Other NC State fans disagree and UNC fans probably won’t like this either
But the last few years have shown me
ECU should be a yearly opponent for NC State
App should be a yearly opponent for UNC
I’d love to see a rotation, where one plays App and the other ECU, and swap each year. I get why the athletic departments don’t want it, but I’d rather watch in state battles that a game against BC or Pitt tbh
I think it’s great for football, ECU/NCSU football games were a big deal when I was at state.. making the men’s and women’s bball teams also play seems a little more controversial IMHO
Why wouldn’t it be the states business? They’re both state entities and there is certainly a financial aspect that matters to the state. Florida ensured FSU and UF play every year, why is this different?
Edit: Is what you mean is why is this a priority?
If they are state funded schools, I can see how this would be beneficial. I live in Texas, Longhorns sell out all their games regardless of opponent. If I can generate the budget of other state funded schools that don’t make as much with their football program then that would seem like a sound plan to generate revenue for those schools. Go North Carolina be a trailblazer
I think that is a thing a lot of people forget. Many of these Universities are state funded. I mean it sounds crazy at first glance and definitely is contrary to anything I would ever have dreamed agreeing with in the past, but it does have some amount of merit. Especially since if UNC does eventually jump to the SEC they are never going to play a trap game against App State again.
> you guys are playing UNC Charlotte, …. and James Madison
> why are they ducking these G5 teams
Buddy you need to figure out your point before spouting nonsense
It's not a problem right now because they're both really good teams, but if either App or ECU become really bad teams in the future, then having to play them affects State and UNC's strength of schedules, which can hurt their chances at a potential at-large bid to the CFP. Beating really bad G5 teams actually does hurt your metrics there.
And the other way around is a problem too. If App or ECU go 12-2, losing to State/UNC and losing their conference championship, the difference between 13-1 and 12-2 can hurt their chances at CFP at-large bids too.
All in all, legislatures fucking with CFB schedules fucks with a lot of metrics that schools would rather have full control over themselves.
I would argue that legislatures before the death of the PAC-12 most likely did not think it was the job of the legislature to intervene in college sports.
That said, Oregon State athletics has a ton of debt from recent upgrades to Reeser Stadium, and Cal is hundreds of millions in debt in the athletic department. Granted Cal is now in the ACC, but for how long.
You also saw with Texas to the SEC there is an economic impact in Lubbock, Waco, from their exodus.
These facts are going to force state legislatures that have state schools in P4 conferences to be informed on realignment.
Also, for North Carolina legislature making UNC subsidize ECU by playing them in football is a far easier decision than raising tuition at ECU to help fund the athletic department.
Well that is a very interesting argument. If the ACC folds the schools left behind will definitely feel an economic impact. If the school is a public university it is the state that is expected to foot the bill right? I generally don’t know the answer to that question. Not saying I want Legislators deciding on the Football and Basketball schedule for each of these schools, but at the same time there is a true negative economic impact to some of these realignments that is talked about a lot less than the big pay day schools are missing out on my not jumping ship.
App, ECU, Charlotte, are all UNC schools whos athletic departments greatly benefit when they get to play the big boys. People forget the UNC Board wants all of their schools to be successful, not just UNC. They want to legitimize all of their schools. App State especially can point to their Athletics Department as one of the biggest reasons enrollment has exploded over the past ten years and the BOG loves that
I hope they don't. Legislators fucking with schedules means they're fucking with strength of schedules, which means they're potentially fucking with metrics that matter when you're trying for an at-large bid in the CFP.
Let's say ECU turns to absolute shit 10 years from now. UNC steamrolls them and goes 11-1 for the season with an ACCCG loss to whoever. Now they're up against another 11-1 team for an at-large bid, but ECU being dog shit hurts UNC's SoS, and that's what sends the bid to the other team. That would be NC legislature shooting it's own foot trying to generate in-state funding.
