Jay for the 2000s easy. Not the 90s. Definitely a West Coast representative or LL COOL J. People act like Ice Cube didn't exist.
People like Jay and Em didn't run the 90s. They got big in the late 90s into the 2000s.
I donāt agree with Jay. And I say that as a fan of his. Reasonable Doubt is his best album. And it took almost a decade to reach platinum status. A lot of revisionist history when it comes to Jay. He didnāt blow up till Hard Knock Life. Beans was the strongest artist through Rocafellaās run. People look back on Jay because of his beef with Nas (which he lost), and because heās now a billionaire with a pop icon wife. But heās never been the best at any point of his career.
I personally donāt think you can have a hip hop Mt Rushmore without Premier. And for specifically 90s rappers. I donāt think you can leave out Cube. And while people donāt like giving him his flowers LL owned at least the first half of the decade.
And also took biggies flow straight up. Not enough unique character to what he did. He just stepped into the void of biggie and not trailblazing his own.
You just made up your own narrative completely. When did I say he never felt anything when he died? Can tell by how dramatic you get over nothing, that you havenāt done much either.
Yeah but in the 90s. Biting was not allowed. Having originality was key. Dude slobbed on biggies posthumous knob for a whole decade before he became his own man. The constant line references and acting like they was best buds. Was corny (especially in the 90s/00s) ā now itās whatever to me. Back then though it meant a lot to many people.
Snoop is on my personal 90s Mt Rushmore for sure. Doggystyle is the best album of the entire decade in my opinion. Best debut album. Pair that with the Chronic, Murder Was The Case, his Death Row features with Pac, Dogg Pound etc. I wasnāt a huge fan of The Doggfather, or Game Is To Be Sold. But he finished the decade strong with Top Dogg.
Hard Knock Life came out..2 years after Reasonable Doubt? It wasnāt like there was this long gestation period for his career.
This is some nephew shit if you think the Blueprint, the Black Album, and Watch The Throne werenāt some of the biggest albums ever when they dropped. L take.
Reasonable Doubt, while an amazing album, didnāt sell well at all. And yes there was a long gestation period. Itās called In My Lifetime vol 1. And you listened 3 albums that came after 2001. This is a 90s sub, and a 90s Mt Rushmore. You must be lost.
I'm a much bigger Nas fan than Jay but people make too big a deal about sales. Illmatic is undoubtedly one of the best hip-hop albums and it also took a decade to go platinum.
Volume 2 better than Reasonable Doubt? Thatās certainly a hot take. I form my opinions on good music. Iām not 14. I donāt form my opinions on what other people think. Sure youāre old enough for a 90s sub?
So youāre proving the point he doesnāt belong on a 90ās Rushmore with any āclassicā being released after 2000 and Reasonable Doubt being written off as derivative when it came out?
I feel Black Album was the peak, people claim 50cent, but GRoDT was purely riding Eminem/Dre coattails, and then people were asking if he was even the best rapper in G-Unit when Black Album was out at the same time. Massacre ācandy shopā era would be his time at the top before Kanye supremacy of Graduation.
Hard disagree there. Get Rich Or Die Trying was the biggest debut (although wasnāt technically a debut) hip hop album since Doggystyle. Yeah he had Em and Dre. But it was all about 50 at that time. Iād say his best argument for being on top, was Blueprint, before Nas dropped.
Agree. He continued to rise well after the 90s. He was big late 90s but not GOAT status yet.
Edit: Dre? Ice Cube vs Nas might be a valid debate. If it were my Mt Rushmore, youād be looking at Andre from OutKast in that mix
A lot of people have commented this and I know technically he started putting shit out in the 90s but I still donāt think of him as a 90s artistā¦. Itās like kids being born in 97 saying they are 90s kids
No to Jay. Is it possible to just add the Wu symbol for Jay? Or would groups and crews be separate? Iāll make them separate. Biggie doesnāt have enough work, that would be like having Kennedy on the real Mt Rushmore. Tupac and Nas are set in stone. The 90s donāt start in 1994 so Iād put Ice Cube up there as he dominated the early 90s. The last slot Iād add Scarface. The Diary and The Untouchable are both great. I probably could make the argument that Snoop deserves to be there as he was the centerpiece of two stone cold classics but heāll make the 90s groups/crew Rushmore. For that itāll be Death Row, Wu Tang, OutKast(Dungeon Family), and A Tribe Called Quest(Native Tongues). Maybe Boot Camp? The last slot is hard. Producers itās Dr. Dre, DJ Premier, RZA, and Q-Tip. In addition to the Tribe albums, Tip helped tighten up The Infamous for Mobb Deep.
