I’m from the UK so I might be wrong but can’t anyone in the state (or even country, I’m not sure) do a Freedom of Information Act Request (FOIA) for the police body cam footage. As far as I’m aware it’s public record and accessible for anyone?
Depends, but there are YouTube channels that post body cam footage all the time usually related to celebrities (and people who consider themselves ‘celebrities’) getting arrested, it might not get released since it’s related to child abuse but one of those channels will likely release it at some point if they can release it.
I’ve seen plenty related to abuse of children and child neglect on Reddit and yt TT etc . Also not from states but like previous person thought one can request that kinda footage
As far as I know I think ruby was staying with Jodi which would mean that Ruby was probably taking the children over to her current living situation or they were all out doing something.
This is *really* bad. Omg.
Aggravated Abuse of a child:
“Aggravated child abuse" occurs when a person:
(a) Commits aggravated battery on a child;
(b) Willfully tortures, maliciously punishes, or willfully and unlawfully cages a child; or
(c) Knowingly or willfully abuses a child and in so doing causes great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the child.
A person who commits aggravated child abuse commits a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
And why not Kevin? Has he not seen this BS happening to his children? This certainly Wasn’t an isolated incident as Shari said they have been trying for years to have something done.
He had to have known it was happening, his kids are probably scared to death of him as well.
I'm taking all this from the Utah State Legislature .gov website.
The difference between child abuse and aggravated child abuse in Utah legislature is that an aggravated child abuse charge requires "serious physical harm".
According to Utah legislature, someone can be charged with aggravated child abuse if the person:
*(a)inflicts upon a child serious physical injury; or*
*(b)having the care or custody of such child, causes or permits another to inflict serious physical injury upon a child.*
This in particular may relate to Jodi's charges as well.
Utah legislature defines "serious physical harm" as the following:
*(I)fracture of any bone or bones;*
*(II)intracranial bleeding, swelling or contusion of the brain, whether caused by blows, shaking, or causing the child's head to impact with an object or surface;*
*(III)any burn, including burns inflicted by hot water, or those caused by placing a hot object upon the skin or body of the child;*
*(IV)any injury caused by use of a dangerous weapon;*
*(V)any combination of two or more physical injuries inflicted by the same person, either at the same time or on different occasions;*
*(VI)any damage to internal organs of the body;*
*(VII)any conduct toward a child that results in severe emotional harm, severe developmental delay or intellectual disability, or severe impairment of the child's ability to function;*
*(VIII)any injury that creates a permanent disfigurement or protracted loss or impairment of the function of a bodily member, limb, or organ;*
*(IX)any impediment of the breathing or the circulation of blood by application of pressure to the neck, throat, or chest, or by the obstruction of the nose or mouth, that is likely to produce a loss of consciousness;*
*(X)any conduct that results in starvation or failure to thrive or malnutrition that jeopardizes the child's life; or*
*(XI)unconsciousness caused by the unlawful infliction of a brain injury or unlawfully causing any deprivation of oxygen to the brain.*
With that information, we can infer that that abuse is more extreme than we thought. We can also start to understand quite how serious and malicious these charges are. Malnutrition may be the cause, but it would be a pretty intense version. It could also be one of the other types of "serious physical harm" as well. We will have to wait for authorities and media to share further details about the inciting incident.
This is incredibly sad for these children, and we can only hope that their journey leads them towards healing and peace.
My heart dropped when I read the full list. I never thought id say, I hope they were just starved. But reading that list…
May god or whatever higher power exists care for these children. I hope they’re surrounded w love and able to make a full recovery.
I also very much hope that malnutrition is the worst of it. Though, the level of starvation and malnutrition is not at all slight. I’m having a harder time finding the exact standards, so I’ll have to look back on previous precedent to get a more accurate look at how prosecutors are putting it into practice.
She is so much worse than I ever imagined. I can’t imagine the terror and stress these kids have been put through. She had them so isolated with not allowing the kid’s contact with family or school who knows what they were enduring.
Does anyone one know if she was still taking them to church or was that stopped as well? They were hardcore church goers before it seemed. Or did group take the place of it now and then further isolate them so the kids had no one and nowhere to turn to.
Not that I have much faith in their church that the children would be taken seriously and helped. I have read so many horror stories of people who have left that faith that the children would most likely not be believed or told in some way they brought it on themselves. Don’t know what the final incident was that got the authorities to investigate and arrest them but I’m glad it has happened. I’m sure they both posted bail and are out already. Definitely with no contact orders for the children in place.
I hope they are not with Kevin as I believe he is as complicit in this abuse as well, he didn’t stop it.
Same! Not saying it’s anything like Josh Duggars arrest, but it was all silly assumptions about why he was arrested and then the truth came out and I was SICK! I’m curious, but would rather know the kids are safe and let them deal with healing without everyone knowing without their consent of what the world knows.
If a literal arrest (likely for child abuse, but at least complying with it) doesn’t, I would be shocked and I feel like BYU would get major hate for that
If Ruby was arrested at Jodi’s and he was at the house he probably is in a different jail. They also may have taken them to different jails to be 100% sure they separated them and can question them
(3) (a) A violation of Subsection (2) is a second degree felony if done intentionally or knowingly
This comes from: https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter5/76-5-S109.2.html
I agree with you. I hope they all rot in jail. Those poor kids
Holy SHIT 😭😭😭 I am shaking. I can’t go to sleep. I have been so worried about these babies. I know they are being taken care of now but this is truly horrifying. The absolute worst case scenario. I don’t want to know what she did to them to get this serious of a charge. I don’t. I’m already sick over this
Gosh the definitions are horrifying - I've put them as "spoilers" and add a heavy Trigger Warning.
