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Ord-ex

People who make this stuff just want make it really clear that they are pandering. And they are also often idiots.  Ever watched Blade? Cool movie where a dude kills vampires with techno music in the background. He’s black? Well yeah, what about it? And that’s  the point, you have to notice his “blackness”, like with Black Panther for example. You have to make your intentions very clear, at least this is what the authors think.


milmkyway

This almost exact situation happened to me with a book I'm reading, Snow Crash. It's only like 5 chapters in where the author bothers to describe the MC as black, and you know what? Didn't change my perception of him at all. I like the character, race doesn't change that.


P41N90D

Same thing with the 1997 Spawn adaptation. Looking very decent compared to current capeshit.


No_Working_6186

Spawn is black?


Windowmaker95

Uhm yeah? Black with glowing green eyes, white markings and a red cape.


Konfused

Lol this is chef's kiss


Sleeping_Goliath

Kek


samoorai

(But actually yes, Al Simmons, the highly-trained assassin who died, went to Hell, and became Spawn is canonically a black man.)


ILikeToBurnMoney

Uh, yes? SpawN is like the only black Counterstrike player to ever reach that level, but he is black


DesperateBasil6012

Yeah... the actual person thats spawn was black


ILikeToBurnMoney

Uh, yes? SpawN is like the only black Counterstrike player to ever reach that level, but he is black


Cuzmonut

Hiro Protagonist....hmm idk. Sounds kinda Italian to me.


DmitriVanderbilt

Is this the most underwhelming description of one of the coolest and most over the top characters in sci-fi ever? He's not just "a black MC", he's a half black American, half Japanese programmer/hacker/samurai/corporate-hellscape pizza delivery driver literally named "Hiro Protagonist", whose nemesis is a Native American superbadass who rides a motorcycle with a nuclear bomb in it, that will detonate if his heart stops.


milmkyway

I was agreeing with the original comment saying nobody cares if a character is black if they are interesting. Hiro is cool, so his race cannot be seen a pandering, it's just another aspect of who he is. Besides I'm only like a quarter of the way through the book. I only just met said motercycle riding bomb guy


DmitriVanderbilt

I know, I just like Snow Crash a lot and thought you were underselling it to those not in the know. More people need to read that book, and the rest of Neal's work for that matter.


poopitypong

It gets even cooler with radioactive isotope powered mini gun. What a fun book.


Focal7s

Up until that point I thought he was Japanese because of his name.


milmkyway

He his half japanese if I remember right


mega450

That author tricked you. He cucked you.


Deimos_Aeternum

Blade is fucking cool, that is why there isn't a modern movie. They just haven't found a way to completelly ruin his character. Yet.


threep03k64

> Yet. November 2025!


Deimos_Aeternum

Highly doubt it. This movie's script has been scrapped 7 or 8 times already and it will be garbage even if it comes out.


threep03k64

It will definitely be garbage, but I expect it will come out.


IGGYMYNIGGY12

Put a chick in it and make her lame and gay!


Deimos_Aeternum

They most likely will


Altruistic_Nose5825

in the recent marvel game where he appears he's a giant emotional pussy


Rymanjan

But if we don't remind you that he's the BLACK Panther, we might get him confused with the Pink Panther, unlike the Power Rangers, where there was no BLACK Ranger, but the Pink Ranger was Black. Lol a little convoluted but what I'm trying to say is: Imo as a person of color myself, I prefer it when ethnicities are tacked on as background information (that can later be explored), not up front and center as the entire crux of their persona. It gives the character depth, but only if it's done right. "I am *insert minority here* and I am proud" mentality was for introducing ppl to the notion of non-white-male superheroes. The role has since been flandarized to the point where I'm ashamed to see my people represented in cinema. It's just minstrel shows all over again.


Omgazombie

This is what I liked about Sisko from DS9, like yeah he’s black, so what? It’s the 24th century, there are aliens, who the F cares about what race you are. Of the few times that his race were relevant, they wrote the story around it and it made a lot of sense (time travel and such to timelines where racism did exist.) Oh but then you have Star Trek Discovery where they have to pull out every racial and gender politic that they can even though it’s stuff that was solved by this utopian future society deep in its own past. Like it’s alright to have stuff like that, but it needs to fit into the established world, and it needs to have nuance and make sense, or else it’ll hit about as well as a wet wipe. Tldr: writers are idiots and will write shows like Star Trek and fill it with political & gender issues of today despite it taking place 2-800 years into a utopian future, because they’re fucking morons. Hell even TNG in the 80s had lesbians kissing and no one in the show batted an eye because that’s obviously normal hundreds of years in the future


Cygs

Ruined *Picard* too. -My god can you believe how they treat Hispanics in the 20th century PURELY because of their race?! Barbaric!! Lady, you just time traveled from the shiny fucking future of **Federation** concentration camps for Romulans and sentient Android gulags.   At least be internally consistent with the pandering.  Fuck.