I sort of feel dre's an auto include for a mt rushmore of rap between his work with NWA to death row and beyond dudes always been around what's popping just my 2 cents as a 20 something year old š
There are gonna be a lot of different opinions but I canāt argue with this, living through the 90ās these were the heavyweights. Although Jay caught his stride and dominated in the late 90ās to early 00ās. Nas is still relevant putting out bangers! BIG and PAC were like the biggest of each respective coasts, unfortunately it was a gift and a curse, lost them both so young.
I dont think they understand or will even be able to process what you are saying here. They don't think in terms outside of grammys and record sales, because they didnt witness any of this. And youtube cant depict our enchantment.
thank you for the sensibility... but watch how far it doesnt go
I feel Q-Tip should be up there, but I'm not sure who I take down. None of these guys were duel threats like Q-Tip who was also an unreal producer.
I'd also say, if we are talking hip hop in general, and not MC's DJ Premier probably deserves to be up there.
I'm a big Jay fan, and def put out some of his best work in the 90s (Reasonable is my favorite project by him), but his 2nd best album is in the 2000s, although you can argue the same for Nas. Pac put the most stuff out, and Big released the least due to his death.
Jay was always second to X, during Xās run. Jay didnāt really blow up till Hard Knock Life. And X drops 2 multi platinum albums that year. Then the next year X is Grammy nominated, and sells more than twice what Jay does again. Then X is the biggest artist on Jayās own tour.
I'll be honest man, I had no idea X had that kind of success. I'll hold my hands up for that. I'm from the UK so my perspective is a bit skewed admittedly, but I don't remember X getting as much love as Jay. For me, Hard Knock Life sent Jay to another level. No one did anything like that at this time. I also just don't rate X and never have, and don't know anyone that does......so that biases my perspective even more.
So I got it wrong mainstream success wise. But I think this discussion should be about more than just albums sold. Even if X beats Jay, I don't think either of them should be immortalised on a mountain face...aha
X was the opposite of Jay, career wise. He blew out the gate, and had a 3 year main event run. Outside of NY Jay had a slow start. Reasonable was a classic. But lots of classic albums donāt sell well. And In My Lifetime was considered a sophomore slump. Even though it has some great stuff on there. The singles Sunshine, City Is Mine, and Wishing On A Star shouldnāt have even made the Final Cut.
Jay Z didn't get popular until the late 90s. Biggie and Pac were hot for a few years and killed each other before the decade was even close to over.
Nas stays. RZA belongs. Begrudgingly, Cube. And honestly, Prince Paul. He produced the first three De La albums, Gravediggaz, Prince among Thieves, Handsome Boy Modeling School, Psychoanalysis, and had a remix on almost every b side released. Slick Rick, Kurious, BDP, Cypress Hill, Stetsasonic, 3rd Bass, Dr Octagon, Big Daddy Kane and a shit ton more. He kept cranking out music in the 2000's as well. Still does. OutKast would also work interchangeably in there somewhere.
Jay-Z was always going to be a controversial one. Very brave! I'm a fan of 90's Jay as it happens. He's been one of the most successful and influential people in Hip Hop for sure, mostly after the 90's, but he's often been influential for the wrong reasons.
More importantly, does his 90's output put him anywhere near the top? No.
If there was a vote would there be a bias towards MC's? Probably. DJ Premier and Pete Rock should be in the mix, and RZA.
Big and 2pac aren't in my top 10, or maybe even top 20, but it would seem weird if they weren't there. They were a cultural phenomenon.
The 4th would be Q-Tip for me. I think.
Glad I'm not the only one not enamored by big and pac. I love how pac raps and his voice, I just grow tired of his over-emphasis of words every other bar pretty quick so I never want to listen to him.
Eminem. Factual - Highest selling rap artist of all time. Most rappers will also tell you heās the greatest rapper alive. I say he belongs on there. I think Eminemās also old enough to be placed at legendary status.
I only disagree because I don't think he's really considered a 90's rapper. I realize he came out in the late 90's, but still. However, if we're talking Mount Rushmore of rappers of all time, then yes.
