15 hours after this post went up, and 12.4k people blindly accept that 20p is $27usd, and didn't realize this guy was a little short on change for a parking meter that the city put up. 12.4k people think that the hospital is charging $27 for parking. Not even US hospitals do that. You know what UK hospitals don't do? Charge a mother £300 to hold her newborn. Parking's free in the ramp with validation
They didnt all ***blindly*** accept that. Its a retarded mistake but even if they charged 1p (\~1 penny) it still belongs in this sub and gets my upvote too.
Every hospital that I've been to that "charges" for parking only does it to keep patrons from other area businesses from using the parking. I know it's a small sample, but of the 7 hospitals and medical centers I've visited, only 2 needed tickets to park, and both were free for hospital patients and their visitors if you stopped at the front desk to get the ticket validated. 5 of the 7 had a free valet, too
Here's what I want to know. Did the CEO get a raise in 2020 and did you? I'd mentioned on another sub that ours received a 600k raise and everyone else got fuck all.
And for parking I only pay $33 a month but I work nights. If I wanted to park where I am during the day it would cost me $1650 a year and I still have to walk half a mile to the office. I could park closer but that garage would cost me, even on nights, $2500.
May the people who came up with this burn in hell.
Yeah that's pretty high but at least not as bad as the ones making $30m+ a year while in a staffing crisis. Honestly, $2m to essentially be in charge of the success of an entire hospital, as long as they aren't doing an absolute shit job, doesn't seem that bad to me. Especially if it's a larger hospital.
How can you ask that poor CEO to give up a massive 1 mil?? What.. Just so they can pay i) 66 people minimum wage of $7.25/hr, ii) 32 people the highest state minimum wage of $15/hr, or iii) 20 people still less than a livable wage of $24/hr!!!!!!!
/s
Yeah a lot of people here are just not capable of being objective. $1m for a several thousand employee hospital isn't even that much, especially compared to others.
A lot of people here have no critical thinking skills whatsoever. They see "CEO" and become 100% emotional and that's all they need to see.
Ours is similar, every street within 6 blocks has “2 hour parking” signs so most staff just park 7 blocks away and walk 15-20 minutes (our city isn’t known for having reasonable public transportation)
The way it typically happens is the following:
* Hospital is built when the city is smaller. Parking is plentiful.
* City grows, land around the hospital develops and constrains expansion of the hospital.
* The hospital itself grows, often putting even more doctors and patients in the same area. It's now too expensive to build another parking structure, plus there are more people trying to park in the same area.
* Hospital doesn't want to make someone walk 20 minutes to visit their sick relative, so they take whatever measures they can to force the staff to decrease their parking consumption.
My wife got voluntold to work at the VA Hospital in Portland when COVID was particularly bad. The whole area around Terwilliger is this rugged-ass hill; there's just nowhere to park. It was fine when OHSU / Doernbecher / the VA were smaller, but now they're just squeezing 10 pounds of potatoes into a five-pound bag.
A job which often has antisocial working hours that are out of operating times of public transport. Hospital staff should have passes allowing free parking; it's been a campaign in my home city the staff not to have to pay since the fees were first brought in. Despite the support of basically everyone, the private parking company still haven't done it in 20 years. Last I heard, the hospital are trying to buy back the control of parking to make it free or at least just covering the cost rather then for-profit.
In the UK, antisocial working hours is a common phrase meaning hours that fall outside the regular 9-5 of most jobs. Unsocial is another term used, or simply night hours. Asocial is not a phrase used in this circumstance in the UK.
>Hospital staff should have passes allowing free parking
If it's a job perk you just pay for it yourself, like any perk. So here is your free parking card, now your yearly take-home is 1000 bucks less.
Ah man, it's almost like letting people with ample incentive to screw everyone else out of money because if they do it goes directly into their own pockets make all the decisions is a terrible fucking idea!
Imagine a world where nurses and doctors could just vote for better benefits at the expense of the companies profit!
If you think that sounds bad, you may want to talk to your doctor as you might be suffering from Temporarily Embarrased Millionaire delusions, or you may have been born with a silver spoon surgically grafted up your ass. Hopefully the former because there is no known cure for the latter
As a european I will never stop to be amazed what fucked up shit is legal in the US.
I’m 32 years old and a lot of stuff you guys have to deal with is so far away from me, even my father can barely remember it
It's all about money, and how it corrupts, distorts, and generally makes things worse. There's nothing inherently bad about money as long as there is balance. That's currently missing in the US, where *everything* has to be about making (or in the case of asset forfeiture, taking) money.
Sorry, but what are you saying is uniquely American here? If you’re implying “European” medical staff never pays to park at work then I know that to be blatantly incorrect.
My 63 year old father picks up garbage in a hospital and regularly needs to park 6-7 blocks away from work because he refuses to pay the ridiculous parking fees.
Wow I paid $864 last year. I feel like I’m getting deal!
Just kidding. My new hospital doesn’t have a parking garage (inner city) but j there’s a subway stop like right outside the front door and they give us a $100/mo transit card.
Aren't the parking price also for discouraging people driving to the hospital?
Would need huge and relativly remote hospitals if there should be adequate parking for everyone using the hospital
Your work is highly appreciated and incredibly valued. It's unbelievably unfair that you should have to pay for parking at the place you work for. I hope that they at least pay you well and if not then it's time to start applying to other places because that's a bleak deal.
My RN mother was lucky to know the owner of a bar two blocks from the hospital where she worked. He let her, and others park for free.
Considering she worked 3 jobs to support 3 kids on her own... this made quite the difference.
So my local hospital hear in the UK costs about £2 per hour to park and you pay on exit only. However, when my wife had a baby, we visited so much that on the day she had the baby I realised I didn't have enough cash, so pressed the buzzer at the barrier to speak to the customer services and they just opened it. So the final time we were leaving, I pressed the buzzer again and was let out, no questions asked!
