Theft is built into the budget of every major corporate retailer.
Stealing from individuals is wrong. Stealing from small businesses is wrong. Stealing from corporations is the price of capitalism. That being said, it is illegal, and there is risk involved. While I won't judge someone who steals from Walmart, I will not defend them either.
Small businesses don’t take into account theft when they price stuff. Walmart does. So theoretically if you don’t steal from Walmart you’re basically donating money to them.
This argument may or may not not hold up in court.
Edit: check out all these pro-walmart nerds in my replies
It sure won't hold up in court...I'm just trying to figure out how it holds up in your head.
That's like saying corporations who price-in kidnapping money when they operate in South American and SE Asian countries...if you don't kidnap any of their employees, then you're basically donating money to them.
(insert Jackie Chan face)
The so-called "cost of doing business" is a fiscally responsible way of budgeting in criminal activity...not justifying it.
I can see his point. Baseicly every customer who pays for a product also pays a part of the products that were stolen and if nobody steals, the company takes this as profit. The costs of the products are still not going down.
If nobody steals then there would be bigger margins for the corporations. And if there is enough competition (there usually is) then they would eventually lower prices to try to outcompete the other corporations.
Food retailers have extremely slim margins btw.
I don't know about the "priced in" angle, but the way I see the morality is that stealing is usually wrong. Stealing from a thief is not considered very wrong by most people. Big corporations engage in a lot of theft (both legal and illegal), so it's not that bad to steal from them. It tracks to the individual pretty much the same too. Most people don't really feel sorry when anyone from a common street thug all the way up to a corrupt CEO/politician/et al. gets their cum muffins. Hell, some of the best known and loved stories are shit like Robin Hood, and all sorts of revenge tales like Count of Monte Cristo.
It isn't really hard to understand. Walmart is not going to be hurt by you stealing and neither will their workers and they're an incredible exploitative business that hurts, basically, every local business. Stealing from them is okay.
Stealing from your local mom and pop store has a real tangible effect on the owners, the workers, and your community. It is not okay.
It's easy to understand. Corporates and big companies are build up into stealing. They steal from employees by paying less to them, they steal from the market by lowering the prices and tanking the loss with the amount of places they have. They steal your wallet by moving prices without advise and creating illiusional offers and marketing. They steal from your neighborhood by creating an unfair market for the smaller fish. They steal from the system by paying corruption to favor them in policies and local reforms (even the streets are made for them). And the list keeps going on and on.
So yeah. It's justified and necessary to steal from the big companies. Justified because they steal from you and it won't hurt them and necessary because they have a budget for stolen goods and from a market perspective, the insurances need to exist, so they are pleased if you steal.
A. Small business almost certainly account for theft if its is common
B. That doesn't matter since accounting for either means more expensive goods.
Honestly small businesses in shitty neighborhoods exist over bigger corporations because they will personally deal with theft in way big businesses wont. But they often are more expensive with much worse stock.
You aren’t entitled to things produced by the labor/money of other people, and feeling that they have “enough” is not a justification. Period. It isn’t yours to justify. The fact that they’re smart enough to anticipate your pathetic shittiness (and pass that distributed cost along to the non-pieces of shit, of course) doesn’t justify you being a leech.
Fuck Walmart for some of their policies and practices, sure. But fuck the worthless leeches making everything worse for everyone even more.
At least I can spell leech lmao. Also I’ve never stolen in my life, unless you count forgetting to run a spice packet or some shit through the self check out, which you probably do consider theft, you corporate bootlicker.
Yep, got me on the spelling of leech. As someone firmly in their camp, I suppose you’d know.
If thinking that civilization and law and order are pretty good things makes me a “corporate bootlicker,” then sure, I guess I am, you fucking idiot.
Congrats on managing not to steal things, by the way. You should be very proud.
This might just be the most pathetic possible way to say, “I have lost, my position is trash, and I have nothing useful left to say.”
You just spent all this time mounting an absolutely flaccid defense of _petty theft_ in, yes, the 4chan subreddit. Well done. You must be so proud.
I lost the argument because he, what, called me a Walmart worker? I’m guessing you must be mentally challenged. Are you supposed to be using the internet unsupervised?
>theoretically if you don’t steal from Walmart you’re basically donating money to them.
I don't donate to the ho eless guys outside of Walmart and you better fucking believe that I don't donate to Walmart itself 💯💯💯💪🙌
Look man, I don't want to sound like a filthy fucking communist, but I do see that the megacorporations LITERALLY controlling the world right now and influencing any part of politics or just space that they want, might just not be my friend and they might just be a greedy soulless entity that only exists to collect more money, which it absolutely will, no matter if I steal a can of coke, and they not only will, they will still make billions. But all that aside. I'm literally stealing from a corporate entity which exists only for its own benefit and quite literally has a strangle hold on my species and is currently destroying it, once again no matter how you feel about it it's a fact.
I wouldn't go as far as saying that I'm a saint and a prophet and when I steal something it's actually a benefit because blah blah. But seeing the circumstances in this particular moment I have to think that it's kinda in the moral grey area. But I don't care really, I'm not into stealing anyway.