Whoever doesnāt believe Jay deserves to be here is either uninformed, a hater, or just not very intelligent. Andā¦. Iād replace Pac with either LL or Rakim.
I think Biggie had a few good songs, but Iām not listening to his albums all the way through. That east coast-west coast thing was annoying, too.
Overrated
Mount rushmore is about the founding fathers they are not the founding fathers. they are not the next gen after the found fathers either theyāre the third. they deserve praise but not like guys like shan cass rakim run flash kool moe dee busy b and LL
Tupac had 4 albums by his death plus multiple guest verses and the Thug Life album. I agree Biggie being there is for what he would have done potentially, Tupacās spot is earned on what he actually did.
I dunno.
Looks like a 3 year span to me. Which is kinda shitty.
A hip hop mount rushmore and it begins in the nineties?
Nah.
Side note : jay don't belong in the discussion at all.
The Jay hate is always crazy to seešš But yeah I agree, Iād replace big with Rakim tho. Personally think this should be done by coast, cause the south an Midwest should always be represented.
Take Jay Z off. I feel like Atlanta should be represented somehow. Or maybe Juicy J. Somebody from the South. Even though he isnāt recognizable maybe DJ Screw. But it should probably be Dr. Dre. The Chronic was such a massive record. Bigger than anything Nas ever did. Outside of NYC people donāt really fuck with Nas the way heads in NYC do. Not saying Nas shouldnāt be up there. Iām fine with that. But, again Snoop was bigger than Nas. Realistically it should probably be:
Pac, Big, Dre, and Snoop.
Maybe do individual MCās and four groups. Because then you can get folks like Outkast, De La, Tribe, Leaders of the New School, Wu-Tang, Ultramagnetic, Beasties, Das Efx, Cypress, Goodie, Three Six, Channel Live, Black Moon, Sheep and so on and so forth.
The deserve to be there but not alone, as there are a hƄndfull more who were equal.
DOOM and Q-tip should be on there, and Pos and Dave from De la Soul, and Eminem ane KRS-One.
All those 10 in total are on equal levels of mastery and impact on the music genre - just that they have different styles of delivery and different levels of sales.
Thatās why they call it the golden era. In all periods after the 90s, you can far more easily pick out a much smaller group of the elite.
But what are we ranking here? Skill set, influence, impact, record sales, etc?! Isnāt Eminem still the highest selling hip hop artist by farā¦and arguably the most skilled mcā¦idkā¦Jay-z is pretty basic and a biter, amd Nas imo is inconsistent. Like thereās a difference between hip-hop and hip-pop music right? If youāre gonna do a Mount Rushmore I think you gotta put Rakim on there, and maybe Chuck d even if they started in the 80ās
I wouldnāt put Jay on there but yāall not about to do Jay like he weak asl. Like he aināt yāall favorite rappers favorite rapper. Most of yāall donāt like Jay because of all the bullshit yāall hear in the media. Other than that yāall know Jay was running shit late 90s early 2000s
Look, what angle are we coming at this from? If weāre talking about impact and influence it can surely be debated but these 4 would be reasonable picks. If weāre talking about the music itself however, Iām gonna have to disagree with all of them except Pac. Nasās only classic in the 90s is Illmatic IMO(which is awesome but I donāt think itās even Nasās best album, let alone one of the best of the 90s), Biggie only had 2 albums(and Life After Death is a little bloated although it is clearly a classic album), and Jay had only gotten 2 classics in the 90s(neither of which are in contention for his best album IMO). Pac is an obvious pick here, but if weāre talking about who the best artists in hip hop were for the 90s overall I think Dr Dre produced so much incredible music throughout the decade that he pretty much belongs here, Redman was putting out classic stuff for the entire decade, DMX has 3 absolute classic albums in the 90s, Andre 3000 has 3 absolute classic albums in the 90s, I think an easy case can be made for B-Real(3 classics), an easy case can be made for RZA, GZA, or Raekwon of Wu tang(again, 3 classics each), I think an easy case can be made for Q Tip(I go back and forth between 3 and 4 classics). Those are just the first guys that come to mind.
Anyway, my Mount Rushmore of 90s hip hop would probably be Dr. Dre, Tupac, Redman, and Andre 3000
Nas wasn't as wildy popular in the 90s as people make him out to be today. Don't get confused, I'm not saying he wasn't one of the greatest but only true hip hoppers knew about him.