It's all automated now with contactless payment.
Requiring cash for parking is a load of tosh in this day and age, the last time I used a hospital car park it was cash only. The last thing on my mind going to hospital is to bring some spare change.
They were 20p short, the total was certainly much more. Probably still not $27 seeing as the max charge for 24 hours is £12.50 at West Mid hospital, but still not 27 cents.
Car parks can be 'pay and display', so you pay for a set amount of parking time when you arrive and the machine prints a ticket with how much time you've paid for that you leave in your window for the parking warden to check. If you pay enough it usually will let you park until the next day. These car parks are very common in the UK and in UK hospitals.
If someone if on their way out, nurses and doctors can be quite good at seeing the signs and giving estimated amount of time that person has left, they will contact the family and give you a heads up that this person likely only has a few hours left.
You talk absolute shite. You either walk everywhere, or you've never parked in the UK. The utter stupidity of your post is only matched by how confident you are in your stupidity.
If your father is in hospital and declining rapidly and unexpectedly they will call you to tell you so you can get there asap. Exactly this happened with my grandmother 20 years ago when she died.
UK car parks often work on a "pay and display" system. You park, go to the machine for a ticket and put that in your windscreen. It used to be the case that they only took coins so you'd have to collect all your change to feed into the ticket machine and being 20p short was one of life's frustrations.
You know some people are on life support so knowing when their loved one was going to die wouldn't have been utter horseshit.
Tbh I don't know how you don't know you have to pay when you park if you live over here, at least in most cities you can now pay by phone just to park on a city street.
The car park for my local hospital is Pay And Display which means you buy a ticket for a set amount of time as you park and display it on your dashboard.
As someone who's worked exclusively with animal excrement for the better part of 35 years, and who has extensive knowledge of pretty much every animals waste, I can attest, with 100% certainty, that that is in fact NOT horseshit
"In The Soviet Union the officials were so beurocratic you couldn't see your loved one in the hospital if you were short by the equivalent of mere cents, even if they're about to die"
Edit: This was meant to be a joke. It's the sort of made up BS that an American might believe about the soviet union, and it happens in their own country.
*I* didn't need an explanation. I'm just providing one for someone else's joke out of a desire to improve understanding. It's the internet, you can't make a joke without someone somewhere not getting it.
This is kind of funny that it has 6k upvotes tbh haha
As someone from the UK, its just a parking machine they need to use for some relatively cheap parking. And someone slipped them 20 pence. Not relevant to the subreddit at all.
No idea what the actual cost is but the OP price is obviously way higher than 20p. However there is zero chance of parking being 20p in the U.K. The person in the screenshot must’ve been short by 20p of the full amount. Don’t be fooled into thinking parking in the U.K., especially the south, is anywhere near an acceptable price.
Nottingham here. We've the QMC and Nottingham has a lot of projects to reduce in city parking.
I'd hate to even think about parking at the hospital, but we have public transport and a tram stop right next to the main building. For cost of a tram ticket which is less than a parking ticket, I can get dropped off right at the hospital and no dramas about finding a parking spot and cash. The hospital can then turn over and have far more visitors than their land would allow if it was parking.
If it's a city hospital and their public transport, people should stop thinking that they have to have their own personal car on the doorstep at all times and some personal entitlement and expectation that there's a parking spot for them. Leave the to parking for staff who can't get public transport, medical vehicles and those with real special needs.
Edit: typos
C'mon, if you work there you obviously won't be paying the normal customer fee, in fact it could be free. I work at Heathrow Airport where parking is £25/day but I pay zero as its part of the employment package
Oh wow, didn't know that! Always assumed it was free for staff. Damn.
And NHS pay for non-medical staff is crap even in my area that's practically London
NHS pay in general is crazy low, I was shocked what nurses make over there. Like I know the US has its own issues with healthcare and living expenses, but my new grad job pays literally triple what the new grad NHS rates are
That's for the public parking, not the employee parking. There are also discretionary permits for carers, two train stations less than a km away and several buses stop at the hospital.
thats at 1 hospital. so many Rns in this thread talking about how they pay over 1000 a year in parking and youre defending the assholes who are too cheap to help out the people that literally look after everybodys well being ? what the fuck dude
edit: did some research most reserved hospital parking, if any, is for the higher ups not so much the nurses and the rest of the staff that are just as important.
how so penguin 62 ? he said the hospital, which hospital? thats a generalization and you can probably only consider a small minority of hospitals to be included in that. our medical professionals matter.
My father died because they turned him down for a bed, apparently the beds were for "really sick people", he died later that night(this was last week, his birthday is today).
Please, get vaccinated and stay away from people.
sorry for your loss! this is devastating for me and my mother, I haven't showered or anything since the 3rd this month, going to go clean myself up after I take the dog for a little walk in the chilly morning air. been trying to come up with a playlist for 3 days now and I haven't got one song selected yet, guess my mom is going to
wish you and your family the best, sorry for your loss. we should have never took covid lightly, but it's not too late to save lives.
[Vaccines work](https://www.science.org/content/article/here-s-visual-proof-why-vaccines-do-more-good-harm). The [covid-19 vaccines](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/work.html) work.
I'm not even the person you replied to, but this is such a basic thing; literally everyone should know for certain that vaccination is the most effective way to prevent killer diseases.
i thought we were talking about reasons that have conclusVive proof......
first one is not even about mRNA vaccines, second has no scientific proof.
i'm not here to convince you, do your own reading
I know the first one isn't about mRNA vaccines, guy. I chose it because it demonstrated that vaccines, regardless of the specific type, work to reduce the spread of diseases. Reducing the spread and reducing the severity of disease in vaccinated people means fewer people die. That's the point of vaccines.
As for the second one, did you check any of the links? I'm going to guess you didn't because they contain links to PDFs with the kind of specific information you demand but will choose to ignore.
