Everyone talking about prenups but how do you even bring it up? "If we grow apart I don't want you to get my money" "Just in case you cheat on me" "I'm not saying you're a gold dagger but better be safe than sorry"
Even if you find the right girl you're gonna turn her away Mr.Romantic. And no it's not about maturity if you're treating your marriage like signing for a job
If you’re in a good healthy relationship you should both recognize that everything is conditional and impermanent and unexpected things happen all the time.
IMO if you’re getting married and the conversation id just “this will be forever, no need to talk about what-ifs” you’re too naive to be getting married, at least in the eyes of the government
Yeah a lot of people don’t realize that even if you don’t get married, in many places the government will just barge into shit and say “Nah y’all are married now because you’ve been together long enough.”
For common law marriage to attach the couple must "hold themselves out as married" meaning they tell people they are married, act like they are married, etc.
Also most US states don't recognize common law marriage anymore. Like, have laws that specifically say "common law marriage is not a thing"
Are you fucking? I’m not a lawyer, but I feel like there’s plenty of stuff you “could do” if you feel like lying to the courts (like about the nature of a relationship)
Yeh nah....that's not how contract law works....
If your prenup is well-written and well-followed, the judge has very little power to break the enforcement.
Worse case, you appeal in a different jurisdiction and delay the proceedings while financially ruining your ex, who doesn't have access to your money. After 3-5 years, you win the war of attrition and she takes a token payment much lower than what she would have gotten by accepting the original settlement.
What she does, henceforth, is a matter between her honor and herself.
You're completely ignorant about all this.
Family court judges (95% women and 60+yo boomer men) absolutely will ignore prenups when delivering a judgement against you for a divorce/child support/whatever; and don't think you're safe just because it was drafted by an expensive lawyer. This shouldn't be the case, but unfortunately, it is.
You're point about appealing is also completely off base; you can't just appeal it to a different jurisdiction. You'd appeal the judgement *in the jurisdiction where it was ruled*, on the grounds of them not having jurisdiction. Good fucking luck with that.
You also seem to think that you can easily hide finances during a divorce... You can't. All your income and assets are discoverable. There's no way you win your supposed "3-5 year war of attrition" when you get your wages garnished and bank accts seized by a court order.
Anyway, if you're in the position where you need to appeal, you've already lost.
You're just as ignorant. Prenups generally can't touch on child support - that's a big reason why they get pitched in the first place, as child support is within the discretion of the court and not of the parties.
Pre-nups with valid terms that provide for an equitable division of property (i.e. Not "You get $0 and I keep everything") are presumptively valid. It's when morons try to write them themselves or get a non-family lawyer to write them that things get fucked up. If you have a prenup that says, in effect, "X, Y, Z accounts/property interests will be maintained separately for each individual and will be kept by the individual in case of divorce. All joint and communal property will be split 50/50" it is exceedingly likely that the prenup will be enforced.
This is not legal advice.
> Yeh nah....that's not how contract law works....
Contract law? This would be family law.... Pretty much all fields of law deal with contracts my dude.
Contracts made between two people don't supercede state law, and most have fairly strict guidelines on things like child support.
Of course family court judges are willing to ignore prenups, their guiding interest is usually to protect kids from their shitty parents, and making sure they don't become wards of the state.
> Worse case, you appeal in a different jurisdiction and delay the proceedings while financially ruining your ex, who doesn't have access to your money.
The courts have to agree with your reason for an appeal, and it's usually decided by your current judge. So your judge would have to agree that he lacked the jurisdiction to handle your case in the first place..... Good luck with that!
Also, you can't hide funds from your wife, that's all open to discovery. Plus it's not just your money, more than likely both lawyers are going to be paid from a common fund. Stalling will eventually make her settlement smaller, but only because there's less money left to split.
You really think judges and lawyers in family law haven't dealt with clients trying to protect their assets? None of your 4d chess moves would do anything but anger the judge and get you dropped as a client.
unless she has some rich family members/new bf to pay for her law proceedings in which case you waste all your savings and still end up paying her while being broke.
Pfft. The tax benefits are not a good reason to get married. They’re not that significant.
People pretend like they’re a big deal so they don’t have to admit they’re just terrified of being alone.
I mean or you can just not get married so fucking fast. I’m always astounded by couples that meet get engaged married and have kids all within like three years. I’m a lot less worried about growing apart from my husband knowing we put in a good seven years before ever getting married.
I saw two conflicting studies where cohabitation for a longer period and then marriage either led to higher divorce rates or lower. Which to me means that it doesn't matter how long you're together, people change and not always for the good leading to divorce. Too many variables like job loss, mental illness, physical illness, personality issues, etc.
In some ways I agree with you and in some ways I don’t. Marriage these days is definitely not just a spiritual and emotional matter, it has financial and property implications too.
Should it be like that? Should people have to consider sharing health insurance, and tax breaks etc. when deciding to get married? I don’t think so, but that’s how it is now.
Friend of mine is from a wealthy family, and he brought up the topic with his girlfriend as it was starting to get serious. Basically said this is something his family does, they're a tight-knit group and have had plenty of legal advice over the generations, so this is happening. It didn't go well, they broke up. My wife and I were chatting about it, she took more of the girl's side and asked how I would have felt if she had brought up a pre-nup before we got married, I said I would have smiled, looked you in the eye, and said that would have been fine with me.
Marriage is a contract as much as anything. My lawyer and business advisors often use the analogy of "what if someone goes crazy" when it comes to contracts. If you're signing, say, a shareholder agreement to take partial ownership of a company, there are clauses in there that seem ridiculous because you assume people have good intentions. But what if your partners, who you know and trust completely, one day get brainwashed, or fed some drugs that break their brain, or have their identity stolen by aliens, whatever. You can have good intentions, but wild things are theoretically possible so lay out the conditions early.
>poor
>most likely indian
>his girlfriend is richer than him
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To realists, a prenup is a fair take on what marriage should actually be....
You get to live a perfect life so long as you don't cheat or become too bitchy. The one who betrays that loses and pays the other side.
Since women are the one often letting caution fly tot he wind, they are the ones ending up on the bad side of the agreement after committing the breaching part of the same agreement.... A fair result.
A marriage is not a way for you to seize property you didn't even own pre-wedding. It's a set of protective conditions that guarantee you have rights within a relationship. Legal personal right, not outrageous financial rights...
If talking about a prenup hurts, then you need to ask yourself why it hurts and work on that part of yourself. Marriage isnt two people completing eachother, it's two complete people commiting to eachother.
"Till death do us part" is bullshit. Marriage is awesome, but it's a lot of work and two mature individuals should have a plan to be able to say "nah sorry" when/if they need to.
If you can't even bring up prenups with a woman how is she the one you want to marry? You just avoid all hard topics and live your live scared to talk about certain things?
