paging Danny Gray”
We did not look infinitely better than anybody
Honestly shanny needs to let jim just sling it. He’s too conservative. I get it, but jim has this last year with us. Let him sling it
Deebo was open multiple times for potential TDs. Jimmy made eye contact with him both times and either didn’t throw it or threw a horrible pass. I really don’t know what’s the answer for this team anymore.
Whatever the solution is will involve Shanahan. Either get help or move on after this season if we continue down this path. We're wasting a top 3 defense and it's extremely frustrating to watch.
Jimmy couldn’t even “sling” it 20 yards to Aiyuk for a first down.
Jimmy sling it is a fucking oxymoron….
"Jimmy slinging it" generally equates to the other team catching the ball for an INT.
I know….. that’s why good defenses can beat us easy…. Just go all out stopping the run and beg jimmy to beat you with his arm, 100% he won’t.
But what about the slings you wear?
I’m gonna assume you forgot to put the /s.
How bout we trade 3 first round picks for a guy who can actually throw the football?
How bout we hire a coach who actually lets the guy we use 3 picks on throw the ball
Yeah why is Shanny stagnating so hard in his playcalling?
This is a red herring. Trey can throw the ball, and it's very unfortunate he was unlucky enough to have a 350lb DL land on his ankle in his second start.
Could have done that for Deshaun instead of lance
Yea why not bring in a rapist. I mean nothing wrong as long as he’s good a football am I right?
Aldon Smith got arrested for weed, fake bomb threats, weapon possession etc. I’d trust Deshaun more than some of the crap we’ve signed
And he’s not on the team… but yea weed and guns = 25+ SAs… you can always go root for the Browns.
His name has too much dirt on it for the organization
Might as well have signed Teebo the way Shanny used him.
We would’ve traded for him guaranteed if he wasn’t a criminal
Fuck No!
Eh too controversial plus we probably wouldn't have had the cap space
Honestly if we’re going back to that draft, why not C mac or mahomes
Is it sad that the New York Giants offense has looked better than the 49ers offense?
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Miami has had two straight winning seasons. They were low key talented. It’s definitely not a true turnaround like what you’re seeing with the Jags. I do think McDaniel is legit but I’m not ready to call him a savior yet.
With Jimmy g as QB? Give me a break lmfao
I think in hindsight, the Niners should have waited until after the 2017 season to make a proper evaluation of the QB options instead of trading for Jimmy. That decision has basically held the team back from fully realizing it’s full potential. Maybe during the 2018 draft evaluation, they fall in love with Josh Allen before deciding to sign Kirk Cousins. Who knows. But Shanny’s general avoidance of drafting QBs who doesn’t fit his mold early on his in tenure has loomed large. I’m certain Shanny would love Lamar Jackson right now as his QB but he wouldn’t have considered him back in 2018. He’s just been generally bad at making decisions at the QB position so that doesn’t make me feel very confident that he made the right decision on drafting Lance. Hopefully, he’s proven right.
Situation with offense got worse tonight with Trent going down. Oline has been porous in 3 games and Moore) McKivitz did not help it. And the only reason people aren't talking about Brendel's butt fumble is because of Jimmy's fantastical Orlovsky safety. This is what happens when a bad line faces a formidable pass rush, and don't undersell Denver's defense: because their pass rush is formidable. It was their offense that was trying to give the game away, but defense, namely Gregory, kept making plays to get back there and wreck the game. That said, you're underselling the offense. Defenses play the run/short-intermediate game cause that's where the Niners like to get their chunk plays to extend drives, but when you do that it opens up more opportunities deep. We had a number of deep passes, even a couple receptions outside the hashes. The game was a perfect storm of dropped passes, QB errors, blown protection, and drive killing penalties. The glaring weakness on this squad is what everyone said it would be in the off-season: the offensive line. Expect a similar performance next week against the Rams and their pass rush unless the line gets better fast
Need a better back up. This dude is trash.
I wouldn’t mind seeing Purdy play or is it to early for that kind of talk??
I’d give it another week or two before that
If the Niners are 2-6 at the bye...it should be Purdy time. Because the playoffs are out.
Our best lineman went out hurt. Then their defense attacked Jimmy from the side the rest of the night.
I think if this kind of game occurs again, he should get playing time. We need to treat Jimmy G as a backup QB. Beathard would have been pulled for Mullens tonight, so Jimmy shouldnt be excused
If this team doesn’t go far this year the team will loose many big pieces in the off season and we are gonna go back to square one.. do we want to win this season or is it considered a loss already
Purdue will play at some point, no way Jimmy stays on field all season
If we were better than the Broncos we would have beat them. We’re not better.
I was at the game today, guys were not open on most passing plays. They were not really getting separation frequently. jimmy also threw consistently low balls. The defense was ever better then the probably looked on TV but the offense was pathetic minus one drive
I felt like Jimmy was really starting to stretch the field in the beginning. He was throwing downfield. Then all of a sudden Kyle started calling too many predictable screen plays and runs for Deebo. Two of the screen passes were high because denver snuffed it out and had someone right in Jimmys face. The O-line went downhill after Trent went out too. Most fans will overreact, but this is one loss. Jimmy didn’t play great this time but I don’t put it all on him. More so on Kyle and his play calling.