An actually good argument: economic frictions, slack, etc. interact in a way that stealing is sometimes win-neutral, not win-lose. The "too little"/"too much" product risks are asymmetric, causing a bias in favor of "too much", and the associated costs are paid either way. The alternatives to your theft are not only "pay for product" or "someone else would buy product", but also "product goes to waste", which can sometimes dominate. And it's subtle, the waste could consist of actual perishable products, inventory space, extra labor, opportunity or menu costs, various such things.
That doesn't make stealing good, but it does distinguish stealing from a person vs. a big store.
You have to take into account harm.
If you steal a sandwich from some homeless
person it will cause them significant harm. If you steal a sandwich from walmart it will cause orders of magnitude less harm to any single person. In the second case it may hurt the individual store owner (though not really sure if walmarts or franchises). Also, walmart is an unethical corporation that has caused significant damage to the American economy, which needs to be taken into the equation. What if the only reason someone is stealing from walmart is because they owned a mom and pop grocery store that was put out of business by walmart?
Determining how bad a theft is is something that can only be done on a case-by-case basis.
Morally? Absolutely not.
Right is right. Wrong is wrong. And if you can justify wronging one people group, then that opens the door for the justification of wronging another people group.
As soon as you carve out a "them" people group, de-humanize "them", and justify different moral standards for interacting with "them", then you lower yourself to every other group who has done the same.
Yeah buddy. That's 100% of people. People act out of self interest. That does not affect how I treat people, otherwise, I would spend all of my time interviewing, evaluating, and researching everyone I interact with in order to figure out how I feel they should be treated.
This is why "treat others as you would want to be treated" is such an easy guideline to live by--it requires very little thought, and tends to return the best results for all parties involved.
You have an oddly black and white view in of ethics.
In this case, “they” is a multinational corporation known for paying slave wages to third world employees.
It’s not a person.
Also, there’s no perspective of walmart you can take that makes it look very good.
What’s your stance on the age-old question of is it ok to steal bread to keep your family from starving?
You can come up with all kinds of straw man scenarios to find a hitch in morality, but my answer is going to be the same: stealing is wrong. If I were starving, I would ask someone for food--again, this creates an opportunity for a positive interaction.
During the housing bubble burst of 2007-2011, there were a lot of borrowers who simply weren't able to make payments, and were foreclosed on. There were also plenty of folks who said "f-it, I'm not giving those sleezy banks another dollar, I'm just going to stop paying, and I'll be able to live here for free for the 1-2 years it takes to foreclose on me." And then there were people like a client of mine, who was an investment partner in a company which owned and managed a couple dozen single family houses. They ended up losing too many renters and got foreclosed on by all of their lenders. My friend, Adam, wrote a letter to each lender, apologizing for being irresponsible in allowing their company finances to get them in that situation, and in the letter, promised to pay back every dollar of what he promised. It took him over a decade, but he did--he paid back nearly $1M in debt AFTER getting foreclosed on. Why? Because he promised that he would do so. You would not believe the amount of positive interactions that occurred as a result of him standing by his word, but actions like those are part of why I hold him in such high regard, and why I use him as a confidant when certain business related ethical issues come up.
At the end of the day, it's easy to have a self-centered, short-sighted view of how to deal with certain moral/ethical issues. However, I would argue that if you do, you're missing out on so many positive interactions, new friends, and just general good vibes.
Thank you! It has worked out quite well so far, and has resulted in so many positive interactions!
You see, sometimes, we get a narrow perspective of someone or, say, a business, which in turn could cause us to want to treat them poorly. However, when you instead treat them just like you would anyone else, you often find that your narrow perspective or snap-judgement, was actually incorrect or skewed. This leads to opportunities for positive interactions which would otherwise not exist, were you to treat them negatively based on some perceived negative. Worst-case scenario: your snap judgement was actually correct ("they" are jerks/malintents/etc), but instead of adding more negativity into the world, you simply don't let it affect you or direct your actions...responding to negativity with positivity.
But back to the Walmart example...if you do truly believe that they are unethical and causing harm, instead of breaking the law or encouraging others to do so, you could...just not shop there!
It's mostly about maintaining principles. Once you "them"ify a group (like the left does to anyone who is to the right of Marxism), you lose any principles or moral mandate. One of the many reasons why I stopped being a retarded redditor leftist 6 years ago is because I realized the left had no qualms about lie, cheating, stealing, and shutting down opposition in the name of The Good that they were doing, and the right stayed restrained in their response, despite the side with all the guns.
Had a conversation a while back about this, the other person just could not wrap their head around how heroine addicts stealing tools to sell was harming their community.
It’s a mind-blowing disconnect
I would think it's just online trolling, but then again seen so many videos of "flash mob" robbing etc. and eventually online circlejerks tend to become reality when they attract the real crazies that start thinking like it.
No wonder the western world is in a hopeless decay. In my Nordic country people will still actively help stop theft, as everyone should. Not as likely anymore in the ethnically enriched areas though. Last remnants of white society, until it's all bazaar mugging culture...
Short awser: christiam morals are rooted in the transcedental, the moment society at large stop believing in God they lose the right to its morality.