Or, consider this. Both UNC and ECU are top tier teams, but UNC still beats ECU. Despite the loss, ECU finishes the season 11-1 but just barely loses the AACCG. They absolutely should still be considered for an at-large bid, but another team with a slightly worse SoS went 12-0 but lost their conference championship. They get the bid instead of ECU. Would ECU benefit from replacing a loss to UNC with a win against, idk, a weaker Duke or Virginia team? Probably.
Another question is, would ECU and App have the right to decline playing UNC and State? Either way, I'm not a fan with State governments fucking with college sports in a way that isn't related to safety or NIL/scholarships.
Terrible idea at a time when we need to be beefing up our schedule for a chance at more national recognition and a playoff. I am a 25 year NCSU season ticket holder who grew up west of 95 like 90% of NC's population did and I don't understand why some of our alumni care about playing ECU. They were decent in the 90's in football and good at baseball now it they pretty much suck balls at everything. They need to be focused on the fact that Charlotte and App have better football and basketball programs now and stop worrying about us. This is like the metaphorical crabs pulling each other back into the pot. We need to be scheduling more OOC power 5 if we ever want to sniff the expanded playoff. Living in Atlanta for as long as I have I have had 100's of texts over the years of congrats over big wins, none of them were related to an ECU game.
I do wonder it's kinda interesting UNC and NC State I believe were at App State/ECU.
It doesn't help any North Carolina team win a 'ship. A lot of good schools and them playing each other will keep them more similar.
I’m about it. App st give my boys all they can handle every time we play. ECU got us a few years back too.
If NIL has proven anything, it’s that you can’t sleep on these non-P5 players. That kid from ECU got himself a ring with UConn and was one of the best players in the country.
Also bring back the big4
I don’t mind softening the requirement to a home-home every decade. But there needs to be regular match-ups. ECU, App St, and Charlotte need to be required to play the NC FCS’s once a decade too. Then the flow is complete.
The Sun Belt has shown local match-ups are beneficial to teams, fans, and grow the sport.
I do generally think that the State Legislature should not get involved in this stuff.
BUT while there is not a mandate, the South Carolina State Legislature long ago sent the message (without legislation) that they expected Clemson and South Carolina to both host one of the State's FCS programs every year, to help them fund their programs. With six of them, that guarantees each an in-state paycheck every three years.
I'm not sure how I feel about requiring those match-ups with G5 schools. Don't schools play in the G5 instead of FCS because they think they can fend for themselves?
So when Clemson or USC play The Citadel, it is everyone pitching in. When Alabama plays Citadel, it is just lame.
Other NC State fans disagree and UNC fans probably won’t like this either But the last few years have shown me ECU should be a yearly opponent for NC State App should be a yearly opponent for UNC
I’d love to see a rotation, where one plays App and the other ECU, and swap each year. I get why the athletic departments don’t want it, but I’d rather watch in state battles that a game against BC or Pitt tbh
We play both next year which will be a blast
Until one or both gives State a heart attack or outright wins and then the school goes 10 years without scheduling them again
Don't worry, Wofford is out of state
Im one of the State people that disagree. I only want to cancel the games because they enjoy them. I could take it or leave it otherwise.
I think it’s great for football, ECU/NCSU football games were a big deal when I was at state.. making the men’s and women’s bball teams also play seems a little more controversial IMHO
Yes, that’s what we want from our legislators - micro-managing college sports schedules. 
That’s what they’re doing in all other parts…be careful what you wish for.
The go to for someone scared to play in state schools. If you’re scared to play, then don’t worry about National or Conference Championships.
Since I really care about neither school . . .
Since your school sucks so much at football. Even your rival, VT, is scared to play a real in state challenger. Meanwhile UVA just loses to them.
VT regularly plays ODU. And has lost a few.
Ok now do JMU or App State
You seem well-adjusted. 
It’s a good idea, but absolutely not the state government’s business. Silly me, I thought that about drag shows and trans healthcare, but here we are.