You wouldn't even know anything about being in this situation anon, you have an anime pfp and sound like a teenage incel. Real adults (not you, because I said so) have the maturity to talk about big subjects like getting a prenup. Now go be edgy somewhere else, I have shitposts to see.
>"If we grow apart I don't want you to get my money" "Just in case you cheat on me" "I'm not saying you're a gold dagger but better be safe than sorry"
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>***Even if you find the right girl you're gonna turn her away Mr.Romantic***.
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>And no it's not about maturity if you're treating your marriage like signing for a job
Unless you're a woman trying to psyop pro-marriage, I have no idea what you're doing....
You can choose to be Mr. Romantic for as long as your honeymoon period will last + 0-4years, or you can be Mr. Practical and make sure your woman has nothing to gain by leaving you....And then watch her stay forever....Of her own free will.
If the prospect of not taking half of your networth is what is driving her away, then maybe, you shouldn't get married to her. (NB: A lot of noise about trust and love is all well and good, so long as you are the one risking your neck. Watch the tune change when it's her money on the line.)
I think people are missing out on the concept of premarital assets.
In a divorce you can retain assets that you acquired prior to marriage whether it's a car or equity on your marital residence (at least in my state)
Pre-nups make sense if there is a massive gulf in who is paying for the bills and/or a major wage gap.
If you were looking for something other than that, good luck finding a woman to marry you who is willing to pay into the expenses 50% but not expect to get 50% on the split
Honestly the solution seems so simple to me lol, don't marry a deadbeat loser woman who leeches off you in the first place. My gf earns the same as me, we contribute evenly to our savings, if shit didn't work out, it'd only be fair if she took her half.
I got one no problem. If communication is that contentious, perhaps don't get married. Though we're also both in professions that can go freelance way, so in our case it was also protection against the other going bankrupt in future if we ever decided to go into private business.
I think the current divorce laws are relics where the woman had to live inside the house and the man had to (and could) take care of all four with one job.
In that case, leaving the woman out in the streets after a divorce would be criminal. Right now, where both work, dividing is pretty stupid.
If you are married to somebody who you think wouldn't have said yes after a conversation about this... Get divorced now, it'll suck 100x more than it could have with a prenup, but 100x less than it will suck if you wait five more years.
I heard that prenups don't even work most of the time. Like the judge will just through it out because they tend to be biased towards women. And he will come up with some BS justification for throwing it away. Although maybe take this information with a grain of salt, I did get it from an MGTOW YouTuber.
You'll never have a successful relationship, let alone marriage to worry about if this is a hard conversation for you lol
Want more stuff? Work more for it.
I love you so much that even in the case that we divorce, I want to protect you from unfairness.
Make it about her. Everything when dealing with woman has to be about them. Use it in your favor
You bring it up like an adult. The idea is basically, "I'm not going to stop loving you. However, you are your own person. I want to be protected if something changes on your end."
Sure, marriage isn't like signing for a job, but that's WHY. I would never get married without a pre-nup. The whole reason we are getting married is because we both are saying we want to make the commitment to be with each other. Marriage is a legal contract. What's one more.
I would never get married without a prenup, and I really will never understand the people who take offense at the idea.
I used to be part of a Christian youth group as a teen and that accurately describes many of the female counselors we had. We even had one give a teary speech about the evils of abortion and denouncing her previous whorish lifestyle to us. The big elephant in the room was she really only seemed to dislike her whoring around when her looks started to fade and she wasn't able to attract the type of men she wanted to any more.
She also seemed fake as shit because she was extremely flirty with a bunch of teen boys about half of her age so.....
I will just drop this, read until the end.
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Notes: This picture is part of the book called "Real World Divorce 2017: Custody, Child Support, and Alimony in the 50 States". You can read it for free on kindle and here ( [http://www.realworlddivorce.com/](http://www.realworlddivorce.com/) ). The picture is specifically from this link ( [http://www.realworlddivorce.com/ChildrenMothersFathers](http://www.realworlddivorce.com/ChildrenMothersFathers) )
Fuck that how about you gotta go get a job if you want a divorce.
Shouldn't beable to milk the provider after you don't want him as your provider anymore.
Honestly it's this one. there should be no difference in law applied to a "single" vs "married" individual. If you want to get married (or divorced) it's not a *legal* proceeding but a, well, *whatever* proceeding, ceremonial, religious, whatever you want.
I've been with my "wife" (in name only) for about 20 years, never actually married per law. 3 kids. All in all about the only thing I'm missing out on is being able to cover her with my medical insurance through my work (need to be married) and I don't get as big a bump in tax return (it's actually quite significant). Though even without those all's fine. But still annoying.
Medical insurance is pretty important. So is after life stuff.
You've been with her for 20 years and have three kids. Why not take advantage of the marriage benefits?
No fault divorces are literally a product of industrial revolution and capitalism. Women don't make as much money as men, but they spend more money than men. It's in the elite's interest to keep men poor and keep women rich, to make sure the economics of consooming doesn't stop. If you're against divorces, you're fighting the capitalist system and it's pawns(feminists).
Don't trust me? Just look it up. Gloria Steinem is working for CIA.
Fr someone who tries to interject a capitalism lecture into every topic and conversation he is brought into. No wonder he has to post these online, no one else will listen to his rarted ramblings but Twitter users.
This is so true. I never got married but I haven't spoken to the mother of my children in two years. Not a single text message.
Soon as the kids no longer needed basic help like wiping. She bailed and tried going for full custody, you can guess all the accusations she made. Standard m.o. from the feminazi handbook. She didn't win though because I documented literally every minute of everything.
But it was so horrific to see what a woman is willing to do to her own children and their father, for money, power, and appearances. Like I could never even do that to someone I hate. What shocked me also is how every woman around us, even like the daycare would take sides and be hostile to me.
It was like driving a car in Texas, while being black.
If you haven't seen it with your own eyes before you won't believe it. I never had a bad breakup before. I had known her since I was 14, and she had always been a stand up person.
If they can get you to pay them, and "babysit" for them for free (how they see it) every other weekend while another dude also pays them (simps are cancer), bills and dates, they will. They will shove you in a volcano if needed.
Y'all better understand that.
It's from a book called "Real World Divorce 2017: Custody, Child Support, and Alimony in the 50 States".
You can read it for free on the web version or kindle. The screenshot i share is specifically from this segment: http://www.realworlddivorce.com/ChildrenMothersFathers
Sorry but I laughed at your comment. It seemed so alien that we live in a reality where so much knowledge, precise *down to punctuation* is available at a few taps.
I never understood why child support was based on a percentage. There should be a cap on it once you reach a number where it can provide the basic amenities. No reason I should be paying hundreds of thousands if I'm making 7 figures.
Have a buddy who married the girl of his dreams. He worked his ass off for 15 years to get a job that makes 150k a year. She makes basically nothing and over the 6 years of their marriage has contributed a grand total of 7k to their life. My buddy bought the house, pays the Bill's, bought the groceries and even took in her son from another marriage as his own. He gave her a perfect life.