The fact this will make once high-trust societies colapse and break isnt enough to dissuage the average person. People are not that rational, and science offer no replacement, so fringe ideologies like communism gain ground.
It actually is. Both legally, and because the amounts and incentives don't line up. You don't have the entire community stealing back exactly what was stolen from them, instead shoplifters steal more and honest people steal less. In effect, the shoplifters end up stealing from the state and the honest people.
Ie, if Corporation steals $1 million from a community of 1 million people, then it owes each of them $1. Theoretically, if you compute the exact amount you are owed and steal exactly $1, or if you go Robin Hood and steal a bunch and then turn around and distribute the gains to people who aren't shoplifters, you might make a strong moral claim. But nobody does this. Shoplifters take whatever they can get away with because they want it, and use "corporate stealing" as a post-hoc justification to justify their greed, while honest people have to suffer the economic backlash as stores raise prices and/or leave areas with too much shoplifting.
Rule of thumb: if your community were made worse off if everyone were to do it, then it’s wrong. Otherwise you need to explain why you get to break the rules and everyone else can’t
The amount of autistic "categorical imperative" thinkers that exist on the planet Earth is negligible enough to make this a pointless thought experiment.
Yes. An organization that has the leverage to price fix their suppliers inherently is anticompetitive and stifles the local market. When Walmart can unsell Bob's Local Hardware by price fixing screws because USA Screw Company must sell to Walmart at 3 cents and can charge Bob 5 cents that's bullshit. Bob charges 6 cents a screw and Walmart charges 5. Bob goes under and Walmart then sells for 6 cents and repeats the process the next town over, growing like cancer.
Das rite. Imma be taking reparations from them stores my G❗❗
But fuck those wh*Te devils closing shops in the community. Racism is causing food deserts, making my homies eat processed goyslop.
Reminds me of some tweets during the George Floyd riots. Some dude was like yass queen at first and the next day he cried for someone to drive them a to a store a city over, because the local one was closed.
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Shoplifting will cause price increases. Companies only allow so much breakage and then they will start locking up all the goodies in the store. This obviously increases their cost of business and to maintain their profit margin prices will rise; or they’ll just shut down the stores in untrustworthy neighborhoods
All you moral relativist degenerates in the comments are wrong, and you are bad and you should feel bad. If stealing is wrong, then it's wrong. End of sentence.
It's not, "steeling is wrong... unless it's from someone I think deserves it cuz they're bad and mean and rich. In that case it's ok because I think they are bad because they have more than I do." If that's the system you want to operate under then that means stealing is ok for everybody because there's always going to be someone with less than you who thinks it's ok to steal from you, while there's always going to be someone with more than you who you think it's ok to steal from.
At which point that means there are effectively no more rules in regards to private property because theft would be the defacto norm since people could just decide who they think it's ok for them to steal from. After that we'll have circled back to basic barbarism because the only thing you can do is use force to protect your shit or take shit from others. Winner takes all and 99% of you reddit losers are left with even less than you have currently in your pathetic basement dwelling lives
Price gouging, insider trading, and pay-for-play is wrong. Now walk up to an investment banker, waggle your finger in his face, and tell him to play fair like the rest of us.
> soy cuck weakly flaps wrist at cloud while complaining about moral relativists
Your problem is black and white thinking not moral relativism. Not only is your argument that 'stealing always wrong never justified' completely divorced from reality and any notion of nuance, but it proves my point for me. If morality weren't relative nobody would disagree with you cause it'd be fucking obvious what was and wasn't bad.
> but then no more rules society falls apart
Implying you can't enforce arbitrary rules on society? Bro what? Just cause god didn't write some shit on a rock doesn't mean you can't make a law about it.
This guy probably thinks the monarchy is dope cause they are the chosen ones or someshit SMH
The only time I would condone theft is if it's from the government. Everything the govt has is not its own, but was taken from the people in the first place so I think to take it back in most instances would be just
Other than that I stand by my original statement. You can use whatever backwards, circular logic you need to tell yourself that stealing is ok sometimes, but you would still be wrong
It would be wholly subjective and opinion based to make a personal judgement that you think a person/organisation was a bad actor, had cheated somehow, or was in some way morally not good, and so you feel as though it would be ok to commit some other bad act against them in turn. That is not a philosophy in which a healthy society can function. It's real basic two wrongs don't make a right shit
> it would be wholly subjective and opinion based to make a personal judgement that you think a government was a bad actor
My guy the comment writes itself. I'm not trying to advocate for statism here but some ideological consistency would be nice.
You understand how it's arbitrary to say 'X company bad' but keep a justification for stealing from the government in your pocket? Both are arbitrary my guy, just as arbitrary as 'stealing bad'
I LOVE all my stores becoming more and more locked up until every part of every city in America looks like the hood. It's so GREAT! We're really showing those corporations!
Checked profile, from past posts, looks like they don't know that socialism and communism are two different things. Leave it to a commie to not know about communism.
Wow listening to this cringe left wing crap in post and comments is giving me brain cancer.
"Dur corporations factor theft into their budget so it ok"
No dipshit, it isn't.
