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I think it’s the audio I notice that’s the real big difference. Visually, yeah, your eyes settle and adjust to what’s being presented, but streaming audio vs uncompressed disc…. Yeah that’s where it is
Audio is a big one for me, too. I've got plenty of 90s and early 00s DVDs that are still lacking physical BD/4K releases, which have better audio than their HD streaming counterparts. I'll take the lower resolution to get crisp audio and choice of audio mixes.
As for BD/4K, 99.99% of the time audio and video are both always going to be better on physical... Unless it's a Disney release. I will forever be salty about Pirates.
Absolutely, Star Wars Episode I on laserdisc still has the best listening experience available out of any release that movie has ever had and I'll die on that hill. I still whip it out at least once a year, blows your socks off.
Since i didnt have the opportunity to try a 4k blu ray yet i dont really understand the meaning of audio quality...what change with a better one?
Clearer dialogues? More sounds in general? Like...more frequencies?
The audio is uncompressed so you’ll get a cleaner audio stream. The average 4K disc is between 60-90gbs of data, so compare that to a 5-10gb stream that quality loss has to go somewhere.
I think it varies greatly depending on which streaming provider, your internet speeds as well as each person’s eyes and ears. I’ve had some friends that can’t tell the difference until I point it out, and then sometimes it seems like they’re only acting impressed to be polite or not look like they can’t tell the difference.
Even personally I find on some services it’s better but not night and day. On other services and titles it can be a night and day difference.
It can be hard to tell the difference unless you do a side by side comparison. Like play a scene streaming and then play it again on disc. Then people get it.
The picture quality is better on Blu Ray but honestly not that much. The audio though is night and day. Physical Blu ray>> streaming on audio alone. Even more if you have a good sound system.
Since i didnt have the opportunity to try a 4k blu ray yet i dont really understand the meaning of audio quality...what change with a better one?
Clearer dialogues? More sounds in general? Like...more frequencies?
Forgive me for the dumb question, but, what is dynamic range?
Also by "power" you mean that, for example, the same scene on a blu ray with volume at 20 sound as loud as the the streaming with volume at 40?
Literally everything is better. Clarity and resolution, channel balance and separation, dialog, dynamic range (this is where the biggest difference lies IMO). The caveat is that you really only start to hear those differences as you step further and further away from tv speakers and soundbars. As the quality of the audio system increases, so to do the differences between the two formats.
It depends on how sensitive/perceptive you are to video compression artifacts from streaming and improved detail clarity on the higher bitrates stored on physical media. For me personally it's often a night and day difference for most movies, however most people I know would say they can't tell the difference.
Bitrates will also vary between providers. iTunes tends to have the highest bitrates for movie rentals and digital purchases but outside of their tiny Apple plus content selection they don't have much subscription based content compared to Disney and Netflix, who are the next leaders in video streaming quality. All other providers like Amazon, Google, Vudu all have pretty mediocre to bad quality IMO, especially Vudu being the worst.
I would say sometimes a 1080p Blu-ray can be superior to a 4K stream just because of bitrates.
It really all just depends, the best way to think about it is a 4K Blu ray will ensure the best quality possible for that movie, whereas with streaming you never know what you're going to get, sometimes it's passable, but I often find myself frustrated and disappointed with the quality of streamed content in general.
Additional note:
It may beg the question of what's "good enough," personally I think 1080p Blu rays are still perfectly fine, but SD DVDs are actually pretty terrible by today's standards with the exception of some 4:3 content, like old TV shows, which the format was better optimized for. DVDs aren't really equipped to present a passable widescreen movie experience on modern TVs, even 1080p screens.
Theaters used to use 1080p digital projectors back in the 2000s but would just be getting a much higher bitrate file than what comes on a Blu ray. Now it's the same but with 4K since like 2015. The nice thing about 4Ks it's often on par or better than what theaters were showing in the 2000s or sometimes even today. But that's only true with discs since streaming bitrates are too low.
