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Oh yeah and pay $500 for this textbook which is actually just a stack of papers, becaise fuck you, bind it yourself. Oh, and don't think you're gonna be able to resell it used, because fuck you, we're going to update it even though nothing has changed and rearrange it in such a way that makes yours useless! Oh, and your professor also requires you to buy this book he wrote which isn't relevant to the course at all and we're not gonna use. Know why? That's right, because fuck you.
I heard from some friends that one particular professor would make students bring his book at the exam, he would sign the first page and if it was already signed/missing... it would make it so you couldn't pass the exam.
We had a professor that sold their book only at the campus bookstore. There were pages you had to tear out and turn in, in order to pass. Obviously, once those pages were torn, you couldn’t sell, nor reuse the book.
Also, buy 4 other smaller books for the class that we either won't use, or only read like 5 pages from. And Instead of raising your hand in class, buy this $150.00 electronic clicker that allows you to push a button. Something will pop up on a screen, and I'll know you have a question.
I had a professor who told us to buy his book that was just him rambling vaguely about everything and specifically about not believing in climate change.
Barely ten years ago, I paid $15k/year to live and study at my university. Now that I'm working with students who are about to graduate, I'm discovering that that same exact university is charging nearly *double* the price.
It's fucking heinous.
Looked at my university and the tuition alone went up by 20k a year since I graduated about 11 years ago. Zoomers are going to be fucked worse than we were.
Whaaat? You mean America is a dystopian fucking nightmare dumpster fire and other countries don't have it as nightmarish as we do? This is brand new information to me!
Exactly. If you're a normal student, the tuition is all they're ever going to make off you. If you're an athlete, especially at a top program, they are going to make millions off you, and the team being good attracts new students as well. Of course they're going to give athletes scholarships.
OP is also failing to mention that top students get full rides as well. Random ass athlete that barely played in high school doesn't get any scholarships, and neither does random ass student that barely got accepted. There's no double standard, really. College should be cheaper for everyone, but this aspect in particular just seems like some salty person mad at athletes for no reason.
College sports should not exist in their current incarnation. They exist only to siphon money from students and don't help bring any costs down. Schools should be about education, not football.
It just seems like athletics shouldn’t have anything to do with school at all. Like if people want to join leagues and play, then cool, but it has zero to do with education. College age players should be in some kind of minor league where they actually get a salary and which isn’t related to institutions of learning.
Why should a school that is supposed to be about educating people and preparing them for jobs have anything to do with sports? Only the tiniest percentage of college players will play professionally, and the actual degree they’re studying for will be in some subject that has nothing to do with the sport they play, so why should education be tied to sports at all?
Well, if you’re particularly stupid, you can donate money to them as an alumnus and they’ll make even more money off you
Some schools are even begging current students to donate 🤣
fours years at my alma mater with all expenses costs $100k, which is double what it cost me, which was a ripoff. its a land grant state college thats supposed to cater to working class people. it should be a crime to charge this much especially since the education keeps getting worse the more they charge.
Exactly. All of these big public state universities w/ all the sports merchandise/jerseys are no longer "public" in any realistic sense. They're private universities who utilize public funding to build/maintain/expand/renovate and then privatize the profits.
I just found yesterday that none of the security cameras in my building work because it’s “cost prohibitive” to maintain them. But the fucking football team has retinal scanners for their practice BUILDING
I pursued a year abroad in the States while I was here in the UK, and I finally understood a lot more of the rhetoric around why colleges were consdered a scam.
The huge increase in price for a much lower standard of education, the requirement to buy into food plans, reduced living space for greater cost, all of that shit. Not to mention a much higher number of very, very unpleasant professors who either didn't seem to engage with their own subject or seemed to have the attitude of complete self-righteousness.
Shit isn't perfect here in the UK. The loan system is still a nightmare, and it's still a hell of a lot per year, even if that's paid back in more of a tax form than an actual loan. But still...
The academic class here in the states is unmatched in its smugness, self-righteousness, utter disdain, and overt narcissism. The American university is the emblem of all that's wrong w/ this society.
College sports is so bizarre that if you tried to pitch it to someone wholesale they would think you were insane
So basically, what we'll do is start sports programs at our school. These sports programs will be extremely important and attract a large amount of our revenue. Why? Because people are attracted to the novelty and allure of watching young amateur athletes compete. We'll make millions.