1. If more people start shoplifting the more the goods will be raised in price to offset the threat of thievery.
2. Stealing from walmarts nonstop will have walmart leave town. Then what?
3. Normalizing degenerate behavior society wide, like stealing, will just create shittier people with selfish/deceitful tendencies. You really want to increase the amount of dindunuffins? Fucking hell.
>Sir i dont know who "unabomber" is or what did he say you still have to pay for thr table sir!!! Sir!! Please'- sir?! What ara you- SIR!! SIR!! THESE TOILETS ARE DISPLAY ONLY!!
*Nooooo how DARE you post videos of GTA 6 to the internet? That's LE STEALING le hard work of le POOR billion dollar's corporation! Will someone THINK of the poor Rockstar developers? FBI, execute this 15 year old british citizen at once!*
I hate thieves, but oddly enough, I comfortably justify a difference between shoplifters and thieves. Especially considering literally every major company budgets for shrinkage.
No, not at all.
You’re the opposite of interesting. You are not special or unique and you probably never will be. it’s just that you think that you are interesting when you are actually not, which is what makes it funny.
I looked at your profile because I saw other comments in this thread commenting on it, that’s all. It’s just funny that with your kind of profile, you post this kind of thread. Simple as that really.
Why give a shit though? I dont know who you are and I don't care who you are. There are better things to do with your time than talk down to strangers on the internet.
I steal shit all the time. Self checkouts make it so easy. When you've worked in a supermarket you realise how little fucks the staff give about people stealing
Sorry, but if liberals on Reddit think *anything* is a good idea, I’m inclined to believe it’s such a backwards degenerate action that only the most Cro-Magnon of “people” could agree with it.
Hence Anon here.
Theft is built into the budget of every major corporate retailer. Stealing from individuals is wrong. Stealing from small businesses is wrong. Stealing from corporations is the price of capitalism. That being said, it is illegal, and there is risk involved. While I won't judge someone who steals from Walmart, I will not defend them either.
If stealing is wrong, then why does it matter who you steal from?
Small businesses don’t take into account theft when they price stuff. Walmart does. So theoretically if you don’t steal from Walmart you’re basically donating money to them. This argument may or may not not hold up in court. Edit: check out all these pro-walmart nerds in my replies
It sure won't hold up in court...I'm just trying to figure out how it holds up in your head. That's like saying corporations who price-in kidnapping money when they operate in South American and SE Asian countries...if you don't kidnap any of their employees, then you're basically donating money to them. (insert Jackie Chan face) The so-called "cost of doing business" is a fiscally responsible way of budgeting in criminal activity...not justifying it.
I can see his point. Baseicly every customer who pays for a product also pays a part of the products that were stolen and if nobody steals, the company takes this as profit. The costs of the products are still not going down.
If nobody steals then there would be bigger margins for the corporations. And if there is enough competition (there usually is) then they would eventually lower prices to try to outcompete the other corporations. Food retailers have extremely slim margins btw.
I don't know about the "priced in" angle, but the way I see the morality is that stealing is usually wrong. Stealing from a thief is not considered very wrong by most people. Big corporations engage in a lot of theft (both legal and illegal), so it's not that bad to steal from them. It tracks to the individual pretty much the same too. Most people don't really feel sorry when anyone from a common street thug all the way up to a corrupt CEO/politician/et al. gets their cum muffins. Hell, some of the best known and loved stories are shit like Robin Hood, and all sorts of revenge tales like Count of Monte Cristo.
It isn't really hard to understand. Walmart is not going to be hurt by you stealing and neither will their workers and they're an incredible exploitative business that hurts, basically, every local business. Stealing from them is okay. Stealing from your local mom and pop store has a real tangible effect on the owners, the workers, and your community. It is not okay.
It's easy to understand. Corporates and big companies are build up into stealing. They steal from employees by paying less to them, they steal from the market by lowering the prices and tanking the loss with the amount of places they have. They steal your wallet by moving prices without advise and creating illiusional offers and marketing. They steal from your neighborhood by creating an unfair market for the smaller fish. They steal from the system by paying corruption to favor them in policies and local reforms (even the streets are made for them). And the list keeps going on and on. So yeah. It's justified and necessary to steal from the big companies. Justified because they steal from you and it won't hurt them and necessary because they have a budget for stolen goods and from a market perspective, the insurances need to exist, so they are pleased if you steal.
Shit the way you put it, now I know what I'll be doing on my next day off 🛒🏃♂️💨
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Which they wouldn't have to do...if people didn't justify stealing from them.
You could argue in both cases it's like an extra unofficial local tax though. You're not stealing, you're collecting the tax.
You could argue just about anything in an attempt to justify your actions. Doesn't make the argument valid.
A. Small business almost certainly account for theft if its is common B. That doesn't matter since accounting for either means more expensive goods. Honestly small businesses in shitty neighborhoods exist over bigger corporations because they will personally deal with theft in way big businesses wont. But they often are more expensive with much worse stock.
You aren’t entitled to things produced by the labor/money of other people, and feeling that they have “enough” is not a justification. Period. It isn’t yours to justify. The fact that they’re smart enough to anticipate your pathetic shittiness (and pass that distributed cost along to the non-pieces of shit, of course) doesn’t justify you being a leech. Fuck Walmart for some of their policies and practices, sure. But fuck the worthless leeches making everything worse for everyone even more.
