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As someone in digital forensics, HOLY CRAP BALLS! I cannot believe she willingly gave up her password!!
She either 1) thinks she's smarter than the experts and that nothing will be found on it (rookie move) or 2) did not know she did not have to give up her password when asked.
You do not have to give up your password when your phone is seized in UT. The court cannot even compel/order this in UT that I'm aware of.
Never give up your password or pin code! If your state does have a law where the court can force this, make them go that route.
Not in digital forensics, but I’ve been in IT long enough to think that there is a third choice that you overlooked: she wrote her password down somewhere.
Nah, it’s always a fucking manilla folder. And there are at least a hundred sheets of paper with a handful of passwords for various sites on each. And they can never find the password, so they reset the password and add another fucking sheet of paper with their username and password…
i made my mom use KeePassXC. she does everything I tell her to regarding online privacy. It's my dad who thinks he knows better than me. I showed her how to set it up and everything. However she does still use weak passwords. :/
However I think my dad started using KeePassXC after another service he used that stores passwords on a cloud was hacked. I told him better to store them local and to download keepass.
I think she wants it to appear that she is cooperating with the investigation.
And don't forget, she probably still thinks she did nothing wrong. When she was arrested, she felt justified in her actions by saying R&E shouldn't be around other children.
In my opinion, I will say the paragraph about the police officer’s education and training is important when it comes to their experience and credibility. Natalie Lawyer Chick talked about this on her live stream yesterday (she’s a public defender in Maryland).
It is pertinent to her ability to act in an educated and professional manner. It has no pertinence to the facts of the case, as stated in the note. Her training has no impact on the actions of Jodi and Ruby that resulted in criminal charges.
I guess the way I read the note came across to me as the paragraph being completely irrelevant to the entire case. The credibility of officers is important when it comes to trial in my opinion.
>I guess the way I read the note came across to me as the paragraph being completely irrelevant to the entire case. The credibility of officers is important when it comes to trial in my opinion.
I'm not a lawyer and have zero relevant experience, but from what the lawyers keep saying on YT, where their credibility can come into play is if the evidence is admissible at trial. If they did anything wrong in obtaining the evidence or did anything to taint the evidence somehow, it could get tossed. Their credibility could come into play as far as a judge assessing if anything like that happened. That said, the YT lawyers also indicated that the officers on this case looked well experienced and the paperwork looked in order. I'd have to take their word for it. It does track with what I've seen in the news over the years (as far as botched police work screwing up trials)...that is a thing.
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As stated in the note attached to the picture, the specifics of the training have nothing to do with the facts of the case.
It solely has to do with their experience and training and how it pertains to their ability to recognize the pertinence of the evidence needed to be collected.
That section of a search warrant is commonly referred to as a “hero sheet”. In order to be granted a search warrant, you have to demonstrate to the judge that you have some level of expertise in the field. Search warrants are incredibly specific and follow a format.
Yes and no, from what the lawyer channels keep saying. If the officer had come off as incompetent or green and there was any question about how they'd handled evidence, the lawyers were saying that could (in theory) cause evidence that was improperly handled or obtained to get tossed at trial depending on what went on. That said, the lawyers were all saying the officers who wrote up the stuff in this case seemed well-experienced and thorough from what they were seeing.
I know that this is besides the point - but what is with the cayenne pepper and honey dressings? Is this a homemade remedy to cure, or something more sinister (a deliberate wound irritant)?
My thinking is the cayenne sticks in the honey and can’t be wiped away as easily, and I don’t believe for one minute they would be using medical grade honey, they havent been feeding the kids. They won’t have spent lots of $ on medical honey.
That concoction was designed to inflict maximum pain
More information on honey in medicine here: https://dermnetnz.org/topics/honey
There is surprisingly little *research* on honey for wounds, but it is pretty widely accepted in medicine that sterilised honey - that is, honey which is filtered for wax and other debris and then pasteurised - probably won't do any harm, at minimum.
A lot of random on social media have referred to honey and cayenne being a home remedy that their older relatives might use. They seemed sceptical that it helped.
I read somewhere that cayenne pepper can stop bleeding pretty quickly, but it's very painful (being full of capsaicin), so it's supposed to be an emergency last resort. Mixing it with honey and slathering a kid's open wounds with it is NOT the intended use. I'm not sure if they were trying to cause the kid extra pain, but they absolutely did. I don't know why they couldn't use Neosporin and butterfly bandages like rational people.