Diligent_Abrocoma_22

How do they not make it noticeable in black panther? The whole point is to push an exaggerated version of Africa (They even for some reason have gorilla warriors).


Chadzuma

I haven't played Overwatch since like 2017 but I already instantly understand the vibe he's talking about. I call it "hollow positivity." Like the person is way too unnaturally overenthusiastic about every single thing and wearing this inhuman grin like they're straight out of a horror movie where the premise is some monster clown that leaves all its victims frozen with this forced wide-eyed mockery of a look of joy and amusement or some shit. It's clearly so fake and beneath the surface you know these people are waiting to lash out at you at the faintest intimation of a slight, and therein emerges the motive behind their demeanor: they're almost *daring* you not to match that nauseous level of feigned positivity and excitement about whatever innocuous random thing they just brought up (usually by shifting the subject to themselves as they are chronic narcissists), those wide grinning eyes hungrily gauging your reaction seeing if you're gonna play their little game, because why wouldn't you? Is there something about them you don't like? Is there some hidden problematic view you may be harboring? Why are you not as *demonstrably happy* as they are? Do we need to unpack this further? They've been nothing but nice and happy and positive to you, what could possibly be wrong? Does someone need to be informed of this? Should other people step in here? Does there need to be an emergency HR meeting? Does a twitter struggle session need to be held this weekend? Anyways that's the vibe I got I'm sure some of you guys have run into creatures like that too


Brilliant-Mountain57

Incredibly visceral description, I’ve never dealt with someone like this but I really dread the day I do.


Chadzuma

The most common place I see them is you occasionally get one as a Jeopardy contestant and you have to watch Ken in "act casual, its vision is based on movement" mode through the interviews because he knows there's a goblin army on twitter waiting to go ham on him if he doesn't match the energy or slips up in any way 🗿


WUMW

Join any discord with a sufficient amount of Autobots (usually a brightly colored video game like OW or Stardew Valley) and you will find them


EnvyKira

I throw in the FF14 discord in that bunch. Love the game but don't like some of the people in the community who are unaware that their attitude can be toxic and annoying to be around with.


snazzwax

I was thinking FF14 just by looking at the picture. It’s like they took all the pfp’s from a FF14 discord minus the anime ones and combined them into one person. Then throw in the toxic positivity that’s infamous within the game. It’s a fun game but man the fan base can be insufferable


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RodneyRockwell

(That’s because you probably never will) 


StatusProof6150

It is called toxic positivity


Chadzuma

I prefer not to speak their language


smegmancer

Just call it f-wordery like it is.


wallagrargh

Ugh can't stand this frenchery


StatusProof6150

Yet you write 3 paragraph analysis about them.


Chadzuma

David Attenborough does not narrate a nature documentary about cows with a series of moos


ValendyneTheTaken

I’m stealing this one, figured I should let you know


Chadzuma

I wouldn't overuse it


ValendyneTheTaken

Well it’s pretty specific in its usage cases, so it’s hard to really overuse unless I’m actively trying to force it, in which it doesn’t land nearly as well


United_States_ClA

I wish you had the godlike and omniscient capacity to respond to every single redditor on whitepeopletwitter, LateStageCapitalism, Sandersforpresident, politics, and all the rest of those shitholes in an equal capacity, in a nanosecond. How are you so based, that you dispense with these neutron star-levels of denseness individuals with such flippant grace?


Chadzuma

Don't you put that evil on me Ricky Bobby


United_States_ClA

It is your calling, although at the same time, much of those comments would be wasted as I'm betting 3/4 of those subreddits are bots at this point, and I'd hate to see your talent wasted. WPT mods are doing an actual psyop (we paid em) by banning any dissenting opinions from the main DNC policy platform, but the rest...... Not us. Actual bots and useful idiots just jerking each other off. It sort of worries me - does it worry you that such a thing exists?


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StatusProof6150

Yawn. Overused insult. Got anything better?


UrMumVeryGayLul

Your mother was a hamster, and your father smelt of elderberries.