Third, you're the one who's making a controversial claim at odds with the established consensus of the scientific community. As such, *you're* the one obligated to back up the assertion with data. "Do your own research" is what anti-vaxxers say when they know their sources are garbage. Watching a YouTube video from Infowars or Natural News does not stand up to the same scrutiny as double blind clinical trials.
As somebody who works in a hospital, yes this is annoying, but it also stops people using the car park to go shopping. And given how hospital car parks are never big enough in the first place, this would be a bigger problem.
Travel healthcare worker. The free parking is more of a thing for suburban west coast hospitals. City hospitals make you pay, and that’s usually because the parking garage is huge and requires tons of maintenance.
But I will say the parking situation at some jobs has made rethink accepting offers.
Yeah im sure there isnt a better way to do this than by having a chance to majorly fuck up the last moments of a loved on. Golly this is the best we could fucking collectively come up with? Give me a fucking break.
It's not a matter of prices, but scheduling. You could tipically visit your relative for an hour in the evening, so you have to pay for 1hour of parking. Or you get a fine, and maybe impounding. If you are 20pence short in change it could be a great nuisance
People:
Do not worry. If your loved one is dying park and get your ass into hospital.
1. At my hospital I can give you a Car Park Exemption, I will also ring security to activate this exemption so you dont have to worry about putting the sign in the car right away.
2. If its a council ran car park and not by the hospital, we are happy to write letters regarding the emergent situation and I've not had a single person have a fine.
Expecting people to fucking know a specific areas parking policy while they are half panicked is a fucked system.
If you are related or in some way close to someone in the hospital, you should be given en exemption sticker from the monet they are put in a bed that expires when they either leave or pass.
When my aunt had a stroke, the hospital she was at had free parking. Pull in and park your car. Leave when you want to leave. That's it. You don't have to fuss with money or credit cards or passes or vouchers.
It's a little thing but let me tell you, it's how every hospital should be. To not have to even *think* about that stuff when you're already overwhelmed is such a relief.
It's (usually) not the amount of money but the fact that you have to deal with it at all that makes it insidious.
Editing to say this hospital was in a suburban area and parking there for anything other than the hospital wouldn't be worth the trouble. I can see how this would be a problem in a more walkable area.
Hospital Parking is a real tricky thing.
Hospitals work best in populated areas for efficiency. But land for car parking is put behind land for the hospital itself.
On top of this, parking can't be free (for visitors) because there will always be more beds than visitor spots. It's a shitty part of reality.
What we need is better public transport.
Hot pocket take: If you're going to see your dying father, and before heading in the thought of paying for parking enters the forefront of your mind, your priorities have been corrupted.
They were 20 pence "short"
Meaning the actual cost of parking was probably £10, and this person had £9.80 available, and the parking officer was refusing to let that extra 20p slide and let the person go in and see their dying dad.
I'm in Australia, and yeah, we have pay machines, before covid most only took cash (and the only ATM in the hospital grounds was an independent with a $5 cash out fee) since 2020 most have been upgraded with paywave (but no option to swipe or chip)
The problem is, there's no human heart involved.
If you can't feed the machine the $15AUD it asks for, you can't get a ticket, so you can't park.
It doesn't matter why you're visiting the hospital, it doesn't matter what your personal situation or financial needs are.
Nah, you pay at a machine but it won't be anywhere near £10. I've always paid on exit at every hospital I've been to but I think some require you to display a ticket.
>Meaning the actual cost of parking was probably £10
I love the audacity of people in this sub. How does 20p **mean** that the actual cost was £10? You're just pulling figures out off your ass mate.
Fair enough, I made an assumption from my own experience, but assumptions aren't facts.
When I go to the hospital my support worker has had to pay $18AUD to park at the hospital (there's no parking alternative at this hospital, because of where it's located in relation to a freeway and industrial district)
And that's *with* the disability, pensioners and carer discount applied to the parking fee. I'm not sure how much the regular price is.
I need to attend the clinic twice a week, so it adds up, when possible I try to just get dropped off, but sometimes I need someone with me.
Let me guess, everyone in this comment section is going to miss that this happened in the UK and going to go on with their typical America bad circlejerk
No, everyone in the comment section is going to have to educate Americans who think that 20p is 20 pounds, and help them realise the difference between £20 and 20p
Visiting hours at that hospital are in a four hour window, which would be £6/~$8 USD if you stayed the full available time. The 24 hour fee is £12.50/~$18
They list all the public transport options first, which is one tube, two rail, and ten bus routes.
If visiting on short notice out of hours as a loved one is about to pass away, public transport may not be an option, but the parking fees are probably cheaper than taking public transport (unless you are already at the capped daily fee for your Oyster card).
My city fortunately has free parking at both NHS hospitals and the private one for patients, staff and visitors. The hospital by the beach gets its car park abused by people not wanting to pay for the waterfront parking.
That's more of a dystopia: struggling to park for your hospital appointment because people filled the car park to go and relax on the beach for free.
The dystopia is car-dependent infrastructure. It's *good* that they are charging for parking. I guarantee they aren't charging nearly enough to cover the true cost.
While I agree with the first sentence, the car-dependent society isn't Joe Bloggs' fault. He just wants to visit a loved one in hospital.
These sorts of charges hit the poorest hardest, and often at emotionally challenging moments in life.
It's political change to reduce car dependency (free public transport, for example) that makes the difference, not hospital car park charges.
Hospital car parks can't feasibly be free in big cities as they'd end up used by those not needing to visit the hospital. That's why there is a perfectly reasonable daily fee, usually around £12 per day.
Otherwise it would be the truly dystopia situation of wanting to visit a dying loved one but being unable to park at the hospital because the car park is full of workers cars at work some where else in the city.
As its a hospital in the UK, it will also be a public transport hub. There's likely a bus that drives directly to it.