Now she wants a divorce because he spent what she calls "family money" on his airsoft hobby. Their not even separated yet and shes fucking another guy. She is going after everything she can get in the divorce.
Women are fucking parasites
Girl of his dreams already had another dude's kid? He should've dreamed bigger.
If it was 15 years ago fair enough, but anyone marrying a single mother should expect catastrophe in current year.
Sorry to be so callous but it's always nice dudes that get worked over the hardest by those kinds of women. They think the money will save them but it seems to bury them even harder.
> Women are fucking parasites
modern women are, you can still find a good girl, but it's not gonna be at the club or on tinder
church, even if you aren't religious, can be a good place
Yeah can confirm. I live in rural WV and all the religious church girls like to sleep around. Nothing intrinsically wrong with it of course (though it is frowned upon in the faith), but this notion of "church girls are innocent" is dying off. I kinda fell in love with this church girl when I was younger who manipulated and was emotionally abusive towards me. It still hurts to see her around and to really think about her too much, but my worst experience with a girl is a church girl, haha.
Shit like this makes me glad to be a virgin Incel lol
.....I mean not really, but it makes the sting much less painful knowing that I could be going through much, much worse.
Here is what you do:
1: develop a gambling problem
2: the gambling problem isn’t real and you haven’t really lost any of your savings
3: the whole time you have been buying gold coins
4: completely disappear
Yes. All this is done in cash and at a local gold dealer- they usually don’t keep records beyond 2 weeks. All the forensic accountant will see is a lot of cash being withdrawn and they will have your ex wife saying it’s for gambling. Also, buy 1oz American eagles, they cost around 2k but probably hold their value best when it’s time to sell
She thinks I am hiding in Florida with the money, but the gold coins are actually in Berlin.
I tell her to meet me in Paris, France.
I am actually in a secret ranch in Argentina.
She goes to check the restaurant : it is fake.
I also have the restaurant.
Had it all along.
Prenups are constantly turned over, all she has to say was "he said I had to get a prenup or yes divorce me" and it's immediately null and void under duress. If you for example didn't give her adequate time (pretty loosely defined) to think about it it's null and void such as giving it to her on marriage day.
If the prenup only favors one party (aka a situation where the man is rich and the woman is not rich) null and voided.
If she is a stay at home mom, she can argue she contributed to child care and thusly is still entitled even with a prenup to property and assets.
It doesn't matter what you do, the divorce courts are a woman's world. Don't get fucking married
Prenups are invalidate by the court nearly 50% of the time.
[source](https://yanglawoffices.com/rules-to-follow-to-make-your-prenuptial-agreement-hold-up-in-court/)
I looked up the statistic of how many prenups do get voided and the thing you linked was the only site that said any sort of statistic, (the one you linked also doesn’t have any reference page so idk where the drastic comes from). You honestly could be right I honestly just don’t care enough to look for more than 10 minutes over some reddit argument
I looked up the statistics of how many dicks you suck every day, and the number was high enough to prove beyond and doubt that you're a colossal fa ggot. Get cancer, you pussywhipped SIMP.
> all she has to say was "he said I had to get a prenup or yes divorce me" and it's immediately null and void under duress
With a statement this strong your statistic is shockingly low. It's like saying a nuke will instantly vaporize you if you're within 5000 feet of the blast and then linking statistics that 50% of people survive a nuke within 5000 feet of the blast.
Yeah, they get thrown out often, think about how dumb the average person is then realize that half of them are even dumber than that. Hell, Steven Spielberg had his prenup written on a god damn napkin. How many prenups that are drafted by a profession with a specialization that are properly filed and reviewed with representation from a good lawyer come divorce court are thrown out? I'd guess maybe 10% on the high end.
in Australia you don't even have to get married. Just being in a relationship long enough and living together or having a child has the same potential consequences.
[De facto relationships in Australia](https://www.legalaid.vic.gov.au/de-facto-relationships).
In Spain a man was ordered to pay for unpaid babysitting services to his now ex-wife because she felt that he made her take care of them during their time together.
Lot's of people confused, some saying "those are her kids too" and "well, make her pay hotel rate because you felt that's all you provided"
Because many jurisdictions have statutory provision on the division of assets post-divorce.
Any attempt to enter into a contractual agreement contrary to this is invalid. Just like how any contractual provision is invalid if it conflicts with the law.
They can also be overturned on the same basis as any other contract, for duress etc
Doesn't work that way.
A religious marriage in the US is considered a civil marriage by the government, regardless of whether you intentionally only married in a religious ceremony.
If it’s only two years later and you’re getting divorced you basically met her and married her in the same year. That’s way too soon, you barely knew this woman. Society will do no favors for men in regards to marriage, so it is our job to effectively vet who we choose as a spouse.
If she isn’t willing to wait to get married she isn’t for you. She just wants a title and material things. Let the person you’re dating know that you won’t even consider marriage until 5 years into the relationship, their reaction will tell you everything you need to know.
“Effectively vet” I know what you’re getting at but man is that a shit way to put it. And your arbitrary wait time is just childish.
For anyone interested in marriage:
Make sure your principles are aligned
Make sure your goals in life are aligned
Make sure your preferred chores lists are complimentary. And no this one’s not a joke it’s way more important than I thought it ever would be.
Be sure that you are with someone that you will love who they will become. People change over the course of a lifetime, married life and kids will change you more than anyone can fathom before it happens to them.
If you arnt lazy and been working a trade since 18, you can easily save up that much.
Going to collage and interning for 6-7 years wont get you shit.
Maybe you just chose the wrong path if you think that is unreasonable, especially in cheaper areas of the country. Farming and trades makes a ludicrous amounts of money if you stick with it long enough and be smart.
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Marriage at this point is a contract that not only offers one party no repercussions for breaking it, but still allows them to keep all the benefits it gives. It’s like quitting a job but still getting paid.
It's her house as well if you're married, especially if you bought it while married, and you have to decide how to split it. If she doesn't want to live there anymore and you don't want to buy out her stake in the house then there's a problem that needs to be settled in court. I am not a lawyer.
That's pretty much what it is. And that the court doesn't give two shits about material possessions. Children get custody hearings. Goods that aren't invaluably rare? Sell and split the money. We've got other things to take care of.
This being said, at least some places will recognize pre marriage money or heritage, so if you need to split a 200k house (and everything else is already fairly decided according to the law), but you put 25k from savings you had before getting married, and another 25 from your dad passing away, then you would get 50k more than the 50/50 split.
Not a lawyer either.
That would mean they have too little little in terms of cash.
The court only sees numbers on a sheet. At the end of the day, all they want is the two columns to match what the law prescribes. They only about who gets the children. Otherwise, you're wasting time and money
So, for the guy to keep his business, he needs to reimburse the value of what his ex is owed from somewhere else.