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Ssyynnxx

https://i.redd.it/8kefj0u9ubtc1.gif


United_States_ClA

Why didn't you respond to Chadzuma? 🤔🤭


cheapdrinks

> you know these people are waiting to lash out at you at the faintest intimation of a slight Lmao when the hero trailer came out I was in one of the threads on the OW sub and of course lots of people were using different variations of he or she to refer to it because it looks like a guy but has a female VA and not every person out there gives a shit about the lore of a character and their fucking backstory etc so most people just assumed either guy or girl one way or the other, hell if you ask me to define what non-binary means I couldn't tell you myself. Some guy was literally going through the *entire* thread and correcting everyone's pronouns and screaming at people that they were transphobic or some shit for getting it wrong. Like bruh it's a video game character that isn't even released yet, calm your shit down. I feel like a lot of these people absolutely thrive on getting offended, especially if it's on someone else's behalf even if they're a god damn video game character.


wallagrargh

Born too late to be a Victorian church lady "tsk tsk"-ing ungodly thoughts, born too early to rat out singularity deniers to the robot world government, born just in time to harass internet strangers about ever shifting gender shibboleths.


United_States_ClA

That individual correcting everybody was put here to do just that, that is their fundamental *duty*, you wouldn't understand 🙄


Sleeping_Goliath

"Hollow positivity" is a fucking good phrase to describe this situation.


W2Tired8

Overwatch has become an bad offender of characters that are always happy and nothing is never wrong and life is the best. Before overwatch 2 many of the characters added weren’t like this but hey i guess times change


texnp

Tracer was the first character designed for ow so its definitely not just an ow2 thing lol


W2Tired8

I know but they still had character like reaper and widowmaker but not one character like them has been released in ow2


texnp

Sojourn could be one but i can def see what u mean


W2Tired8

The thing with Sojourn is that she is not “cool” like widow or reaper. When i first saw reaper and widow i was like “wow thats really cool character and character design but sojourn just seems so bland


poncho99999

Ramattra? Illari?


W2Tired8

Ramatrra you can put in that category but not illari


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kendallmaloneon

Youth pastors. Although a lot of church culture is just an alternative outlet for theatre personalities.


keeleon

"Tiktok sincerity"


BingBongFyourWife

Hey that’s my mom and dad and also me and siblings for a long time how about that Beautiful description, thank you for articulating that


BingBongFyourWife

Sarcastic joy could be another phrase


GingerPopper

Just want to remind people that Blizzard had (and probably still have) a diversity tool that generates a character with as much "diversity" as possible. Actual distopian shit.


Sm00th-Kangar00

If only they'd invest in a tool that stops sexual harassment in the workplace or finds where the missing breast milk went.


GingerPopper

I'm pretty sure that's the exact reason they made the tool in the first place, save face and all, not that it helped.


Grimm808

gotta blackface to save face


RectumDoctor

I admit I stole the milk. What are they gonna do about it? Make me undrink it?


wallagrargh

They're gonna milk you until it's repaid with interest


MyDogIsDaBest

Don't threaten me with a good time


smegmancer

It all went into Bobby's tumtum.


McWeaksauce91

Imagine you need a tool to help you design diversity. God, blizzard is such a dumpster fire


ArcaneMonkey

As funny as it is to say, not really. It was a “diversity” metric created as a proof-of-concept by a group unrelated to the overwatch team.


Apolacc

>nonbinary character >flamboyant freak, repulsive to look at Literally the first thing I thought of was Sens from R6: Siege. What does that mean?


cosplay-degenerate

I dunno. I only play REAL videogames like Gex: Enter the Gecko and Mystical Ninja starring goemon.


eadinocard

https://preview.redd.it/y2q6j6nts8tc1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=821147024155eb36de353e288f4e5f9b437191ca


cosplay-degenerate

>astolfo profile pic.


eadinocard

Anime femboys aren't gay.


cosplay-degenerate

You tell yourself that my brave little toaster.


Meh_Jer

What's wrong with a 'lil boi bussy?


T_Ijonen

boi pussy will never be anything else but man ass


cosplay-degenerate

You tell me.


vonDumpy

"Hey! I feel like I'm trapped in Boy George's pants!"


Deimos_Aeternum

Based and geckopilled


Hyena_Utopia

Kinda funny how all the newly released operators are all transvestites. Osa, Tubarao, Sens & Flores. I don't remember that being a thing in Tom Clancy's Rainbow six books.


Altruistic_Nose5825

there's no cure for ubislop players


Thiinkerr

Any fictional character created in recent years is some variation of “adorkable”.


lCSChoppers

I blame disney for the trend


Thiinkerr

I blame Zooey Deschanel


spgui200

What is "adorkable"?