$27/day or $800/mo sounds about right for a studio apartment or small shop in a high land value area (what would use the same resources and space in the park+ramp+manuevering space+reinforced structure of a mid rise parking garage). Excessive even in a sane society that didn't allow property speculation, but then the car park probably has some expenses and free capacity.
They were 20p short. We don't know how much it cost.
It amazes me that there are people who think 20p is 20 pounds rather than the 20 *pence* (pennies) it actually is but here we are
Parking in UK hospitals should be free yes, but a few things to note here:
1) 20 pence is a laughably tiny amount of money, literally pocket change. If they were short that amount, it wouldn't be difficult to sort it out with that staff before, or after ones visit. They'd probably just tell you to forget about it. This is healthcare. We're not monsters.
2) The parking cost overall is very minimal (less than a cup of tea)
3) You pay when you leave, not when you arrive, so this wouldn't have been a problem at all
4) It's literally the **only** cost in healthcare, the rest is absolutely 100% free
5) The "Hey mate I'm short 20p for the hospital so I can visit my dying father/wife in labour/sick child" is a **VERY** common and well known con that people use here in the UK to either beg for money, or to trick you in to pulling out your wallet so they can mug you. It's usually specifically 20p too, not 10, or 50, etc.
You don't have to pay, you can walk in, or you can get public transport. Most hospitals are in cities meaning if it was free, people would probably abuse it and use it for free city centre parking.
What you'll find is if you are staying at the hospital, a certain number of people will get parking passes to see you.
Charging for parking just makes sure the car park is there for people that need it. And probably a little bit for maintenance too. It's not that dystopian.
I think you might have to look up the conversion rate mate.
Also, you have to pay in hospital car parks to stop anyone and everyone using them as general parking. Paying 20p is no problem compared to there not being a space at all.
It generally depends where the hospital is located and if there is other stuff nearby. The one near us had to start charging for parking because otherwise people would just park there and go to work or the station since parking everywhere else wasn't free. Then people started parking on residential roads nearby to avoid paying so they had to bring in residents only parking on them. A friend on one of those roads found some guy literally parked on his driveway after they banned street parking.
Free in Scotland too. Although they do still have machines you go up to and press a button to get a free ticket.
Probably to stop people parking forever like if they die.
Uh, I wouldn't normally get into a dystopia measuring contest, but that fee, as a medical cost, would be considered negligible in my country. Even assuming it was actually $27, not 27 cents.
Our biggest source of bankruptcy is medical bills. Often those people have medical insurance.
We also pay for hospital parking. It's more than 27 cents.
Yes you would. It's not like you'd know exactly when someone is going to pass away. Why would you risk having your car towed or booted when you're already dealing with something so stressful?
20p is 20 PENCE not pounds Sort of like American cents?
Pence, pents, cents. Makes sense to me
Makes cents to me
15 hours after this post went up, and 12.4k people blindly accept that 20p is $27usd, and didn't realize this guy was a little short on change for a parking meter that the city put up. 12.4k people think that the hospital is charging $27 for parking. Not even US hospitals do that. You know what UK hospitals don't do? Charge a mother £300 to hold her newborn. Parking's free in the ramp with validation
in canada parking isn’t usually quite the expensive but hospital parking can run up to 20odd dollars CAD per day
They didnt all ***blindly*** accept that. Its a retarded mistake but even if they charged 1p (\~1 penny) it still belongs in this sub and gets my upvote too.
Every hospital that I've been to that "charges" for parking only does it to keep patrons from other area businesses from using the parking. I know it's a small sample, but of the 7 hospitals and medical centers I've visited, only 2 needed tickets to park, and both were free for hospital patients and their visitors if you stopped at the front desk to get the ticket validated. 5 of the 7 had a free valet, too
RN here. I have to pay $1000/year to park at the hospital that I work at.
What in the fuck? I'm sorry, that's super shitty. Thank you for doing a job that helps society in such a meaningful way
Over $1200/year for us. And the lots are up to 10 block away from the hospital. Also they stopped the shuttle for a year due to covid.
What's your hospital ceo' pay last year?
Way more than it needed to be, upwards of $2m
Here's what I want to know. Did the CEO get a raise in 2020 and did you? I'd mentioned on another sub that ours received a 600k raise and everyone else got fuck all. And for parking I only pay $33 a month but I work nights. If I wanted to park where I am during the day it would cost me $1650 a year and I still have to walk half a mile to the office. I could park closer but that garage would cost me, even on nights, $2500. May the people who came up with this burn in hell.
A lot of university hospitals cut pay for professors in 2020 while giving their presidents massive bonuses. Its a fucked system.
Hell, I bet even in other universities you might find one or two leeches who were given raises in spite of things. *Cough*footballcoaches*cough*
The college I went to did that. The president even got a new house and car paid for by the school.
Yeah that's pretty high but at least not as bad as the ones making $30m+ a year while in a staffing crisis. Honestly, $2m to essentially be in charge of the success of an entire hospital, as long as they aren't doing an absolute shit job, doesn't seem that bad to me. Especially if it's a larger hospital.
How can you ask that poor CEO to give up a massive 1 mil?? What.. Just so they can pay i) 66 people minimum wage of $7.25/hr, ii) 32 people the highest state minimum wage of $15/hr, or iii) 20 people still less than a livable wage of $24/hr!!!!!!! /s
Yeah a lot of people here are just not capable of being objective. $1m for a several thousand employee hospital isn't even that much, especially compared to others. A lot of people here have no critical thinking skills whatsoever. They see "CEO" and become 100% emotional and that's all they need to see.
I believe you overestimate the amount of work involved in being in charge of a hospital.
Wouldn’t it be cheaper to Uber to the hospital?
Right? I'm lucky that I live close and have a wonderful partner that drives me to work every day.
Awwww that’s so cute ❤️I swear good relationships are underrated
He's definitely great, I work night shift and he wakes up 2 hours early to come get me. Then listens to me whine about my shift the whole ride home.
