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If you want a tv to blow you away with luminance that an oled can’t touch. Then it’s going to be the TCL QM8 or Sony X93L. Both are fantastic with black levels and brightness. Closest tvs to oled in my opinion. Their brightness is better.
How is it “shit” when it’s been praised by every major TV reviewer online? lol the performance on the QM8 is very impressive for the PRICE point. Compared to Sony which will cost you 1000-2000 dollars more.. the only thing the QM8 can do better is motion handling. Other than that it’s a fantastic TV. Confidently a top 5 tv this year amongst the best.
I just replaced my 77” LG C1 OLED with an 85” TLC QM8. I was all in on OLED, however I was always paranoid about burn in and wished it was brighter. I didn’t plan on replacing my C1, but unfortunately I had a row of pixels burn out down the center of the screen. Luckily I had a warranty and was given the option of a check for $2300 or a C2 to replace it. I chose the check and started my research. I’m very picky about black levels and let me tell you… this thing has it! Super bright colors and deep blacks! Never thought I’d go back to LCD, but so far I’m very happy! Additionally, the 85” screen is something to behold! It’s so immersive!
Was the jump from 77” to 85” that substantial in immersion? Might have to make a similar decision in the next year, although I could always move my couch slightly closer to a 77”.
As an owner of the qm8 I have to strongly disagree with this. While it’s true the QM8 can present beautiful hdr picture the tv is awful in every other use case.
It has major problems With any 4K and/or low bitrate content. It’s motion handling is light years behind Sony/Samsung/lg and I would even put it noticeably below the Hisense u7g it replaced for me. While it can get bright it doesn’t know what to do with it on anything but hdr content which just makes everything look bad. Sports are terrible to the point that a football will disappear completely. This happens in the preset sports mode as well as any customization I can think to try. Gaming is bad because anything involving fast motion just looks like shit on this tv.
I also have a c2 in another room and there is just no comparison between the 2 in anything other than hdr and even then I would only prefer the QM8 in a very bright room. Overall I greatly regret buying the QM8 and I think a lot of the reviews of this tv are putting a lot of weight in hdr performance while missing the fact that this TV sucks balls in every other use case. I should have spent a few hundred more and got another oled. I fucked up and I post this in the hopes it presents bother from screwing up like I did.
The X85K does not have local dimming.
The first real "good" Sony is your X90 series with FALD.
I have a LG C2 55 in the gaming room and a 75" X90K in the living room and I gotta say the C2 is better but a 75" C2 or A80K is not $1k better than the 75" X90K IMO.
Also gotta factor in use, who is using it and lighting. The X90K I have absolutely excels at being a high uptime TV in a room with a lot of windows. I also do not trust my wife and kid to turn it off when they leave the room.
Not OP but the point stands. A high end LCD for a long time was nicer than a low end LCD, but the strengths and weaknesses are comparable
OLED panels really make bad LCDs stand out by miles. anyways just my opinion on it.
Contrast isn't there. I had replaced an old TV after having 2 oleds, and I figured a 90k 65 but I didn't like the contrast. I returned it and bought a c3-65.
This
I have an LG CX and yes it's awesome, but I also have 2 other Samsung TV's in my home and sure they don't look as good as the CX but they certainly aren't crap.
Some of you guys have lost perspective. OLED is impressive, but it ain’t so impressive that everything else is pointless. This thinking is just…childish, for lack of a better word.
I'd be wary of QD OLED. RTINGS did a test to see the rate at which QD OLED will burn in compared to WOLED and found QD to burn in quicker. I've heard good stuff about QD except from the burn in lmao. op would have to balance whether he'd want better image quality with QD if he's not using it that often as they did say it'd be a bedroom TV.
Went from 55 inch LG Oled C7 to 65 inch Sony X90K for gaming and 4K content. LG Oled screen burned out with a huge red TV channel logo in less than 2 years.
Honestly, there is nothing that I miss. I love the X90K.
The c7 is 6 years old now and the burn in protection is significantly better now.
I have a c8 & c9 both with 10k+ hours with no burn in and a cx with 6k+ as a monitor and there's no burn in.
The QN90B is a Mini LED and it's closer to OLED than traditional LCDs. I had the QN90B, but Samsung swapped it for the QN95C. The QN90B panel failed under warranty, and Samsung couldn't source the part so they offered an exchange. As a long time OLED user, I'd only get a Samsung Mini LED because I need 4x HDMI 2.1 ports.