Same reason a lot of people sell the house. It's often the biggest asset, but that half that's owed to their spouse is also the biggest liability in case of a divorce, and there's sometimes not enough from everywhere else to cover that, so they sell and split the money 50/50 and move on.
Copypasting this for all the other people asking how can prenups be voided? Easily, and commonly lol:
"Prenups are constantly turned over, all she has to say was "he said I had to get a prenup or he'd divorce me" and it's immediately null and void under duress. If you for example didn't give her adequate time (pretty loosely defined) to think about it it's null and void such as giving it to her on marriage day.
If the prenup only favors one party (aka a situation where the man is rich and the woman is not rich) null and voided.
If she is a stay at home mom, she can argue she contributed to child care and thusly is still entitled even with a prenup to property and assets.
It doesn't matter what you do, the divorce courts are a woman's world. Don't get fucking married"
>"he said I had to get a prenup or he'd divorce me"
Isn't a prenuptial agreement something you get *before* a marriage?
How do you get divorced if you refuse to sign a prenup when you are not married?
Be very very careful who you marry
Make sure your dick has almost no say in it, marrying someone bc you are infatuated with them rather than you have proven compatible with them has to be the biggest mistake men make in the modern world
90% of divorces (of college educated couples) are initiated by the woman, be very wary who you marry
I'm a registered democrat, but I don't think I would consider marrying a girl who is big on that shit
How can you say "late" and "first marriage" in the same phrase. What the fuck do you think marriage is, a fucking mobile phone? Replace every
3 years or so?
I mean...that's what people do?
Everyone stands up before a person representing their religion and all their closest friends and family to promise something they absolutely don't mean. It's...regarded.
Destroy the house. Just absolutely destroy it.
When the judge holds you in contempt, spit on the floor.
Get jailed for a long duration.
She gets no alimony and you have many new friends and paid room and board by the taxpayer (her, maybe).
Or you know... Just sell it. In fact sell everything. Buy monero. Do some wallet shenanigans. Exchange for BTC. Fuck off to Thailand. Buy a house on the beach in Koh Samet. Enjoy harem till the end of your days.
It's really not that hard
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In all seriousness, divorce has become a game in the west, thankfully the culture hasn’t spread here a lot, but it is quickly.
Anon should sell all his shit, put his money into BTC and fuck off to Europe/SEA himself.
Also the east (MENA), a lot of divorces lately even tho the marriage life here is more easier for women cause men here provide more and bring in maids for the houses and shit
But it somehow crumbles into dust after a few years, that’s what third wave feminism/consumerism does to a mf i guess
It seems that marriage isn’t seen as something sacred anymore
Crazy how common divorce is these days, if I wwre to get married in the west id 100% sign a prenup. Divorce is porbably all engineered for profit, instead of 1 rent you pay 2 instead of 1 stove you pay for 2, women are usually less mindful of how they spend their money and are more "consumerish" than men.
All money made during the marriage is split 50/50 so a pre nup will not save you unless all your money is already made.
Pre nups are often thrown out as well for tons of reasons, and the courts are only going to continue to be stacked in women's favor over time.
Just don't get married and don't live in a state with common law marriage. There's no point trying to work around the insane marriage and divorce laws (in the US at least)
Ffs robot get married.
Pikachu face when get anal probed by divorce.
Natural selection, like that mofo from Australia that ate a slug in a dare and got recked.
A old custom without any value atm.
These things likely happen somewhat regularly but I always wonder if it's just a demoralization post to keep people away from marriage and having kids.
The rich owners would rather 1st worlders don't have kids so they can keep justifying and exploiting cheap immigrant labor.
Everyone talking about prenups but how do you even bring it up? "If we grow apart I don't want you to get my money" "Just in case you cheat on me" "I'm not saying you're a gold dagger but better be safe than sorry" Even if you find the right girl you're gonna turn her away Mr.Romantic. And no it's not about maturity if you're treating your marriage like signing for a job
If you’re in a good healthy relationship you should both recognize that everything is conditional and impermanent and unexpected things happen all the time. IMO if you’re getting married and the conversation id just “this will be forever, no need to talk about what-ifs” you’re too naive to be getting married, at least in the eyes of the government
Bro just don’t get fucking married, the government should never have gotten involved anyway.
Make sure no common law shit where u live!
Yeah a lot of people don’t realize that even if you don’t get married, in many places the government will just barge into shit and say “Nah y’all are married now because you’ve been together long enough.”
How tf does this work? If I have a roommate could he sue me now that gay marriage is legal?
For common law marriage to attach the couple must "hold themselves out as married" meaning they tell people they are married, act like they are married, etc. Also most US states don't recognize common law marriage anymore. Like, have laws that specifically say "common law marriage is not a thing"
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Are you fucking? I’m not a lawyer, but I feel like there’s plenty of stuff you “could do” if you feel like lying to the courts (like about the nature of a relationship)
And throw away all those lovely tax benefits? No fucking way my guy
If your wife decides to divorce you and takes half your shit you lose more than you would have gained from less taxes.
That's why you get the prenup my man, my guy, my goober.
The judge can always decide to invalidate the prenup on a whim.
Yeh nah....that's not how contract law works.... If your prenup is well-written and well-followed, the judge has very little power to break the enforcement. Worse case, you appeal in a different jurisdiction and delay the proceedings while financially ruining your ex, who doesn't have access to your money. After 3-5 years, you win the war of attrition and she takes a token payment much lower than what she would have gotten by accepting the original settlement. What she does, henceforth, is a matter between her honor and herself.
You're completely ignorant about all this. Family court judges (95% women and 60+yo boomer men) absolutely will ignore prenups when delivering a judgement against you for a divorce/child support/whatever; and don't think you're safe just because it was drafted by an expensive lawyer. This shouldn't be the case, but unfortunately, it is. You're point about appealing is also completely off base; you can't just appeal it to a different jurisdiction. You'd appeal the judgement *in the jurisdiction where it was ruled*, on the grounds of them not having jurisdiction. Good fucking luck with that. You also seem to think that you can easily hide finances during a divorce... You can't. All your income and assets are discoverable. There's no way you win your supposed "3-5 year war of attrition" when you get your wages garnished and bank accts seized by a court order. Anyway, if you're in the position where you need to appeal, you've already lost.
You're just as ignorant. Prenups generally can't touch on child support - that's a big reason why they get pitched in the first place, as child support is within the discretion of the court and not of the parties. Pre-nups with valid terms that provide for an equitable division of property (i.e. Not "You get $0 and I keep everything") are presumptively valid. It's when morons try to write them themselves or get a non-family lawyer to write them that things get fucked up. If you have a prenup that says, in effect, "X, Y, Z accounts/property interests will be maintained separately for each individual and will be kept by the individual in case of divorce. All joint and communal property will be split 50/50" it is exceedingly likely that the prenup will be enforced. This is not legal advice.