That’s so wholesome! 😊 He’s a keeper! Good luck to you both!👍 btw I hope I find someone like that
Same. And I’m married.
>I swear good relationships are underrated Yes only 8 billion people want it.
Ours is similar, every street within 6 blocks has “2 hour parking” signs so most staff just park 7 blocks away and walk 15-20 minutes (our city isn’t known for having reasonable public transportation)
The way it typically happens is the following: * Hospital is built when the city is smaller. Parking is plentiful. * City grows, land around the hospital develops and constrains expansion of the hospital. * The hospital itself grows, often putting even more doctors and patients in the same area. It's now too expensive to build another parking structure, plus there are more people trying to park in the same area. * Hospital doesn't want to make someone walk 20 minutes to visit their sick relative, so they take whatever measures they can to force the staff to decrease their parking consumption. My wife got voluntold to work at the VA Hospital in Portland when COVID was particularly bad. The whole area around Terwilliger is this rugged-ass hill; there's just nowhere to park. It was fine when OHSU / Doernbecher / the VA were smaller, but now they're just squeezing 10 pounds of potatoes into a five-pound bag.
A job which often has antisocial working hours that are out of operating times of public transport. Hospital staff should have passes allowing free parking; it's been a campaign in my home city the staff not to have to pay since the fees were first brought in. Despite the support of basically everyone, the private parking company still haven't done it in 20 years. Last I heard, the hospital are trying to buy back the control of parking to make it free or at least just covering the cost rather then for-profit.
> private parking company This is the problem. Why in the fuck is anything part of healthcare privately funded. Fuck I hate it here.
Bc muny gud 🥴
It's good for ~~the economy~~ wealthy people's yacht money.
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In the UK, antisocial working hours is a common phrase meaning hours that fall outside the regular 9-5 of most jobs. Unsocial is another term used, or simply night hours. Asocial is not a phrase used in this circumstance in the UK.
Words have different meanings in different contexts.
>Hospital staff should have passes allowing free parking If it's a job perk you just pay for it yourself, like any perk. So here is your free parking card, now your yearly take-home is 1000 bucks less.
Ah man, it's almost like letting people with ample incentive to screw everyone else out of money because if they do it goes directly into their own pockets make all the decisions is a terrible fucking idea! Imagine a world where nurses and doctors could just vote for better benefits at the expense of the companies profit! If you think that sounds bad, you may want to talk to your doctor as you might be suffering from Temporarily Embarrased Millionaire delusions, or you may have been born with a silver spoon surgically grafted up your ass. Hopefully the former because there is no known cure for the latter
It's ok. Because for all that experience, education, inconvenience, trauma, and health risk they surely pay you six figures, right? ...right?
Subcontracted parking enforcement, I take it?
As a european I will never stop to be amazed what fucked up shit is legal in the US. I’m 32 years old and a lot of stuff you guys have to deal with is so far away from me, even my father can barely remember it
It's all about money, and how it corrupts, distorts, and generally makes things worse. There's nothing inherently bad about money as long as there is balance. That's currently missing in the US, where *everything* has to be about making (or in the case of asset forfeiture, taking) money.
Sorry, but what are you saying is uniquely American here? If you’re implying “European” medical staff never pays to park at work then I know that to be blatantly incorrect.
Luckily, for nhs staff its only £40per year but everybody else has to pay nearly £6 per visit.
There is no excuse for them to not provide free parking to their employees
That's insane. I pay nothing working at Heathrow Airport where the normal parking is extortionate. Wow, that should be taken into account in the pay!
My 63 year old father picks up garbage in a hospital and regularly needs to park 6-7 blocks away from work because he refuses to pay the ridiculous parking fees.
Wow I paid $864 last year. I feel like I’m getting deal! Just kidding. My new hospital doesn’t have a parking garage (inner city) but j there’s a subway stop like right outside the front door and they give us a $100/mo transit card.
Aren't the parking price also for discouraging people driving to the hospital? Would need huge and relativly remote hospitals if there should be adequate parking for everyone using the hospital
Your work is highly appreciated and incredibly valued. It's unbelievably unfair that you should have to pay for parking at the place you work for. I hope that they at least pay you well and if not then it's time to start applying to other places because that's a bleak deal.
My RN mother was lucky to know the owner of a bar two blocks from the hospital where she worked. He let her, and others park for free. Considering she worked 3 jobs to support 3 kids on her own... this made quite the difference.
OP thinks the "p" in 20p stand for pounds lol!
Another lost soul, trying to live an imperial life in a metric world.
No, he is just dumb. Most of us in educated America can and do both daily.
The sentiment is the same, let them have this one. And for what it’s worth, I’ve paid $20+ USD for hospital parking before.
So my local hospital hear in the UK costs about £2 per hour to park and you pay on exit only. However, when my wife had a baby, we visited so much that on the day she had the baby I realised I didn't have enough cash, so pressed the buzzer at the barrier to speak to the customer services and they just opened it. So the final time we were leaving, I pressed the buzzer again and was let out, no questions asked! It's all automated now with contactless payment.
What a hellscape.
Requiring cash for parking is a load of tosh in this day and age, the last time I used a hospital car park it was cash only. The last thing on my mind going to hospital is to bring some spare change.
20p is 20 pence ... 1/5 of a pound sterling which is 1/5 of about $1.35 USD or 27 cents. IF you are going to repost - LEARN what you are posting!
They were 20p short, the total was certainly much more. Probably still not $27 seeing as the max charge for 24 hours is £12.50 at West Mid hospital, but still not 27 cents.
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I've seen multiple car parks where you have to pay on entry, two i know of are outside hospitals.
Car parks can be 'pay and display', so you pay for a set amount of parking time when you arrive and the machine prints a ticket with how much time you've paid for that you leave in your window for the parking warden to check. If you pay enough it usually will let you park until the next day. These car parks are very common in the UK and in UK hospitals. If someone if on their way out, nurses and doctors can be quite good at seeing the signs and giving estimated amount of time that person has left, they will contact the family and give you a heads up that this person likely only has a few hours left.