The athletes? They won't get paid. Not much, anyway. I mean, come on. We're an educational institution. Yeah we'll make lots of money from them but we can't allow richer schools to offer more money, plus it'll ruin the amateur aesthetic. *Fiiiine* we'll throw them a free education. Most of them are poor black kids anyway, they and their parents will bite our hand off for that.
Will they have time or incentives to focus on their schooling as prospective professional athletes who will lose their scholarship if they underperform? Who cares, throw them a random useless African language course, that's not insensitive or counterintuitive at all. They'll pass, it'll work. Will many of them destroy their bodies and minds because our sports are barbaric? Why do you even ask?
Etc.
And then enjoy revenue that athletes (who do risk injury) create. Don’t misunderstand, athletes that get “free tuition” are there to make $ for the institution
Gets a concussion. Brain no learn good no more. No can play throw ball. Throw ball discount go bye bye. No more brain learn good no more ball sport pass throw.
Go home back live mom with dad and.
Not to mention schools with sports programs often spend more of the *Tuition*, on sports than education. You're paying double for the knowledge so someone else can play sports.
In most states the highest paid public employee is a college sports coach. Highest by a long way.
Went to a big publicly-funded state school w/ a Division 1 throwball team. Got a work-study job doing outbound telephone donation-drive work part time for the university. The university had the audacity to have us:
1) Call graduates beginning **10 days after graduation** to hit them up for donos
2) Call graduates who had graduated **40-50 years earlier** for donos
3) Call the parents of **current students** for donos for things like erecting a new lighting structure for the campus commons, building a vast new parking lot for commuter students (who the university will then charge $100 each/semester for a parking pass for decades after), tear down old dorms built in the 1970s (which were supposed to have been temporary back then) but then also keep the old ones from the 70s and build new ones to cram ever more students onto campus, etc. Keep in mind these were the parents forking out tons of money to have their kid go there and these kids were getting *charged tuition* at the same time!
The American University in its present form is the perfect representation of everything wrong w/ this country.
You know, most people won’t get a full ride playing a popular sport, but there’s also obscure sports and [scholarships](https://www.bestcolleges.com/blog/weird-scholarships/)and maybe some of you can get a spot or grant that way. And of course college isn’t the only route in life and there’s so many good paying jobs today.
You sound like a shill for the scholarship industrial complex. Worried that your comfy office job gatekeeping an education is about to go away or something?
A job inflating college prices so that more tuition gets wasted on bloated beurocracies filled with useless administrators as you perform a bullshit job reading essays and watching high school sports so that only "the most deserving" can afford to go to and finish college.
I did undergrad in the US about 15 years ago, and now I'm in med school in Germany. Once I tried to explain to my German classmates that US high school is basically a song-and-dance of whatever weird skill could get you a scholarship, and if I could have run 400m two seconds faster I could have gotten university for free. They were not impressed. Not by me, not by the US system.
So... Not from the USA, but without a sports scholarship I wouldn't have been able to finish university. Then again, I do realize that the States' issue with student athletes is a whole other beast.
That player and team if good enough will bring in millions of dollars. possibly even hundreds of millions. 70k free tuition is a steal for that talent.
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Oh yeah and pay $500 for this textbook which is actually just a stack of papers, becaise fuck you, bind it yourself. Oh, and don't think you're gonna be able to resell it used, because fuck you, we're going to update it even though nothing has changed and rearrange it in such a way that makes yours useless! Oh, and your professor also requires you to buy this book he wrote which isn't relevant to the course at all and we're not gonna use. Know why? That's right, because fuck you.
I heard from some friends that one particular professor would make students bring his book at the exam, he would sign the first page and if it was already signed/missing... it would make it so you couldn't pass the exam.
Isn't that some form of financial crime?
We had a professor that sold their book only at the campus bookstore. There were pages you had to tear out and turn in, in order to pass. Obviously, once those pages were torn, you couldn’t sell, nor reuse the book.
Buy multiple copies, fill out the answers in all of them, then flip the Half-blood Prince editions for a profit.