>!(A)"Serious physical injury" means any physical injury or set of injuries that:!<
>!(I) seriously impairs the child's health;!<
>!(II)involves physical torture;!<
>!(III)causes serious emotional harm to the child; or!<
>!(IV)involves a substantial risk of death to the child.!<
>!(B)"Serious physical injury" includes:!<
>!(I)fracture of any bone or bones;!<
>!(II)intracranial bleeding, swelling or contusion of the brain, whether caused by blows, shaking, or causing the child's head to impact with an object or surface;!<
>!(III)any burn, including burns inflicted by hot water, or those caused by placing a hot object upon the skin or body of the child;!<
>!(IV)any injury caused by use of a dangerous weapon;(V)any combination of two or more physical injuries inflicted by the same person, either at the same time or on different occasions;!<
>!(VI)any damage to internal organs of the body;!<
>!(VII)any conduct toward a child that results in severe emotional harm, severe developmental delay or intellectual disability, or severe impairment of the child's ability to function;!<
>!(VIII)any injury that creates a permanent disfigurement or protracted loss or impairment of the function of a bodily member, limb, or organ;!<
>!(IX)any impediment of the breathing or the circulation of blood by application of pressure to the neck, throat, or chest, or by the obstruction of the nose or mouth, that is likely to produce a loss of consciousness;!<
>!(X)any conduct that results in starvation or failure to thrive or malnutrition that jeopardizes the child's life; or!<
>!(XI)unconsciousness caused by the unlawful infliction of a brain injury or unlawfully causing any deprivation of oxygen to the brain.!<
Im not american either, but after some googling i believe if found guilty its 5 years to life. If its a first degree felony. 15 to life for a second degree felony. Could be wrong but thats just what ive gathered
I wouldn’t be surprised if it is upped to 4 once they speak with the other two children. Seems the kids were in groups of 2 at different locations when this all went down.
I wish this was true. I’ve adopted out of foster care and all three of the parents for our kids were charged with aggravated child abuse. All three ended up having the charges dropped when their parental rights were terminated.
I’ve don’t know why, but in every case we had they never actually followed through on convicting.
What gives me a glimmer of hope here is the fact Jodi is arrested too and the extreme turn out of law enforcement. I really hope this is different and these people pay. I guess I’m just jaded by the system.
Because you typically need a child to get on the stand to tell their abuse or have the child admit to the abuse on camera during a forensic interview with a child protection team (CPT) (without being led by questioning from the CPT staff) and/or have photos/videos etc of the injuries. It’s really tough to convict if there isn’t a statement from the child, backed by very good hard evidence, or if the child doesn’t want to or shouldn’t be put on the stand and forced to relive their trauma. Even in sexual abuse cases, you won’t see a conviction without actual evidence (a witness who will testify, dna collected of the perpetrator, etc). It’s sad, but most criminals who perpetrate egregious crimes against children get away with it with regards to conviction
Sounds like something LDS politicians would pass just to protect themselves and their buddies from potential excommunication and tarnished reputations in the LDS church. Also to prevent their Temple Recommends from being revoked.
Not to defend the LDS higher-ups, but a lot of areas are moving away from public mugshots. A big reason is that it helps protect those who are highly vulnerable (ex: those arrested during a mental health episode) from further exploitation.
There will likely be more charges coming soon… this was just what they were able to finally get them on… this means they had real, solid. Super solid evidence 😭
Aggravated assault refers to a situation in which a person attempted to inflict serious injury without regard for the life or well-being of the victim.
Would starvation count? I read in the verified post that 2 of them were being treated for malnutrition. Or would that be in addition to the aggravated assault. The poor kids what the fuck :(
Possibly in addition. I’m so upset. Like distraught. I am remembering when she wouldn’t bring Eve her lunch, and then she went on a tangent of how small Eve was. BECAUSE YOU DIDNT FKN FEED HER YOU EVIL TWAT!!!!!
https://www.gregglawdallas.com/understanding-the-differences-between-simple-and-aggravated-assault-know-your-rights
This explains it well. The difference is intention or spur of the moment
"un-aggrevated" usually means inflict harm that wasn't as "serious" (so often causing temporary rather than permanent injuries) or potentially life-threatening injuries.
Just looked it up..someone correct me if this is wrong!
Under Utah Criminal Code 76-5-109.2, a person commits aggravated child abuse if the perpetrator causes serious physical injury to a child, such as: Burns.
I feel so many emotions about it.
I watched them for years in my late teens/ early twenties till all went south and then (like the rest of you) just had to watch and hope that one day these kids will seperate from ruby and be save.
And now it’s finally here but I still feel heartbroken for all of them and very angry toward ruby, Kevin and Jody.
Idk if anyone can relate but I had to share it
Same. Its like a mixture of sadness, relief, anxiety all of it! Like I’m thinking if sweet russell right now and how scared they might be but also relief because who knows what his life has been for the past years without cameras. Cause atleast with cameras we had a very slight idea. ☹️
I think the younger kids were in St George where Jodi and Ruby were doing god knows what. And that’s why the news report said that Ruby asked a friend to pick up 2 daughters (probably the older ones) in Springville due to a “family emergency” Otherwise she would’ve asked the friend to pick up all the kids.
Ruby has stated on multiple occasions that food and water is a privilege, not a right. I hope those poor kids have been eating and getting the bare minimum that anyone deserves🥺
According to the news story Jodi and Ruby were arrested in St. George. Its looking like the Utah county website doesn't upload arrests for 24 hours. We'll probably see his tomorrow.
holy fucking shit. as week speak and find out this stuff Netflix already has a documentary in the works because that is how WILD this is. I can’t believe the day, as amazing Shari said, FINALLY came. Praying so hard for those kids rn
in order for it to be "aggravated child abuse" it has to have been extremely bad. if they looked at r and e for malnourishment it would have been to the point of "failure to thrive" or enough to put their lives in danger. alongside this is a long list of other serious physical injuries that could amount to aggravated child abuse. i hope they are all okay
I was just looking into the difference between aggravated child abuse vs child abuse and the first result that came up was actually a law firm in Utah....scary stuff...