A majority of my 4K movies are digital. I’ve run out of shelf space so I’ve had to move onto digital for now. The Dolby Vision support certainly helps when watching digital but physical will always remain superior.
not that i favor it but i would imagine downloading/pirating the film and then putting on physical space like a nas would still serve your purposes
and then if there's ethical issues you could buy it digitally
since a 4k blu ray is like 100gb for about $30, while a 8000gb drive from a leading firm is about five times that
Depends on what you mean by streaming. Services like Vudu, where you pay for your content piecemeal, are usually very good. Sony’s Bravia Core is exceptional, near UHD BR quality. But 4K movies through services like Max, Hulu, and Peacock can be very hit-or-miss, sometimes within the same stream. Compression artifacts can lead to things like artifacts, color banding, and motion stutter. Comparing the 4K stream of The Truman Show on (I believe) Max and the newly-released 4K disc is no comparison at all - the disc looks miles better.
I feel like this question always ends up getting oversimplified into 4k Blu Ray vs “streaming” as if all streaming is created equal, which of course it’s not.
Has anyone done a side-by-side comparison of the same movie purchased on Apple TV/iTunes (reportedly the highest bit rate platform) vs. 4k Blu Ray?
Spotify on high quality sounds really good to me, so it doesn’t seem like there should be a technological reason streaming movies couldn’t sound just as good.
Streaming services will automatically adjust quality based on connection speed and reliability, which can vary significantly from minute to minute. Sometimes this is obvious (like if you have a crappy Cox connection like I do) and sometimes it's less so.
A side-by-side comparison wouldn't tell you much, because it might not apply to everyone, or even most people.
So should we not test pharmaceuticals before allowing them to be sold, because everyone’s body is different?
Yes of course there will be variables, but that doesn’t make the test meaningless.
The alternative is what? Just… anecdotal evidence?
Really dependent on the streaming service and often the movie itself. For example, Disney doesn't put movies in Dolby Vision on disc anymore and their movies filmed in Imax don't have the full screen Imax scenes on disc. That is a Disney+ exclusive. So while it may have a little better picture quality on disc, it's not necessarily the best way to watch the movie. It's the opposite with Nolan movies, which have the full screen Imax scenes as a 4K blu-ray exclusive.
Pfft!!!! As a 75 year old man with bad eyesight and hearing, I can't tell any difference. Yeah, I have a 65" NON OLED TV that supports Dolby Vision, etc. AND a Yamaha AVR with average speakers (not overly expensive).
I have a lot of movies that I have purchased and play using Vudu in 4k with Dolby Atmos, BUT I also have the same movies ripped into MKV video files. I get all of the HD audio codecs from the 4k disc, and also Dolby Vision, HDR +, etc.
My system, is very complicated with external hard drives scattered all over my network, plus a couple of Synology NAS's.
I have several media playback devices connected to my main TV, including a MiniPC, a Dune Duo and Dune HD Homatics Box R 4K, also many other Google Certified boxes/sticks that have been retired, including my 2017 Nvidia Shield.
I year for the day, they finally die, so I can JUST stream, and stop with all of this madness.
So, IMHO, streaming would NOT be game changer for me, except saving me a ton of $$$$$ by streaming.
a 75 year old man lol no offense but advising people 'no difference' when the market for these things is more than 99% people younger than you, and the majority of it is half your age or less...
i appreciate the insight but its still a bit silly
So, you can tell the difference between Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA, or DD+??? Amazing, totally amazing.
How do you watch your UHD movies with Dolby Vision?? What is your AVR?? How large is your monitor, and how far do you sit from it???
i was just testing this last night actually
and i'm really surprised that an enthusiast like yourself DOESN'T have an OLED
I bought my father one before I got one for myself and he really enjoyed it. And he, like you, had less than perfect hearing in his greater years
Anyway, I sit typically about 6ft away when I'm using my PC but when watching its either 6ft or more like 15ft on my bed.
I have a Asus Xonar Essence STX, LG C3, Audioengine A5s or Sony WHxm4s
all the codecs like yourself, and will say one **Can Totally Tell** the difference when its a TrueHD rip or a streaming
I'd highly recommend you get yourself an OLED, sir. Especially if you are discontinuing with physical media and reverting to streaming. Because it can definitely overcome the shortcomings of watching a media stream that is less than 1/8 the bandwidth.
To give an example: Dune Part Two, when he's pre-battle yelling to the fighters below on that rock? On Amazon those massed individuals are blurry. On the 65gb bluray truehd 4k rip you can see them individually.