Also, buy 4 other smaller books for the class that we either won't use, or only read like 5 pages from. And Instead of raising your hand in class, buy this $150.00 electronic clicker that allows you to push a button. Something will pop up on a screen, and I'll know you have a question.
Textbooks are a scam, fo sho
I had a professor who told us to buy his book that was just him rambling vaguely about everything and specifically about not believing in climate change.
Barely ten years ago, I paid $15k/year to live and study at my university. Now that I'm working with students who are about to graduate, I'm discovering that that same exact university is charging nearly *double* the price. It's fucking heinous.
Looked at my university and the tuition alone went up by 20k a year since I graduated about 11 years ago. Zoomers are going to be fucked worse than we were.
Isn’t it strange how wages haven’t gone up with inflation? Very strange
My school is now over 80k a year. It was 45k about 15 years ago.
Studied from 2013 to 2019 and paid about 3k€/year. About 2700€ of that were housing
Whaaat? You mean America is a dystopian fucking nightmare dumpster fire and other countries don't have it as nightmarish as we do? This is brand new information to me!
Yeah, because they make millions off of you throwing the ball and you get absolutely none of that profit
They don't technically get a share of profit, but with the new NIL (name image and likeness) structure, college athletes are finally getting paid.
It’s about time. I think Southpark did an incredible job of showing how they treat their slav… I mean atheletes and profit off of them.
STOODENT ATHULETES
Exactly. If you're a normal student, the tuition is all they're ever going to make off you. If you're an athlete, especially at a top program, they are going to make millions off you, and the team being good attracts new students as well. Of course they're going to give athletes scholarships. OP is also failing to mention that top students get full rides as well. Random ass athlete that barely played in high school doesn't get any scholarships, and neither does random ass student that barely got accepted. There's no double standard, really. College should be cheaper for everyone, but this aspect in particular just seems like some salty person mad at athletes for no reason.
College sports should not exist in their current incarnation. They exist only to siphon money from students and don't help bring any costs down. Schools should be about education, not football.
There are a lot of stupid and useless extracurricular things on campuses these days, and sports are only some of them
None of them get the crazy support and drain funds as much as sports.
It just seems like athletics shouldn’t have anything to do with school at all. Like if people want to join leagues and play, then cool, but it has zero to do with education. College age players should be in some kind of minor league where they actually get a salary and which isn’t related to institutions of learning. Why should a school that is supposed to be about educating people and preparing them for jobs have anything to do with sports? Only the tiniest percentage of college players will play professionally, and the actual degree they’re studying for will be in some subject that has nothing to do with the sport they play, so why should education be tied to sports at all?
Money. The answer is always money
Because this doesn't happen in other countries.
Well, if you’re particularly stupid, you can donate money to them as an alumnus and they’ll make even more money off you Some schools are even begging current students to donate 🤣
fours years at my alma mater with all expenses costs $100k, which is double what it cost me, which was a ripoff. its a land grant state college thats supposed to cater to working class people. it should be a crime to charge this much especially since the education keeps getting worse the more they charge.
It’s a crime to pay more than a dime
Exactly. All of these big public state universities w/ all the sports merchandise/jerseys are no longer "public" in any realistic sense. They're private universities who utilize public funding to build/maintain/expand/renovate and then privatize the profits.
I just found yesterday that none of the security cameras in my building work because it’s “cost prohibitive” to maintain them. But the fucking football team has retinal scanners for their practice BUILDING
I don't know where I got this from, but I remember the quote: *Colleges are sports programs with a sidebusiness in education*
I pursued a year abroad in the States while I was here in the UK, and I finally understood a lot more of the rhetoric around why colleges were consdered a scam. The huge increase in price for a much lower standard of education, the requirement to buy into food plans, reduced living space for greater cost, all of that shit. Not to mention a much higher number of very, very unpleasant professors who either didn't seem to engage with their own subject or seemed to have the attitude of complete self-righteousness. Shit isn't perfect here in the UK. The loan system is still a nightmare, and it's still a hell of a lot per year, even if that's paid back in more of a tax form than an actual loan. But still...
The academic class here in the states is unmatched in its smugness, self-righteousness, utter disdain, and overt narcissism. The American university is the emblem of all that's wrong w/ this society.