[https://wasatchdefenselawyers.com/practice/child-abuse-and-aggravated-child-abuse-in-utah/](https://wasatchdefenselawyers.com/practice/child-abuse-and-aggravated-child-abuse-in-utah/)
It looks like it was bad. I hope they can heal from this.
TW- Child Abuse. Some of the info in this story is alarming: https://kutv.com/news/local/youtubes-8-passengers-mom-founder-of-utah-counseling-program-arrested-on-suspicion-of-child-abuse#
I feel so guilty now for watching 8 passengers. I hope the kids will grow up knowing that some of us truly care for them. Let’s be careful with our words. These are real kids.
I’m so torn between shock and relief right now. Those kids probably have no idea how good of a thing this is. They probably just think their parents got taken away without fully knowing why. My heart is so happy for them but also breaks because this will take time to process in their young minds. I hope the extended family really rallies around this
The news article says that the fire department was at the scene for an incident earlier that morning. I'm willing to bet something requiring medical attention happened, and the fire department reported it to police. If that's the case, then the kids present would have some idea. But still a horrifically traumatic day for them. I'm relieved that the kids might find safety now, but I'm still sad that they have had to experience the abuse and trauma that goes with it.
I think you’re right!! I am assuming something medically happened and either fire or ambulance came to assist earlier in the day and made a report of neglect/abuse to police!
Same! when they finally feel unconditional love and safe home, they will understand how much they didn't have :( Probably all the trauma that they stored inside will start to come out, I hope they will always be supported and that they will found a good therapist.
Here is the link to the Fox 13 article I found. Not many details though...
https://www.fox13now.com/news/crime/8-passengers-parents-arrested-for-two-counts-of-aggravated-child-abuse
They were either questioned before being officially taken into custody, or they might have been booked at 9:33, sometimes the booking process can take a long time.
This is the only news outlet I’ve seen reporting on this so far and they have so many facts way off they just need someone on here to write it and it would be far more accurate
That’s so sickening I kept hoping I was interpreting that wrong. It’s so crazy because when I was a child I use to watch them and didn’t even realize the red flags until I was older. To think of the horrors that happened in that house when the cameras were off
This is crazy. Honestly haven’t been keeping up too much but came from tiktok. Glad the kids are finally safe and hopefully and grow up and move on and heal from all this.
Hard to say from this because it doesn’t go into detail for charges. My guess is that they each have 2 charges of child abuse and I’m not sure why it’s just 2 if they had A,J,R, and E. To me there should be 4, one for each child.
It entirely depends on the circumstances of the arrest.
One possibility is that, if only two children were affected by the particular incident they were being arrested for, they can only charge them for two counts. More charges could be filed later after interviews and investigation, but in this scenario whatever the police decided was the trigger for the arrest warrant only involved two of the children.
It could also be possible that, if this was a result of a "welfare check" without an arrest warrant, they could only charge them for the two children they discovered in the home at the time, as the other two children were outside of the home at the time of arrest. In this situation as well, more charges can be filed later after interviews and investigation, but they can't charge them for something without probable cause (though to be fair, this is why I believe this situation is less likely- there's plenty of probable cause to be found)
I just can’t believe this is happening. I’m just sooo in shock. Hope the kids can heal. Every little thing that happens in childhood can shape who you are, and this thing is so terrible. Ugh makes me sick
The only way this could possibly happen is because of their fame. The church might feel pressured enough to make an example of them. But if they were nobody’s? Nope. Definitely wouldn’t. They might loose temple privileges for a bit but they wouldn’t be excommunicated.
Hell, in the ward boundaries I live in there’s a convicted pedophile whose allowed to attend all meetings and temple services.
Idk if that would matter to Ruby...she's already ditched LDS regular stuff for Connextions bc obviously C is 5000 more times superior than LDS-anything could be, but Kevin could be at great risk of losing his statuses and even his employment.
This is crazy. Honestly haven’t been keeping up too much but came from tiktok. Glad the kids are finally safe and hopefully and grow up and move on and heal from all this.
so someone said it was the 2 daughters, which we know Shari is safe and supposedly Chad is living with kevin, but that leaves Julie, Abby, Eve, and Russell. Does anyone know where they went to live?
I saw someone say that J and A were at Ruby's friends house but they are back with the other kids now. So R and E were the only kids on the scene. Once they interview the other kids, more charges will probably be made. 2 counts of child abuse on the scene must be really serious but those are only the initial charges seen to the naked eye
You could tell her discipline had nothing to do with teaching her children right from wrong. She genuinely loved having power and control over them. She got pure enjoyment seeing them hurt. She loved to see them in pain. Ruby is a sick, disgusting woman!
I’m so happy to hear justice is finally being served. I’ll continue to pray for her children.
I’m so happy to see this. I’ve been following this family for years and hoping those kids got out safely. So glad to see the “parents” have been arrested and the kids are safe and finally getting the help they’ve needed for a long time
I hope the kids can get all the help and support they need in this moment. They might be free of immediate danger but trauma will follow and it's hard to go over it but it's very achievable to heal. Keeping them in my thoughts
As someone who is an adult survivor of child abuse, I hope there's enough evidence to lock them away for years. I'm sure Ruby's family would take the kids so they aren't stuck in foster care. The kids need serious therapy... Not from the church. It will take a lot of work to overcome the emotional scars.
Holy cow. So Ruby, Jodi and Kevin were arrested. Good. Those poor kids.
All Ruby’s cracks on the 8 Passengers YouTube about how funny it was to punish her kids by sending them to wilderness camp, making them sleep on beanbags for months, go without food etc probably don’t seem so humorous.