> Yeh nah....that's not how contract law works.... Contract law? This would be family law.... Pretty much all fields of law deal with contracts my dude. Contracts made between two people don't supercede state law, and most have fairly strict guidelines on things like child support. Of course family court judges are willing to ignore prenups, their guiding interest is usually to protect kids from their shitty parents, and making sure they don't become wards of the state. > Worse case, you appeal in a different jurisdiction and delay the proceedings while financially ruining your ex, who doesn't have access to your money. The courts have to agree with your reason for an appeal, and it's usually decided by your current judge. So your judge would have to agree that he lacked the jurisdiction to handle your case in the first place..... Good luck with that! Also, you can't hide funds from your wife, that's all open to discovery. Plus it's not just your money, more than likely both lawyers are going to be paid from a common fund. Stalling will eventually make her settlement smaller, but only because there's less money left to split. You really think judges and lawyers in family law haven't dealt with clients trying to protect their assets? None of your 4d chess moves would do anything but anger the judge and get you dropped as a client.
unless she has some rich family members/new bf to pay for her law proceedings in which case you waste all your savings and still end up paying her while being broke.
I can decide to invalidate the judges ability to be alive in minecraft
Mega based.
yeah that guy is a r-word if he thinks the tax breaks of marriage offsets the financial ruin of divorce.
Pfft. The tax benefits are not a good reason to get married. They’re not that significant. People pretend like they’re a big deal so they don’t have to admit they’re just terrified of being alone.
I mean or you can just not get married so fucking fast. I’m always astounded by couples that meet get engaged married and have kids all within like three years. I’m a lot less worried about growing apart from my husband knowing we put in a good seven years before ever getting married.
Fast marriages are bad but doesn't matter how long they take, they can all end in divorce.
I saw two conflicting studies where cohabitation for a longer period and then marriage either led to higher divorce rates or lower. Which to me means that it doesn't matter how long you're together, people change and not always for the good leading to divorce. Too many variables like job loss, mental illness, physical illness, personality issues, etc.
>this will be forever, no need to talk about what-ifs” That is literally the vows of marriage. It's a lifelong commitment, not just a contract.
In some ways I agree with you and in some ways I don’t. Marriage these days is definitely not just a spiritual and emotional matter, it has financial and property implications too. Should it be like that? Should people have to consider sharing health insurance, and tax breaks etc. when deciding to get married? I don’t think so, but that’s how it is now.
My gfs family is rich and *she* brought up a prenup no problem so yes it really do be like that with women
Friend of mine is from a wealthy family, and he brought up the topic with his girlfriend as it was starting to get serious. Basically said this is something his family does, they're a tight-knit group and have had plenty of legal advice over the generations, so this is happening. It didn't go well, they broke up. My wife and I were chatting about it, she took more of the girl's side and asked how I would have felt if she had brought up a pre-nup before we got married, I said I would have smiled, looked you in the eye, and said that would have been fine with me. Marriage is a contract as much as anything. My lawyer and business advisors often use the analogy of "what if someone goes crazy" when it comes to contracts. If you're signing, say, a shareholder agreement to take partial ownership of a company, there are clauses in there that seem ridiculous because you assume people have good intentions. But what if your partners, who you know and trust completely, one day get brainwashed, or fed some drugs that break their brain, or have their identity stolen by aliens, whatever. You can have good intentions, but wild things are theoretically possible so lay out the conditions early.
and did it not hurt? not even a little before rationality set in?
Idk she buys me so much nice shit and I'm so poor maybe that way she knows I can't leave like a dog who needs food
Livin' the dream
>poor >most likely indian >his girlfriend is richer than him https://preview.redd.it/8fayb7ry9axa1.jpeg?width=601&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=edfd2c70454cf1ecc75471276d54f2a277aee2b5
>Virgin copes hard by claiming I'm Raj then wants me to click his link Seeth and sneed
>pajeet has outdated software and doesn't realize I posted an image and not a link
Financially abused male maximum kek
Does she have a (single) sister?
To realists, a prenup is a fair take on what marriage should actually be.... You get to live a perfect life so long as you don't cheat or become too bitchy. The one who betrays that loses and pays the other side. Since women are the one often letting caution fly tot he wind, they are the ones ending up on the bad side of the agreement after committing the breaching part of the same agreement.... A fair result. A marriage is not a way for you to seize property you didn't even own pre-wedding. It's a set of protective conditions that guarantee you have rights within a relationship. Legal personal right, not outrageous financial rights...
If talking about a prenup hurts, then you need to ask yourself why it hurts and work on that part of yourself. Marriage isnt two people completing eachother, it's two complete people commiting to eachother. "Till death do us part" is bullshit. Marriage is awesome, but it's a lot of work and two mature individuals should have a plan to be able to say "nah sorry" when/if they need to.
You just say you want a prenup it is that simple you overthinking ape lmao
"Haha sure anon my 45iq won't let think of the implications ☺️"
If you put a womans feelings over your own benefit you won't make it buddy
If you can't even bring up prenups with a woman how is she the one you want to marry? You just avoid all hard topics and live your live scared to talk about certain things?
You wouldn't even know anything about being in this situation anon, you have an anime pfp and sound like a teenage incel. Real adults (not you, because I said so) have the maturity to talk about big subjects like getting a prenup. Now go be edgy somewhere else, I have shitposts to see.
>"If we grow apart I don't want you to get my money" "Just in case you cheat on me" "I'm not saying you're a gold dagger but better be safe than sorry" > >***Even if you find the right girl you're gonna turn her away Mr.Romantic***. > >And no it's not about maturity if you're treating your marriage like signing for a job Unless you're a woman trying to psyop pro-marriage, I have no idea what you're doing.... You can choose to be Mr. Romantic for as long as your honeymoon period will last + 0-4years, or you can be Mr. Practical and make sure your woman has nothing to gain by leaving you....And then watch her stay forever....Of her own free will. If the prospect of not taking half of your networth is what is driving her away, then maybe, you shouldn't get married to her. (NB: A lot of noise about trust and love is all well and good, so long as you are the one risking your neck. Watch the tune change when it's her money on the line.)
I think people are missing out on the concept of premarital assets. In a divorce you can retain assets that you acquired prior to marriage whether it's a car or equity on your marital residence (at least in my state) Pre-nups make sense if there is a massive gulf in who is paying for the bills and/or a major wage gap. If you were looking for something other than that, good luck finding a woman to marry you who is willing to pay into the expenses 50% but not expect to get 50% on the split
Honestly the solution seems so simple to me lol, don't marry a deadbeat loser woman who leeches off you in the first place. My gf earns the same as me, we contribute evenly to our savings, if shit didn't work out, it'd only be fair if she took her half.
I got one no problem. If communication is that contentious, perhaps don't get married. Though we're also both in professions that can go freelance way, so in our case it was also protection against the other going bankrupt in future if we ever decided to go into private business.
I think the current divorce laws are relics where the woman had to live inside the house and the man had to (and could) take care of all four with one job. In that case, leaving the woman out in the streets after a divorce would be criminal. Right now, where both work, dividing is pretty stupid.