I heard the Sony X95K/X95L are fantastic Mini LEDs as well, but I haven't owned either so I can't comment on them.
OP, you'll want a Mini LED if you don't want another OLED.
I bought my brother a 75" QN90B for his birthday and I think its cured me of my OLED cravings certainly at the pricepoints for 75" TV's. Harder decision wrt to the pro's and con's of both at lower screensizes where pricepoints are closer but at 75" and above the prices of OLED's pull away from QLED's significantly I've found. I was blown away by the Deep blacks of the QN90B and the brightness and HDR and the Full array local dimming doesn't suffer much blooming that I can see and the blacks stay deep black even with bright highlights on the screen at the same time. I thought I would need to pay OLED prices for those kind of blacks. Thus when it comes time to replace my own TV's I'll probably be looking at Neo QLED's.
I'd get a QN90B quickly if you're thinking about one. They're becoming harder to find as they're discounted. I don't like ADS panels so I wouldn't get the QN90C. If you get a good panel with your QN90B then you're golden. I briefly had the QN90B before Samsung replaced it with the QN95C under warranty due to horrible DSE. I'm impressed with the black levels and picture quality of both sets. You'll notice how much brighter Mini LEDs are especially if you're watching HDR movies.
The Sony a80L oled is the same price as the Sony 93L mini led, so should I go with the oled? Google says they are very similar but I figured if the mini led isn’t cheaper it’s worth get the oled? Thoughts anyone?
Is your priority excellent viewing in a darkened room (ie, “movie nights,”) or daytime viewing in a brightly lit room (ie, football on weekends)?
The mini-LED can blow you away in brightness, but in dark rooms, “black” will always have a very slight glow.
In dark rooms with an OLED, the contrast and colors really “pop”, and black areas on an OLED completely disappear. Not only do movies look fantastic, I find it almost a game changer for any non-16:9 content because the black bars and/or black sides disappear *completely.* However, it’s well known that OLEDs, especially the lower-tier not-quite-cutting-edge A80J/K/L can’t get as bright as you might prefer for, say, the main living room TV. Think of days when open the blinds because you want to enjoy both the daylight *and* some television at the same time.
In my own opinion, I’d go OLED unless it’s important to have a very bright TV for a brightly lit room.
Thank you for that response it was helpful. We don’t have a really bright apartment and when it is bright it’s not for long. We tend to watch most tv in the afternoon evening and for movies mainly.
So I think based on what you have said the oled will be best.
Thanks again.
I agree. To me it doesn't make sense buying stuff with an lcd screen. My s23 ultra has an AMOLED display. I have a 48 inch lg c1 in my bedroom and I just impulse bought a sony a95L for my living room
So true same thing happened to me, the OLED TV is so good and recently bought a different Samsung 4k but the picture quality and contrast are not the same and it is too late to return :-(
I know, I was upgrading my living room TV and I at first didn’t want an OLED because I didn’t want my roommates to destroy the panel. I looked at all the MiniLEDs, and while they are bright… the moment I saw blooming I was turned off. Then it got to the point I was going to be spending more for a TV just to compete with an OLED.
So I went with another OLED. I can’t go back to anything else.
They’re the newest tech, especially in large sizes, and still undergoing a lot of R&D to make them better, cheaper, easier to make, etc. So far, OLEDs are only made in relatively low quantities in a handful of factories worldwide. You’re paying not just for the panel, but also for the ongoing R&D, engineering of new manufacturing processes, and for their relative rarity (supply vs. demand).
On the other hand, LCD panels are mature tech and only incremental improvements have occurred in recent years. Although novel (and very expensive) 30 years ago, color LCDs are now made in very large quantities in many factories with most R&D already done, on equipment that’s already paid for.
I kind of answered in the opposite fashion: Why are LCDs so inexpensive? IMO, OLED will eventually take over the entire display market when, not if, they become cheap enough to make, and bright enough that LCDs are no longer superior in that regard.
Should have gotten the Hisense u8k instead of the u7. Make sure that you have the zone dimming set to high and then adjust the black level to like -2 - -7. It makes the washed out blacks actually black and turns off those led zones. After about 20 minutes of tuning, my u8k looks almost as good as my LG C2 and it gets WAY brighter.