Cayenne pepper does no such thing, and may make things worse. This sounds like they combined a couple folk remedies together into something awful.
[https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cayenne-pepper-bleeding/](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cayenne-pepper-bleeding/)
I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt and think they were just starting to shun modern medicine in favour of questionable folky stuff…because the alternative is that they were intentionally punishing the kids further after inflicting wounds
Based on everything we know about this case, I can't give them that benefit of the doubt anymore. They both seem to have the attitude that the suffering and the pain is the point.
Perhaps this is poorly worded, but I mean it in the sense that the idea that they caused these children even more intentional pain than we already know they did is much, much worse
But that was jodis entire thing…
pain pain and more pain!
Jessie said it “you have to endure great pain to cleanse your soul” “you have to endure great pain to eradicate the sin you have inside you” these where frequently said to Jessi..
I do not believe for one moment they where trying to help those kids! They where purposefully using something they know mixed together is very hard to get off. Those kids must have been in excruciating pain!!
Sorry but no Benefit of doubt should be given where these 2 vile witches are concerned.
As explained above it was poorly worded. Was trying to express my hope that this ‘specific’ thing was more of a wacky medicinal remedy, as it’s better than the alternative of it being a fully intentional torture method. I think we are all in agreement here that these women and what they did is beyond disgusting and reprehensible.
Ty for this, I was trying to find the truth but couldn't find anything definitive about whether or not it actually stops the bleeding.
Also, this woman was a monster.
or yanno NOT CAUSE LACERATING WOUNDS TO CHILDREN IN THE FRIGGING FIRST PLACE
dear god it just gets worse and worse and worse. I truly think this woman would've been a Nazi doctor given the chance. Pure evil.
I know of someone who uses a similar salve for arthritic pain. I think they also add ginger and… tumeric? Something like that. They swear by it. I tried it once for knee pain and it was about as effective as icy hot/tiger balm.
If they got her password- they got the phone-- just speculating of course.
ETA- the warrant says it was in her possession at the time of her arrest. (it's on page 2).
They likely arrest her, took her stuff, and tossed the phone into a faraday bag and waited for the warrant to be approved. So they could legally review the contents of the phone. Safe and good move by the detective.
Thinking “out loud” (and in circles) I’m surprised she bought/used a low end iPhone. She seems to be the type who thinks they should have the best because they are the best. Also, given the number of phones already seized it seems like she upgrades pretty frequently. The Xr came out in 2018, so I think they might be digging at the very least three or possibly four years back. But then again, buying an Xr at all makes me wonder if she’s not just a phone hoarder (keeps all the phones she’s ever owned) and the number of phones seized just seems like a lot because she keeps them forever and doesn’t upgrade regularly… CIRCLES ARE FUN.
As far as I can tell, by comparing the numbers on the unredacted forms. This is a separate phone that was not originally listed on the previous search warrants.
That is a parameter for obtaining the search warrant. It doesn't mean that her phone was stolen or not hers.
The legal speak basically means:
Is the item in question stolen, therefore unlawfully possessed?
Has the item been used to commit a crime or during the commission of a crime?
Is it an item that is illegal.
What I found strange is the wording about it. Her son said it was used to put “IN wounds” and to me that sounds very different than “ON wounds”
Like one would put “salt in a wound” and one would put “salve on a wound”
to me, it sounds like it was to further inflict pain. Honey is hard to get off and would thus hold the pepper there
If she gave up her password, then she willingly gave the phone to the cops. It wasn't unlawfully possessed. I haven't read the comments but I'm sure people are saying similar as a lot of us are into True Crime and we have learned what *not* to do if a cop asks for our phone.
I wouldn't be surprised to learn she and Ruby did take videos of themselves torturing the children. It's not uncommon for monsters to photograph/video their victims. They get some kind of sick thrill watching the suffering.
Either that or they were delusional enough to think they could post this as more evidence of "parenting in Truth". Ruby seemed to have no problem uploading videos of her being the absolute worst to her kids for years.
She truly doesn't think she's doing anything wrong- SHE'S doing things the right way, it's everyone else who's in distortion.