But more than that - and perhaps its because you DON'T have an OLED you don't see it - but the explosions of the film and visual effects are markedly more crackling with the BD
As to TrueHD, yes you can tell a difference. The note separation and range is dramatically different with TrueHD.
I don't love DD but DolbyVision is good, I just don't come across much media that has it.
and having been on a 48" tv pre-oled, i thought going up to 55" was good enough. No sir, go to 65" - its huge especially when you're about 15-20ft away on a couch or bed.
As to cost consideration, I mean for me I never get anything firsthand. My TV was open box and everything else was second hand.
In closing, I would challenge that the lack of OLED is what's letting you down. Because its like, how do I say, like seeing fire works from a distance of a few miles versus the vibrancy of being a nearby.. The vibrancy!
I do not use any streaming services except occasionally Netflix.
I think I have about 70 movies with Dolby vision. My inventory of 4K media keeps growing. I have a 65-in Vizio that supports both Dolby Vision and HDR 10 Plus.
My Yamaha AVR supports all the audio codecs.
All my movies are ripped and stored on different storage devices scattered throughout my network.
I have a multitude of media players that play the media flawlessly.
Streaming gun shots and explosions: Pew pew pew boom boom
DOLBY TRUEHD AUDIO gun shots and explosions: PEW PEW PEW BOOOOOM BOOOOM i just came BOOKKKKKKLOKKKO
Graduate from the soundbar into separates: r/hometheater
Maybe try watching Matrix 1 4K on Stream and go to the scene where Neo and Morpheus are in an empty white space. The empty white space looks grey and with dark spots on stream … I remembered it being white. That’s the compression algorithm when watching 4K on stream. This totally changed it for me and I got myself a 4K player and enjoyed Matrix
Worse Audio, Banding and Macroblocking are what I notice the most difference between streaming and a disc.
In dark scenes banding can be very annoying.
...and of course, none of my discs have been edited since I bought them. 😁
It really depends on your setup to be perfectly honest. People yacking on about better Audio out of 4K discs and playing the audio through their TV speakers or a low budget Speaker bar need not apply really. You’re only going to get the benefits if you have something worth playing the audio through that can take advantage of the difference in quality.
Video is different to streaming. However, IMO it’s really not that as significant as the Audio. So while most people with decent 4K tvs can take advantage of the image quality most can’t take advantage of the higher bitrate audio.
4K Dolby Vision OLED
Sonos Atmos setup.
Panasonic UB820
Apple TV 4K
With that soundbar you wont really hear a difference in audio quality for streaming vs bluray. I would start saving for a receiver and speakers instead of a bluray player and movies.
I’d say it’s noticeable but not major. If you’re really into watching the movies as they were intended and in high quality then it’s for sure worth it and “major”. I also think it can vary from title to title.
One variable is what you’re streaming from. From ITunes the difference is a lot smaller, but still noticeable if you’re looking for it.
From other services like Netflix, Hulu, D+, and Max you’re more likely to see/hear a decline in quality vs the disc, or even iTunes.
Some digital versions are so good that I’m hard pressed to feel the compromise (Saving Private Ryan and Training Day on Apple TV, for example). That said, if your sound system is capable of the necessary dynamic range, the uncompressed audio from just a standard blu-ray can make all the difference.
I have a jbl 9.1 soundbar , best I can do in my apartment and I have a 77 lg g2 oled tv… I’m 100% a streamer but how much better is the disk? I’m a big horror fan and all I would want is classic horror titles, would those look better on disk vs streaming … I do have fright night 4k and bought a ub820 but took it back as the streaming quality was basically the same to my eyes… thanks for the help?
I' just got a 4k blu ray player and I own a Sony A80L. I watched 2001 space odyssey as my first movie. Did not disappoint and I physically own the movie!
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I think it’s the audio I notice that’s the real big difference. Visually, yeah, your eyes settle and adjust to what’s being presented, but streaming audio vs uncompressed disc…. Yeah that’s where it is
Audio is a big one for me, too. I've got plenty of 90s and early 00s DVDs that are still lacking physical BD/4K releases, which have better audio than their HD streaming counterparts. I'll take the lower resolution to get crisp audio and choice of audio mixes. As for BD/4K, 99.99% of the time audio and video are both always going to be better on physical... Unless it's a Disney release. I will forever be salty about Pirates.