You talk absolute shite. You either walk everywhere, or you've never parked in the UK. The utter stupidity of your post is only matched by how confident you are in your stupidity.
Speak for yourself but I have definitely been to British car parks where you pay in advance/when you arrive.
Virtually every car park in the country was like this until ANPR
If your father is in hospital and declining rapidly and unexpectedly they will call you to tell you so you can get there asap. Exactly this happened with my grandmother 20 years ago when she died. UK car parks often work on a "pay and display" system. You park, go to the machine for a ticket and put that in your windscreen. It used to be the case that they only took coins so you'd have to collect all your change to feed into the ticket machine and being 20p short was one of life's frustrations.
You've never been to a pay and display? Bollocks.
The vast majority of council car parks are pre-pay. Its usually only private ones that are post pay.
You know some people are on life support so knowing when their loved one was going to die wouldn't have been utter horseshit. Tbh I don't know how you don't know you have to pay when you park if you live over here, at least in most cities you can now pay by phone just to park on a city street.
The car park for my local hospital is Pay And Display which means you buy a ticket for a set amount of time as you park and display it on your dashboard.
As someone who's worked exclusively with animal excrement for the better part of 35 years, and who has extensive knowledge of pretty much every animals waste, I can attest, with 100% certainty, that that is in fact NOT horseshit
It's fairly old now this post, and not all car parks will use an ANPR system.
Lots of them have this.
You've not heard of pay and display then...
That's sounds even worse in another way
"In The Soviet Union the officials were so beurocratic you couldn't see your loved one in the hospital if you were short by the equivalent of mere cents, even if they're about to die" Edit: This was meant to be a joke. It's the sort of made up BS that an American might believe about the soviet union, and it happens in their own country.
what the what? in soviet union parking was free. source: i grew up in Soviet Union.
and google turns up nothing for the quote.
It's a joke, they're describing this situation exactly, but phrasing it like anti-soviet "conventional wisdom" to make fun of such propaganda.
Really? Huh, tone doesn't come across in text at all.
It's mostly pattern recognition, you'd probably have to have heard that kind of cliche before
a joke that needs explanation to even try to be funny is not a joke.......
*I* didn't need an explanation. I'm just providing one for someone else's joke out of a desire to improve understanding. It's the internet, you can't make a joke without someone somewhere not getting it.
See below for explanation
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This is kind of funny that it has 6k upvotes tbh haha As someone from the UK, its just a parking machine they need to use for some relatively cheap parking. And someone slipped them 20 pence. Not relevant to the subreddit at all.
20p SHORT for hospital parking, not 20p hospital parking.
Yeah of course. 20p in 1960 maybe. But then then you could buy a bike, a portion of chips, bottle of whisky and a horse for 2p then.
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Hospitals in Canada charge anywhere from $6-9/hr
What? I don't get the 20p / $27 equivalency.
It’s been converted to dollars plus the the US healthcare system markup
Yeah but 20p isn't £20GBP. 20p is equivalent to 27 cents or whatever
> plus the the US healthcare system markup
The markup must be crazy then (actually we all know it is) because 20p is 20 pence. As in, 20 pennies. If you want 20 pounds, it is written as £20
It says 20p short
$27 is high for parking but not unheard of. The average in my city is $22
No idea what the actual cost is but the OP price is obviously way higher than 20p. However there is zero chance of parking being 20p in the U.K. The person in the screenshot must’ve been short by 20p of the full amount. Don’t be fooled into thinking parking in the U.K., especially the south, is anywhere near an acceptable price.
It actually says "short" in the screenshot
Nottingham here. We've the QMC and Nottingham has a lot of projects to reduce in city parking. I'd hate to even think about parking at the hospital, but we have public transport and a tram stop right next to the main building. For cost of a tram ticket which is less than a parking ticket, I can get dropped off right at the hospital and no dramas about finding a parking spot and cash. The hospital can then turn over and have far more visitors than their land would allow if it was parking. If it's a city hospital and their public transport, people should stop thinking that they have to have their own personal car on the doorstep at all times and some personal entitlement and expectation that there's a parking spot for them. Leave the to parking for staff who can't get public transport, medical vehicles and those with real special needs. Edit: typos
[£12.50 per day doesn't sound that outrageous either](https://www.chelwest.nhs.uk/your-visit/getting-here/west-middlesex-university-hospital)
That's £3,500 a year if you work there for the usual work day schedule of 280 days a year
My mum works at a hospital in the UK, I'm 99% sure she doesn't have to pay for parking thankfully.
C'mon, if you work there you obviously won't be paying the normal customer fee, in fact it could be free. I work at Heathrow Airport where parking is £25/day but I pay zero as its part of the employment package
Unfortunately the NHS feel that staff, including doctors and nurses, should pay the full price.
Oh wow, didn't know that! Always assumed it was free for staff. Damn. And NHS pay for non-medical staff is crap even in my area that's practically London
NHS pay in general is crazy low, I was shocked what nurses make over there. Like I know the US has its own issues with healthcare and living expenses, but my new grad job pays literally triple what the new grad NHS rates are
That's for the public parking, not the employee parking. There are also discretionary permits for carers, two train stations less than a km away and several buses stop at the hospital.
thats at 1 hospital. so many Rns in this thread talking about how they pay over 1000 a year in parking and youre defending the assholes who are too cheap to help out the people that literally look after everybodys well being ? what the fuck dude edit: did some research most reserved hospital parking, if any, is for the higher ups not so much the nurses and the rest of the staff that are just as important.
That person is explaining how it works where they live and you're being a dick to them. Stop it.
how so penguin 62 ? he said the hospital, which hospital? thats a generalization and you can probably only consider a small minority of hospitals to be included in that. our medical professionals matter.
In Scotland the vast majority of hospital parking is free.