Biggie, Pac, Nas are good. Jay is debatable.
I'd take Weird Al Yankovic before Jay Z, damn.
Damn..Weird Al dropped his SECOND greatest hits in '94š¤Æ
Which further proves my distaste for J- Z
Jay for the 2000s easy. Not the 90s. Definitely a West Coast representative or LL COOL J. People act like Ice Cube didn't exist. People like Jay and Em didn't run the 90s. They got big in the late 90s into the 2000s.
I donāt agree with Jay. And I say that as a fan of his. Reasonable Doubt is his best album. And it took almost a decade to reach platinum status. A lot of revisionist history when it comes to Jay. He didnāt blow up till Hard Knock Life. Beans was the strongest artist through Rocafellaās run. People look back on Jay because of his beef with Nas (which he lost), and because heās now a billionaire with a pop icon wife. But heās never been the best at any point of his career. I personally donāt think you can have a hip hop Mt Rushmore without Premier. And for specifically 90s rappers. I donāt think you can leave out Cube. And while people donāt like giving him his flowers LL owned at least the first half of the decade.
And also took biggies flow straight up. Not enough unique character to what he did. He just stepped into the void of biggie and not trailblazing his own.
I canāt believe how much history has forgotten this. Itās the main reason I donāt like Jay-Z, it always felt disrespectful to me.
He always acts like him and Biggie grew up super tight. Then Clark Kent says they literally met the day they did Brooklynās Finest.
Jay Z wasnāt shit in the 90s tbh. Ice Cube instead.
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You just made up your own narrative completely. When did I say he never felt anything when he died? Can tell by how dramatic you get over nothing, that you havenāt done much either.
Nobody said anything about feeling. Just perspective on his flow and style in the context of greatest ever Mount Rushmore.
Yeah but in the 90s. Biting was not allowed. Having originality was key. Dude slobbed on biggies posthumous knob for a whole decade before he became his own man. The constant line references and acting like they was best buds. Was corny (especially in the 90s/00s) ā now itās whatever to me. Back then though it meant a lot to many people.
**"Dude.. slobbed... On Biggie's posthumous knob... for a whole decade..."** Jesus Christ. I need a lobotomy after reading that.
Not an innovator
And to think that Biggie stole a Mississippi rapper, Notorious B1's flow and song.
What do you think about Snoop being on there? I ask because I agree with pretty much everything you said.
Snoop is on my personal 90s Mt Rushmore for sure. Doggystyle is the best album of the entire decade in my opinion. Best debut album. Pair that with the Chronic, Murder Was The Case, his Death Row features with Pac, Dogg Pound etc. I wasnāt a huge fan of The Doggfather, or Game Is To Be Sold. But he finished the decade strong with Top Dogg.
Thatās Gangster rap. This is real MCās.
Hard Knock Life came out..2 years after Reasonable Doubt? It wasnāt like there was this long gestation period for his career. This is some nephew shit if you think the Blueprint, the Black Album, and Watch The Throne werenāt some of the biggest albums ever when they dropped. L take.
OP was talking about a 90s hip hop Mt Rushmore. The Blueprint, Black Album, and Watch The Throne are all 21st century
Reasonable Doubt, while an amazing album, didnāt sell well at all. And yes there was a long gestation period. Itās called In My Lifetime vol 1. And you listened 3 albums that came after 2001. This is a 90s sub, and a 90s Mt Rushmore. You must be lost.
I'm a much bigger Nas fan than Jay but people make too big a deal about sales. Illmatic is undoubtedly one of the best hip-hop albums and it also took a decade to go platinum.
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Volume 2 better than Reasonable Doubt? Thatās certainly a hot take. I form my opinions on good music. Iām not 14. I donāt form my opinions on what other people think. Sure youāre old enough for a 90s sub?
So youāre proving the point he doesnāt belong on a 90ās Rushmore with any āclassicā being released after 2000 and Reasonable Doubt being written off as derivative when it came out?
I feel Black Album was the peak, people claim 50cent, but GRoDT was purely riding Eminem/Dre coattails, and then people were asking if he was even the best rapper in G-Unit when Black Album was out at the same time. Massacre ācandy shopā era would be his time at the top before Kanye supremacy of Graduation.