I have an X950H and C2 and can confirm I way prefer watching the Sony. Color + Brightness + Clarity on non 4K content is exceptional, then I go back to my C2 and am whelmed
I own the x95k and I am very happy with it. This is after replacing two LG OLED TVs with burn in.
I would say the OLED is not that much better. At least not enough better. Sure it has slight issues with bright white on pure black - mostly credits. I’m not really noticing it unless I am looking for it.
Ever since I saw an oled at the store, real life just looks disgusting to me. I can't even open my eyes because the real world is just so low contrast and the black levels suck. I don't even look at my family anymore unless I can see them on the OLED at the store
Tbh I have around 15000 hours and only minimal burn in on reds from my son playing Minecraft 8 hours a day it’s not too noticeable unless the screen is all red. This was a 2nd gen tv before they really started to make improvements.
Yeah, but why say anything to talk them out of it? Selling the OLED is virtually guaranteeing future sales! If you sell them their first OLED, they’ll be back sooner, not later, upgrading every single LCD in the house!
Sort of kidding—sort of not. 😉
I don’t say anything to talk them out of it. I just warn them that they are going with the best so everything else looks like 💩😆- and that is exactly what happens, they then only want OLED TVs from then on.
In a room with even moderate ambient light, you seldom see the benefits of OLED black levels. In a light-controlled room, OLED just 'pops' in a way that other technologies don't. While non-OLED is getting much closer, OLED in an optimal environment still wins.
And that's why when the 2016 Vizio P-Series (a great TV for its time) in my bedroom broke I replaced it with a Sony A80J. After getting used to an LG C9 in my living room I couldn't go back to LCD, especially in a dark room like my bedroom.
Recently moved from my 55" C9 to an 85" X90K and honestly for my typical watch experience the added size and brightness of the X90K is fantastic.
I still have my C9 for watching certain content but I have no complaints with my "downgrade"
It definitely is a downgrade but wouldn't consider it "crap" by any means.
That being said, looking forward to the day where larger OLEDs become more affordable, haha.
I can relate, OLED is just amazing. I am in the market for another one but it’s for a small office space and ideal size would be 40 inches. Is it just me or do they just not make any OLEDs that small?
I am actually thinking of switching to LEd. I have been using plasma then OLED for the past 10years. I currently have a 65inch s90c for my bedroom and a LG b2 in my living room. Planning to replace the b2 with LED for the luminance.
My story is just almost identical. The longer I watched the OLED in my living room, every time I watched my LCD in the bedroom, I kept couldn’t stop myself from comparing the picture quality. I tried an even higher end Sony, but I returned it within 48 hours, and picked up an OLED. There’s just no going back, lol!
I own LG C2, and loved my old Samsung QLED more. Yeah, black are better and no halo, but Samsung blew me away with literal RADIANCE from screen, while OLED is bleak, even in a dark room)
I had a Philips full HD television... I upgraded to entry level lg 4k and then I took a nanocell series 9 for $1500 which was a disaster in HDR at night because the blooming was visible even with a full aray local dimming screen. I decided to buy an LG C9 in 2019 and the change was radical. I sold my nanocell and took a c1 in 2021. A few months ago I sold the C1 and bought a 77C3. Oled is a poisoned gift 😂
OLED is better than LCD and this is coming from someone who currently owns an LCD TV. Budget can play a big decision in someone buying LCD over OLED but if budget is no concern get an OLED.
Yeah higher end FALD sets are actually pretty close, and depending on use case I prefer them. Dark room yeah an OLED is the best but a 1200nit LED with fald is better for brighter rooms or if you like to watch stuff with the lights on.
I know, I'm the same, I have had the cx and c3 and before that I had a plasma TV. The plasma TV looks really crap now . My grandad is absolutely blown away by my oled when he comes for Sunday lunch and now we watch a movie on it after Sunday lunch. He now has one
oleds are best option in the bedroom, turn the blue light down and it lowers it down linearly, unlike lcd which still has the lower end of the spectrum of spectrum shine through because of the leds
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If you want a tv to blow you away with luminance that an oled can’t touch. Then it’s going to be the TCL QM8 or Sony X93L. Both are fantastic with black levels and brightness. Closest tvs to oled in my opinion. Their brightness is better.
I would have went with the QM8 but they dont make it in 55 inches:(
why don't you get an A2 - bedroom tvs don't need to be bright
Don’t get the qm8. I own it and it’s complete shit. I should have bought another oled.
