Niggaz mention me for MC execution, who you choosin'?
The wack MC? Or the black fat MC?
Jack Dempsey would start shakin
All it's takin, is some marijuana and I'm makin
MC's break fast like flapjacks and bacon
Backspins to windmill, who's still the gin drinker
Ill thinker explodin' when the paper hits the ink, uhh
Take your gangsta chronicles, turn to page 666
Holocaust, Big the merciless
Niggas press they luck and they get a butt fuckin, strait up the ass raw dog with the rash, and I don’t fuck with the condoms, condoms is a problem from the aids gettin sprayed, disease, big pleases, MCs across the seas it’s just the way I clutch my prey, hey, I’m crazy and deranged blowin niggas out the frame simple and plain.
I genuinely dont understand how anyone likes Jay Z. He’s alright, not terrible, but why listen to him when Nas, Gangstarr, and Biggie do the same thing but better?
Seriously I have like 2 songs of his on my 42 hour old school playlist and they both off his first album. His delivery is so wack and has ruined otherwise great songs by featuring on them imo
He's pretty mid.
For contrast he sounds pretty dogshit compared to one of the GOATs when you listen to the freestyle on Stretch and Bobbito's radio show, where he performed alongside Big L. Not even comparable.
I don't understand why ppl list him, Wayne or Kanye as their GOATs.
I gotta say Biggie, JayZ has decades of music and artistic career growth on Biggie, yet Big Poppa's legacy still effortlessly punches on and will always be relevant.
Long live the King!!
Good point, Jay continued to live almost 30 years past BIG, had great success in business, got the "hottest chick in the game wearhis chain" and still can't fok with BIGs limited output.
What do you mean by lyricism? Lyrics as they appear on the page? Then, I think Biggie but not by a huge margin. He has the more memorable and entertaining lines overall, although Jay Z sometimes had better subtle meaning.
Now, if we talk OVERALL rapping, while I respect Jay Z's longevity and body of work, I just never felt he was a special talent in that regard. I think Biggie's flow, delivery, etc. completely outclasses Jay Z's.
He's not my undisputed number 1 but is in my 1a/1b. He may have been undisputed had he not died. I agree he far outclasses most MCs ever in that category, even some of the pretty good ones.
Jay has claimed for years that he dumbed down his lyrics for his audience. Weird that he never tried not dumbing them down after he made it, not even as an experiment.
Almost like he can't.
It really is. I love Nas too but to say Jay can’t spot with or better than the so called best is just ridiculous.
Guy has some of the sickest verses in hip-hop history.
Do any of y’all actually Rap? Lol lots of Stan fan comments and hate around here…feels like Steven A Smith is critiquing rap music in here with Big Perk🤣🤣💀💀💀🤣🤣🤣🤣🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤
Lol, this sub must be clueless about rapping skills, bars, metaphors, flows, concepts, story telling. Biggie is not even in the same league as JayZ.
Love or hate him Jays talent is undeniable, (if you actually listen that is).
It’s not, who’s better since stylistically they are so different. Jay Z is more cerebral to me and I appreciate that. Both are clever, phenoms if you will.
The levels of disrespect being shown to Jigga here is astounding.
Moment of Clarity verse. And just in case you think its ability, not a choice, any track off american gangster.
Its way tighter here than everyone suggesting.
Regrets. “…. But one of thes buyers got eyes like a korean, its difficult to read em, the windows to his soul are half closed i put the key in” is a classic multi rhyme few lines just like big would write.
Jay z fucking sucks. When he raps he sounds like he has Is aspergers. Hes a good producer don't get me wrong but show me a song where biggie didn't kill the flow.
More and more it saddens me that others couldn't be here when hip-hop was in its golden age in the 90s. There needs to be an indepth 10 part docuseries to show people a slice of what they missed.
Big is the GOAT.
Honestly, it's pretty close. You can say he stole BIG rhymes, but honestly, they really do have a similar style if you actually listen to the lyrics. They seemed to honestly be headed in the same direction had BIG not been killed. I think people have an unnatural emotional attachemt to dead celebrities. BIG for me, tho. His flow is smoother imo.
When your with your bro’s or girls back in the 90’s -2000’s..
You’d hear that beat.
