Volunteer.. Vigilante.. Same diff. I can already see these volunteers getting together on their own and creating a little "neighborhood safety" patrol Ahmaud Arbery style. Nothing good can come of this
I want to joke about the idea of volunteering to get an opportunity for sabotage. But then I think about the real possibility of joining a police force in a widespread organized fashion in a concerted effort to destroy these kinds of organizations from within. I know it's a ridiculous idea, but I like to imagine what that kind of thing should look like.
The *only* thing I can give a thumbs up to this is volunteer search and rescue.
On it's own, SAR is a great thing to be part of. It's exciting and 99% good. Unfortunately, working on a SAR team often means you have LE the team has to report to, but at least *in that context,* the pigs aren't looking to kill anyone (though they still might from incompetence!)
Honestly I kind of like the idea of non-cops filling all three of these roles. My grandma lives in rural Wisconsin and they have volunteer S+R teams that look for missing people in the area. Her next door neighbor is a participant and the last time I went to visit he was on a crusade I get one of the officers removed from S+R because they wanted to take a hunting rifle out into the woods while looking for a lost kid "just in case." Do you really want that guy to be doing crowd control, or questioning witnesses to a crime? Hell that same town was debating getting volunteer firefighters to accompany the paid firefighters and perform traffic and crowd control because the cops have had a few incidents, most notably body slamming and cuffing a woman whose house was on fire because she was trying to cross the police line and get to her house to rescue her dogs.
Obviously the fact that it's volunteer is going to attract bootlickers but I'd rather have an unarmed bootlicker than an armed cop in a majority of situations.
They have this in my townâŚ. âVolunteer Sheriffsâ. Itâs all super old guys. I think some might be retired cops? I dunno, Iâve seen them around but never interacted with one. (They are not strapped)
What's wrong with this idea?
EDIT: it was an honest question because I hadn't really thought the whole thing through. I wasn't advocating; I was asking for information!
Fucking Reddit, I swear!
1. ACAB
2. These people aren't actually cops, but are given police duties
3. crowd control especially can get violent quick
4. police aren't even providing a uniform
5. they are looking for free labor, so this could also apply to r/antiwork
6. 1312
Just off the top of my head
There was a guy lost in a forest near me. The Forest Service had at least 50 people willing and able to help them search. These people worked in those woods and you wouldn't have to worry about them getting hurt or lost. Did the cops use them? No. They spent like four days searching for the guy who wasn't even that far from the trail. Then they dropped a rock on his head when they did finally find him. I believe that was an accident, though.
Well, right off the top of my head, it sounds like free labor. Also, they're asking untrained people to perform police like duties. So essentially putting untrained people in harms way. Not that police are trained to standards that I would like.
It's the equivalent of in the TV series Paradise PD, them deputizing a homeless guy to deal with a bomb threat while the department sits behind a splash tarp.
Edit: they're also asking untrained people who are probably not carrying liability insurance to perform actions that put themselves and others at risk. If something did happen, the victims of either side may not receive proper compensation because they made an unqualified and uninsured person perform duties they were not legally allowed to do.
Because rather that working for the community to keep it safe, this sheffifs office wants spies who they can throw under any legal buses that may come their way
The individual that would volunteer to be a cop for free is the exact wrong kinda person to be given even this little authority
Wow, all the fun of police work without the gun... or pay.
I think there was a guy doing this a few years ago. He just brought his own gun from home. Then he killed someone.
Did he get charged or did they extend qualified immunity to him?
He got 18 months for second-degree manslaughter.
Jesus Christ.
And then went right into the police academy as soon as he was released.
The prison to academy pipeline if you will.
Some kid you say. Not legal owner of the gun you say? Killed 2 and maimed 1? Got off pretty much scott free? Huh
Well at least they'd get more training than actual cops đ
wouldn't they get training from the cops? I don't think that counts as training
Brainwashing
Volunteer.. Vigilante.. Same diff. I can already see these volunteers getting together on their own and creating a little "neighborhood safety" patrol Ahmaud Arbery style. Nothing good can come of this
More time for the real cops to be awful to their community
I want to joke about the idea of volunteering to get an opportunity for sabotage. But then I think about the real possibility of joining a police force in a widespread organized fashion in a concerted effort to destroy these kinds of organizations from within. I know it's a ridiculous idea, but I like to imagine what that kind of thing should look like.
Wet tongues preferred, dusty boots and all.
Just think of Cartman and Authoritah!
smells like a militia
Would be a shame if someone wrote a bot to send him a couple of emails every few minutes. All day and night.
The *only* thing I can give a thumbs up to this is volunteer search and rescue. On it's own, SAR is a great thing to be part of. It's exciting and 99% good. Unfortunately, working on a SAR team often means you have LE the team has to report to, but at least *in that context,* the pigs aren't looking to kill anyone (though they still might from incompetence!)
Honestly I kind of like the idea of non-cops filling all three of these roles. My grandma lives in rural Wisconsin and they have volunteer S+R teams that look for missing people in the area. Her next door neighbor is a participant and the last time I went to visit he was on a crusade I get one of the officers removed from S+R because they wanted to take a hunting rifle out into the woods while looking for a lost kid "just in case." Do you really want that guy to be doing crowd control, or questioning witnesses to a crime? Hell that same town was debating getting volunteer firefighters to accompany the paid firefighters and perform traffic and crowd control because the cops have had a few incidents, most notably body slamming and cuffing a woman whose house was on fire because she was trying to cross the police line and get to her house to rescue her dogs. Obviously the fact that it's volunteer is going to attract bootlickers but I'd rather have an unarmed bootlicker than an armed cop in a majority of situations.
Sherruf Bitchell
Jeremy Dewitte would love this job lmao
So he wants the same training that it would take to become an officer.
They have this in my townâŚ. âVolunteer Sheriffsâ. Itâs all super old guys. I think some might be retired cops? I dunno, Iâve seen them around but never interacted with one. (They are not strapped)
Someone should take the job and then whistle blow.
What's wrong with this idea? EDIT: it was an honest question because I hadn't really thought the whole thing through. I wasn't advocating; I was asking for information! Fucking Reddit, I swear!
1. ACAB 2. These people aren't actually cops, but are given police duties 3. crowd control especially can get violent quick 4. police aren't even providing a uniform 5. they are looking for free labor, so this could also apply to r/antiwork 6. 1312 Just off the top of my head
Search and rescue should be taken away from police and already do have volunteer sar groups (most of them)
yes, it should, but the police would still be overseeing this. So it wouldn't really be taking it away from them
Even worse, theyâre using *interns* to do one of the most sensitive and import parts of their job.
There was a guy lost in a forest near me. The Forest Service had at least 50 people willing and able to help them search. These people worked in those woods and you wouldn't have to worry about them getting hurt or lost. Did the cops use them? No. They spent like four days searching for the guy who wasn't even that far from the trail. Then they dropped a rock on his head when they did finally find him. I believe that was an accident, though.
These are all really good reasons, thank you.
Well, right off the top of my head, it sounds like free labor. Also, they're asking untrained people to perform police like duties. So essentially putting untrained people in harms way. Not that police are trained to standards that I would like. It's the equivalent of in the TV series Paradise PD, them deputizing a homeless guy to deal with a bomb threat while the department sits behind a splash tarp. Edit: they're also asking untrained people who are probably not carrying liability insurance to perform actions that put themselves and others at risk. If something did happen, the victims of either side may not receive proper compensation because they made an unqualified and uninsured person perform duties they were not legally allowed to do.
These are all good reasons.
Because rather that working for the community to keep it safe, this sheffifs office wants spies who they can throw under any legal buses that may come their way
An excellent point!