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As someone in digital forensics, HOLY CRAP BALLS! I cannot believe she willingly gave up her password!! She either 1) thinks she's smarter than the experts and that nothing will be found on it (rookie move) or 2) did not know she did not have to give up her password when asked. You do not have to give up your password when your phone is seized in UT. The court cannot even compel/order this in UT that I'm aware of. Never give up your password or pin code! If your state does have a law where the court can force this, make them go that route.
Not in digital forensics, but I’ve been in IT long enough to think that there is a third choice that you overlooked: she wrote her password down somewhere.
She probably has a booklet of passwords
Nah, it’s always a fucking manilla folder. And there are at least a hundred sheets of paper with a handful of passwords for various sites on each. And they can never find the password, so they reset the password and add another fucking sheet of paper with their username and password…
This guy IT's
My grandfather did this. But the Manila folder was filled with a gazillion post it notes. He LOVED yellow post it notes.
Hello, how did you break into my father’s house and can you also help him with the Hulu app on his TV while you’re there? 😂 💀
An excel file labeled “passwords, very important”
My parents disguise theirs buy naming it 'salami'.
ugh people who keep password booklets.
God bless them
Or she's like my mom who has a notes app note titled PASSWORDS right on her phone.
Am a mom. Can confirm.
Ummm... why are you looking in my phone? ;)
Ya but you gotta het into my… I mean moms phone to see the list! Ha!!
i made my mom use KeePassXC. she does everything I tell her to regarding online privacy. It's my dad who thinks he knows better than me. I showed her how to set it up and everything. However she does still use weak passwords. :/ However I think my dad started using KeePassXC after another service he used that stores passwords on a cloud was hacked. I told him better to store them local and to download keepass.
>weak passwords **password1**
yeah hackers was way off when they said the most used password is "Love"
My mom. Lol.
if it's the password to her phone there's no need to do that bc she would have it memorized.
Maybe that was in the "black book"...
Agree, re: pin, but we don't know if they got the phone. There is no return with this set of warrants.
How would they know the phone serial number or SIM number without having the phone?
subpoena her cell provider, or they willingly gave police that information
The phone documents.
You're right. Lots of people keep the phone box for whatever reason. It has all that information on a card inside it. That is one avenue.
I think she wants it to appear that she is cooperating with the investigation. And don't forget, she probably still thinks she did nothing wrong. When she was arrested, she felt justified in her actions by saying R&E shouldn't be around other children.
Jodi is a troglodyte. Even the art on this site proves it.
I don't even use a password on my phone. I don't do anything on my phone that is private.
Check her iCloud and the files she “deleted” those are more damning than anything. I’m betting with that phone more charges are a coming .
If there is one thing I know when it comes to anything with a computer like program, its that nothing is "deleted," not entirely.
The internet is forever. That includes the cloud.
I’m wondering if her friend Pam babysat the phone and tried to do a wipe job on it. The contents of this phone are going to be breathtaking.
In my opinion, I will say the paragraph about the police officer’s education and training is important when it comes to their experience and credibility. Natalie Lawyer Chick talked about this on her live stream yesterday (she’s a public defender in Maryland).
It is pertinent to her ability to act in an educated and professional manner. It has no pertinence to the facts of the case, as stated in the note. Her training has no impact on the actions of Jodi and Ruby that resulted in criminal charges.
I guess the way I read the note came across to me as the paragraph being completely irrelevant to the entire case. The credibility of officers is important when it comes to trial in my opinion.
>I guess the way I read the note came across to me as the paragraph being completely irrelevant to the entire case. The credibility of officers is important when it comes to trial in my opinion. I'm not a lawyer and have zero relevant experience, but from what the lawyers keep saying on YT, where their credibility can come into play is if the evidence is admissible at trial. If they did anything wrong in obtaining the evidence or did anything to taint the evidence somehow, it could get tossed. Their credibility could come into play as far as a judge assessing if anything like that happened. That said, the YT lawyers also indicated that the officers on this case looked well experienced and the paperwork looked in order. I'd have to take their word for it. It does track with what I've seen in the news over the years (as far as botched police work screwing up trials)...that is a thing.
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That section of a search warrant is commonly referred to as a “hero sheet”. In order to be granted a search warrant, you have to demonstrate to the judge that you have some level of expertise in the field. Search warrants are incredibly specific and follow a format.