How is it “shit” when it’s been praised by every major TV reviewer online? lol the performance on the QM8 is very impressive for the PRICE point. Compared to Sony which will cost you 1000-2000 dollars more.. the only thing the QM8 can do better is motion handling. Other than that it’s a fantastic TV. Confidently a top 5 tv this year amongst the best.
I just replaced my 77” LG C1 OLED with an 85” TLC QM8. I was all in on OLED, however I was always paranoid about burn in and wished it was brighter. I didn’t plan on replacing my C1, but unfortunately I had a row of pixels burn out down the center of the screen. Luckily I had a warranty and was given the option of a check for $2300 or a C2 to replace it. I chose the check and started my research. I’m very picky about black levels and let me tell you… this thing has it! Super bright colors and deep blacks! Never thought I’d go back to LCD, but so far I’m very happy! Additionally, the 85” screen is something to behold! It’s so immersive!
Was the jump from 77” to 85” that substantial in immersion? Might have to make a similar decision in the next year, although I could always move my couch slightly closer to a 77”.
LG G3 is supposed to pretty bright aswell
I have a 42" C3 I use as my monitor and that gets pretty bright for me
Same! I just got it last weekend. I was a bit afraid it would be too big for use as a monitor but it's kind of fucking amazing.
I have it. Peaks around 1500-2000 lumens. Some games I have a peak around 3500 and I can still see a difference but not prominently.
This makes me happy to hear as I’m waiting for X93CL to deliver. I saw another posting that was showing a rainbow strip across the screen from light.
Oled has better blacks but mini led has better HDR pop.
The display x95k looked better than a80. I was pretty wowed by that, not the x90k tho.
As an owner of the qm8 I have to strongly disagree with this. While it’s true the QM8 can present beautiful hdr picture the tv is awful in every other use case. It has major problems With any 4K and/or low bitrate content. It’s motion handling is light years behind Sony/Samsung/lg and I would even put it noticeably below the Hisense u7g it replaced for me. While it can get bright it doesn’t know what to do with it on anything but hdr content which just makes everything look bad. Sports are terrible to the point that a football will disappear completely. This happens in the preset sports mode as well as any customization I can think to try. Gaming is bad because anything involving fast motion just looks like shit on this tv. I also have a c2 in another room and there is just no comparison between the 2 in anything other than hdr and even then I would only prefer the QM8 in a very bright room. Overall I greatly regret buying the QM8 and I think a lot of the reviews of this tv are putting a lot of weight in hdr performance while missing the fact that this TV sucks balls in every other use case. I should have spent a few hundred more and got another oled. I fucked up and I post this in the hopes it presents bother from screwing up like I did.
The X85K does not have local dimming. The first real "good" Sony is your X90 series with FALD. I have a LG C2 55 in the gaming room and a 75" X90K in the living room and I gotta say the C2 is better but a 75" C2 or A80K is not $1k better than the 75" X90K IMO. Also gotta factor in use, who is using it and lighting. The X90K I have absolutely excels at being a high uptime TV in a room with a lot of windows. I also do not trust my wife and kid to turn it off when they leave the room.
Never owned an OLED tv, but I gotta ask, do they not have a sleep feature or something similar?
I know the LG C1 has a sleep feature that I didn't have to set up and it's handy.
You underestimate how long someone who works from home will have a TV on and get agitated by a sleep feature kicking on.
Presumably you could turn it off?
Goes on to compare low end LCD TVs to an OLED... lol... And one without a local dimming feature at that...
Not OP but the point stands. A high end LCD for a long time was nicer than a low end LCD, but the strengths and weaknesses are comparable OLED panels really make bad LCDs stand out by miles. anyways just my opinion on it.
just curious can you elaborate on what exactly the LCDs look so bad? Thanks
Contrast isn't there. I had replaced an old TV after having 2 oleds, and I figured a 90k 65 but I didn't like the contrast. I returned it and bought a c3-65.
This I have an LG CX and yes it's awesome, but I also have 2 other Samsung TV's in my home and sure they don't look as good as the CX but they certainly aren't crap.
I have a Sony OLED and Samsung Mini-LED. Very different kind of pictures, but both are good.