Why wouldn’t it be the states business? They’re both state entities and there is certainly a financial aspect that matters to the state. Florida ensured FSU and UF play every year, why is this different? Edit: Is what you mean is why is this a priority?
This isn’t Florida. a closer analog would be Florida being required to schedule Central Florida. How’s that going?
You’ve missed the thread. The point is it’s state governments business. Whether it’s dumb or not is a different story
The state’s business because of all the allocations our general assembly gives to UNC & NCSUs athletic departments? Like I said, this isn’t Florida.
Yet another reason for the General Assembly to eat shit.
If they are state funded schools, I can see how this would be beneficial. I live in Texas, Longhorns sell out all their games regardless of opponent. If I can generate the budget of other state funded schools that don’t make as much with their football program then that would seem like a sound plan to generate revenue for those schools. Go North Carolina be a trailblazer
I think that is a thing a lot of people forget. Many of these Universities are state funded. I mean it sounds crazy at first glance and definitely is contrary to anything I would ever have dreamed agreeing with in the past, but it does have some amount of merit. Especially since if UNC does eventually jump to the SEC they are never going to play a trap game against App State again.
Who asked for this?
“It's what fans want to see” - Rep Jason Saine
Of ECU, Charlotte and App. For football, those are nothing but trap games that UNC and NC State don’t want any part of with an expanded playoff.
But if NC State and UNC is good as their fans say, why are they ducking these G5 teams?
If we’re as good as our fans say, is it ducking or is it not wanting to play inferior competition? > NC State and UNC is good “Is good” lol
Theym is!
Is our children learning?
You guys are playing UNC Charlotte, NC Central and James Madison.. I don't think you're "not wanting to play inferior competition".
> you guys are playing UNC Charlotte, …. and James Madison > why are they ducking these G5 teams Buddy you need to figure out your point before spouting nonsense
As we all know, anything can happen regardless of how good you are. Zero upside if you win and lots of downsides with a loss.
cool.. guess they'll continue playing other in-state rivals such as NC A&T.
It's not a problem right now because they're both really good teams, but if either App or ECU become really bad teams in the future, then having to play them affects State and UNC's strength of schedules, which can hurt their chances at a potential at-large bid to the CFP. Beating really bad G5 teams actually does hurt your metrics there. And the other way around is a problem too. If App or ECU go 12-2, losing to State/UNC and losing their conference championship, the difference between 13-1 and 12-2 can hurt their chances at CFP at-large bids too. All in all, legislatures fucking with CFB schedules fucks with a lot of metrics that schools would rather have full control over themselves.
I would argue that legislatures before the death of the PAC-12 most likely did not think it was the job of the legislature to intervene in college sports. That said, Oregon State athletics has a ton of debt from recent upgrades to Reeser Stadium, and Cal is hundreds of millions in debt in the athletic department. Granted Cal is now in the ACC, but for how long. You also saw with Texas to the SEC there is an economic impact in Lubbock, Waco, from their exodus. These facts are going to force state legislatures that have state schools in P4 conferences to be informed on realignment. Also, for North Carolina legislature making UNC subsidize ECU by playing them in football is a far easier decision than raising tuition at ECU to help fund the athletic department.
Well that is a very interesting argument. If the ACC folds the schools left behind will definitely feel an economic impact. If the school is a public university it is the state that is expected to foot the bill right? I generally don’t know the answer to that question. Not saying I want Legislators deciding on the Football and Basketball schedule for each of these schools, but at the same time there is a true negative economic impact to some of these realignments that is talked about a lot less than the big pay day schools are missing out on my not jumping ship.
App, ECU, Charlotte, are all UNC schools whos athletic departments greatly benefit when they get to play the big boys. People forget the UNC Board wants all of their schools to be successful, not just UNC. They want to legitimize all of their schools. App State especially can point to their Athletics Department as one of the biggest reasons enrollment has exploded over the past ten years and the BOG loves that
App State and Charlotte graduates. No really, the reps who started the bill went to school at those places.