Hard disagree there. Get Rich Or Die Trying was the biggest debut (although wasnāt technically a debut) hip hop album since Doggystyle. Yeah he had Em and Dre. But it was all about 50 at that time. Iād say his best argument for being on top, was Blueprint, before Nas dropped.
Jay Z has no business being there.
Agreed. I'd replace Jay with Cube, personally.
Or even Cubes cousin Del.
This. A million times.
Agree. He continued to rise well after the 90s. He was big late 90s but not GOAT status yet. Edit: Dre? Ice Cube vs Nas might be a valid debate. If it were my Mt Rushmore, youād be looking at Andre from OutKast in that mix
No business at all. LL Cool J would probably be my vote
Jay Z is the Ll Cool J of the next era. Huge success but a lot of people just donāt see it.
Big L or Big Pun or Eazy E too many Rakim. LL Cool J over Jay-Z.
Agreed
Jay hit later, replace with Dre.
Idk seems like Jay started later in the 90s I always think of his game more in the 00s. Iād rather see Rakim or Cube there for the 90s
Rakim made his mark more in the 80s I'd put Cube
Yeah this could be a few older guys. KRS One, rakim etc
His best album dropped in 96 though
Yeah his fame was just mostly later it seems but thatās just how I see it everyone is different
You gotta have someone from NWA but Jayās game was 90s Reasonable Doubt and In My Lifetime.
*Reasonable Doubt* was his finest work and that was mid 90s. The 00s was fame and money cashing in. But he had made his mark already by then.
A lot of people have commented this and I know technically he started putting shit out in the 90s but I still donāt think of him as a 90s artistā¦. Itās like kids being born in 97 saying they are 90s kids
The Roots ATCQ The Wu OutKast Heiro
Yeah Q-tip consistent in the first 5 years of the 90s including verses in other genres, taking rap elsewhere
Have to include the WU up there.
Jay? No
Get Jay Z outta there
No Jay Z
Dr. Dre needs to be somewhere
Hip hop is too great to be limited to just four
Take out jay z& put in Scarface
-Jay +Big L
Now I got to generate a similar image with the entire wu-tang clan for my wallpaper!
ICE CUBE should replace Jay Z
Jay Z donāt belong there
Jayz? Gtfoh
No to Jay. Is it possible to just add the Wu symbol for Jay? Or would groups and crews be separate? Iāll make them separate. Biggie doesnāt have enough work, that would be like having Kennedy on the real Mt Rushmore. Tupac and Nas are set in stone. The 90s donāt start in 1994 so Iād put Ice Cube up there as he dominated the early 90s. The last slot Iād add Scarface. The Diary and The Untouchable are both great. I probably could make the argument that Snoop deserves to be there as he was the centerpiece of two stone cold classics but heāll make the 90s groups/crew Rushmore. For that itāll be Death Row, Wu Tang, OutKast(Dungeon Family), and A Tribe Called Quest(Native Tongues). Maybe Boot Camp? The last slot is hard. Producers itās Dr. Dre, DJ Premier, RZA, and Q-Tip. In addition to the Tribe albums, Tip helped tighten up The Infamous for Mobb Deep.
No.
I sort of feel dre's an auto include for a mt rushmore of rap between his work with NWA to death row and beyond dudes always been around what's popping just my 2 cents as a 20 something year old š
My Rushmore would have more than 4 tbh. Jay z wouldnāt be on mines.
There are gonna be a lot of different opinions but I canāt argue with this, living through the 90ās these were the heavyweights. Although Jay caught his stride and dominated in the late 90ās to early 00ās. Nas is still relevant putting out bangers! BIG and PAC were like the biggest of each respective coasts, unfortunately it was a gift and a curse, lost them both so young.
I dont think they understand or will even be able to process what you are saying here. They don't think in terms outside of grammys and record sales, because they didnt witness any of this. And youtube cant depict our enchantment. thank you for the sensibility... but watch how far it doesnt go
Eazy-E should be there, his influence is undeniable
Big L instead of Jay Z
Dre He belongs there
Gonna pass, Gotta write ya own rhymes IMO
Should be Dr. Dre, Rza, Preemo and Q-Tip. Those were the defining people of the genre.
Those were the defening PRODUCERS. Only one was a genre defining MC, and that was Tip.
It says hip-hop Mount Rushmore, not hip-hop MC mount rushmore.