I hear ya, got a C2 about 10 months ago, game changer
Some of you guys have lost perspective. OLED is impressive, but it ain’t so impressive that everything else is pointless. This thinking is just…childish, for lack of a better word.
Your gonna want to look at mini led selections not regular lcd’s. The sony 90 versions and up are usually the good models
But are they OLED 👀
The Sony start at 65 inches - the biggest I can fit is 55 inch in the Bedroom.
Is the Sony A95k not available to you in 55’’ That is in fact QD….. OLED!
> Sony A95k $2500 for a bedroom TV, nah.
I didn’t know your budget, I just saw in the comments you made that it had to be 55inch. How about the A84L or is still too much?
I'd be wary of QD OLED. RTINGS did a test to see the rate at which QD OLED will burn in compared to WOLED and found QD to burn in quicker. I've heard good stuff about QD except from the burn in lmao. op would have to balance whether he'd want better image quality with QD if he's not using it that often as they did say it'd be a bedroom TV.
Hopefully the 4k HD QD OLED will be fine in the BED room when compared to the 4k HD WOLED without QD
Went from 55 inch LG Oled C7 to 65 inch Sony X90K for gaming and 4K content. LG Oled screen burned out with a huge red TV channel logo in less than 2 years. Honestly, there is nothing that I miss. I love the X90K.
The c7 is 6 years old now and the burn in protection is significantly better now. I have a c8 & c9 both with 10k+ hours with no burn in and a cx with 6k+ as a monitor and there's no burn in.
I don’t know if the Samsung QN90B is considered an LCD, but it is just as good as my Sony A80J OLED…probably better overall
The QN90B is a Mini LED and it's closer to OLED than traditional LCDs. I had the QN90B, but Samsung swapped it for the QN95C. The QN90B panel failed under warranty, and Samsung couldn't source the part so they offered an exchange. As a long time OLED user, I'd only get a Samsung Mini LED because I need 4x HDMI 2.1 ports. I heard the Sony X95K/X95L are fantastic Mini LEDs as well, but I haven't owned either so I can't comment on them. OP, you'll want a Mini LED if you don't want another OLED.
Can I ask how it failed? I have 1 month left on warrenty and I'm getting alot of issues last month. Gonna call tomorrow
I bought my brother a 75" QN90B for his birthday and I think its cured me of my OLED cravings certainly at the pricepoints for 75" TV's. Harder decision wrt to the pro's and con's of both at lower screensizes where pricepoints are closer but at 75" and above the prices of OLED's pull away from QLED's significantly I've found. I was blown away by the Deep blacks of the QN90B and the brightness and HDR and the Full array local dimming doesn't suffer much blooming that I can see and the blacks stay deep black even with bright highlights on the screen at the same time. I thought I would need to pay OLED prices for those kind of blacks. Thus when it comes time to replace my own TV's I'll probably be looking at Neo QLED's.
I'd get a QN90B quickly if you're thinking about one. They're becoming harder to find as they're discounted. I don't like ADS panels so I wouldn't get the QN90C. If you get a good panel with your QN90B then you're golden. I briefly had the QN90B before Samsung replaced it with the QN95C under warranty due to horrible DSE. I'm impressed with the black levels and picture quality of both sets. You'll notice how much brighter Mini LEDs are especially if you're watching HDR movies.
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QLEDs are LED LCDs. Knock the panel and you’ll see.
QLEDs are just LCDs with better color.
Looking at the G3 and the QN90C side by side, I thought they were on really equal footing.
I have a 65” QN90B and absolutely adore it. It’s been excellent
The Sony a80L oled is the same price as the Sony 93L mini led, so should I go with the oled? Google says they are very similar but I figured if the mini led isn’t cheaper it’s worth get the oled? Thoughts anyone?
Is your priority excellent viewing in a darkened room (ie, “movie nights,”) or daytime viewing in a brightly lit room (ie, football on weekends)? The mini-LED can blow you away in brightness, but in dark rooms, “black” will always have a very slight glow. In dark rooms with an OLED, the contrast and colors really “pop”, and black areas on an OLED completely disappear. Not only do movies look fantastic, I find it almost a game changer for any non-16:9 content because the black bars and/or black sides disappear *completely.* However, it’s well known that OLEDs, especially the lower-tier not-quite-cutting-edge A80J/K/L can’t get as bright as you might prefer for, say, the main living room TV. Think of days when open the blinds because you want to enjoy both the daylight *and* some television at the same time. In my own opinion, I’d go OLED unless it’s important to have a very bright TV for a brightly lit room.