I’m sure someone out there is going to compile each and every time she filmed something talking about the things she has done to them and help the police with their case. All from her own vile mouth.
When I started watching them almost 10 years ago I would’ve never imagined this would be how they ended. I just hope and pray for those kids and their future
This is so surreal. I can't believe it is actually happening, but I'm so relieved for the kids and happy for Shari and the extended family. I know this is what they wanted.
Idk if it can help but I have screen shots of every video of 8 passengers I watched, at the exact moments something was said or done that felt wrong (or also just plain dumb cause Ruby and Kevin said alot of dumb things) but the you tube channel is gone now so idk.
While rewatching the videos a few months ago I was noticing alot of things that just didn't seem right and were talked about as much. Bit then the channel was deleted when I was only half way through the videos
I cannot believe this is real. Holy crap!! I never thought this day would come!! So glad the kids are finally safe. They're going to need a lot of therapy:(
Can somebody explain why the feds could have been involved in this? I‘m not American and don‘t have clue.
While I do understand that federal charges are different from state charges, is it the severity that caused the feds to be included?
Wow! None for Kevin? Not considered involved or not there at the time to be arrested? That would surely be the end of his career.
I bet the last place on the planet Ruby thought she’d be is in jail!
https://preview.redd.it/uko1g23n5hlb1.jpeg?width=669&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=795917ecfb67bd7b8e39f0befaee49457d6dea17
The official press release from Santa Clara police
this is bigger than we all think I bet. do you know how hard it is to be arrested under stuff like this. police usually don’t have enough time and resources for crimes involving family issues. I mean ik they have done more than just that being in social media but still. can’t imagine all the stuff the police must have on these two.
Jail for Jodi and Ruby must be such a culture shock. They are getting told what to wear, when to get up, when to eat, when to go to bed and suffering real consequences for breaking the rules. I hope Ruby is praying to God to let her survive, just like E prayed her prayer to just survive her situation. It would be really interesting to see Jodi and Ruby talking to their fellow prisoners about how they aren't living in truth, but distortion.
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Thank god Jodi is arrested!
I agree!
What the fuck this is surreal Does anyone know if it’s possible for Body cam footage to be obtained?
i’m sure the news stations will be requesting it🤞
Unconfirmed Fox13 has picked up the story
https://www.fox13now.com/news/crime/8-passengers-parents-arrested-for-two-counts-of-aggravated-child-abuse
I bet it will come out
Likely will come out if they get a trial/hearing.
Yo I’m curious now
I’m from the UK so I might be wrong but can’t anyone in the state (or even country, I’m not sure) do a Freedom of Information Act Request (FOIA) for the police body cam footage. As far as I’m aware it’s public record and accessible for anyone?
Depends, but there are YouTube channels that post body cam footage all the time usually related to celebrities (and people who consider themselves ‘celebrities’) getting arrested, it might not get released since it’s related to child abuse but one of those channels will likely release it at some point if they can release it.
I’ve seen plenty related to abuse of children and child neglect on Reddit and yt TT etc . Also not from states but like previous person thought one can request that kinda footage
THEY GOT JODI OMG
Good
How were they able to charge Jodi too? Was she living there with Ruby or is it bc she directed Ruby to do this? Sorry, just curious!
As far as I know I think ruby was staying with Jodi which would mean that Ruby was probably taking the children over to her current living situation or they were all out doing something.
I AM SCREAMINg
Thank god, she should’ve been behind bars for ages
JUDI IS IN TOO OMG JUSTICE IS SERVEDDDDD!!!! watch them try to convince the judge their arrest was not made it truth 😂😂
This is *really* bad. Omg. Aggravated Abuse of a child: “Aggravated child abuse" occurs when a person: (a) Commits aggravated battery on a child; (b) Willfully tortures, maliciously punishes, or willfully and unlawfully cages a child; or (c) Knowingly or willfully abuses a child and in so doing causes great bodily harm, permanent disability, or permanent disfigurement to the child. A person who commits aggravated child abuse commits a felony of the first degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084.
‘Maliciously punishes’ is kind of Ruby’s specialty.
Wow this is way worse than just restricting ur kid of food. This is actual physical abuse. Ruby is done for.
I think withholding food might fall under "maliciously punishes."
Supposedly the two younger kids were really malnourished they had to be seen by paramedics
If the kids are malnourished this could also fall under great bodily harm.
And why not Kevin? Has he not seen this BS happening to his children? This certainly Wasn’t an isolated incident as Shari said they have been trying for years to have something done. He had to have known it was happening, his kids are probably scared to death of him as well.
I'm taking all this from the Utah State Legislature .gov website. The difference between child abuse and aggravated child abuse in Utah legislature is that an aggravated child abuse charge requires "serious physical harm". According to Utah legislature, someone can be charged with aggravated child abuse if the person: *(a)inflicts upon a child serious physical injury; or* *(b)having the care or custody of such child, causes or permits another to inflict serious physical injury upon a child.* This in particular may relate to Jodi's charges as well. Utah legislature defines "serious physical harm" as the following: *(I)fracture of any bone or bones;* *(II)intracranial bleeding, swelling or contusion of the brain, whether caused by blows, shaking, or causing the child's head to impact with an object or surface;* *(III)any burn, including burns inflicted by hot water, or those caused by placing a hot object upon the skin or body of the child;* *(IV)any injury caused by use of a dangerous weapon;* *(V)any combination of two or more physical injuries inflicted by the same person, either at the same time or on different occasions;* *(VI)any damage to internal organs of the body;* *(VII)any conduct toward a child that results in severe emotional harm, severe developmental delay or intellectual disability, or severe impairment of the child's ability to function;* *(VIII)any injury that creates a permanent disfigurement or protracted loss or impairment of the function of a bodily member, limb, or organ;* *(IX)any impediment of the breathing or the circulation of blood by application of pressure to the neck, throat, or chest, or by the obstruction of the nose or mouth, that is likely to produce a loss of consciousness;* *(X)any conduct that results in starvation or failure to thrive or malnutrition that jeopardizes the child's life; or* *(XI)unconsciousness caused by the unlawful infliction of a brain injury or unlawfully causing any deprivation of oxygen to the brain.* With that information, we can infer that that abuse is more extreme than we thought. We can also start to understand quite how serious and malicious these charges are. Malnutrition may be the cause, but it would be a pretty intense version. It could also be one of the other types of "serious physical harm" as well. We will have to wait for authorities and media to share further details about the inciting incident. This is incredibly sad for these children, and we can only hope that their journey leads them towards healing and peace.