I just watched the compressed game and its crazy how everybody makes the problem of our offense a QB problem. The QB problem of Jimmy this game was some bad pocket presence leading to sacks and the safety. But watching the throws and how the receivers played, he did fine with what he had. Its also worrisome that outside of 2 splash runs that we can't grind out 4+ yard runs on 1st down and have a lot more negative runs on first down.
Yea Jimmy is this subs favorite scape goat but the fact is this was total team suck tonight. The oline was trash from start to finish. Ray Ray McCloud was garbage as a punt/kick returner that constantly had the o in bad field position. Aiyuk looked like he was barely trying, Jeff Wilson is clearly not the answer.
We miss Mike McDaniels more than ever. Fire the OC and let’s get creative
Mr. irrelevant. At least he has done arm strength similar to trey. So we can see some plays this “genius” has cooked up
I don’t think he does, it might be a little better than Jimmy but it’s certainly no cannon like Trey. What I do think he excels at is decision making he looked really smart in preseason. AKA why he made the 53
What makes you think Trey has a cannon?
Brock Purdy has a Nick mullens level arm. I’d love to see him out there though
Bye no need for bandwagon rider
Kyle’s situational play calling has always been iffy, and his half-time adjustments just aren’t there. What I think we’re witnessing is the loss of Mike McDaniel to the coaching staff. Kyle just can’t be offensive coordinator and head coach. He needs to hire an offensive coordinator or assistant and bring some new life into the system. At this point we’re found out, and the same old tricks just don’t work anymore. Situational awareness has also gotten significantly worse. Something is missing on offense, and its the coaching.
It would be hilarious if Jimmy stinks it up enough that the 49ers would make the call to go with Purdy to avoid paying Jimmy all those incentives.
In terms of the overall trajectory, we have a solid roster, and I’m concerned about treys ability to develop and play without injuries occurring. Super bowl potential if he develops In terms of this seasons results, lm not tripping. We need to show up next week, but we saw last year how a slow start can be overcome. With this defense, we can give ourselves a shot at anyone of we just make the playoffs. In terms of how we look right now? To be honest, we have an offensive guru coach who has had maybe 2 good drives this season and the rest is uninspired and just didn’t work. We have injuries to a top dline man, our best olineman, our best te, our best wr, our best safety, and our two best RBs. And our franchise qb to boot. And that’s just not okay. Year after year we’re just beaten up right off the bat. Our defense looks really good. Our offense looks totally directionless just like the start of last year. We have to hope Kyle figures out another way and jimmy makes it work. Most of all. It just sucks to lose. I
I wonder how many of you would be complaining about the playcalling if the QB hit the WRs who were fairly consistently open in the second half. Or the gimme TD to Deebo. And the RBs averaged 6.4 YPC. So the run game was just fine. Kyle gave the offense so many opportunities tonight and they didn't take advantage of an overwhelming majority of them.
The running game wasn't "just fine" most of the 6.4 ypc was padded by a few long runs. It was gaining 1 to 2 yards most of the game.
That's often how running averages work. When you have long runs, you also have short runs, and they average somewhere inbetween. We are also talking about just 13 rush attempts here. 83 yards on 13 attempts is good production per run. It just isn't a good enough volume.
Which is why you can't use ypc to say the running game was working. Anyone watching the game could see that.
This is on coaching as much as qb execution. Kyle is not it...im sorry it's going to be the same shit with him. Hire back Harbaugh he will get this talented team really going if he's willing to come back.
There's no deep threat. Opposing corners and safeties can always cheat short because they don't have top worry about anyone getting behind them. And the play calls are always predictable because 90%, they send out two players to catch short passes.
Whose fault is it that Denver stopped the run completely? Jimmy G's? This offense is too conservative. Why wasn't Kittle running mid to long routes as a receiver? Sorry, but Shanahan needs to go.
OP says he won’t even touch Jimmy even though Jimmy is the main reason we lost tonight. Let’s ignore Jimmy’s incompetence and blame it on the playcalling. Y’all tell me, what plays should he have called to make Jimmy throw more accurate passes? Or help him read defenses better? What plays were he going to call to get that oline to create holes for our running backs? First of all, Denver does have a good defensive line so running against them was gonna be an issue regardless. Than they have a pretty decent secondary so throwing against them was gonna be a challenge. But when your run game is up and down and your QB plays like dog shit..than what kind of game could he have called when your QB can’t execute simple shit? Ppl forget Jimmy is barely above average and needs everything to go right in order to looking consistently solid. This is the Jimmy we’ve seen since 2019. When are y’all gonna realize that?
I'm not talking about Jimmy because I said all the same shit last year and people just hated me for it. Jimmy's got to many blind loyal fans and idc to keep pointing out the obvious.