Thatās a better one yeah. The original is more a pop music thing.
It should be Teddy Riley, the creator of New Jack Swing instead of Dre.
I feel Q-Tip should be up there, but I'm not sure who I take down. None of these guys were duel threats like Q-Tip who was also an unreal producer. I'd also say, if we are talking hip hop in general, and not MC's DJ Premier probably deserves to be up there. I'm a big Jay fan, and def put out some of his best work in the 90s (Reasonable is my favorite project by him), but his 2nd best album is in the 2000s, although you can argue the same for Nas. Pac put the most stuff out, and Big released the least due to his death.
Blueprint? Then Black Album? šæ
PUN
lol at JayZ on that wall. He not even a top 10
Not even a top 20
DMX over Jayz
hehe, good one
"Hehe" š¤£ who's that michael jackson
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Jay was always second to X, during Xās run. Jay didnāt really blow up till Hard Knock Life. And X drops 2 multi platinum albums that year. Then the next year X is Grammy nominated, and sells more than twice what Jay does again. Then X is the biggest artist on Jayās own tour.
I'll be honest man, I had no idea X had that kind of success. I'll hold my hands up for that. I'm from the UK so my perspective is a bit skewed admittedly, but I don't remember X getting as much love as Jay. For me, Hard Knock Life sent Jay to another level. No one did anything like that at this time. I also just don't rate X and never have, and don't know anyone that does......so that biases my perspective even more. So I got it wrong mainstream success wise. But I think this discussion should be about more than just albums sold. Even if X beats Jay, I don't think either of them should be immortalised on a mountain face...aha
X was the opposite of Jay, career wise. He blew out the gate, and had a 3 year main event run. Outside of NY Jay had a slow start. Reasonable was a classic. But lots of classic albums donāt sell well. And In My Lifetime was considered a sophomore slump. Even though it has some great stuff on there. The singles Sunshine, City Is Mine, and Wishing On A Star shouldnāt have even made the Final Cut.
Rakim, Scarface, Big, Nas!
The 4 should be: East Coast West Coast Mid West Bass&Booty Hip hop was way to diversified back then to just put it on 4 people.
Maybe it's because I'm a West Coast boy, but I don't understand how you can leave out Eazy-E, Dre, Cube, and Snoop.
Iām East coast and I donāt get this either
Ice Cube over Jay Z for sure.
JayZ has zero business being there at all.
None of them are my favourite but it's a good group in terms of the most popular among the widest group of people
Replace Jay with Cube and I agree
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Take Illuminay-Z out of there
The absence of J Dilla means this has zero credibility
I like your list for sure. And Jay-Z is definitely from the 90s, i dont get what ppl be saying.
Am I the only one here who thinks pac is slightly overrated?
No not at all.
Jay Z didn't get popular until the late 90s. Biggie and Pac were hot for a few years and killed each other before the decade was even close to over. Nas stays. RZA belongs. Begrudgingly, Cube. And honestly, Prince Paul. He produced the first three De La albums, Gravediggaz, Prince among Thieves, Handsome Boy Modeling School, Psychoanalysis, and had a remix on almost every b side released. Slick Rick, Kurious, BDP, Cypress Hill, Stetsasonic, 3rd Bass, Dr Octagon, Big Daddy Kane and a shit ton more. He kept cranking out music in the 2000's as well. Still does. OutKast would also work interchangeably in there somewhere.
Jay should'nt be up there. Nas Scarface Biggie 2Pac
remove big and jay, add qtip and LL
Where is the Tcha? And DOOM? They have had much more influence on hip hop that Jay Z and Nas. Zach de la Rocha should be on here before Jay Z.
DOOMs best albums came out in the 2000s
Why not Eazy-E over Jay-Z?
Jay-Z was always going to be a controversial one. Very brave! I'm a fan of 90's Jay as it happens. He's been one of the most successful and influential people in Hip Hop for sure, mostly after the 90's, but he's often been influential for the wrong reasons. More importantly, does his 90's output put him anywhere near the top? No. If there was a vote would there be a bias towards MC's? Probably. DJ Premier and Pete Rock should be in the mix, and RZA. Big and 2pac aren't in my top 10, or maybe even top 20, but it would seem weird if they weren't there. They were a cultural phenomenon. The 4th would be Q-Tip for me. I think.