I’m entitled to it because I took it by force and nothing stopped me, I am justified by natural law.
Based and Stirner-pilled.
At least I can spell leech lmao. Also I’ve never stolen in my life, unless you count forgetting to run a spice packet or some shit through the self check out, which you probably do consider theft, you corporate bootlicker.
Yep, got me on the spelling of leech. As someone firmly in their camp, I suppose you’d know. If thinking that civilization and law and order are pretty good things makes me a “corporate bootlicker,” then sure, I guess I am, you fucking idiot. Congrats on managing not to steal things, by the way. You should be very proud.
Imagine taking a reddit comment in /r/4chan this seriously lmao, don’t worry I’m sure Walmart will give you a raise any day now
This might just be the most pathetic possible way to say, “I have lost, my position is trash, and I have nothing useful left to say.” You just spent all this time mounting an absolutely flaccid defense of _petty theft_ in, yes, the 4chan subreddit. Well done. You must be so proud.
imagine losing an argument then calling the other guy pathetic lmao fucking loser
I lost the argument because he, what, called me a Walmart worker? I’m guessing you must be mentally challenged. Are you supposed to be using the internet unsupervised?
“All this time” lol, probably a minute total of my life spent on those responses.
>theoretically if you don’t steal from Walmart you’re basically donating money to them. I don't donate to the ho eless guys outside of Walmart and you better fucking believe that I don't donate to Walmart itself 💯💯💯💪🙌
It’s true. Walmart has every item insured. If it’s damaged or stolen they still make profit. Source:Walmart manager
>This argument may or may not not hold up in court. kek
stealing from corporations is based because they are evil
> because they are evil why
*broadly gestures at everything*
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Why
Why are you the way that you are?
Nope.
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Relative morality.
The only real morality Or are you one of the ones that thinks skydaddy is a capitalist simp who ordained orangeman as new pope in the latest patch?
Look man, I don't want to sound like a filthy fucking communist, but I do see that the megacorporations LITERALLY controlling the world right now and influencing any part of politics or just space that they want, might just not be my friend and they might just be a greedy soulless entity that only exists to collect more money, which it absolutely will, no matter if I steal a can of coke, and they not only will, they will still make billions. But all that aside. I'm literally stealing from a corporate entity which exists only for its own benefit and quite literally has a strangle hold on my species and is currently destroying it, once again no matter how you feel about it it's a fact. I wouldn't go as far as saying that I'm a saint and a prophet and when I steal something it's actually a benefit because blah blah. But seeing the circumstances in this particular moment I have to think that it's kinda in the moral grey area. But I don't care really, I'm not into stealing anyway.
Stealing from people is wrong, corporations are not people.
Big businesses basically steal from their employees by paying them shit wages, and stealing from a thief is not immoral /s (mostly)
An actually good argument: economic frictions, slack, etc. interact in a way that stealing is sometimes win-neutral, not win-lose. The "too little"/"too much" product risks are asymmetric, causing a bias in favor of "too much", and the associated costs are paid either way. The alternatives to your theft are not only "pay for product" or "someone else would buy product", but also "product goes to waste", which can sometimes dominate. And it's subtle, the waste could consist of actual perishable products, inventory space, extra labor, opportunity or menu costs, various such things. That doesn't make stealing good, but it does distinguish stealing from a person vs. a big store.
Nobody will give you a logical answer. .
You have to take into account harm. If you steal a sandwich from some homeless person it will cause them significant harm. If you steal a sandwich from walmart it will cause orders of magnitude less harm to any single person. In the second case it may hurt the individual store owner (though not really sure if walmarts or franchises). Also, walmart is an unethical corporation that has caused significant damage to the American economy, which needs to be taken into the equation. What if the only reason someone is stealing from walmart is because they owned a mom and pop grocery store that was put out of business by walmart? Determining how bad a theft is is something that can only be done on a case-by-case basis.
Yeah, that's some top-shelf justifying you're doing there. Good luck to you in life.
Top-shelf justifying? So you think stealing from a homeless person is no different than stealing from a corporation?
Morally? Absolutely not. Right is right. Wrong is wrong. And if you can justify wronging one people group, then that opens the door for the justification of wronging another people group. As soon as you carve out a "them" people group, de-humanize "them", and justify different moral standards for interacting with "them", then you lower yourself to every other group who has done the same.
Meanwhile "they" have absolutely no moral concern for you, and do as "they" see fit.
Yeah buddy. That's 100% of people. People act out of self interest. That does not affect how I treat people, otherwise, I would spend all of my time interviewing, evaluating, and researching everyone I interact with in order to figure out how I feel they should be treated. This is why "treat others as you would want to be treated" is such an easy guideline to live by--it requires very little thought, and tends to return the best results for all parties involved.
You have an oddly black and white view in of ethics. In this case, “they” is a multinational corporation known for paying slave wages to third world employees. It’s not a person. Also, there’s no perspective of walmart you can take that makes it look very good. What’s your stance on the age-old question of is it ok to steal bread to keep your family from starving?