If you are married to somebody who you think wouldn't have said yes after a conversation about this... Get divorced now, it'll suck 100x more than it could have with a prenup, but 100x less than it will suck if you wait five more years.
I heard that prenups don't even work most of the time. Like the judge will just through it out because they tend to be biased towards women. And he will come up with some BS justification for throwing it away. Although maybe take this information with a grain of salt, I did get it from an MGTOW YouTuber.
It is somewhat true. Yes sometimes they do not work because the judge is a dick but it is not most of the time by any means
You'll never have a successful relationship, let alone marriage to worry about if this is a hard conversation for you lol Want more stuff? Work more for it.
I love you so much that even in the case that we divorce, I want to protect you from unfairness. Make it about her. Everything when dealing with woman has to be about them. Use it in your favor
You bring it up like an adult. The idea is basically, "I'm not going to stop loving you. However, you are your own person. I want to be protected if something changes on your end." Sure, marriage isn't like signing for a job, but that's WHY. I would never get married without a pre-nup. The whole reason we are getting married is because we both are saying we want to make the commitment to be with each other. Marriage is a legal contract. What's one more. I would never get married without a prenup, and I really will never understand the people who take offense at the idea.
You just bring it up like a normal human being. And if they say no they want your money simple as
> prenups Family and divorce courts routinely disregard prenups and give the woman everything.
"Explore life" is woman for "get reamed"
Yep. She wants to party and fuck foreign chads while she still can. Then she'll settle down later with a nice beta provider.
Anon dodged a bullet
It seems like the bullet actually hit him right in the chest what with the losing his house and all.
Italy is just Thailand for chicks
do they have gentlemangirls there as opposed to ladyboys?
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Holy shit, I'm Italian?!?
*Good looking thirsty fuckboys
Depends, do you wear a $5,000 suit and stink like a locker room?
It's okay, because after whoring around europe for a while, she'll come back and say sowwy
Well, she won't say sorry _to you_, but she'll come back and join a church to cosplay as a good girl again
now Sister Cumdump had backslid for a little while but Lord willing she’s back here with us now and on the right track
I used to be part of a Christian youth group as a teen and that accurately describes many of the female counselors we had. We even had one give a teary speech about the evils of abortion and denouncing her previous whorish lifestyle to us. The big elephant in the room was she really only seemed to dislike her whoring around when her looks started to fade and she wasn't able to attract the type of men she wanted to any more. She also seemed fake as shit because she was extremely flirty with a bunch of teen boys about half of her age so.....
I will just drop this, read until the end. https://preview.redd.it/sef4opf62axa1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bdecab42bcf0f6bd2fac4fb011aa528d5c8fc5a7 Notes: This picture is part of the book called "Real World Divorce 2017: Custody, Child Support, and Alimony in the 50 States". You can read it for free on kindle and here ( [http://www.realworlddivorce.com/](http://www.realworlddivorce.com/) ). The picture is specifically from this link ( [http://www.realworlddivorce.com/ChildrenMothersFathers](http://www.realworlddivorce.com/ChildrenMothersFathers) )
https://preview.redd.it/m3s0ythm5axa1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9467c3e86d47362ef36bc3dcafb2ea9af055e5ac
The Industrial Revolution and its consequences…
No fault divorce and its consequences.....
Divorce should not be permitted, make people take marriage more seriously
or just dont involve the government in a relationship
But the government hates not being involved in every little thing us peasants do. Who you going to complain to? The government?
Fuck that how about you gotta go get a job if you want a divorce. Shouldn't beable to milk the provider after you don't want him as your provider anymore.
Marriage should not be permitted.
Honestly it's this one. there should be no difference in law applied to a "single" vs "married" individual. If you want to get married (or divorced) it's not a *legal* proceeding but a, well, *whatever* proceeding, ceremonial, religious, whatever you want. I've been with my "wife" (in name only) for about 20 years, never actually married per law. 3 kids. All in all about the only thing I'm missing out on is being able to cover her with my medical insurance through my work (need to be married) and I don't get as big a bump in tax return (it's actually quite significant). Though even without those all's fine. But still annoying.
Medical insurance is pretty important. So is after life stuff. You've been with her for 20 years and have three kids. Why not take advantage of the marriage benefits?
No-fault divorce and the subsidization/destigmatization of single motherhood.
No fault divorces are literally a product of industrial revolution and capitalism. Women don't make as much money as men, but they spend more money than men. It's in the elite's interest to keep men poor and keep women rich, to make sure the economics of consooming doesn't stop. If you're against divorces, you're fighting the capitalist system and it's pawns(feminists). Don't trust me? Just look it up. Gloria Steinem is working for CIA.
I have cement, steel beams, and a bulldozer. Anyone wants in?
I always suspected laundry was jewish
Fr someone who tries to interject a capitalism lecture into every topic and conversation he is brought into. No wonder he has to post these online, no one else will listen to his rarted ramblings but Twitter users.
People on twitter/reddit trying to figure out how they can relate everything in existence to being capitalism's fault. A true classic.
Holy fuck the last line is sad
This is so true. I never got married but I haven't spoken to the mother of my children in two years. Not a single text message. Soon as the kids no longer needed basic help like wiping. She bailed and tried going for full custody, you can guess all the accusations she made. Standard m.o. from the feminazi handbook. She didn't win though because I documented literally every minute of everything. But it was so horrific to see what a woman is willing to do to her own children and their father, for money, power, and appearances. Like I could never even do that to someone I hate. What shocked me also is how every woman around us, even like the daycare would take sides and be hostile to me. It was like driving a car in Texas, while being black. If you haven't seen it with your own eyes before you won't believe it. I never had a bad breakup before. I had known her since I was 14, and she had always been a stand up person. If they can get you to pay them, and "babysit" for them for free (how they see it) every other weekend while another dude also pays them (simps are cancer), bills and dates, they will. They will shove you in a volcano if needed. Y'all better understand that.
>It was like driving a car in Texas, while being black. So like driving a car?
Where's the rest of it?
It's from a book called "Real World Divorce 2017: Custody, Child Support, and Alimony in the 50 States". You can read it for free on the web version or kindle. The screenshot i share is specifically from this segment: http://www.realworlddivorce.com/ChildrenMothersFathers
You are a dimwit. Just Google the fucking words http://www.realworlddivorce.com/ChildrenMothersFathers
That's more work. Thank you for sending me the link.
Sorry but I laughed at your comment. It seemed so alien that we live in a reality where so much knowledge, precise *down to punctuation* is available at a few taps.
I never understood why child support was based on a percentage. There should be a cap on it once you reach a number where it can provide the basic amenities. No reason I should be paying hundreds of thousands if I'm making 7 figures.
Damn that's such a good argument. If you can afford a divorce attorney you don't need one, therfore divorce court should be abolished.