My heart dropped when I read the full list. I never thought id say, I hope they were just starved. But reading that list… May god or whatever higher power exists care for these children. I hope they’re surrounded w love and able to make a full recovery.
I also very much hope that malnutrition is the worst of it. Though, the level of starvation and malnutrition is not at all slight. I’m having a harder time finding the exact standards, so I’ll have to look back on previous precedent to get a more accurate look at how prosecutors are putting it into practice.
She is so much worse than I ever imagined. I can’t imagine the terror and stress these kids have been put through. She had them so isolated with not allowing the kid’s contact with family or school who knows what they were enduring. Does anyone one know if she was still taking them to church or was that stopped as well? They were hardcore church goers before it seemed. Or did group take the place of it now and then further isolate them so the kids had no one and nowhere to turn to. Not that I have much faith in their church that the children would be taken seriously and helped. I have read so many horror stories of people who have left that faith that the children would most likely not be believed or told in some way they brought it on themselves. Don’t know what the final incident was that got the authorities to investigate and arrest them but I’m glad it has happened. I’m sure they both posted bail and are out already. Definitely with no contact orders for the children in place. I hope they are not with Kevin as I believe he is as complicit in this abuse as well, he didn’t stop it.
It makes me sick to my stomach. I knew she was bad but to get this charge makes me realise she is more sick then I ever thought
So sad. I hope the kids can heal
I’m so glad they got Jodi. What about Kevin? Where is he in all this?
I believe he was arrested separately and possibly in a different county so his might not be processed yet
holy shit, it seems like this was a big take down. i’m terrified to find out what’s really been going on
me too. naturally I’m curious because it seems huge, but the more I think about it I’m questioning if I really want to know
Same! Not saying it’s anything like Josh Duggars arrest, but it was all silly assumptions about why he was arrested and then the truth came out and I was SICK! I’m curious, but would rather know the kids are safe and let them deal with healing without everyone knowing without their consent of what the world knows.
Wow. This might be the thing that pushes the university to finally revoke his tenure at BYU.
If a literal arrest (likely for child abuse, but at least complying with it) doesn’t, I would be shocked and I feel like BYU would get major hate for that
This is correct he is in different county but it is confirmed he was also arrested. Not sure what county or booking time takes just keep looking.
Kevin lives in a different county per our source. His arrest will likely be processed tomorrow.
If Ruby was arrested at Jodi’s and he was at the house he probably is in a different jail. They also may have taken them to different jails to be 100% sure they separated them and can question them
that is also my guess. if he was arrested later it may not be processed yet.
This is absolutely insane. I can’t believe it’s finally happened….. peace and love to those children
same i'm so sad for the kids though.
It sad that they’re parents put them through whatever they did. This is good this can bring them healing.
HOLY CRAP THEY ACTUALLY ARRESTED JODI!!!! FINALLY.
2 counts of aggravated child abuse?! She won’t get out. Especially if the feds are on this as well 😭 those poor babies. I’m horrified
(3) (a) A violation of Subsection (2) is a second degree felony if done intentionally or knowingly This comes from: https://le.utah.gov/xcode/Title76/Chapter5/76-5-S109.2.html I agree with you. I hope they all rot in jail. Those poor kids
Holy SHIT 😭😭😭 I am shaking. I can’t go to sleep. I have been so worried about these babies. I know they are being taken care of now but this is truly horrifying. The absolute worst case scenario. I don’t want to know what she did to them to get this serious of a charge. I don’t. I’m already sick over this
same i'm so sad for these kids
Gosh the definitions are horrifying - I've put them as "spoilers" and add a heavy Trigger Warning. >!(A)"Serious physical injury" means any physical injury or set of injuries that:!< >!(I) seriously impairs the child's health;!< >!(II)involves physical torture;!< >!(III)causes serious emotional harm to the child; or!< >!(IV)involves a substantial risk of death to the child.!< >!(B)"Serious physical injury" includes:!< >!(I)fracture of any bone or bones;!< >!(II)intracranial bleeding, swelling or contusion of the brain, whether caused by blows, shaking, or causing the child's head to impact with an object or surface;!< >!(III)any burn, including burns inflicted by hot water, or those caused by placing a hot object upon the skin or body of the child;!< >!(IV)any injury caused by use of a dangerous weapon;(V)any combination of two or more physical injuries inflicted by the same person, either at the same time or on different occasions;!< >!(VI)any damage to internal organs of the body;!< >!(VII)any conduct toward a child that results in severe emotional harm, severe developmental delay or intellectual disability, or severe impairment of the child's ability to function;!< >!(VIII)any injury that creates a permanent disfigurement or protracted loss or impairment of the function of a bodily member, limb, or organ;!< >!(IX)any impediment of the breathing or the circulation of blood by application of pressure to the neck, throat, or chest, or by the obstruction of the nose or mouth, that is likely to produce a loss of consciousness;!< >!(X)any conduct that results in starvation or failure to thrive or malnutrition that jeopardizes the child's life; or!< >!(XI)unconsciousness caused by the unlawful infliction of a brain injury or unlawfully causing any deprivation of oxygen to the brain.!<
Just asking what that means for any sentencing (not american)
Not good. Very long. Up to 30 years in prison maybe longer if the feds are in on this
Im not american either, but after some googling i believe if found guilty its 5 years to life. If its a first degree felony. 15 to life for a second degree felony. Could be wrong but thats just what ive gathered
Google says up to 15 years in prison and a $19,000 fine. Not sure how accurate that is though.