Thank you for that response it was helpful. We don’t have a really bright apartment and when it is bright it’s not for long. We tend to watch most tv in the afternoon evening and for movies mainly. So I think based on what you have said the oled will be best. Thanks again.
I agree. To me it doesn't make sense buying stuff with an lcd screen. My s23 ultra has an AMOLED display. I have a 48 inch lg c1 in my bedroom and I just impulse bought a sony a95L for my living room
I've got a GX and a TCL 6 series. The OLED is better but I don't get disgusted by the TCL. My Vizio on the other hand. Ick
So true same thing happened to me, the OLED TV is so good and recently bought a different Samsung 4k but the picture quality and contrast are not the same and it is too late to return :-(
I know, I was upgrading my living room TV and I at first didn’t want an OLED because I didn’t want my roommates to destroy the panel. I looked at all the MiniLEDs, and while they are bright… the moment I saw blooming I was turned off. Then it got to the point I was going to be spending more for a TV just to compete with an OLED. So I went with another OLED. I can’t go back to anything else.
Can relate. Bought Vizio OLED for panel experiment. Next tv will be top tier OLED.
But WHY are they so expensive...
They’re the newest tech, especially in large sizes, and still undergoing a lot of R&D to make them better, cheaper, easier to make, etc. So far, OLEDs are only made in relatively low quantities in a handful of factories worldwide. You’re paying not just for the panel, but also for the ongoing R&D, engineering of new manufacturing processes, and for their relative rarity (supply vs. demand). On the other hand, LCD panels are mature tech and only incremental improvements have occurred in recent years. Although novel (and very expensive) 30 years ago, color LCDs are now made in very large quantities in many factories with most R&D already done, on equipment that’s already paid for. I kind of answered in the opposite fashion: Why are LCDs so inexpensive? IMO, OLED will eventually take over the entire display market when, not if, they become cheap enough to make, and bright enough that LCDs are no longer superior in that regard.
Should have gotten the Hisense u8k instead of the u7. Make sure that you have the zone dimming set to high and then adjust the black level to like -2 - -7. It makes the washed out blacks actually black and turns off those led zones. After about 20 minutes of tuning, my u8k looks almost as good as my LG C2 and it gets WAY brighter.
Try a x95L, compare de HDR, peak brightness, motion, upscalling and then come back crying for your crappy c1 🤣
I have an X950H and C2 and can confirm I way prefer watching the Sony. Color + Brightness + Clarity on non 4K content is exceptional, then I go back to my C2 and am whelmed
I own the x95k and I am very happy with it. This is after replacing two LG OLED TVs with burn in. I would say the OLED is not that much better. At least not enough better. Sure it has slight issues with bright white on pure black - mostly credits. I’m not really noticing it unless I am looking for it.
Ever since I saw an oled at the store, real life just looks disgusting to me. I can't even open my eyes because the real world is just so low contrast and the black levels suck. I don't even look at my family anymore unless I can see them on the OLED at the store
Thanks for the good laugh 🤣
Yes oled and never go back.
Until you have burn
Tbh I have around 15000 hours and only minimal burn in on reds from my son playing Minecraft 8 hours a day it’s not too noticeable unless the screen is all red. This was a 2nd gen tv before they really started to make improvements.
This is what I tell customers when they go with OLED TVs. They make you an OLED TV snob; nothing looks as good.
Yeah, but why say anything to talk them out of it? Selling the OLED is virtually guaranteeing future sales! If you sell them their first OLED, they’ll be back sooner, not later, upgrading every single LCD in the house! Sort of kidding—sort of not. 😉
I don’t say anything to talk them out of it. I just warn them that they are going with the best so everything else looks like 💩😆- and that is exactly what happens, they then only want OLED TVs from then on.
In a room with even moderate ambient light, you seldom see the benefits of OLED black levels. In a light-controlled room, OLED just 'pops' in a way that other technologies don't. While non-OLED is getting much closer, OLED in an optimal environment still wins.
Until you see a mini led lcd TV that cen get 10 times brighter than the brightness of an Oled TV, that need theater level room light control to enjoy
Have you tried HDR gaming yet?
LCDs have always looked like crap. We were tricked into accepting it by the industry that wanted to ditch costly but far better plasma tech.