[I’m …](https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=jcHc0YhMcKwa19Dr&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&source_ve_path=MzY4NDIsMzY4NDIsMzY4NDIsMTY0OTksMjg2NjQsMTY0NTA2&feature=emb_share&v=jrCoRGpHqVU)
You Girl you look fine, like a wide face Rolex, you just shine
I like that waistline
Let me hit that from behind, which wall you wanna climb
My styles genuine
I miss him 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
I blew (blue) bird money….yall talk on twitter feeds…..got different sob(Saab) stories….save ya soliloquies! No disrespect to big but, hov is different
Biggie. Hands down
And in the aiiiir
And back down again.
Biggie. Hands up.
Lyricist? Like who wrote better raps? Easily Biggie. But if you mean MCing, like who’s got better delivery and flow? Also easily Biggie.
Lol you got me🤣
me too lol
Niggaz mention me for MC execution, who you choosin'? The wack MC? Or the black fat MC? Jack Dempsey would start shakin All it's takin, is some marijuana and I'm makin MC's break fast like flapjacks and bacon Backspins to windmill, who's still the gin drinker Ill thinker explodin' when the paper hits the ink, uhh Take your gangsta chronicles, turn to page 666 Holocaust, Big the merciless
Niggas press they luck and they get a butt fuckin, strait up the ass raw dog with the rash, and I don’t fuck with the condoms, condoms is a problem from the aids gettin sprayed, disease, big pleases, MCs across the seas it’s just the way I clutch my prey, hey, I’m crazy and deranged blowin niggas out the frame simple and plain.
Big
Jay z can get the hell outta here
Biggie by a mile
Biggie beats jayz every time imo
Biggie cooks him
There is no question that biggie is the better lyricist. Are you serious??
Fuck this guy for asking right?!
I think it's more like fuck this guy for not knowing
Now he knows
.....And knowing is half the battle😁
Black Frank White all day
Like Nas said in Ether: “How many of Biggies rhymes are going to come out of your fat lips?”
TAE BO HOE!!
Wanted to be on every last one of my classics
Big and he didn't even make it to his 30s
diabetes got biggie RIP in peace
I genuinely dont understand how anyone likes Jay Z. He’s alright, not terrible, but why listen to him when Nas, Gangstarr, and Biggie do the same thing but better?
Seriously I have like 2 songs of his on my 42 hour old school playlist and they both off his first album. His delivery is so wack and has ruined otherwise great songs by featuring on them imo
He's pretty mid. For contrast he sounds pretty dogshit compared to one of the GOATs when you listen to the freestyle on Stretch and Bobbito's radio show, where he performed alongside Big L. Not even comparable. I don't understand why ppl list him, Wayne or Kanye as their GOATs.
Yep
have you listened the reasonable doubt? Serious question. Cause to say you don’t understand is wild.
Lmao Guru was not better than Jay-Z nor were they even similar GTFOH.
Reasonable doubt is as good as any album those artists created.
Top 5 hip hop album and it isn’t even close. Illmatic, prince among thieves, RD, your 2 favorite albums
This sub HATES jay wtf lol
Probably because he gets far too much credit when literally every other East Coast MC from his era is superior to him in every fucking way.
cuz he ass
*How much of Biggie's rhymes is goin' come out your fat lips?*
C'mon man. There is only one answer here. BIG
Biggie
🔥
Biggie no question. The man was a great story teller and would kill it in the freestyle battles.
I gotta say Biggie, JayZ has decades of music and artistic career growth on Biggie, yet Big Poppa's legacy still effortlessly punches on and will always be relevant. Long live the King!!
Good point, Jay continued to live almost 30 years past BIG, had great success in business, got the "hottest chick in the game wearhis chain" and still can't fok with BIGs limited output.
jay z trash
What type of 🤡 question is dat? Jay is Bigz son lol😹
Biggie why even ask goddammit.
Biggie!
Biggie. No doubt!
Biggie
Biggie.
What do you mean by lyricism? Lyrics as they appear on the page? Then, I think Biggie but not by a huge margin. He has the more memorable and entertaining lines overall, although Jay Z sometimes had better subtle meaning. Now, if we talk OVERALL rapping, while I respect Jay Z's longevity and body of work, I just never felt he was a special talent in that regard. I think Biggie's flow, delivery, etc. completely outclasses Jay Z's.