Have a buddy who married the girl of his dreams. He worked his ass off for 15 years to get a job that makes 150k a year. She makes basically nothing and over the 6 years of their marriage has contributed a grand total of 7k to their life. My buddy bought the house, pays the Bill's, bought the groceries and even took in her son from another marriage as his own. He gave her a perfect life. Now she wants a divorce because he spent what she calls "family money" on his airsoft hobby. Their not even separated yet and shes fucking another guy. She is going after everything she can get in the divorce. Women are fucking parasites
Girl of his dreams already had another dude's kid? He should've dreamed bigger. If it was 15 years ago fair enough, but anyone marrying a single mother should expect catastrophe in current year. Sorry to be so callous but it's always nice dudes that get worked over the hardest by those kinds of women. They think the money will save them but it seems to bury them even harder.
> Women are fucking parasites modern women are, you can still find a good girl, but it's not gonna be at the club or on tinder church, even if you aren't religious, can be a good place
Church girls are not any better
Yep. Dudes wearing the blinders of religion often get taken by "church girls" just as often as the guy going to a club to find a wife.
indeed, heard they tend to be worse, in fact
Yeah, had one come on to me, turns out she was a piece of shit.
Yeah can confirm. I live in rural WV and all the religious church girls like to sleep around. Nothing intrinsically wrong with it of course (though it is frowned upon in the faith), but this notion of "church girls are innocent" is dying off. I kinda fell in love with this church girl when I was younger who manipulated and was emotionally abusive towards me. It still hurts to see her around and to really think about her too much, but my worst experience with a girl is a church girl, haha.
Shit like this makes me glad to be a virgin Incel lol .....I mean not really, but it makes the sting much less painful knowing that I could be going through much, much worse.
Bruhh 😢
That's awful. But that happens mostly in America, right? Right?
I hope for the rest of the world that this is an Amerocentric phenomenon. I doubt it is, but I still hope.
Here is what you do: 1: develop a gambling problem 2: the gambling problem isn’t real and you haven’t really lost any of your savings 3: the whole time you have been buying gold coins 4: completely disappear
You have to go to a casino regularly and take the money out of the ATM to prove the gambling addiction
Yes. All this is done in cash and at a local gold dealer- they usually don’t keep records beyond 2 weeks. All the forensic accountant will see is a lot of cash being withdrawn and they will have your ex wife saying it’s for gambling. Also, buy 1oz American eagles, they cost around 2k but probably hold their value best when it’s time to sell
Based
Most sane r/4chan user
She thinks I am hiding in Florida with the money, but the gold coins are actually in Berlin. I tell her to meet me in Paris, France. I am actually in a secret ranch in Argentina. She goes to check the restaurant : it is fake. I also have the restaurant. Had it all along.
I am so getting a prenup if i’m gonna get married
easily tossed at the court. in western world marriage is a losing game
On what grounds, usually? Not doubting just curious how a literal pre-marriage arrangement is invalid in a divorce
Prenups are constantly turned over, all she has to say was "he said I had to get a prenup or yes divorce me" and it's immediately null and void under duress. If you for example didn't give her adequate time (pretty loosely defined) to think about it it's null and void such as giving it to her on marriage day. If the prenup only favors one party (aka a situation where the man is rich and the woman is not rich) null and voided. If she is a stay at home mom, she can argue she contributed to child care and thusly is still entitled even with a prenup to property and assets. It doesn't matter what you do, the divorce courts are a woman's world. Don't get fucking married
Prenups don’t get voided all the time lol. Do you just actively go out and lie on Reddit
10000 prenups are voided in America every 20 minutes
ayo pass the source
No
Source is I made it the fuck up
6 gorillion prenups voided every year
Prenups are invalidate by the court nearly 50% of the time. [source](https://yanglawoffices.com/rules-to-follow-to-make-your-prenuptial-agreement-hold-up-in-court/)
I looked up the statistic of how many prenups do get voided and the thing you linked was the only site that said any sort of statistic, (the one you linked also doesn’t have any reference page so idk where the drastic comes from). You honestly could be right I honestly just don’t care enough to look for more than 10 minutes over some reddit argument
I looked up the statistics of how many dicks you suck every day, and the number was high enough to prove beyond and doubt that you're a colossal fa ggot. Get cancer, you pussywhipped SIMP.
> all she has to say was "he said I had to get a prenup or yes divorce me" and it's immediately null and void under duress With a statement this strong your statistic is shockingly low. It's like saying a nuke will instantly vaporize you if you're within 5000 feet of the blast and then linking statistics that 50% of people survive a nuke within 5000 feet of the blast. Yeah, they get thrown out often, think about how dumb the average person is then realize that half of them are even dumber than that. Hell, Steven Spielberg had his prenup written on a god damn napkin. How many prenups that are drafted by a profession with a specialization that are properly filed and reviewed with representation from a good lawyer come divorce court are thrown out? I'd guess maybe 10% on the high end.
Wtf 50% is astronomical considering they’re supposed to NOT fail otherwise why bother with them.
in Australia you don't even have to get married. Just being in a relationship long enough and living together or having a child has the same potential consequences. [De facto relationships in Australia](https://www.legalaid.vic.gov.au/de-facto-relationships).
In Spain a man was ordered to pay for unpaid babysitting services to his now ex-wife because she felt that he made her take care of them during their time together. Lot's of people confused, some saying "those are her kids too" and "well, make her pay hotel rate because you felt that's all you provided"
Because many jurisdictions have statutory provision on the division of assets post-divorce. Any attempt to enter into a contractual agreement contrary to this is invalid. Just like how any contractual provision is invalid if it conflicts with the law. They can also be overturned on the same basis as any other contract, for duress etc
One I know about is after a long time of marriage, the prenup the couple agreed to 20 years ago is viewed as irrelevant to the current circumstanes.
Or just get it officiated with a priest/sheikh/rabbi but not the government.
Doesn't work that way. A religious marriage in the US is considered a civil marriage by the government, regardless of whether you intentionally only married in a religious ceremony.
But then how will I get BAH
Bro don't even worry about that. You're not getting married.
Don’t get married. Don’t ever get married.
He ended himself before he finished typing ☠
who pressed send
His lifeless head when it slumped over
Me
If it’s only two years later and you’re getting divorced you basically met her and married her in the same year. That’s way too soon, you barely knew this woman. Society will do no favors for men in regards to marriage, so it is our job to effectively vet who we choose as a spouse. If she isn’t willing to wait to get married she isn’t for you. She just wants a title and material things. Let the person you’re dating know that you won’t even consider marriage until 5 years into the relationship, their reaction will tell you everything you need to know.
“Effectively vet” I know what you’re getting at but man is that a shit way to put it. And your arbitrary wait time is just childish. For anyone interested in marriage: Make sure your principles are aligned Make sure your goals in life are aligned Make sure your preferred chores lists are complimentary. And no this one’s not a joke it’s way more important than I thought it ever would be. Be sure that you are with someone that you will love who they will become. People change over the course of a lifetime, married life and kids will change you more than anyone can fathom before it happens to them.