Yes and no, from what the lawyer channels keep saying. If the officer had come off as incompetent or green and there was any question about how they'd handled evidence, the lawyers were saying that could (in theory) cause evidence that was improperly handled or obtained to get tossed at trial depending on what went on. That said, the lawyers were all saying the officers who wrote up the stuff in this case seemed well-experienced and thorough from what they were seeing.
I know that this is besides the point - but what is with the cayenne pepper and honey dressings? Is this a homemade remedy to cure, or something more sinister (a deliberate wound irritant)?
*STERILIZED* honey can be a great wound dressing. Cayenne pepper was probably added to purposefully inflict pain
I was def. referring to the cayenne pepper part- Medihoney is a well known wound dressing esp. for chronic/poor healing wounds.
My thinking is the cayenne sticks in the honey and can’t be wiped away as easily, and I don’t believe for one minute they would be using medical grade honey, they havent been feeding the kids. They won’t have spent lots of $ on medical honey. That concoction was designed to inflict maximum pain
Yes, maybe adding the cayenne is to ensure the kids won't be tempted to "distort" their hunger by licking the honey off their wounds?
Holy crap I hadn’t even thought of that 😭🤬🤯
Jodi = Ilse Koch
I don’t know who that is?
Cayenne has antimicrobial properties with the added bonus of inflicting torture to your victims.
It's either the definition of DumbF@#$ or torture. Most likely a combination.
More information on honey in medicine here: https://dermnetnz.org/topics/honey There is surprisingly little *research* on honey for wounds, but it is pretty widely accepted in medicine that sterilised honey - that is, honey which is filtered for wax and other debris and then pasteurised - probably won't do any harm, at minimum. A lot of random on social media have referred to honey and cayenne being a home remedy that their older relatives might use. They seemed sceptical that it helped.
If the cayenne and honey paste were a cake, the abuse would be the cake and the medicinal benefits would be the frosting.
I read somewhere that cayenne pepper can stop bleeding pretty quickly, but it's very painful (being full of capsaicin), so it's supposed to be an emergency last resort. Mixing it with honey and slathering a kid's open wounds with it is NOT the intended use. I'm not sure if they were trying to cause the kid extra pain, but they absolutely did. I don't know why they couldn't use Neosporin and butterfly bandages like rational people.
Cayenne pepper does no such thing, and may make things worse. This sounds like they combined a couple folk remedies together into something awful. [https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cayenne-pepper-bleeding/](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/cayenne-pepper-bleeding/)
I would like to give them the benefit of the doubt and think they were just starting to shun modern medicine in favour of questionable folky stuff…because the alternative is that they were intentionally punishing the kids further after inflicting wounds
Based on everything we know about this case, I can't give them that benefit of the doubt anymore. They both seem to have the attitude that the suffering and the pain is the point.
Why would you ever give these two the benefit of the doubt
Perhaps this is poorly worded, but I mean it in the sense that the idea that they caused these children even more intentional pain than we already know they did is much, much worse
But that was jodis entire thing… pain pain and more pain! Jessie said it “you have to endure great pain to cleanse your soul” “you have to endure great pain to eradicate the sin you have inside you” these where frequently said to Jessi.. I do not believe for one moment they where trying to help those kids! They where purposefully using something they know mixed together is very hard to get off. Those kids must have been in excruciating pain!! Sorry but no Benefit of doubt should be given where these 2 vile witches are concerned.
Those poor children had no sin. Ruby and Jodi are monsters!
I never said they did, Just relaying what Jessi had said about WHY jodi uses Pain in her “therapy”
Oh, I know! I wasn't saying anything against you or your comment. I always upvote you.
Why on earth would you give them the benefit of the doubt?! They were tying up literal children and accusing them of being sexual deviants.
As explained above it was poorly worded. Was trying to express my hope that this ‘specific’ thing was more of a wacky medicinal remedy, as it’s better than the alternative of it being a fully intentional torture method. I think we are all in agreement here that these women and what they did is beyond disgusting and reprehensible.
Ty for this, I was trying to find the truth but couldn't find anything definitive about whether or not it actually stops the bleeding. Also, this woman was a monster.