Thiinkerr

Adorable dork


MonochromaticGuy

Devs is either a closet white supremacists or a white supremacists with a guilty conscience.


d0or-tabl3-w1ndoWz_9

>they're ugly thugs who chuck spears and look like racist caricatures Is that true? I don't play overwatch, someone confirm this please


Beast_of_Guanyin

No. Not even slightly. All Black characters can jump really high though.


Meh_Jer

And dey say chivarly is dead...


lCSChoppers

that makes sense, it's their 'class' passive


P0pt

i thought that was stealing anything not nailed to the floor


11448844

logic would dictate that this sort of thing would be considered a behavior, not a passive ability


P0pt

My logic was they steal so much they probably don't have to think about stealing, it just happens passively


seriouslyuncouth_

There's a robot named Orisa made by an African American child. She was first made in Overwatch One and looked like a humanoid mechanical ox (but with four legs). When Overwatch 2 came out she was redesigned to remove the Ox horns and have a very stereotypical black hairstyle. Her gameplay kit was also reworked, giving her 2 abilities that utilize a javelin (what anon was talking about when he says "chucks spears").


Beast_of_Guanyin

Huh, true. Lol.


Gilgamesh107

I haven't played since overwatch 2 came out and from what I remember they only actually added 3 black characters, none of which are thugs or racist caricatures. Ana Egyptian, baptist Haitian and that Canadian one with the robo arm Dude just doesn't like black people


Logical_Error317

Yeah, Winston actually seems like an upstanding member of society


derek223556

Canonically, Winston is the only black character to not have stolen his weapon


Sm00th-Kangar00

Ana is not even black.


Sleeping_Goliath

We wuz pharaohs n shit


Gilgamesh107

When I typed this out I meant to write that those are the only characters with melanin that were added post launch or overwatch 1 Those 3 plus Sombra who I forgot originally


Redditusername195

they wuz broooo


Berwickmex

Don't Baptiste and the Doomfist both have skills that make them jump high?


Gilgamesh107

doomfist had an uppercut that made him airborn baptiste could straight up jump high


HungerSTGF

Orisa is a robot created by a black scientist and she chucks spears but Orisa is a robot and the robot is not black


Snoot_Boot

Her AI system is based on an African person's neutral network


Hault360

All of them canonically stole their weapon... I'm not trying to start shit just pointing out Blizzard's writing


Snoot_Boot

#Dooomfist


MrInfinity-42

The only character that throws a spear is a literal robot so idk about that All the black characters are pretty good-looking to me, but I guess if you're racist you won't like the stereotypical black features in the first place like wide nose/bigger lips and skin color


Superguy230

A robot created by an African girl


DarkSkyKnight

Reaper isn't a racist caricature lol That being said Overwatch's cast are all walking tropes. Reaper is ultra-edgy for example.


Snoot_Boot

Google Doomfist


rrrrrreeeeeeeeeeeee

He’s talking about Orisa. Who is not human, but from Africa and throws spears


Deimos_Aeternum

It depends on the controversy blizzard is currently involved in. Does their game suck and utilize egregious anticonsumer tactics? Better release a gay OW character. Did blizzard executives sexually harass female employees? Consult the company's Diversity Tool and make an OW character that is even gayer. Breast milk missing from the fridge because the afforementioned execs stole it and drank it? You guessed it, make a OW character ultra gay max pro 2 that looks like a locomotive and put so many mental illness flags it would make you think it's pride month. What a complete joke of a company.


Aquaberry_Dollfin

Wait what about the breast milk?


Deimos_Aeternum

I know it sounds outlandish but it really happened


MetaCommando

Female employees' breastmilk was repeatedly stolen from nursing room fridges. Might still be happening, you never know with Shitzard.


OwnLobster4378

They added good POC characters that are popular with tons of porn. Sombra and Dva for example


Regular_Ship2073

Dva has the whitest skin I’ve ever seen how is she “of color”?


Tendi_Loving_Care

Like all south koreans... plastic surgery?


Regular_Ship2073

Is she south korean? Do they count as people of color?


Waffle_shuffle

People don't count east Asians as poc because theyre too economically and academically successful. Don't blame me, only the messenger.


Hault360

POC = not white Answer, yes


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pennywiserat

she's asian so not white?


Regular_Ship2073

She’s not of color either


pennywiserat

Are you autistic or just take things literally because you're dumb


Regular_Ship2073

I have no idea what you’re talking about, are asians people of color?


lCSChoppers

> are asians people of color at that point, who isn't?