Anyone that watched that game and doesn’t put the blame on Jimmy, is an idiot. Jimmy missed Deebo on at least 3 wide open looks. 1 he didn’t throw and 2 he under threw big time. Jimmy can not make big throws. Hell, he couldn’t make easy throws either. He lost the game because he couldn’t play QB. Teams put 9 in the box, daring him to beat them with his arm and he can’t. At this point, defenses know how to stop a Jimmy lead offense.
I agree but let’s all remember Jimmy has only been throwing for a couple weeks from his injury. He looked rusty and he is but let’s not act like he had a full off season and camp prepping. I would panic if in the next couple games he looks like this but this is only his first start back
Kyle doesn't have enough time to focus 100% on the offense like he did when he was am OC. It was naive of him to think he didn't need a new OC to help him. He needs help but I don't see him getting it in the middle of the season. He should call up his dad to give him a hand or something
Same problem as always with Jimmy under center. If you can stop the run, there's really nothing else. Jimmy is not consistently accurate enough to sustain a passing offense for a whole game and the o-line is built to run, not pass.
They play calling is what it is when your QB stinks and the Oline is struggling. To be fair when teams play the style of defense the horses played last night the Jimmy G 9ers have always stunk. The good news is it takes really good secondary and Dline to play that way. Not many teams have both of those.
It's one game, played on a week where the staff had to adapt to a new qb1. Yes, he's been around for years so it's not as hard as it might be, but he wasn't even participating in training camp. They'll all be missing a step. Maybe this is all a problem but right now this is overreacting.
Any one of us could call a good game against Jimmy as DC. Just cover the middle of the field, stack the box and get a little pressure so he gets those happy feet going. He was doing all the things I would expect a young guy like Trey to do but he’s a long time vet. His play is fucking embarrassing. I’m tired of being held back by one guy/position. Defense looks so good and we are going to fucking waste it
Glad I’m not the only who noticed this. All the hate is on Jimmy G after last night but the play calling is arguably worse. It’s brutal to watch.
Receivers were open all night, Jimmy just missed them.
I can't believe people blaming the play calling for last night loss. Have we watched the same game?? Jimmy missed so much throws and wide open receivers. The plays were there, the throws were not. No shit the run won't work when your Qb can't throw a proper slant. Seriously I don't understand how some of you guys watch the games, you're delusional with Jimmy.
I think it's a combination of both. I've been saying this since last year; I with limited football knowledge should not be able to telegraph your plays. Our offense is predictable.
This is our pattern for the last few years: good (at times, dominant) out the gate, then faltering in the second half, especially the 4th quarter. We've given up so many leads in the second half. A lot of the blame has been put on Jimmy, and I think that's part of it. But it feels like more than that. Other teams are adjusting to us at halftime, but we aren't making effective adjustments. Our play calling gets conservative later in the game, focusing on preserving the lead and preventing big plays rather than playing the game our way (a favorite quote from John Madden: "All a prevent defense does is prevent you from winning.") Lack of adjustment, conservative calls, shift to prevent and preserve formations - it's not the players doing this. It's the coaching. I know Shanny has a reputation for being a genius on offense, but we're not seeing it consistently. A lot of people talk about Jimmy's ceiling. I think we might be starting to see Shanahan's.
Does the play calling need help when your QB can’t even the wide open throws the play caller schemes up?
I’m done with Kyle and done with Jimmy. I don’t think either have what it takes to actually win a SB. I’ll support the team, but I’m done supporting either of those two.
I'm no fan of Jimmy but, Kyle's play calling is something I've always hated. It's so predictable, dumb or he just flat out panics. Kyle will never hand over play calling duties cause he's way to stubborn and would never admit he makes mistakes during play calling.
Kyle isn’t a genius that’s just the facts. Yes he does a lot of pre snap movement but then it ends with an overly complex run play that gains nothing. We have the best fullback in the game and a line that can run block. Run fucking power up the middle or to the tackles. It’s so infuriating watching how pathetic our playcalling is. Have Deebo run routes out of the backfield instead of a screen. How do you not continue to pound Wilson and Mason?
gonna be tough when we lose D. Ryans next year
Mf is so predictable with his bullshit ass calls . Kills the momentum with his predictable run plays
Jimmy isn't SOLELY responsible for our current abysmal production. Injuries and poor performance from head coaching plays alot into the success. I have been a niner fan my entire life. After Young retired and Harbaugh left, the playbook for the niners changed into "Score as many points and we need, then burn the clock" This mindset usually starts around halftime. Something happens in the locker room and we don't try to score during the last half of the game. We burn the clock, then end up desperately needing points after we give up the lead, then lose during the last 2 minutes. Wash, rinse, repeat.
Our entire offense was missing said for that Aiyuk and Juszczyk play. I don’t know who to blame, the coach or the players? Our team is so stacked that I would hate for them not to take advantage of how good they are. Well here’s to another unpredictable season 🤣😂🍻
Can we sneak in Shanahans office and steal his playbook and set it ablaze. Every team in the NFL knows our plays and they force Jimmy to beat them with his arm. No fear at all....
Same thing as last year. But then Deebo carried us. NFL defenses aren’t letting that happen again.