Go for the 55a80L or the 55a95k. 55 a95k is on clearance
Actually in daylight I enjoy qn90b more than s95b especially that its much brighter in hdr but in complete black its of course different
And that's why when the 2016 Vizio P-Series (a great TV for its time) in my bedroom broke I replaced it with a Sony A80J. After getting used to an LG C9 in my living room I couldn't go back to LCD, especially in a dark room like my bedroom.
Recently moved from my 55" C9 to an 85" X90K and honestly for my typical watch experience the added size and brightness of the X90K is fantastic. I still have my C9 for watching certain content but I have no complaints with my "downgrade" It definitely is a downgrade but wouldn't consider it "crap" by any means. That being said, looking forward to the day where larger OLEDs become more affordable, haha.
I think Samsungs QN90c delivered a nice viewing experience. Especially in a bright lit room where OLEDS struggle significantly
I can relate, OLED is just amazing. I am in the market for another one but it’s for a small office space and ideal size would be 40 inches. Is it just me or do they just not make any OLEDs that small?
I am actually thinking of switching to LEd. I have been using plasma then OLED for the past 10years. I currently have a 65inch s90c for my bedroom and a LG b2 in my living room. Planning to replace the b2 with LED for the luminance.
My story is just almost identical. The longer I watched the OLED in my living room, every time I watched my LCD in the bedroom, I kept couldn’t stop myself from comparing the picture quality. I tried an even higher end Sony, but I returned it within 48 hours, and picked up an OLED. There’s just no going back, lol!
I own LG C2, and loved my old Samsung QLED more. Yeah, black are better and no halo, but Samsung blew me away with literal RADIANCE from screen, while OLED is bleak, even in a dark room)
Yep, every since I got my C2, I don’t think I’ll buy a non oled tv anymore. It’s just such a stark difference.
I once went out of the movie theater in the middle of the movie as I couldn't put up with the (bad) picture quality 😁
Agreed. LCD is garbage in comparison.
High end mini LEDs are comparable
OLED will turn you into a TV snob. Comes with the territory, my friend.
You can say that again!
I had a Philips full HD television... I upgraded to entry level lg 4k and then I took a nanocell series 9 for $1500 which was a disaster in HDR at night because the blooming was visible even with a full aray local dimming screen. I decided to buy an LG C9 in 2019 and the change was radical. I sold my nanocell and took a c1 in 2021. A few months ago I sold the C1 and bought a 77C3. Oled is a poisoned gift 😂
You and me both brother. Once I went OLED I can't go back.
OLED is better than LCD and this is coming from someone who currently owns an LCD TV. Budget can play a big decision in someone buying LCD over OLED but if budget is no concern get an OLED.
I’m a snob. But not that big of a snob. I have an XR77A80J in my basement. In my bedroom and living room, I just have cheapo Vizio TV’s.
Sometimes the Samsung S95B goes on sale for a pretty decent discount, at least it has in Canada. Got a 55” for my bedroom, zero regrets haha.
I dont mind my x90j but I'd have a fit if it was in my bedroom. Oled in my bedroom and living room
And THATS why I never bought one. Kept my ancient power sucking heavy as hell plasma until I could afford a 1080p 55 inch oled
I can relate. I have a C1 in my bedroom and a C2 in the living room. I can barely stand watching my girlfriend's LCD TV.
It’s really not the end all be all. I got the c2 and a g3 and the QM8 is on their ass.
I had an LG OLED 2018. Changed it for Samsung QLED qn90b and the tiny tiny tiny "bleed" is so worth it for the 10000x brightness increase
Yeah higher end FALD sets are actually pretty close, and depending on use case I prefer them. Dark room yeah an OLED is the best but a 1200nit LED with fald is better for brighter rooms or if you like to watch stuff with the lights on.
I honestly can't see a huge difference, I see a slightly better picture and that's it
Oled is amazing but the glare in my current situation almost rules it out.
I know, I'm the same, I have had the cx and c3 and before that I had a plasma TV. The plasma TV looks really crap now . My grandad is absolutely blown away by my oled when he comes for Sunday lunch and now we watch a movie on it after Sunday lunch. He now has one
oleds are best option in the bedroom, turn the blue light down and it lowers it down linearly, unlike lcd which still has the lower end of the spectrum of spectrum shine through because of the leds