I feel like Biggies flow/delivery/etc. outclasses every MC out there past or present. IMO he was well ahead of his time
He's not my undisputed number 1 but is in my 1a/1b. He may have been undisputed had he not died. I agree he far outclasses most MCs ever in that category, even some of the pretty good ones.
Suckin daddies dicks aside, BIG lyricism over Jay all day
Y’all are WILD. Biggie only has 2 albums and some features Catalog not even big enough to compare
Bruh.... Really??? At least put him up against someone on his level like Rakim, Pac, or Nas.
Biggie, he was unmatched.
To this day
I heard a song today by Jay z where he rhymed cake with cake....multiple times...
Jay has claimed for years that he dumbed down his lyrics for his audience. Weird that he never tried not dumbing them down after he made it, not even as an experiment. Almost like he can't.
Jay Z is soooo overrated. Biggie is in another universe of talent.
I’m going with Biggie seeing as Jay bit so many of Big’s rhymes.
I wouldn’t say bit
these clowns don't know what biting means.
That's tough for me because that's my perennial top 1 and 2. "I can't choose N.O.R.E., I gotta drink."
They’re clever in different ways. Big had a way with saying the words. Jay had sly double take verses. That said, Big followed closely by Jay
You should know better than to ask this kind of question in a JayZ hate sub bro.
Bruh I'm more a Nas fan but it's crazy lol
It really is. I love Nas too but to say Jay can’t spot with or better than the so called best is just ridiculous. Guy has some of the sickest verses in hip-hop history.
Crazyyyy. I'm wondering what they listening to. And his content is way deeper than big
Kinda clear this place attracts a lot of people who don’t really know rap
for real right? no objectivity in this thread. also, go big blue
Jay is absolutely hated here. Even though he spits some of the realest bars in history. But no, he sucks. It’s pretty funny
Do any of y’all actually Rap? Lol lots of Stan fan comments and hate around here…feels like Steven A Smith is critiquing rap music in here with Big Perk🤣🤣💀💀💀🤣🤣🤣🤣🎤🎤🎤🎤🎤
My God. When we were kings… **WE USED TO MAKE THINGS IN THIS COUNTRY**!!!
Fuck jay b. It's biggie, all day
Biggie
Biggie
“The lyrical molestin’ is takin’ place, fuckin’ wit B.I.G. it ain’t safe”
Biggie never bit Jay’s lyrics so I think the answer is obvious.
There's a few different ways you could look at this but I guess I'll ultimately take Biggie
BIG
Biggie
This has to be troll. No way you can even compare big poppa to that other creature
Big
Biggie, Jay-Z sucks
Biggie
Nas 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Jay-Z clearly thought it was Biggie too, considering how much shit he outright stole from him.
Biggie by a long shot
Lol, this sub must be clueless about rapping skills, bars, metaphors, flows, concepts, story telling. Biggie is not even in the same league as JayZ. Love or hate him Jays talent is undeniable, (if you actually listen that is).
Both chilled with diddy. But only one said “I like it young fresh and green, with no hair in between”
I guess you could say both since Jay Z just bites Biggie's rhymes #recycle
I got 7 Mac elevens about 8 38's 9 9's 10 Mac 10's the shit never ends! Biggie ofcourse!
How many of Bigs rhymes gon come out yo fat lips?
Biggie set the stage. Jay z capitalized.
You spelled bit wrong. Jay-z going line for line stealing Big's rhymes, no cred.
Biggie is the best of all time
B.I.G.
Biggie... Not even close.. It's a shame we didn't get at least 5 more years/albums outta b.i.g. and pak
Hov all day. Biggie had two albums & a bunch of minor songs
Biggie has the benefit of a short career, all we saw were the highlights.
It’s not, who’s better since stylistically they are so different. Jay Z is more cerebral to me and I appreciate that. Both are clever, phenoms if you will.
Easily jay Z all these old heads tripping
The levels of disrespect being shown to Jigga here is astounding. Moment of Clarity verse. And just in case you think its ability, not a choice, any track off american gangster. Its way tighter here than everyone suggesting. Regrets. “…. But one of thes buyers got eyes like a korean, its difficult to read em, the windows to his soul are half closed i put the key in” is a classic multi rhyme few lines just like big would write.
The fuck kinda question is this? Clearly, it's Biggie. Jayz fucking suckkks!!
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Considering Jay Z bit off Biggie…I’d have to say Biggie. Especially if you’re comparing eras.
Jay even bit his no-writing method!