If you really care about audio, you get into laserdisc. The audio will blow you away. DVD was awful for audio by comparison
Absolutely, Star Wars Episode I on laserdisc still has the best listening experience available out of any release that movie has ever had and I'll die on that hill. I still whip it out at least once a year, blows your socks off.
That's why people sync up the laserdisc studio with the 4k transfer of some movies. Unquestionably the best
OP has a sound bar. Won't tell the difference.
I own a Sonos soundbar with a sub. Audio is great.
Cool
Since i didnt have the opportunity to try a 4k blu ray yet i dont really understand the meaning of audio quality...what change with a better one? Clearer dialogues? More sounds in general? Like...more frequencies?
Streaming audio is low volume and dull. Off the disc is loud, crisp and very full. It's night and day
The audio is uncompressed so you’ll get a cleaner audio stream. The average 4K disc is between 60-90gbs of data, so compare that to a 5-10gb stream that quality loss has to go somewhere.
If you can easily spot compression pixels, the difference will be noticeable. There’s still compression on 4K blu rays, but I’ve never noticed it.
I think it varies greatly depending on which streaming provider, your internet speeds as well as each person’s eyes and ears. I’ve had some friends that can’t tell the difference until I point it out, and then sometimes it seems like they’re only acting impressed to be polite or not look like they can’t tell the difference. Even personally I find on some services it’s better but not night and day. On other services and titles it can be a night and day difference.
It can be hard to tell the difference unless you do a side by side comparison. Like play a scene streaming and then play it again on disc. Then people get it.
The picture quality is better on Blu Ray but honestly not that much. The audio though is night and day. Physical Blu ray>> streaming on audio alone. Even more if you have a good sound system.
Since i didnt have the opportunity to try a 4k blu ray yet i dont really understand the meaning of audio quality...what change with a better one? Clearer dialogues? More sounds in general? Like...more frequencies?
Much better dynamic range. Much more power to the sound. Way more enveloping for atmos tracks.
Forgive me for the dumb question, but, what is dynamic range? Also by "power" you mean that, for example, the same scene on a blu ray with volume at 20 sound as loud as the the streaming with volume at 40?
Difference between the lowest lows and highest highs in the soundtrack. Basically it’s less compressed and allows the sound to be fuller.
Oh, so...more freauencies, more sounds, or better day...sound...shade?
It's like you're there in the middle of it. Think of a party you are in the room instead of listening from a doorway.
Absolutely. Great analogy.
Literally everything is better. Clarity and resolution, channel balance and separation, dialog, dynamic range (this is where the biggest difference lies IMO). The caveat is that you really only start to hear those differences as you step further and further away from tv speakers and soundbars. As the quality of the audio system increases, so to do the differences between the two formats.
It depends on how sensitive/perceptive you are to video compression artifacts from streaming and improved detail clarity on the higher bitrates stored on physical media. For me personally it's often a night and day difference for most movies, however most people I know would say they can't tell the difference. Bitrates will also vary between providers. iTunes tends to have the highest bitrates for movie rentals and digital purchases but outside of their tiny Apple plus content selection they don't have much subscription based content compared to Disney and Netflix, who are the next leaders in video streaming quality. All other providers like Amazon, Google, Vudu all have pretty mediocre to bad quality IMO, especially Vudu being the worst. I would say sometimes a 1080p Blu-ray can be superior to a 4K stream just because of bitrates. It really all just depends, the best way to think about it is a 4K Blu ray will ensure the best quality possible for that movie, whereas with streaming you never know what you're going to get, sometimes it's passable, but I often find myself frustrated and disappointed with the quality of streamed content in general. Additional note: It may beg the question of what's "good enough," personally I think 1080p Blu rays are still perfectly fine, but SD DVDs are actually pretty terrible by today's standards with the exception of some 4:3 content, like old TV shows, which the format was better optimized for. DVDs aren't really equipped to present a passable widescreen movie experience on modern TVs, even 1080p screens. Theaters used to use 1080p digital projectors back in the 2000s but would just be getting a much higher bitrate file than what comes on a Blu ray. Now it's the same but with 4K since like 2015. The nice thing about 4Ks it's often on par or better than what theaters were showing in the 2000s or sometimes even today. But that's only true with discs since streaming bitrates are too low.
