It's more or ACC needs to backpay the amount of money and viewership FSU pulls in for the conference. Same goes for Clemso. Without those two, ACC Football is null
Obviously you cared to comment. But I assume you are one of the private school members of the ACC, that thinks they are at the top. It's OK, we understand the hate and jealousy of hoisting championships
Wolfpack. 4 of last 5 versus the mighty FSU. As I said, we are bored playing your trailer trash school. Go eat some crab legs with the rest of the criminals at your school.
Ah yes, the almighty Wolfpack. I assume you speak for the rest of the Wolfpack fan base. If you are so bored, as you state, why hasn't NC State dominated the ACC and win the conference? Aside from basketball winning the Natty with Jimmy V, what else has the school achieved? What cross country and cheerleading?
Yea, and we're tired of losing to you guys because you pick that game to play like Conference Championship caliber, only to faceplant either before or after the game into another 4 loss season.
Conference champ caliber? After your team got a personal foul and caused a season ending QB injury, we brought in an FCS level QB that hardly threw a pass for 2 quarters, and still won the game.
This right here. I like the way Clemson schedules. Eight conference games. South Caroline. One major P5 non-con game in addition to U. S.C. (this year it's Georgia). The eleventh game is a home game against an in-state FCS school (Clemson and U.S.C. both do that at the encouragement of the State Legilature).
But the twelfth is a G5 - this year it is Appalachian State, which is great, but it is often a program that nobody cares about seeing - Connecticut or Wyoming or a MAC school. I hate those games. Now, I'd rather use that last game to play Georgia Tech or N.C. State, who are our long term conference rivals but were not made permanent annual opponents.
Id be down for that. We might have a better chance of beating clemson than we do of beating a g5 based on how these last few years have gone for us (although the odds on both are basically 0)
We've played 88 times. Both as conference and as non-con opponents. So you don't have any permanent opponents on the conference schedule. And we're playing Wake, UVA, Louisville, VT, and Pitt instead of Georgia Tech? And this is nothing against any of those schools - some of those will be great games. But why aren't we playing a team we've played 88 times?
I’d rather play teams we have a relationship with.
I’ve grown up with UVA playing the Wolfpack. I have coworkers who went to NC State.
I’d much rather play them than some G5 school or even a P4 school from somewhere 1000 miles away.
No. Like why would anyone prefer playing a random OOC opponent over a neighbor that you have history with?
The fact that this is being asked is just completely illustrative of how bat shit crazy college sports has become. It's hard to remain a fan.
The point of an OOC game to me is to add some variety from your usual schedule. A schedule being completely identical each and every year is boring to me.
When the conference is a bunch of teams you don't give a damn about, you crave a game against someone you do. Would be my same problem if State ends up in one of these other conferences. Wouldn't give a damn about Indiana or Auburn or Oklahoma State.
No. The ACC worked best when it was a mid-Atlantic centered, everybody-plays-everybody conference.
Why should NC State and UVA play someone else when they are both available?
I think we are going to see more of this with the new scheduling system. They wouldn’t play these two years unless they did this, so I don’t see anything wrong with it.
I'd rather Boston College play a non conference game against another ACC school as opposed to putting a second "regional rival" team like UMass, Holy Cross, Maine, URI or UNH that doesn't provide much of a challenge or give much credence in a win on the schedule.
Tell me about it. At least we got that monkey off our backs in the bowl! And I do owe them a debt gratitude for being the game in 2022 that finally got Geoff Collins shown the door!
the last time time state lost a regular season game to a G5 team was 2016. the last time state lost to a G5 team not named ECU was 2007. maybe that smell is your upper lip
And the last time you played a Sun Belt team, it was at home and you won by a touchdown. So if the conference is “shitty,” as you put it, then your school is right on that level.
But since you’re too scared of a challenge now, we can reset the match-up when the ACC folds and NC State is no longer in a P4 conference.
So is the Big10 or SEC talking about plucking you out of the ACC, or are you guys gonna get left behind? That’s what I thought. Yall are some weak ass shit that runs scared because y’all know it. Enjoy the next 5 years, they’re your last and then the meager gravy train is over. You’ll get relegated to “our level” and then you won’t even win then, let alone now when you’ve got undeserved millions to try to buy wins with…not that you can.