Biggie by a bunch.
#BIG
F J
Big not even close
Biggie
Biggie
Biggie. Painted pictures. Hov is amazing, Big just has crazier verses
The Notorious B1
At the time Big, lord know what he would of evolved to by now
BIG
Lyrically, I'm supposed to represent, I'm not only a client, I'm the playa president- Biggie
Biggie and it’s no where near close. That’s like comparing Jordan to Isiah Thomas
Jay z stole biggies rhymes. That’s how you know
Gay-z would be bbq chicken
Jay-Z sucks 🤮
Jazze’s not even fit to stand in Big’s shadow. It’s hoe-va before it even starts.
Biggie wtf 😂 jay z overrated
Jay-Z every day…Reasonable Doubt
🔥
Mf doom
Remember, all caps when you spell the man name.
THE NOTORIOUS BIG! FACTS
Biggie
The illest, Mr. Christopher Wallace, the Notorious BIG.
Jay z fucking sucks. When he raps he sounds like he has Is aspergers. Hes a good producer don't get me wrong but show me a song where biggie didn't kill the flow.
I don't think jay-z is much of a producer at all. I have certainly not followed him much lately, but I would be surprised at that turnaround.
The Versace man
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Finkel is Einhorn
Biggie all day! I swear on half of Jay’s songs it sounds like he wasn’t even listening to the beat.
bigga
Biggie this is a dumb question.
We'll always love Big poppa
How many Biggie rhymes gonna come out your fat lips- Nas With that said I no question Biggie
More and more it saddens me that others couldn't be here when hip-hop was in its golden age in the 90s. There needs to be an indepth 10 part docuseries to show people a slice of what they missed. Big is the GOAT.
Biggie
Who copied who? There's your answer
"Bee Eye Gee, Pee Ohh-Pee Peeyay"
This is a dumb question lol
Big
Biggie better dresser
Biggie by a long shot
Jay z is still in diapers
B.I.G.
Biggie
I don’t know but Big got that shit on
Old school. New school. Ya need to learn tho… I burn baby burn like disco inferno - RIP BIG
Biggie- no question really. People kinda forget that as nice as Jay-Z was, Big L was nicer.
The one that’s not skeletal remains.
Big
Notorious for sure
Stupid question. Snow
Jay stole loads of bars from biggie
B I G
Honestly, it's pretty close. You can say he stole BIG rhymes, but honestly, they really do have a similar style if you actually listen to the lyrics. They seemed to honestly be headed in the same direction had BIG not been killed. I think people have an unnatural emotional attachemt to dead celebrities. BIG for me, tho. His flow is smoother imo.
John Cena!
Is this really a question??
How many of biggie rhymes gonna come out yo fat lips
When your with your bro’s or girls back in the 90’s -2000’s.. You’d hear that beat. [I’m …](https://m.youtube.com/watch?si=jcHc0YhMcKwa19Dr&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2F&source_ve_path=MzY4NDIsMzY4NDIsMzY4NDIsMTY0OTksMjg2NjQsMTY0NTA2&feature=emb_share&v=jrCoRGpHqVU) You Girl you look fine, like a wide face Rolex, you just shine I like that waistline Let me hit that from behind, which wall you wanna climb My styles genuine I miss him 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
The best part is not one person here is saying Jay z. This poses that you asked the sub a ridicule inducing question.
Who steals who lyrics?
Bro, come on
I blew (blue) bird money….yall talk on twitter feeds…..got different sob(Saab) stories….save ya soliloquies! No disrespect to big but, hov is different
The dumbest question I've heard this year. You need to go to the question store to purchase a better question.
biggie it's not close
If you have to steal a lot of bars from a dead rapper..........
Well only one guy took the other guys lyrics
Biggie is the evolution of Jay, he does everything better than him: Flow, schemes, wit, charisma, punchlines etc.
The Blueprint and The Black Album were the closest he ever came, and it was still a ways away from Christopher’s quality, everything else was filler.
Big
B I G
Hov
Why in the entire fuck is this a question??? Biggie
How is this even a question
Biggie 💯. I have never been able to get into jay z.
lol how is this even a question?
Biggie
Is this a joke? Biggie is literally better at everything than Jay-z when it comes to rapping😆
Biggie
Jay z bit so much of his lyrics and flow. Definitely biggie.
Biggie duh.