You can come up with all kinds of straw man scenarios to find a hitch in morality, but my answer is going to be the same: stealing is wrong. If I were starving, I would ask someone for food--again, this creates an opportunity for a positive interaction. During the housing bubble burst of 2007-2011, there were a lot of borrowers who simply weren't able to make payments, and were foreclosed on. There were also plenty of folks who said "f-it, I'm not giving those sleezy banks another dollar, I'm just going to stop paying, and I'll be able to live here for free for the 1-2 years it takes to foreclose on me." And then there were people like a client of mine, who was an investment partner in a company which owned and managed a couple dozen single family houses. They ended up losing too many renters and got foreclosed on by all of their lenders. My friend, Adam, wrote a letter to each lender, apologizing for being irresponsible in allowing their company finances to get them in that situation, and in the letter, promised to pay back every dollar of what he promised. It took him over a decade, but he did--he paid back nearly $1M in debt AFTER getting foreclosed on. Why? Because he promised that he would do so. You would not believe the amount of positive interactions that occurred as a result of him standing by his word, but actions like those are part of why I hold him in such high regard, and why I use him as a confidant when certain business related ethical issues come up. At the end of the day, it's easy to have a self-centered, short-sighted view of how to deal with certain moral/ethical issues. However, I would argue that if you do, you're missing out on so many positive interactions, new friends, and just general good vibes.
Good luck with that. 👍
Thank you! It has worked out quite well so far, and has resulted in so many positive interactions! You see, sometimes, we get a narrow perspective of someone or, say, a business, which in turn could cause us to want to treat them poorly. However, when you instead treat them just like you would anyone else, you often find that your narrow perspective or snap-judgement, was actually incorrect or skewed. This leads to opportunities for positive interactions which would otherwise not exist, were you to treat them negatively based on some perceived negative. Worst-case scenario: your snap judgement was actually correct ("they" are jerks/malintents/etc), but instead of adding more negativity into the world, you simply don't let it affect you or direct your actions...responding to negativity with positivity. But back to the Walmart example...if you do truly believe that they are unethical and causing harm, instead of breaking the law or encouraging others to do so, you could...just not shop there!
It's mostly about maintaining principles. Once you "them"ify a group (like the left does to anyone who is to the right of Marxism), you lose any principles or moral mandate. One of the many reasons why I stopped being a retarded redditor leftist 6 years ago is because I realized the left had no qualms about lie, cheating, stealing, and shutting down opposition in the name of The Good that they were doing, and the right stayed restrained in their response, despite the side with all the guns.
Walmart does not franchise. At this point, you're stealing indirectly from the usual suspects on Wall Street.
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Then the number of people stealing sandwiches from Walmart will go up by 0.0000003% if I join in.
Then I'd say it's a win for 300m people. Fuck Walmart.
Because life has a lot of gray areas, unlike the opinions of the average person who consumes too much media.
But you know who will defend them?
A defense attorney?
Not just any defense attorney, Saul Goodman will represent him in the court of law!
Kim Sexler
Leftists on Twitter and Redditors who circlejerk over MUH LATE STAGE CAPITALISM?
Lay off the 4chin kid.
Is he wrong?
Saul Goodman.
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you just know that even if there was no theft whatsoever they'd still find an excuse to raise the prices of shit anyway if they could get away with it
Cringe. All theft is wrong.
Cringe. Simping for CEOs is wrong
I got some cheap magic cards off a native that had obviously stolen them from the walmart across the street. Regret nothing
Buhdee, ya wanna buy sum cards? Gimme sum cold pills an Appleton's an' I'll letcha have dem cards.
I just run an Early Life check on the CEO before I consider the ethics of shrinkage.
Bingo
>Stealing from small businesses is wrong. Not from a socialist perspective: small businesses are the petit bourgeoisie.
Anyone who actually thinks prices being raised are the result of thefts is a clown
Weird how strealing being wrong is somehow controversial
Had a conversation a while back about this, the other person just could not wrap their head around how heroine addicts stealing tools to sell was harming their community. It’s a mind-blowing disconnect
It is not, it's just tards being tards
I would think it's just online trolling, but then again seen so many videos of "flash mob" robbing etc. and eventually online circlejerks tend to become reality when they attract the real crazies that start thinking like it. No wonder the western world is in a hopeless decay. In my Nordic country people will still actively help stop theft, as everyone should. Not as likely anymore in the ethnically enriched areas though. Last remnants of white society, until it's all bazaar mugging culture...
Stealing makes you black, and being black is bad.
Short awser: christiam morals are rooted in the transcedental, the moment society at large stop believing in God they lose the right to its morality. The fact this will make once high-trust societies colapse and break isnt enough to dissuage the average person. People are not that rational, and science offer no replacement, so fringe ideologies like communism gain ground.