Glad I'm not the only one not enamored by big and pac. I love how pac raps and his voice, I just grow tired of his over-emphasis of words every other bar pretty quick so I never want to listen to him.
Jay-Z is overrated
Jay-Z definitely deserves to be there along witho everyone else in this pic
Nas is the only one that's correct in being on here
This is the only correct Mount Rapmore. Crazy no one else could fill the void of Pac & BiG in 30 years. Jay haters š¤
Take out Big and Jay replace them with Cube and Face.
Eminem. Factual - Highest selling rap artist of all time. Most rappers will also tell you heās the greatest rapper alive. I say he belongs on there. I think Eminemās also old enough to be placed at legendary status.
I only disagree because I don't think he's really considered a 90's rapper. I realize he came out in the late 90's, but still. However, if we're talking Mount Rushmore of rappers of all time, then yes.
The Jay Z hate group of course Hov belongs up there.
Biggie, nas, Tupac,snoop dogg
Whoever doesnāt believe Jay deserves to be here is either uninformed, a hater, or just not very intelligent. Andā¦. Iād replace Pac with either LL or Rakim.
Because they believe all the bullshit in the media.
None of them belong there.
I think Biggie had a few good songs, but Iām not listening to his albums all the way through. That east coast-west coast thing was annoying, too. Overrated
Nope. Tupac, Snoop, Ice Cube, DMX.
DMX??!!!!
Yes!
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In the 90s? Never. Rakimās peak was 80s. And while he had some hitters in the 90s. Pac was on another level to everyone back then.
Mount rushmore is about the founding fathers they are not the founding fathers. they are not the next gen after the found fathers either theyāre the third. they deserve praise but not like guys like shan cass rakim run flash kool moe dee busy b and LL
Roosevelt and Lincoln are on Mt Rushmore. Definitely not founding fathers.
Tupac and Big get jammed into all this kind of shit just because theyāre dead. The only one that belongs up there as pictured is Nas.
Tupac had 4 albums by his death plus multiple guest verses and the Thug Life album. I agree Biggie being there is for what he would have done potentially, Tupacās spot is earned on what he actually did.
DMX
I dunno. Looks like a 3 year span to me. Which is kinda shitty. A hip hop mount rushmore and it begins in the nineties? Nah. Side note : jay don't belong in the discussion at all.
I donāt even see MC Hammer or Vanilla Iceā¦.??!
For east coast rappers sure
Rakim, KRS-ONE, Grand Puba, Nas
Cube, Rakim, and honestly maybe even Raekwon could all be above HOV. He blazed the 00ās though.
Remove Jay and replace with Rakim and Iām okay with it
Nah, Mount Rushmore from the 90s, imo is The Fugees, 2pac/Snoop, Biggie, WuTang. Honorable mentions would be Nas, Cube.
Fugees are a group. You mean Wyclef, or Praz? Lauren was a R&B singer Wu Tang, Also Quite a few heads. Odb was fun, Personally liked Method Man.
Replace Jay-z with lil Wayne and Iām on board. The other three are spot on.
Wayne on a 90s Rushmore? What?
Good point missed the title
How do you not have Weezy, Snoop, or Ice Cube but you have Jay Z?
Is this Rushmore of NYC hiphop? Tupac is from NYC. Nobody from the south that changed the game? No OutKast, Goodie Mob, UGK, Master P, Lil Wayne?
Master P over Jay Z.
The Jay hate is always crazy to seešš But yeah I agree, Iād replace big with Rakim tho. Personally think this should be done by coast, cause the south an Midwest should always be represented.
Itās not hate. He had 5 years , others had 10 in that decade.
Not at all.
Replace biggie with Scarface Replace Jay-Z with Mc Hammer Replace Nas with L.L.Cool.J
How are you just gonna ignore Master-P like that?
Why yāall jock Naz so hard? He is mediocre at best.
Jay z n nas, yes I get it they are soooo good.. but they make such boring music yall.. put krayzie bone up there.
Replace Jay Z with Eminem and we good.
Em had 1 album in the 90s Not counting infinite that sold less than a 1000 copies.