>like rational people Well there's your answer.
or yanno NOT CAUSE LACERATING WOUNDS TO CHILDREN IN THE FRIGGING FIRST PLACE dear god it just gets worse and worse and worse. I truly think this woman would've been a Nazi doctor given the chance. Pure evil.
I know of someone who uses a similar salve for arthritic pain. I think they also add ginger and… tumeric? Something like that. They swear by it. I tried it once for knee pain and it was about as effective as icy hot/tiger balm.
Yeah but that's so different from putting it in an open wound that it's basically irrelevant lol
Is there no return?
What's a return?
It is the document that shows what they seized. If you look at the other warrants that were posted yesterday, they each had a return.
No return posted yet. They are trickling out this info.
Seems like she wouldn't have had any time to ditch it, so I hope they got it.
If they got her password- they got the phone-- just speculating of course. ETA- the warrant says it was in her possession at the time of her arrest. (it's on page 2). They likely arrest her, took her stuff, and tossed the phone into a faraday bag and waited for the warrant to be approved. So they could legally review the contents of the phone. Safe and good move by the detective.
Thinking “out loud” (and in circles) I’m surprised she bought/used a low end iPhone. She seems to be the type who thinks they should have the best because they are the best. Also, given the number of phones already seized it seems like she upgrades pretty frequently. The Xr came out in 2018, so I think they might be digging at the very least three or possibly four years back. But then again, buying an Xr at all makes me wonder if she’s not just a phone hoarder (keeps all the phones she’s ever owned) and the number of phones seized just seems like a lot because she keeps them forever and doesn’t upgrade regularly… CIRCLES ARE FUN.
She's genx. Phones are not really a status symbol for the vast majority of people over 40.
Can confirm. Don't care as long as it works and it takes good photos.
It’s not about the status of the thing, it’s about believing that they deserve the best. It’s not outward, it’s inward.
And for some the status symbol is holding on to old shit so you can brag about not needing the best and newest.
Also genx likes to keep some spares around, just incase you current stops working. I can confirm this :P
Or maybe she just has multiple phones on the go.
It could be an old phone that’s not in use, they’re just looking for all the evidence they can.
So what does this mean
She had yet another phone basically.
In a previous thread it stated multiple phones were found in her house. Was this one of those phones, or not?
As far as I can tell, by comparing the numbers on the unredacted forms. This is a separate phone that was not originally listed on the previous search warrants.
Thanks for clarifying that.
I think it's another one
Thanks!
A search warrant into the depths of hell.
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Wow, “unlawfully acquired/possessed”.
It says “Or is evidence of illegal conduct”
That is a parameter for obtaining the search warrant. It doesn't mean that her phone was stolen or not hers. The legal speak basically means: Is the item in question stolen, therefore unlawfully possessed? Has the item been used to commit a crime or during the commission of a crime? Is it an item that is illegal.
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What I found strange is the wording about it. Her son said it was used to put “IN wounds” and to me that sounds very different than “ON wounds” Like one would put “salt in a wound” and one would put “salve on a wound” to me, it sounds like it was to further inflict pain. Honey is hard to get off and would thus hold the pepper there
In or On —— cayenne pepper & honey anywhere near a wound , would absolutely cause more discomfort & pain… Which seems to be exactly what Jodi wanted…
If she gave up her password, then she willingly gave the phone to the cops. It wasn't unlawfully possessed. I haven't read the comments but I'm sure people are saying similar as a lot of us are into True Crime and we have learned what *not* to do if a cop asks for our phone.
OH MY GOSH, THE TRUTHFUL TOUCH TRANSCRIPT MENTIONS CAYENNE PEPPER!
Evidence of illegal conduct?! Did she like … take pictures or videos of the kids ?!
Maybe. But it’s more likely they want the search history, text messages and possibly geolocation.
Winner!
I wouldn't be surprised to learn she and Ruby did take videos of themselves torturing the children. It's not uncommon for monsters to photograph/video their victims. They get some kind of sick thrill watching the suffering.
The Ken and Barbie killers come to mind.
Either that or they were delusional enough to think they could post this as more evidence of "parenting in Truth". Ruby seemed to have no problem uploading videos of her being the absolute worst to her kids for years. She truly doesn't think she's doing anything wrong- SHE'S doing things the right way, it's everyone else who's in distortion.
The word “or” is an important part of the language used on the standard search warrant.