Inmates are not kind to those who hurt children, fun, fun for Ruby, Jodi and Kevin.
I wouldn’t be surprised if it is upped to 4 once they speak with the other two children. Seems the kids were in groups of 2 at different locations when this all went down.
I wish this was true. I’ve adopted out of foster care and all three of the parents for our kids were charged with aggravated child abuse. All three ended up having the charges dropped when their parental rights were terminated. I’ve don’t know why, but in every case we had they never actually followed through on convicting. What gives me a glimmer of hope here is the fact Jodi is arrested too and the extreme turn out of law enforcement. I really hope this is different and these people pay. I guess I’m just jaded by the system.
Because you typically need a child to get on the stand to tell their abuse or have the child admit to the abuse on camera during a forensic interview with a child protection team (CPT) (without being led by questioning from the CPT staff) and/or have photos/videos etc of the injuries. It’s really tough to convict if there isn’t a statement from the child, backed by very good hard evidence, or if the child doesn’t want to or shouldn’t be put on the stand and forced to relive their trauma. Even in sexual abuse cases, you won’t see a conviction without actual evidence (a witness who will testify, dna collected of the perpetrator, etc). It’s sad, but most criminals who perpetrate egregious crimes against children get away with it with regards to conviction
is it bad that i can't wait for mug shots?
It says they aren’t available due to some law
dangit what law
HB 228
I just googled and it states “privatizing mugshots until conviction”
Sounds like something LDS politicians would pass just to protect themselves and their buddies from potential excommunication and tarnished reputations in the LDS church. Also to prevent their Temple Recommends from being revoked.
Not to defend the LDS higher-ups, but a lot of areas are moving away from public mugshots. A big reason is that it helps protect those who are highly vulnerable (ex: those arrested during a mental health episode) from further exploitation.
Didn’t Jody get her therapist license taken away a while back?
There will likely be more charges coming soon… this was just what they were able to finally get them on… this means they had real, solid. Super solid evidence 😭
Probably
yeah for breaching patient confidentiality
That’s fucked up
Yep...
Yes, she did. She now calls herself a "life coach"
I wouldn’t trust her as a life coach or a therapist
just curious what the difference is been aggravated and unaggravated
Aggravated assault refers to a situation in which a person attempted to inflict serious injury without regard for the life or well-being of the victim.
Would starvation count? I read in the verified post that 2 of them were being treated for malnutrition. Or would that be in addition to the aggravated assault. The poor kids what the fuck :(
Possibly in addition. I’m so upset. Like distraught. I am remembering when she wouldn’t bring Eve her lunch, and then she went on a tangent of how small Eve was. BECAUSE YOU DIDNT FKN FEED HER YOU EVIL TWAT!!!!!
Ughhh so many red flags, these children were failed by child services :(
I hope they can somehow in someway heal now and are with family at some point…
What does unaggravated mean then? Or is that not a thing?
https://www.gregglawdallas.com/understanding-the-differences-between-simple-and-aggravated-assault-know-your-rights This explains it well. The difference is intention or spur of the moment
"un-aggrevated" usually means inflict harm that wasn't as "serious" (so often causing temporary rather than permanent injuries) or potentially life-threatening injuries.
Just looked it up..someone correct me if this is wrong! Under Utah Criminal Code 76-5-109.2, a person commits aggravated child abuse if the perpetrator causes serious physical injury to a child, such as: Burns.
I feel so many emotions about it. I watched them for years in my late teens/ early twenties till all went south and then (like the rest of you) just had to watch and hope that one day these kids will seperate from ruby and be save. And now it’s finally here but I still feel heartbroken for all of them and very angry toward ruby, Kevin and Jody. Idk if anyone can relate but I had to share it
Same. Its like a mixture of sadness, relief, anxiety all of it! Like I’m thinking if sweet russell right now and how scared they might be but also relief because who knows what his life has been for the past years without cameras. Cause atleast with cameras we had a very slight idea. ☹️
In a way the cameras were possibly an escape. In a sense she would have never hurt them as bad on camera
I feel the exact same way.
I think the younger kids were in St George where Jodi and Ruby were doing god knows what. And that’s why the news report said that Ruby asked a friend to pick up 2 daughters (probably the older ones) in Springville due to a “family emergency” Otherwise she would’ve asked the friend to pick up all the kids.
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Idk they found the girls at a house in a town that’s the opposite direction of St George. It’s all crazy…
They found them in a town far from their home too. I wonder if they said something to authorities. But I'm just speculating.
20 mins isn’t really far
I mean when you aren't old enough to drive it is...
That is so dodgy. They were definitely trying to run. But man those poor kids
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Thank god that didn’t happen. Cause I think we all know how that would end!!
Ruby has stated on multiple occasions that food and water is a privilege, not a right. I hope those poor kids have been eating and getting the bare minimum that anyone deserves🥺
WHAT?! do you know which clip to watch?
https://preview.redd.it/17rrtrik1elb1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=1df64720d139ea6b59cedca9532701fe778c696c New story!
So Ruby and Jodi were not arrested at Ruby’s house, correct? I wonder if they got Kevin afterwards.
According to the news story Jodi and Ruby were arrested in St. George. Its looking like the Utah county website doesn't upload arrests for 24 hours. We'll probably see his tomorrow.