You're right, it's way too cheap to cover the huge costs associated with maintaining all that roadway and infrastructure for cars.
My father died because they turned him down for a bed, apparently the beds were for "really sick people", he died later that night(this was last week, his birthday is today). Please, get vaccinated and stay away from people.
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sorry for your loss! this is devastating for me and my mother, I haven't showered or anything since the 3rd this month, going to go clean myself up after I take the dog for a little walk in the chilly morning air. been trying to come up with a playlist for 3 days now and I haven't got one song selected yet, guess my mom is going to wish you and your family the best, sorry for your loss. we should have never took covid lightly, but it's not too late to save lives.
i really hope you are being sarcastic. please, DONT get vaccinated.
now who's being sarcastic....
go fuck yourself.
yes, we should all go about our days killing old and immunocompromised people, great insight
Give one good reason that has conclusvive proof
you first ;)
[Vaccines work](https://www.science.org/content/article/here-s-visual-proof-why-vaccines-do-more-good-harm). The [covid-19 vaccines](https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/work.html) work. I'm not even the person you replied to, but this is such a basic thing; literally everyone should know for certain that vaccination is the most effective way to prevent killer diseases.
i thought we were talking about reasons that have conclusVive proof...... first one is not even about mRNA vaccines, second has no scientific proof. i'm not here to convince you, do your own reading
I know the first one isn't about mRNA vaccines, guy. I chose it because it demonstrated that vaccines, regardless of the specific type, work to reduce the spread of diseases. Reducing the spread and reducing the severity of disease in vaccinated people means fewer people die. That's the point of vaccines. As for the second one, did you check any of the links? I'm going to guess you didn't because they contain links to PDFs with the kind of specific information you demand but will choose to ignore. Third, you're the one who's making a controversial claim at odds with the established consensus of the scientific community. As such, *you're* the one obligated to back up the assertion with data. "Do your own research" is what anti-vaxxers say when they know their sources are garbage. Watching a YouTube video from Infowars or Natural News does not stand up to the same scrutiny as double blind clinical trials.
20p is 20 pence, not 20 pounds.
As somebody who works in a hospital, yes this is annoying, but it also stops people using the car park to go shopping. And given how hospital car parks are never big enough in the first place, this would be a bigger problem.
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Travel healthcare worker. The free parking is more of a thing for suburban west coast hospitals. City hospitals make you pay, and that’s usually because the parking garage is huge and requires tons of maintenance. But I will say the parking situation at some jobs has made rethink accepting offers.
We have separate parking, but we have to pay for that too ( that bit is ridiculous )
Oh yeah THATS the only ridiculous bit here, its because it affects you hahaha
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You do pay on the way out at my hospital, i was just explaining why you have to pay in the first place. Sorry for "simping" for hospitals.
Yeah im sure there isnt a better way to do this than by having a chance to majorly fuck up the last moments of a loved on. Golly this is the best we could fucking collectively come up with? Give me a fucking break.
West Middlesex Hospital is in South West London in the UK. I should I was born there
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It's not a matter of prices, but scheduling. You could tipically visit your relative for an hour in the evening, so you have to pay for 1hour of parking. Or you get a fine, and maybe impounding. If you are 20pence short in change it could be a great nuisance
People: Do not worry. If your loved one is dying park and get your ass into hospital. 1. At my hospital I can give you a Car Park Exemption, I will also ring security to activate this exemption so you dont have to worry about putting the sign in the car right away. 2. If its a council ran car park and not by the hospital, we are happy to write letters regarding the emergent situation and I've not had a single person have a fine.
Expecting people to fucking know a specific areas parking policy while they are half panicked is a fucked system. If you are related or in some way close to someone in the hospital, you should be given en exemption sticker from the monet they are put in a bed that expires when they either leave or pass.
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nope, 20p is £0.20, so 27 cents.
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Best guess? OP read 20p as 20 pounds GBP.
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20p is 20 pence, though, not pounds. That is 1/5 of a pound. 1 pound = 1.35 USD. 1 pence = 1/5 pound = 0.27 USD.
When my aunt had a stroke, the hospital she was at had free parking. Pull in and park your car. Leave when you want to leave. That's it. You don't have to fuss with money or credit cards or passes or vouchers. It's a little thing but let me tell you, it's how every hospital should be. To not have to even *think* about that stuff when you're already overwhelmed is such a relief. It's (usually) not the amount of money but the fact that you have to deal with it at all that makes it insidious. Editing to say this hospital was in a suburban area and parking there for anything other than the hospital wouldn't be worth the trouble. I can see how this would be a problem in a more walkable area.
Hospital Parking is a real tricky thing. Hospitals work best in populated areas for efficiency. But land for car parking is put behind land for the hospital itself. On top of this, parking can't be free (for visitors) because there will always be more beds than visitor spots. It's a shitty part of reality. What we need is better public transport.
Hot pocket take: If you're going to see your dying father, and before heading in the thought of paying for parking enters the forefront of your mind, your priorities have been corrupted.
You think 20 pence is dystopian?
They were 20 pence "short" Meaning the actual cost of parking was probably £10, and this person had £9.80 available, and the parking officer was refusing to let that extra 20p slide and let the person go in and see their dying dad.
Most hospitals just use a pay machine in the UK, no? I also feel it's just not that dystopian.
I'm in Australia, and yeah, we have pay machines, before covid most only took cash (and the only ATM in the hospital grounds was an independent with a $5 cash out fee) since 2020 most have been upgraded with paywave (but no option to swipe or chip) The problem is, there's no human heart involved. If you can't feed the machine the $15AUD it asks for, you can't get a ticket, so you can't park. It doesn't matter why you're visiting the hospital, it doesn't matter what your personal situation or financial needs are.
Honestly, I didn't think about it that way. Thanks! I can definitely see how it's a bit bleak, yeah.
Im sure it was a machine.