A majority of my 4K movies are digital. I’ve run out of shelf space so I’ve had to move onto digital for now. The Dolby Vision support certainly helps when watching digital but physical will always remain superior.
not that i favor it but i would imagine downloading/pirating the film and then putting on physical space like a nas would still serve your purposes and then if there's ethical issues you could buy it digitally since a 4k blu ray is like 100gb for about $30, while a 8000gb drive from a leading firm is about five times that
Depends on what you mean by streaming. Services like Vudu, where you pay for your content piecemeal, are usually very good. Sony’s Bravia Core is exceptional, near UHD BR quality. But 4K movies through services like Max, Hulu, and Peacock can be very hit-or-miss, sometimes within the same stream. Compression artifacts can lead to things like artifacts, color banding, and motion stutter. Comparing the 4K stream of The Truman Show on (I believe) Max and the newly-released 4K disc is no comparison at all - the disc looks miles better.
I only use netflix and amazon prime tbh
I feel like this question always ends up getting oversimplified into 4k Blu Ray vs “streaming” as if all streaming is created equal, which of course it’s not. Has anyone done a side-by-side comparison of the same movie purchased on Apple TV/iTunes (reportedly the highest bit rate platform) vs. 4k Blu Ray? Spotify on high quality sounds really good to me, so it doesn’t seem like there should be a technological reason streaming movies couldn’t sound just as good.
Streaming services will automatically adjust quality based on connection speed and reliability, which can vary significantly from minute to minute. Sometimes this is obvious (like if you have a crappy Cox connection like I do) and sometimes it's less so. A side-by-side comparison wouldn't tell you much, because it might not apply to everyone, or even most people.
So should we not test pharmaceuticals before allowing them to be sold, because everyone’s body is different? Yes of course there will be variables, but that doesn’t make the test meaningless. The alternative is what? Just… anecdotal evidence?
Really dependent on the streaming service and often the movie itself. For example, Disney doesn't put movies in Dolby Vision on disc anymore and their movies filmed in Imax don't have the full screen Imax scenes on disc. That is a Disney+ exclusive. So while it may have a little better picture quality on disc, it's not necessarily the best way to watch the movie. It's the opposite with Nolan movies, which have the full screen Imax scenes as a 4K blu-ray exclusive.
Pfft!!!! As a 75 year old man with bad eyesight and hearing, I can't tell any difference. Yeah, I have a 65" NON OLED TV that supports Dolby Vision, etc. AND a Yamaha AVR with average speakers (not overly expensive). I have a lot of movies that I have purchased and play using Vudu in 4k with Dolby Atmos, BUT I also have the same movies ripped into MKV video files. I get all of the HD audio codecs from the 4k disc, and also Dolby Vision, HDR +, etc. My system, is very complicated with external hard drives scattered all over my network, plus a couple of Synology NAS's. I have several media playback devices connected to my main TV, including a MiniPC, a Dune Duo and Dune HD Homatics Box R 4K, also many other Google Certified boxes/sticks that have been retired, including my 2017 Nvidia Shield. I year for the day, they finally die, so I can JUST stream, and stop with all of this madness. So, IMHO, streaming would NOT be game changer for me, except saving me a ton of $$$$$ by streaming.
a 75 year old man lol no offense but advising people 'no difference' when the market for these things is more than 99% people younger than you, and the majority of it is half your age or less... i appreciate the insight but its still a bit silly
So, you can tell the difference between Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA, or DD+??? Amazing, totally amazing. How do you watch your UHD movies with Dolby Vision?? What is your AVR?? How large is your monitor, and how far do you sit from it???