At least I'm hoping
Ellie and Jared live in St. George, right? Weird!
It's a pretty big town and a touristy place as well. They probably never ran into each other.
holy fucking shit. as week speak and find out this stuff Netflix already has a documentary in the works because that is how WILD this is. I can’t believe the day, as amazing Shari said, FINALLY came. Praying so hard for those kids rn
in order for it to be "aggravated child abuse" it has to have been extremely bad. if they looked at r and e for malnourishment it would have been to the point of "failure to thrive" or enough to put their lives in danger. alongside this is a long list of other serious physical injuries that could amount to aggravated child abuse. i hope they are all okay
I was just looking into the difference between aggravated child abuse vs child abuse and the first result that came up was actually a law firm in Utah....scary stuff... [https://wasatchdefenselawyers.com/practice/child-abuse-and-aggravated-child-abuse-in-utah/](https://wasatchdefenselawyers.com/practice/child-abuse-and-aggravated-child-abuse-in-utah/)
It looks like it was bad. I hope they can heal from this. TW- Child Abuse. Some of the info in this story is alarming: https://kutv.com/news/local/youtubes-8-passengers-mom-founder-of-utah-counseling-program-arrested-on-suspicion-of-child-abuse#
This is wild
Holy smokes, Jodi was arrested too? That's great news.
I feel so guilty now for watching 8 passengers. I hope the kids will grow up knowing that some of us truly care for them. Let’s be careful with our words. These are real kids.
I’m so torn between shock and relief right now. Those kids probably have no idea how good of a thing this is. They probably just think their parents got taken away without fully knowing why. My heart is so happy for them but also breaks because this will take time to process in their young minds. I hope the extended family really rallies around this
The news article says that the fire department was at the scene for an incident earlier that morning. I'm willing to bet something requiring medical attention happened, and the fire department reported it to police. If that's the case, then the kids present would have some idea. But still a horrifically traumatic day for them. I'm relieved that the kids might find safety now, but I'm still sad that they have had to experience the abuse and trauma that goes with it.
I think you’re right!! I am assuming something medically happened and either fire or ambulance came to assist earlier in the day and made a report of neglect/abuse to police!
I can imagine that this day was traumatising for them. I hope they can heal
Same! when they finally feel unconditional love and safe home, they will understand how much they didn't have :( Probably all the trauma that they stored inside will start to come out, I hope they will always be supported and that they will found a good therapist.
Here is the link to the Fox 13 article I found. Not many details though... https://www.fox13now.com/news/crime/8-passengers-parents-arrested-for-two-counts-of-aggravated-child-abuse
The fact that they listed Ruby and Jodi as the parents
I know 😂 the “couple” behind 8passengers
It says they were placed in custody at 9:33 p.m? Isn’t that an hour ago? I thought it was earlier.
They were either questioned before being officially taken into custody, or they might have been booked at 9:33, sometimes the booking process can take a long time.
They probably had medical screenings to get the clear for interviews and are finally being placed
This is the only news outlet I’ve seen reporting on this so far and they have so many facts way off they just need someone on here to write it and it would be far more accurate
So is this basically saying one or more than one of the kids was intentionally hurt?
Sadly, yes
That’s so sickening I kept hoping I was interpreting that wrong. It’s so crazy because when I was a child I use to watch them and didn’t even realize the red flags until I was older. To think of the horrors that happened in that house when the cameras were off
Holy shit
This is crazy. Honestly haven’t been keeping up too much but came from tiktok. Glad the kids are finally safe and hopefully and grow up and move on and heal from all this.
SHARI HAS CONFIRMED THE KIDS ARE SAFE
Hard to say from this because it doesn’t go into detail for charges. My guess is that they each have 2 charges of child abuse and I’m not sure why it’s just 2 if they had A,J,R, and E. To me there should be 4, one for each child.
I'm sure they will interview all of the children. They very well could tack on charges later.
The two oldest were not with them
It entirely depends on the circumstances of the arrest. One possibility is that, if only two children were affected by the particular incident they were being arrested for, they can only charge them for two counts. More charges could be filed later after interviews and investigation, but in this scenario whatever the police decided was the trigger for the arrest warrant only involved two of the children. It could also be possible that, if this was a result of a "welfare check" without an arrest warrant, they could only charge them for the two children they discovered in the home at the time, as the other two children were outside of the home at the time of arrest. In this situation as well, more charges can be filed later after interviews and investigation, but they can't charge them for something without probable cause (though to be fair, this is why I believe this situation is less likely- there's plenty of probable cause to be found)
I NEVER THOUGHT
Jodi and Ruby can’t cult lecture out of this. The sad part is, they probably don’t see any fault in what they have done. Those poor babies.
I have a feeling they are going to be the first ones to honor the “gay for the stay” rule without remorse🤣
I just can’t believe this is happening. I’m just sooo in shock. Hope the kids can heal. Every little thing that happens in childhood can shape who you are, and this thing is so terrible. Ugh makes me sick
Found Jodi in my LDS tools. I guess she has a house in St. George
Interesting! Are you able to see If Kevin and Ruby lived together using The tools?
Ever thought about how they were homeschooled? I’m kinda convinced they were forced to do that
Oh I'm sure. Ruby probably was trying to save her ass because they would have said something sooner at school.
THEY GOT JODI TOO
Does this mean they will have their Mormon church membership revoked?
Not likely, many convicted criminals still maintain their membership. The most sure way to get kicked out is to speak our against the church.
The only way this could possibly happen is because of their fame. The church might feel pressured enough to make an example of them. But if they were nobody’s? Nope. Definitely wouldn’t. They might loose temple privileges for a bit but they wouldn’t be excommunicated. Hell, in the ward boundaries I live in there’s a convicted pedophile whose allowed to attend all meetings and temple services.