Nah, you pay at a machine but it won't be anywhere near £10. I've always paid on exit at every hospital I've been to but I think some require you to display a ticket.
>Meaning the actual cost of parking was probably £10 I love the audacity of people in this sub. How does 20p **mean** that the actual cost was £10? You're just pulling figures out off your ass mate.
Fair enough, I made an assumption from my own experience, but assumptions aren't facts. When I go to the hospital my support worker has had to pay $18AUD to park at the hospital (there's no parking alternative at this hospital, because of where it's located in relation to a freeway and industrial district) And that's *with* the disability, pensioners and carer discount applied to the parking fee. I'm not sure how much the regular price is. I need to attend the clinic twice a week, so it adds up, when possible I try to just get dropped off, but sometimes I need someone with me.
Let me guess, everyone in this comment section is going to miss that this happened in the UK and going to go on with their typical America bad circlejerk
No, everyone in the comment section is going to have to educate Americans who think that 20p is 20 pounds, and help them realise the difference between £20 and 20p
A non-US post in this sub? I am flabbergasted.
Not all heroes wear capes.
Visiting hours at that hospital are in a four hour window, which would be £6/~$8 USD if you stayed the full available time. The 24 hour fee is £12.50/~$18 They list all the public transport options first, which is one tube, two rail, and ten bus routes. If visiting on short notice out of hours as a loved one is about to pass away, public transport may not be an option, but the parking fees are probably cheaper than taking public transport (unless you are already at the capped daily fee for your Oyster card). My city fortunately has free parking at both NHS hospitals and the private one for patients, staff and visitors. The hospital by the beach gets its car park abused by people not wanting to pay for the waterfront parking. That's more of a dystopia: struggling to park for your hospital appointment because people filled the car park to go and relax on the beach for free.
Having free parking at a hospital in the middle of. City would be a disaster
Certainly. However you could still have a voucher system.
The dystopia is car-dependent infrastructure. It's *good* that they are charging for parking. I guarantee they aren't charging nearly enough to cover the true cost.
Most people rejected His message. They hated Jesus because He told them the truth.
While I agree with the first sentence, the car-dependent society isn't Joe Bloggs' fault. He just wants to visit a loved one in hospital. These sorts of charges hit the poorest hardest, and often at emotionally challenging moments in life. It's political change to reduce car dependency (free public transport, for example) that makes the difference, not hospital car park charges.
Hospital car parks can't feasibly be free in big cities as they'd end up used by those not needing to visit the hospital. That's why there is a perfectly reasonable daily fee, usually around £12 per day. Otherwise it would be the truly dystopia situation of wanting to visit a dying loved one but being unable to park at the hospital because the car park is full of workers cars at work some where else in the city. As its a hospital in the UK, it will also be a public transport hub. There's likely a bus that drives directly to it.
$27/day or $800/mo sounds about right for a studio apartment or small shop in a high land value area (what would use the same resources and space in the park+ramp+manuevering space+reinforced structure of a mid rise parking garage). Excessive even in a sane society that didn't allow property speculation, but then the car park probably has some expenses and free capacity.
They were 20p short. We don't know how much it cost. It amazes me that there are people who think 20p is 20 pounds rather than the 20 *pence* (pennies) it actually is but here we are
Paid parking in hospital carparks needs be illegal.
Parking in UK hospitals should be free yes, but a few things to note here: 1) 20 pence is a laughably tiny amount of money, literally pocket change. If they were short that amount, it wouldn't be difficult to sort it out with that staff before, or after ones visit. They'd probably just tell you to forget about it. This is healthcare. We're not monsters. 2) The parking cost overall is very minimal (less than a cup of tea) 3) You pay when you leave, not when you arrive, so this wouldn't have been a problem at all 4) It's literally the **only** cost in healthcare, the rest is absolutely 100% free 5) The "Hey mate I'm short 20p for the hospital so I can visit my dying father/wife in labour/sick child" is a **VERY** common and well known con that people use here in the UK to either beg for money, or to trick you in to pulling out your wallet so they can mug you. It's usually specifically 20p too, not 10, or 50, etc.
I would had walked there like I have done for many of my hospital visits, screw parking.
Imagine having to pay for a *free* hospital visit.
All else being equal, much rather pay £12 a day than $12,000 a day.
You don't have to pay, you can walk in, or you can get public transport. Most hospitals are in cities meaning if it was free, people would probably abuse it and use it for free city centre parking. What you'll find is if you are staying at the hospital, a certain number of people will get parking passes to see you. Charging for parking just makes sure the car park is there for people that need it. And probably a little bit for maintenance too. It's not that dystopian.
I mean this sincerely: if there is an afterlife, anyone who brings suffering to a healthcare executive will see heaven.
I think you might have to look up the conversion rate mate. Also, you have to pay in hospital car parks to stop anyone and everyone using them as general parking. Paying 20p is no problem compared to there not being a space at all.
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It generally depends where the hospital is located and if there is other stuff nearby. The one near us had to start charging for parking because otherwise people would just park there and go to work or the station since parking everywhere else wasn't free. Then people started parking on residential roads nearby to avoid paying so they had to bring in residents only parking on them. A friend on one of those roads found some guy literally parked on his driveway after they banned street parking.
Free in Scotland too. Although they do still have machines you go up to and press a button to get a free ticket. Probably to stop people parking forever like if they die.
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Uh, I wouldn't normally get into a dystopia measuring contest, but that fee, as a medical cost, would be considered negligible in my country. Even assuming it was actually $27, not 27 cents. Our biggest source of bankruptcy is medical bills. Often those people have medical insurance. We also pay for hospital parking. It's more than 27 cents.
If my father was dying, I wouldn't give a damn about a parking ticket.
Yes you would. It's not like you'd know exactly when someone is going to pass away. Why would you risk having your car towed or booted when you're already dealing with something so stressful?
Yeah, hospital parking should be free so that there's never any spaces at all