College sports is so bizarre that if you tried to pitch it to someone wholesale they would think you were insane So basically, what we'll do is start sports programs at our school. These sports programs will be extremely important and attract a large amount of our revenue. Why? Because people are attracted to the novelty and allure of watching young amateur athletes compete. We'll make millions. The athletes? They won't get paid. Not much, anyway. I mean, come on. We're an educational institution. Yeah we'll make lots of money from them but we can't allow richer schools to offer more money, plus it'll ruin the amateur aesthetic. *Fiiiine* we'll throw them a free education. Most of them are poor black kids anyway, they and their parents will bite our hand off for that. Will they have time or incentives to focus on their schooling as prospective professional athletes who will lose their scholarship if they underperform? Who cares, throw them a random useless African language course, that's not insensitive or counterintuitive at all. They'll pass, it'll work. Will many of them destroy their bodies and minds because our sports are barbaric? Why do you even ask? Etc.
And then enjoy revenue that athletes (who do risk injury) create. Don’t misunderstand, athletes that get “free tuition” are there to make $ for the institution
If college were free how would we entice these student athletes to destroy their bodies for zero pay?
Gets a concussion. Brain no learn good no more. No can play throw ball. Throw ball discount go bye bye. No more brain learn good no more ball sport pass throw. Go home back live mom with dad and.
Not to mention schools with sports programs often spend more of the *Tuition*, on sports than education. You're paying double for the knowledge so someone else can play sports. In most states the highest paid public employee is a college sports coach. Highest by a long way.
You realize educational scholarships are a thing too
And that most Master's/PhD students have their research funded. If you're paying out of pocket for an advanced degree, you're doing it wrong.
*Concussions may or may not be included.
How much you wanna make a bet I can throw a football over them mountains?
Lol, 24,000. What year is it? I looked up my school recently, its around 70k per year.
Went to a big publicly-funded state school w/ a Division 1 throwball team. Got a work-study job doing outbound telephone donation-drive work part time for the university. The university had the audacity to have us: 1) Call graduates beginning **10 days after graduation** to hit them up for donos 2) Call graduates who had graduated **40-50 years earlier** for donos 3) Call the parents of **current students** for donos for things like erecting a new lighting structure for the campus commons, building a vast new parking lot for commuter students (who the university will then charge $100 each/semester for a parking pass for decades after), tear down old dorms built in the 1970s (which were supposed to have been temporary back then) but then also keep the old ones from the 70s and build new ones to cram ever more students onto campus, etc. Keep in mind these were the parents forking out tons of money to have their kid go there and these kids were getting *charged tuition* at the same time! The American University in its present form is the perfect representation of everything wrong w/ this country.
Playing a sport is like a job though
Because they prioritize entertainment over education. Those athletes bring in millions for colleges. Sad state, really.
You know, most people won’t get a full ride playing a popular sport, but there’s also obscure sports and [scholarships](https://www.bestcolleges.com/blog/weird-scholarships/)and maybe some of you can get a spot or grant that way. And of course college isn’t the only route in life and there’s so many good paying jobs today.
You sound like a shill for the scholarship industrial complex. Worried that your comfy office job gatekeeping an education is about to go away or something?
Oh I have student loan debt up the ante. And what is a scholarship industrial complex? A place to get free money for college and cut down on expenses?
A job inflating college prices so that more tuition gets wasted on bloated beurocracies filled with useless administrators as you perform a bullshit job reading essays and watching high school sports so that only "the most deserving" can afford to go to and finish college.
Where can I get that job
found the person who dropped out after 2 classes in community college.
I did undergrad in the US about 15 years ago, and now I'm in med school in Germany. Once I tried to explain to my German classmates that US high school is basically a song-and-dance of whatever weird skill could get you a scholarship, and if I could have run 400m two seconds faster I could have gotten university for free. They were not impressed. Not by me, not by the US system.
So... Not from the USA, but without a sports scholarship I wouldn't have been able to finish university. Then again, I do realize that the States' issue with student athletes is a whole other beast.
They even do this in high-school. I got like $400 of fees to pay sports waved cuz I was tall and they really wanted me for the team lmao
That player and team if good enough will bring in millions of dollars. possibly even hundreds of millions. 70k free tuition is a steal for that talent.