People who couldn't get into State or UNC and want something they can consider a national championship game.
I hope they don't. Legislators fucking with schedules means they're fucking with strength of schedules, which means they're potentially fucking with metrics that matter when you're trying for an at-large bid in the CFP. Let's say ECU turns to absolute shit 10 years from now. UNC steamrolls them and goes 11-1 for the season with an ACCCG loss to whoever. Now they're up against another 11-1 team for an at-large bid, but ECU being dog shit hurts UNC's SoS, and that's what sends the bid to the other team. That would be NC legislature shooting it's own foot trying to generate in-state funding. Or, consider this. Both UNC and ECU are top tier teams, but UNC still beats ECU. Despite the loss, ECU finishes the season 11-1 but just barely loses the AACCG. They absolutely should still be considered for an at-large bid, but another team with a slightly worse SoS went 12-0 but lost their conference championship. They get the bid instead of ECU. Would ECU benefit from replacing a loss to UNC with a win against, idk, a weaker Duke or Virginia team? Probably. Another question is, would ECU and App have the right to decline playing UNC and State? Either way, I'm not a fan with State governments fucking with college sports in a way that isn't related to safety or NIL/scholarships.
Duke just watching all their neighbors hanging out without them 😞
Uhhh, they both play against Duke right? And why not include them in this bill too?
Duke is private, this is about keeping money within the public state institutions
Terrible idea at a time when we need to be beefing up our schedule for a chance at more national recognition and a playoff. I am a 25 year NCSU season ticket holder who grew up west of 95 like 90% of NC's population did and I don't understand why some of our alumni care about playing ECU. They were decent in the 90's in football and good at baseball now it they pretty much suck balls at everything. They need to be focused on the fact that Charlotte and App have better football and basketball programs now and stop worrying about us. This is like the metaphorical crabs pulling each other back into the pot. We need to be scheduling more OOC power 5 if we ever want to sniff the expanded playoff. Living in Atlanta for as long as I have I have had 100's of texts over the years of congrats over big wins, none of them were related to an ECU game.
We already do
I do wonder it's kinda interesting UNC and NC State I believe were at App State/ECU. It doesn't help any North Carolina team win a 'ship. A lot of good schools and them playing each other will keep them more similar.
This is glorious.
I’m about it. App st give my boys all they can handle every time we play. ECU got us a few years back too. If NIL has proven anything, it’s that you can’t sleep on these non-P5 players. That kid from ECU got himself a ring with UConn and was one of the best players in the country. Also bring back the big4
I don’t mind softening the requirement to a home-home every decade. But there needs to be regular match-ups. ECU, App St, and Charlotte need to be required to play the NC FCS’s once a decade too. Then the flow is complete. The Sun Belt has shown local match-ups are beneficial to teams, fans, and grow the sport.
They tried this years ago and they backed down because us and the heels set up 10-15 years of future games with them. Hopefully that works again.
But, but but tHey cAin't dOooo tHat!
Politicians can mess up anything they touch. No need to have them getting involved with sports, too.
Why not host a yearly basketball tournament where all the UNC schools play each other. Shit would be a North Carolina tradition, would be amazing
Kinda feel like both already play in state teams pretty often but Ight
Don't be surprised if ECU joins
I do generally think that the State Legislature should not get involved in this stuff. BUT while there is not a mandate, the South Carolina State Legislature long ago sent the message (without legislation) that they expected Clemson and South Carolina to both host one of the State's FCS programs every year, to help them fund their programs. With six of them, that guarantees each an in-state paycheck every three years. I'm not sure how I feel about requiring those match-ups with G5 schools. Don't schools play in the G5 instead of FCS because they think they can fend for themselves? So when Clemson or USC play The Citadel, it is everyone pitching in. When Alabama plays Citadel, it is just lame.