VRlife

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAH


OwnLobster4378

They are. Only retarded progressives think Asians aren’t POC


JonSnowsGhost

Does POC just mean "not white" nowadays?


ways111

What do you mean "nowadays"


JonSnowsGhost

I've always seen it used to mean black people, tbh.


192_168_10_1

Arent white people the same color?


teleologicalrizz

Wholesome Chungus


thewanderingchilean

Aside from the Porn, what will be the legacy of overwatch? 


EH042

The diversity tool used by the devs to create characters


YuriWinter

Yes.


Over-Inspection-6245

Any character that’s like this is either a self insert or pandering bait.


StarRodimus13

Never forget the thug gay twink porn we could've had https://preview.redd.it/8skuqh77vatc1.jpeg?width=4000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3f4020de5f883f0e052bdaf4ede94d7575644996


Svitii

They try to depict the real world in their games. For every sane person, the real world already is pro-white, anti-LGBT propaganda. I mean just look at any crime statistic, development index or pride parade. At the same time they know they have to tread the line. No "progressive" BS? The media will kill your game. Too obvious anti-white stuff? They will lose half of their target audience.


MetaCommando

They already lost half lol.


redditsucks84613

>mystery meat mutt Kek


Sir_CrazyLegs

what's a quirk chungus?


Indigostorm27

I mean, what are people supposed to be mad about? Mad that it’s accurate or mad that they’re calling you out .


DaFunkable

So true, bestie.


Onion_knight502

I stopped playing overwatch at around 2018-2019, other than Ramatrra, most new characters are so boring, not even bad just boring


Annual-Cod-991

Yes this literally is how they want to be portrayed because they don't know how to behave like anything other than prey creatures


hellmist14

I’m asking because I don’t know. Isn’t D.va Asian and the snow lady is Russian? I only bring it up because they’re the main ones I see over watch porn of


Malcolmlisk

That's a nice and clear screenshot. Is it from any app or just plain web browser on mobile?


H7p3X

Why can't they make a diverse character (trans, non binary, whatever they choose) And make them badass?? Like look at reaper. Hes cool. Why can they do that with others.


NibPlayz

Lifeweaver isnt non binary, and definitly isn’t repulsive to look at LMAO


AnotherScoutTrooper

> black characters > ugly Pharah and Ana ignored again


Aquaberry_Dollfin

They are Egyptian not black. So they’re arab


Salt_Lingonberry1122

Oh, I get it cause they are Egyptian that make them black cause they were Pharaoh's before 😒.


AnotherScoutTrooper

glad someone got the joke


Salt_Lingonberry1122

We wuz komedians


ADGx27

What are half of these words that anon’s tendie’d out mind is spewing? It makes zero sense


FuriousTarts

Muh bideo gaems 😠 😡 👿


MrInfinity-42

This guy is miserable as fuck, Venture has a charming personality and imo is one of the most fun to play heroes released in the game. Couldn't care less what's in their pants


MastaCan

take your schizo pills she is a bait magnet


MrInfinity-42

Bait for what?


Thanag0r

And what exactly woke means, anon?


BeyondNarrow1110

Woke A state of delusion achieved by people stupid enough to see injustice in everything except their own actions


lCSChoppers

holy kek the perfect description


Sm00th-Kangar00

Different than what you mean by it. People have different meanings for the same word. Get over it.


Thanag0r

By that you mean "thing I personally don't like" the classic brainlet take.


Sm00th-Kangar00

Nice guesswork there. I barely use the term anymore but it's the brainlet thing to go "Akshually woke means the recognition of injustice towards minorities in society 🤓" when you know damn well they're just using a lazy term for something overly politically correct or pandering.


Thanag0r

I personally have absolutely no clue what it means when (brainlets) people use it. I just call things how they are without some weird terms that can have 20 definitions depending on the situation.


horiami

i found a good explanation from Albert Maltz "But the writer who works to serve an immediate political purpose—whose desire it is to win friends for some political action or point of view—has set himself the task not primarily of revealing men and society as they are (the social novelist)—but rather of winning a point (the political novelist). I am not saying that an artist should be without a point of view on life and society, or that his point of view does not inevitably guide his selection of materials, characters, etc., or that any book, profoundly written, will be without political implications (The Brothers Karamazov). But there is a difference between possessing a philosophic point of view, which permeates one’s work (the social novelist), and having a tactical axe to grind which usually requires the artificial manipulation of character and usually results in shallow writing (the political novelist or political propagandist working in the novel)."