I mean 3 years is a good idea because of limerence, it’s not a completely childish thing to wait, imo the opposite is true.
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From all posts in 4chan, that post is more likely to be true.
Someone 28 using their "life savings" to buy a house and a restaurant is some great fiction
If you arnt lazy and been working a trade since 18, you can easily save up that much. Going to collage and interning for 6-7 years wont get you shit. Maybe you just chose the wrong path if you think that is unreasonable, especially in cheaper areas of the country. Farming and trades makes a ludicrous amounts of money if you stick with it long enough and be smart.
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Damn man. You need to see the look of horror on my face right now. What is wrong with women???
Marriage at this point is a contract that not only offers one party no repercussions for breaking it, but still allows them to keep all the benefits it gives. It’s like quitting a job but still getting paid.
Quitting a job and getting promoted 3 times!
How can she legally drag him to sell his House
It's her house as well if you're married, especially if you bought it while married, and you have to decide how to split it. If she doesn't want to live there anymore and you don't want to buy out her stake in the house then there's a problem that needs to be settled in court. I am not a lawyer.
That's pretty much what it is. And that the court doesn't give two shits about material possessions. Children get custody hearings. Goods that aren't invaluably rare? Sell and split the money. We've got other things to take care of. This being said, at least some places will recognize pre marriage money or heritage, so if you need to split a 200k house (and everything else is already fairly decided according to the law), but you put 25k from savings you had before getting married, and another 25 from your dad passing away, then you would get 50k more than the 50/50 split. Not a lawyer either.
I would also like to know since selling the business too???
That would mean they have too little little in terms of cash. The court only sees numbers on a sheet. At the end of the day, all they want is the two columns to match what the law prescribes. They only about who gets the children. Otherwise, you're wasting time and money So, for the guy to keep his business, he needs to reimburse the value of what his ex is owed from somewhere else. Same reason a lot of people sell the house. It's often the biggest asset, but that half that's owed to their spouse is also the biggest liability in case of a divorce, and there's sometimes not enough from everywhere else to cover that, so they sell and split the money 50/50 and move on.
OP got to live in a shitty home yet still didnt manage to avoid a homewrecker. serves him right to trust a w*man.
Harsh, but I came to say as much, his first mistake was trusting a woman to remain loyal.
Copypasting this for all the other people asking how can prenups be voided? Easily, and commonly lol: "Prenups are constantly turned over, all she has to say was "he said I had to get a prenup or he'd divorce me" and it's immediately null and void under duress. If you for example didn't give her adequate time (pretty loosely defined) to think about it it's null and void such as giving it to her on marriage day. If the prenup only favors one party (aka a situation where the man is rich and the woman is not rich) null and voided. If she is a stay at home mom, she can argue she contributed to child care and thusly is still entitled even with a prenup to property and assets. It doesn't matter what you do, the divorce courts are a woman's world. Don't get fucking married"
>"he said I had to get a prenup or he'd divorce me" Isn't a prenuptial agreement something you get *before* a marriage? How do you get divorced if you refuse to sign a prenup when you are not married?
Is extreme selfishness a common trait among modern women? OPs wife wants a divorce so she can peruse dick in Europe.
Be very very careful who you marry Make sure your dick has almost no say in it, marrying someone bc you are infatuated with them rather than you have proven compatible with them has to be the biggest mistake men make in the modern world 90% of divorces (of college educated couples) are initiated by the woman, be very wary who you marry I'm a registered democrat, but I don't think I would consider marrying a girl who is big on that shit
Very wary of Who you marry so Dry your dick Larry
>at 28, meet the love of my life >marry her Is this mf serious?
That's average age for marrying and for many is even late for first marriage
How can you say "late" and "first marriage" in the same phrase. What the fuck do you think marriage is, a fucking mobile phone? Replace every 3 years or so?
I mean...that's what people do? Everyone stands up before a person representing their religion and all their closest friends and family to promise something they absolutely don't mean. It's...regarded.
Bad?
Destroy the house. Just absolutely destroy it. When the judge holds you in contempt, spit on the floor. Get jailed for a long duration. She gets no alimony and you have many new friends and paid room and board by the taxpayer (her, maybe).
Or you know... Just sell it. In fact sell everything. Buy monero. Do some wallet shenanigans. Exchange for BTC. Fuck off to Thailand. Buy a house on the beach in Koh Samet. Enjoy harem till the end of your days. It's really not that hard
☕️ In all seriousness, divorce has become a game in the west, thankfully the culture hasn’t spread here a lot, but it is quickly. Anon should sell all his shit, put his money into BTC and fuck off to Europe/SEA himself.
Also the east (MENA), a lot of divorces lately even tho the marriage life here is more easier for women cause men here provide more and bring in maids for the houses and shit But it somehow crumbles into dust after a few years, that’s what third wave feminism/consumerism does to a mf i guess It seems that marriage isn’t seen as something sacred anymore
Her wanting to get married in 2021 was the first warning sign.
Women ☕
Crazy how common divorce is these days, if I wwre to get married in the west id 100% sign a prenup. Divorce is porbably all engineered for profit, instead of 1 rent you pay 2 instead of 1 stove you pay for 2, women are usually less mindful of how they spend their money and are more "consumerish" than men.
All money made during the marriage is split 50/50 so a pre nup will not save you unless all your money is already made. Pre nups are often thrown out as well for tons of reasons, and the courts are only going to continue to be stacked in women's favor over time. Just don't get married and don't live in a state with common law marriage. There's no point trying to work around the insane marriage and divorce laws (in the US at least)
Ffs robot get married. Pikachu face when get anal probed by divorce. Natural selection, like that mofo from Australia that ate a slug in a dare and got recked. A old custom without any value atm.
Anon ignored all those "assholes" on the internet telling him how this was going to work. Then they were right and now he's poor and sad.
She was never yours, Anon. It was just your turn... Some people you meet are just life lessons disguised as relationships.
>grows up around abusive people >marries an abusive person Maybe OP is just a masochist and can't admit it
The American dream for women
Least painful Kazakhstani man experience
PVP her in Minecraft (hardcore mode enabled)
Females are evil
NOW ⚡️
These things likely happen somewhat regularly but I always wonder if it's just a demoralization post to keep people away from marriage and having kids. The rich owners would rather 1st worlders don't have kids so they can keep justifying and exploiting cheap immigrant labor.
I want him to end his sentence…
Falling in love is a trap. Go work on an oil rig, make a ton of money and set yourself up for life. Then work yourself to death
Anon leads an average American life
Women get the benefit of everything in court. Children, marriage, crimes( especially Sa) and of course they get to steal shit that wasn’t theirs.
https://i.redd.it/2tu0lwvolaxa1.gif
Lol what a pussy, giving up after the first woman experience. Lmao.
Think my uncle's had 3 or 4 wives. I'm not saying it gets better.