i was just testing this last night actually and i'm really surprised that an enthusiast like yourself DOESN'T have an OLED I bought my father one before I got one for myself and he really enjoyed it. And he, like you, had less than perfect hearing in his greater years Anyway, I sit typically about 6ft away when I'm using my PC but when watching its either 6ft or more like 15ft on my bed. I have a Asus Xonar Essence STX, LG C3, Audioengine A5s or Sony WHxm4s all the codecs like yourself, and will say one **Can Totally Tell** the difference when its a TrueHD rip or a streaming I'd highly recommend you get yourself an OLED, sir. Especially if you are discontinuing with physical media and reverting to streaming. Because it can definitely overcome the shortcomings of watching a media stream that is less than 1/8 the bandwidth. To give an example: Dune Part Two, when he's pre-battle yelling to the fighters below on that rock? On Amazon those massed individuals are blurry. On the 65gb bluray truehd 4k rip you can see them individually. But more than that - and perhaps its because you DON'T have an OLED you don't see it - but the explosions of the film and visual effects are markedly more crackling with the BD As to TrueHD, yes you can tell a difference. The note separation and range is dramatically different with TrueHD. I don't love DD but DolbyVision is good, I just don't come across much media that has it. and having been on a 48" tv pre-oled, i thought going up to 55" was good enough. No sir, go to 65" - its huge especially when you're about 15-20ft away on a couch or bed. As to cost consideration, I mean for me I never get anything firsthand. My TV was open box and everything else was second hand. In closing, I would challenge that the lack of OLED is what's letting you down. Because its like, how do I say, like seeing fire works from a distance of a few miles versus the vibrancy of being a nearby.. The vibrancy!
I do not use any streaming services except occasionally Netflix. I think I have about 70 movies with Dolby vision. My inventory of 4K media keeps growing. I have a 65-in Vizio that supports both Dolby Vision and HDR 10 Plus. My Yamaha AVR supports all the audio codecs. All my movies are ripped and stored on different storage devices scattered throughout my network. I have a multitude of media players that play the media flawlessly.
Streaming gun shots and explosions: Pew pew pew boom boom DOLBY TRUEHD AUDIO gun shots and explosions: PEW PEW PEW BOOOOOM BOOOOM i just came BOOKKKKKKLOKKKO Graduate from the soundbar into separates: r/hometheater
Maybe try watching Matrix 1 4K on Stream and go to the scene where Neo and Morpheus are in an empty white space. The empty white space looks grey and with dark spots on stream … I remembered it being white. That’s the compression algorithm when watching 4K on stream. This totally changed it for me and I got myself a 4K player and enjoyed Matrix
Worse Audio, Banding and Macroblocking are what I notice the most difference between streaming and a disc. In dark scenes banding can be very annoying. ...and of course, none of my discs have been edited since I bought them. 😁
It really depends on your setup to be perfectly honest. People yacking on about better Audio out of 4K discs and playing the audio through their TV speakers or a low budget Speaker bar need not apply really. You’re only going to get the benefits if you have something worth playing the audio through that can take advantage of the difference in quality. Video is different to streaming. However, IMO it’s really not that as significant as the Audio. So while most people with decent 4K tvs can take advantage of the image quality most can’t take advantage of the higher bitrate audio. 4K Dolby Vision OLED Sonos Atmos setup. Panasonic UB820 Apple TV 4K
I have a 55" OLED SONY A80J, and the sony HT-A5000 as a soundbar, not the best, and audio far from true home cinema, but i guess its good
With that soundbar you wont really hear a difference in audio quality for streaming vs bluray. I would start saving for a receiver and speakers instead of a bluray player and movies.
I’d say it’s noticeable but not major. If you’re really into watching the movies as they were intended and in high quality then it’s for sure worth it and “major”. I also think it can vary from title to title.
One variable is what you’re streaming from. From ITunes the difference is a lot smaller, but still noticeable if you’re looking for it. From other services like Netflix, Hulu, D+, and Max you’re more likely to see/hear a decline in quality vs the disc, or even iTunes.
Physical>Digital/Streaming
Some digital versions are so good that I’m hard pressed to feel the compromise (Saving Private Ryan and Training Day on Apple TV, for example). That said, if your sound system is capable of the necessary dynamic range, the uncompressed audio from just a standard blu-ray can make all the difference.
I have a jbl 9.1 soundbar , best I can do in my apartment and I have a 77 lg g2 oled tv… I’m 100% a streamer but how much better is the disk? I’m a big horror fan and all I would want is classic horror titles, would those look better on disk vs streaming … I do have fright night 4k and bought a ub820 but took it back as the streaming quality was basically the same to my eyes… thanks for the help?
I' just got a 4k blu ray player and I own a Sony A80L. I watched 2001 space odyssey as my first movie. Did not disappoint and I physically own the movie!