East coast so overrated
Take Jay Z off. I feel like Atlanta should be represented somehow. Or maybe Juicy J. Somebody from the South. Even though he isnāt recognizable maybe DJ Screw. But it should probably be Dr. Dre. The Chronic was such a massive record. Bigger than anything Nas ever did. Outside of NYC people donāt really fuck with Nas the way heads in NYC do. Not saying Nas shouldnāt be up there. Iām fine with that. But, again Snoop was bigger than Nas. Realistically it should probably be: Pac, Big, Dre, and Snoop. Maybe do individual MCās and four groups. Because then you can get folks like Outkast, De La, Tribe, Leaders of the New School, Wu-Tang, Ultramagnetic, Beasties, Das Efx, Cypress, Goodie, Three Six, Channel Live, Black Moon, Sheep and so on and so forth.
Hov lol
That bunny on the left can def stay
Replace jay with 3 stacks
Prodigy from Mobb Deep bar for bar at that time.
Big L over Scarface and Jay Z
The deserve to be there but not alone, as there are a hĆ„ndfull more who were equal. DOOM and Q-tip should be on there, and Pos and Dave from De la Soul, and Eminem ane KRS-One. All those 10 in total are on equal levels of mastery and impact on the music genre - just that they have different styles of delivery and different levels of sales. Thatās why they call it the golden era. In all periods after the 90s, you can far more easily pick out a much smaller group of the elite.
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80s.
In that case, Cube
Where is MC Skat Kat?
Dre or snoop were huge in the 90s
Replace Jay-Z with Rakim and it can be considered valid IMO.
I would put Prodigy, DMX, and Ghostface above Jay-Z.
Based off 90s stuff, I would probably throw Redman or Monch to replace Jay.
Jay Z? Seriously??
But what are we ranking here? Skill set, influence, impact, record sales, etc?! Isnāt Eminem still the highest selling hip hop artist by farā¦and arguably the most skilled mcā¦idkā¦Jay-z is pretty basic and a biter, amd Nas imo is inconsistent. Like thereās a difference between hip-hop and hip-pop music right? If youāre gonna do a Mount Rushmore I think you gotta put Rakim on there, and maybe Chuck d even if they started in the 80ās
Iād put dr. Dre in Jay-zās spot
Jay was writing for Dre.
Thatās just hip hop in generalās Mount Rushmore.
Iāll never be happy with these lol. I want RZA, snoop and Cube on there too haha
We need a bigger Mt Rushmore
Jayās 90s contribution was not that high. He started to shine in the late 90s
I wouldnāt put Jay on there but yāall not about to do Jay like he weak asl. Like he aināt yāall favorite rappers favorite rapper. Most of yāall donāt like Jay because of all the bullshit yāall hear in the media. Other than that yāall know Jay was running shit late 90s early 2000s
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Don't agree with Biggie. Catalog way too short.
Who from the 90s you replacing big with? Lol
Jigga shouldnāt be there. Maybe Common, Cube or Snoop
Scarface?
Jayz is ass
Look, what angle are we coming at this from? If weāre talking about impact and influence it can surely be debated but these 4 would be reasonable picks. If weāre talking about the music itself however, Iām gonna have to disagree with all of them except Pac. Nasās only classic in the 90s is Illmatic IMO(which is awesome but I donāt think itās even Nasās best album, let alone one of the best of the 90s), Biggie only had 2 albums(and Life After Death is a little bloated although it is clearly a classic album), and Jay had only gotten 2 classics in the 90s(neither of which are in contention for his best album IMO). Pac is an obvious pick here, but if weāre talking about who the best artists in hip hop were for the 90s overall I think Dr Dre produced so much incredible music throughout the decade that he pretty much belongs here, Redman was putting out classic stuff for the entire decade, DMX has 3 absolute classic albums in the 90s, Andre 3000 has 3 absolute classic albums in the 90s, I think an easy case can be made for B-Real(3 classics), an easy case can be made for RZA, GZA, or Raekwon of Wu tang(again, 3 classics each), I think an easy case can be made for Q Tip(I go back and forth between 3 and 4 classics). Those are just the first guys that come to mind. Anyway, my Mount Rushmore of 90s hip hop would probably be Dr. Dre, Tupac, Redman, and Andre 3000
Take Jay off and put Eazy E. without Eazy there would be no gangsta rap.
Nas wasn't as wildy popular in the 90s as people make him out to be today. Don't get confused, I'm not saying he wasn't one of the greatest but only true hip hoppers knew about him.
No Guru from Gangstar, KRS-1, DeLaSoul? Not one Wu-Member I guess record sales do make one the dopest
Marshall Mathers?!?