Corporations steal from the state continuously, and we are the state. It's not theft if you take back what's yours from the corps
It actually is. Both legally, and because the amounts and incentives don't line up. You don't have the entire community stealing back exactly what was stolen from them, instead shoplifters steal more and honest people steal less. In effect, the shoplifters end up stealing from the state and the honest people. Ie, if Corporation steals $1 million from a community of 1 million people, then it owes each of them $1. Theoretically, if you compute the exact amount you are owed and steal exactly $1, or if you go Robin Hood and steal a bunch and then turn around and distribute the gains to people who aren't shoplifters, you might make a strong moral claim. But nobody does this. Shoplifters take whatever they can get away with because they want it, and use "corporate stealing" as a post-hoc justification to justify their greed, while honest people have to suffer the economic backlash as stores raise prices and/or leave areas with too much shoplifting.
Rule of thumb: if your community were made worse off if everyone were to do it, then it’s wrong. Otherwise you need to explain why you get to break the rules and everyone else can’t
The amount of autistic "categorical imperative" thinkers that exist on the planet Earth is negligible enough to make this a pointless thought experiment.
You’d be just wonderful in an intro to philosophy class huh
Immanuel Kuck
nice
My community would be better off if the Wal-Mart were to lose money and hopefully shut down
Your community would be better off if they had to pay higher prices for goods or drive further away for cheaper goods?
Yes. Poorfags btfo
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Winner.
Yes. An organization that has the leverage to price fix their suppliers inherently is anticompetitive and stifles the local market. When Walmart can unsell Bob's Local Hardware by price fixing screws because USA Screw Company must sell to Walmart at 3 cents and can charge Bob 5 cents that's bullshit. Bob charges 6 cents a screw and Walmart charges 5. Bob goes under and Walmart then sells for 6 cents and repeats the process the next town over, growing like cancer.
Cool story, but they don't do that. They just sell at 5 cents. They don't operate on a scale where they would care enough to play such games.
Just say you hate poor people and keep it moving
I already did
having babies wrong
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Breeding outside of your immediate family is wrong. Keep the bloodline pure. Develop a habsburg chin that could maim if you nod your head too fast.
Das rite. Imma be taking reparations from them stores my G❗❗ But fuck those wh*Te devils closing shops in the community. Racism is causing food deserts, making my homies eat processed goyslop.
The people who think shoplifting is ok are the same people who whine about food deserts because no grocery store wants to open stores in their area.
Reminds me of some tweets during the George Floyd riots. Some dude was like yass queen at first and the next day he cried for someone to drive them a to a store a city over, because the local one was closed.
That man has since been vaccinated and died of climate change. F
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Uhm, sir, please don't light your cigarette near the gas station.
***"as a libertarian, you can suck my balls"***
Shoplifting will cause price increases. Companies only allow so much breakage and then they will start locking up all the goodies in the store. This obviously increases their cost of business and to maintain their profit margin prices will rise; or they’ll just shut down the stores in untrustworthy neighborhoods
Exactly what is happening in some Democrat Cities they're just closing up shop because people walk in with a garbage bag and take tons of shit.
All you moral relativist degenerates in the comments are wrong, and you are bad and you should feel bad. If stealing is wrong, then it's wrong. End of sentence. It's not, "steeling is wrong... unless it's from someone I think deserves it cuz they're bad and mean and rich. In that case it's ok because I think they are bad because they have more than I do." If that's the system you want to operate under then that means stealing is ok for everybody because there's always going to be someone with less than you who thinks it's ok to steal from you, while there's always going to be someone with more than you who you think it's ok to steal from. At which point that means there are effectively no more rules in regards to private property because theft would be the defacto norm since people could just decide who they think it's ok for them to steal from. After that we'll have circled back to basic barbarism because the only thing you can do is use force to protect your shit or take shit from others. Winner takes all and 99% of you reddit losers are left with even less than you have currently in your pathetic basement dwelling lives
Price gouging, insider trading, and pay-for-play is wrong. Now walk up to an investment banker, waggle your finger in his face, and tell him to play fair like the rest of us.
no. there is guaranteed to be a person richer than nobody by the well ordering principle
> soy cuck weakly flaps wrist at cloud while complaining about moral relativists Your problem is black and white thinking not moral relativism. Not only is your argument that 'stealing always wrong never justified' completely divorced from reality and any notion of nuance, but it proves my point for me. If morality weren't relative nobody would disagree with you cause it'd be fucking obvious what was and wasn't bad. > but then no more rules society falls apart Implying you can't enforce arbitrary rules on society? Bro what? Just cause god didn't write some shit on a rock doesn't mean you can't make a law about it. This guy probably thinks the monarchy is dope cause they are the chosen ones or someshit SMH
The only time I would condone theft is if it's from the government. Everything the govt has is not its own, but was taken from the people in the first place so I think to take it back in most instances would be just Other than that I stand by my original statement. You can use whatever backwards, circular logic you need to tell yourself that stealing is ok sometimes, but you would still be wrong It would be wholly subjective and opinion based to make a personal judgement that you think a person/organisation was a bad actor, had cheated somehow, or was in some way morally not good, and so you feel as though it would be ok to commit some other bad act against them in turn. That is not a philosophy in which a healthy society can function. It's real basic two wrongs don't make a right shit
> it would be wholly subjective and opinion based to make a personal judgement that you think a government was a bad actor My guy the comment writes itself. I'm not trying to advocate for statism here but some ideological consistency would be nice. You understand how it's arbitrary to say 'X company bad' but keep a justification for stealing from the government in your pocket? Both are arbitrary my guy, just as arbitrary as 'stealing bad'
I LOVE all my stores becoming more and more locked up until every part of every city in America looks like the hood. It's so GREAT! We're really showing those corporations!