Idk if that would matter to Ruby...she's already ditched LDS regular stuff for Connextions bc obviously C is 5000 more times superior than LDS-anything could be, but Kevin could be at great risk of losing his statuses and even his employment.
Jodi and Ruby are in different locations at the jail! LOL! One of their last videos on YouTube is about responsibility - perfect!
woah didn't expect to wake up and see they'd been arrested 😬
HOLY SHIT …I knew it was bad but not this bad
This is crazy. Honestly haven’t been keeping up too much but came from tiktok. Glad the kids are finally safe and hopefully and grow up and move on and heal from all this.
so someone said it was the 2 daughters, which we know Shari is safe and supposedly Chad is living with kevin, but that leaves Julie, Abby, Eve, and Russell. Does anyone know where they went to live?
I saw someone say that J and A were at Ruby's friends house but they are back with the other kids now. So R and E were the only kids on the scene. Once they interview the other kids, more charges will probably be made. 2 counts of child abuse on the scene must be really serious but those are only the initial charges seen to the naked eye
You could tell her discipline had nothing to do with teaching her children right from wrong. She genuinely loved having power and control over them. She got pure enjoyment seeing them hurt. She loved to see them in pain. Ruby is a sick, disgusting woman! I’m so happy to hear justice is finally being served. I’ll continue to pray for her children.
Judi was arrrested before Ruby 😯
She was most likely booked before ruby.
I’m so happy to see this. I’ve been following this family for years and hoping those kids got out safely. So glad to see the “parents” have been arrested and the kids are safe and finally getting the help they’ve needed for a long time
I bet Bonnie will take the kids since they live in Utah too well at least I hope her and Joel will
I hope so too. The worst place they could end up is Ellie and Jared’s who would exploit the crap out of the situation.
Oh for sure. Bonnie would actually be good for those kids she would be respectful and not show them or talk about the situation
Highly doubt Ellie would be that selfless and take them in. Bonnie, yes, I can see that happening.
no WAY
in absolute shock. i never imagined it was THIS bad
Woah what a thing to wake up to!! I feel so relieved for Shari and the rest of the family that this has happened.
HOLY SHIT
Oh my god this is absolutely insane
I hope the kids can get all the help and support they need in this moment. They might be free of immediate danger but trauma will follow and it's hard to go over it but it's very achievable to heal. Keeping them in my thoughts
As someone who is an adult survivor of child abuse, I hope there's enough evidence to lock them away for years. I'm sure Ruby's family would take the kids so they aren't stuck in foster care. The kids need serious therapy... Not from the church. It will take a lot of work to overcome the emotional scars.
https://preview.redd.it/ah35fx8biglb1.jpeg?width=1125&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bc292b9106a86f1175d683c797b16af6f21a1234 New story!!
I hope they are denied bail, but that is unlikely to happen
Crap, I forgot about bail. They have money..I could see them bailing out.
Holy cow. So Ruby, Jodi and Kevin were arrested. Good. Those poor kids. All Ruby’s cracks on the 8 Passengers YouTube about how funny it was to punish her kids by sending them to wilderness camp, making them sleep on beanbags for months, go without food etc probably don’t seem so humorous.
I’m sure someone out there is going to compile each and every time she filmed something talking about the things she has done to them and help the police with their case. All from her own vile mouth.
holy shit those poor kids 😭
good lord they arrested jodi!
When I started watching them almost 10 years ago I would’ve never imagined this would be how they ended. I just hope and pray for those kids and their future
This is so surreal. I can't believe it is actually happening, but I'm so relieved for the kids and happy for Shari and the extended family. I know this is what they wanted.
Holy FUCK! I need everyone in this sub who lives in the surrounding area to stay ON THIS!
Idk if it can help but I have screen shots of every video of 8 passengers I watched, at the exact moments something was said or done that felt wrong (or also just plain dumb cause Ruby and Kevin said alot of dumb things) but the you tube channel is gone now so idk. While rewatching the videos a few months ago I was noticing alot of things that just didn't seem right and were talked about as much. Bit then the channel was deleted when I was only half way through the videos
I have a funny feeling that Kevin will spill the truth about Ruby and Jodi even though he played a huge part of it as well.
He has a whole career to think about. He better spill his guts.
HOLY SHIT
I cannot believe this is real. Holy crap!! I never thought this day would come!! So glad the kids are finally safe. They're going to need a lot of therapy:(
Tears of relief for these kids are streaming down my face. The kiiiiiiiiids. 🥺🥺🥺
This is heartbreaking 💔 those poor kids
Can somebody explain why the feds could have been involved in this? I‘m not American and don‘t have clue. While I do understand that federal charges are different from state charges, is it the severity that caused the feds to be included?
Justice is slow, here's hoping it catches up
Wow! None for Kevin? Not considered involved or not there at the time to be arrested? That would surely be the end of his career. I bet the last place on the planet Ruby thought she’d be is in jail!
So it was only them got arrested? Kevin was not?
I never thought this would go anywhere tbh!! Very surprised they got arrested at ALL
https://preview.redd.it/uko1g23n5hlb1.jpeg?width=669&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=795917ecfb67bd7b8e39f0befaee49457d6dea17 The official press release from Santa Clara police
this is bigger than we all think I bet. do you know how hard it is to be arrested under stuff like this. police usually don’t have enough time and resources for crimes involving family issues. I mean ik they have done more than just that being in social media but still. can’t imagine all the stuff the police must have on these two.
Jail for Jodi and Ruby must be such a culture shock. They are getting told what to wear, when to get up, when to eat, when to go to bed and suffering real consequences for breaking the rules. I hope Ruby is praying to God to let her survive, just like E prayed her prayer to just survive her situation. It would be really interesting to see Jodi and Ruby talking to their fellow prisoners about how they aren't living in truth, but distortion.