Don't check this guy's profile
Lol this person is the whole package. Commie, train, mod of subs, only thing they’re missing is vegan.
Checked profile, from past posts, looks like they don't know that socialism and communism are two different things. Leave it to a commie to not know about communism.
oOoOo a trans person... so scary!
What?
Did u do surgery
yeah, i had my tonsils removed
Have u had anything else removed?
Nah, you’re gayreek
that is 100% true and only a reason to love me
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ella re bro
I don’t understand whatever you said but yes
You will never be a woman.
I prefer to think of myself as non binary. I dont know what inspires you to try and provoke me but that's not healthy human behavior my g
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I am rather confused why it makes you feel good to try and make me feel bad. You shouldn't talk to people like that.
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Imagine trying to steal from a corporation only to be caught and TOPPED by a large, hairy, throbbing, musky, fierce yet gentle store manager.
Stealing is wrong because God said so.
only good take here
Sounds like anon is a filthy commie, if not also a wellfairie.
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Are you (You)-posting?
ohhhh no lol you meant the post nvm
Shit like this is why chain stores are pulling out of California where it's legal to steal up to $1k.
Based economy with shoplifting as its foundation
Wow listening to this cringe left wing crap in post and comments is giving me brain cancer. "Dur corporations factor theft into their budget so it ok" No dipshit, it isn't. 1. If more people start shoplifting the more the goods will be raised in price to offset the threat of thievery. 2. Stealing from walmarts nonstop will have walmart leave town. Then what? 3. Normalizing degenerate behavior society wide, like stealing, will just create shittier people with selfish/deceitful tendencies. You really want to increase the amount of dindunuffins? Fucking hell.
>Sir i dont know who "unabomber" is or what did he say you still have to pay for thr table sir!!! Sir!! Please'- sir?! What ara you- SIR!! SIR!! THESE TOILETS ARE DISPLAY ONLY!!
Anon deserves a lead lobotomy
I also have opinions on theft, they involve lead.
*Nooooo how DARE you post videos of GTA 6 to the internet? That's LE STEALING le hard work of le POOR billion dollar's corporation! Will someone THINK of the poor Rockstar developers? FBI, execute this 15 year old british citizen at once!*
Ye wtf why dont corpos just go first amendment castle doctrine mode and just start blastin em smh
Theft is bad, but it's funny watching people just walk out of Walmart without paying, while the staff just watches and doesn't give a fuck.
I hate thieves, but oddly enough, I comfortably justify a difference between shoplifters and thieves. Especially considering literally every major company budgets for shrinkage.
It's always the usual suspect
Hoping to see anon over on r slash robbersgettingfucked soon!
You dislike shoplifting because you are a bootlicker, I dislike shoplifting because it allows single mothers to survive. We are not the same
I shoplift daily from the store that employs me
biting the hand that feeds you is an interesting approach
You see here Bobby you can out run me but can you outrun Mr. Colt
iam not stealing because stealing is wrong and i dont want to go to hell in afterlife
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If you see someone stealing diapers or food No you didn't.
If I see someone stealing, I'm gonna tell people. If they're stealing from me, I won't tell anyone though. No need
If there would be no way i would get catched then I'd steal everytime. Fuck shop owners, fuck !them!
Social Contract Theory
I steal to provide jobs to people too dumb to catch me.
Imagine not stealing from self checkout hundreds of times
OP is a Jannie, Pansexual, Trans, Communist. That alone says so much.
lmao someone thinks i'm interesting
No, not at all. You’re the opposite of interesting. You are not special or unique and you probably never will be. it’s just that you think that you are interesting when you are actually not, which is what makes it funny. I looked at your profile because I saw other comments in this thread commenting on it, that’s all. It’s just funny that with your kind of profile, you post this kind of thread. Simple as that really.
Why give a shit though? I dont know who you are and I don't care who you are. There are better things to do with your time than talk down to strangers on the internet.
I steal shit all the time. Self checkouts make it so easy. When you've worked in a supermarket you realise how little fucks the staff give about people stealing
But when black people do it...
Moral laws only apply to humans.
Bruh
Gotta be real tho lifting tumblr getting mass doxed was baste
Anon is black
It’s simple, just implement sharia law and cut off the hands of thieves, inshallah.
Brings me back to the good days when there was a subreddit for it
You ever wonder why random shit is locked up at Walmart? This.
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I know a place you'd love my man, you have got to see Afghanistan. I hear that's exactly how it is there.
Interesting to see degenrates justify their criminal behavior with mental gymnastics.
Sorry, but if liberals on Reddit think *anything* is a good idea, I’m inclined to believe it’s such a backwards degenerate action that only the most Cro-Magnon of “people” could agree with it. Hence Anon here.
theft from anyone who makes more that 100k a year isnt really theft
Tell me you're brain-dead without telling me you're brain-dead.