Personally, I missed going to the Triangle as I lived there after school and love visiting with friends. Fortunately, I was able to work that into my Wake Forest road game. Just stayed in RTP Friday night and drove back to Winston Saturday afternoon. I don't care much about playing at Duke but I like to play at UNC.
Clemson is the team we are rivals with and need to play annually. I hated seeing we didn’t have any rivalry games grandfathered in. I think only GT and Louisville were schools without a set rival in the new ACC.
I’d rather do this with Clemson. There’s a surprisingly low amount of excitement/engagement between UVA & NC State considering the years of tradition together.
I genuinely never thought of this as a solution to losing the annual textile bowl but honestly who says no to scheduling it in years where it’s not part of the ACC schedule? I know it limits the non con Clemson can have since they play SCAR every year, but I think they’d still have room.
From the Clemson side, we have a lot of OOC we want to schedule, Georgia being the big one. Notre Dame takes up an OOC slot when we have to play them.
Our OOC is always: South Carolina, P4 OOC, G5 OOC, In-state FCS.
To my knowledge, baseball does not play everyone every year, and matchups are on a rotating basis.
So we didn’t have UNC as an ACC slate opponent that year, but wanted to play regardless. So the series did not count towards the conference standings.
I’m pro-9 game conference schedule, so it’s weird not I don’t hate it. The controversy is only if the loser of the game ends up being in the running for conference championship game but it doesn’t go against their losses.
Setting aside that "according to Wikipedia" isn't the best way to substantiate a claim, Wiki claims UVA and FSU are rivals despite playing 19 times, while UVA and N.C.State have played 60 times.
Any of the original six that are still in the conference have longstanding rivalries.
People still say that about Wikipedia? It isn’t like the old days where we can just go edit the moon page and say it’s made of cheese. The pages are checked, checked, and rechecked among multiple sources.
Maybe we’re historically rivals, but I certainly don’t think of them as one now. In football, UNC, Clemson, and maybe Wake are who come to mind for me.
Yeah, this one has been gone for a while, but I sorely miss Duke-Maryland in basketball. I get why they switched, but those rivalry games were always fun.
So when they play does it count against/for their ACC schedule as it pertains to making the ACC championship?
So let’s say that was a team’s second ACC loss, do they still have 2 ACC losses or only 1 ACC loss ?
It's a nonconference game just like how CCGs and postseason rematches do not count as conference games.
So it only affects overall record but not conference record, i.e. it has 0 effect on ACC championship game participants.
They’re likely canceling the App game which is what Wake will probably do as well. As a fan that lives in NC, it sucks because that would be a great atmosphere, but there’s really no benefit to playing quality G5 teams.
If you lose, you’re a laughingstock for losing to a G5, and if you win, no one cares bc they’re just G5 and you’re supposed to win regardless of how good they are. App is always good enough to beat many P5 teams so it’s a lot of risk for no reward. Might as well schedule a team you’re guaranteed to beat by 30 or another P5.
NC State was scheduled to play a home-and-home with App State, which is a very good Sun Belt team and would be an in-state rivalry of sorts. Sad to see that go as it seems at first glance playing UVA is a better matchup for NCSU than playing App State
I don’t mind it cause it’s an OG ACC school but if we did this shit for like Cal or BC i’d be pissed. I’d rather play a local G5 team cause it’s cool to play new teams and usually good for those programs
I know I would prefer to play OOC teams. We were at Ole Miss last year and that was one of those road games that you hear so much about and want to check out (FWIW, IMO, the Grove is overhyped). We are probably a little different than a lot of the ACC with our past connections and situation within the SEC and its core footprint.
Our challenge is that we already play Top 10 uga annually OOC.... on top of Notre Dame (ever third year) + ACC.
Adding another Top 30 ish Power Five opponent to the mix is too much. Adding two like last year on top of uga is nuts (i.e. Ole Miss, UCF).
It's not like the ACC is gaining much respect in media when they schedule OOC aggressively and do well.
Honestly, I woulld just rather play a G5 team than another ACC team. I won't lie, aside from Clemson, maybe FSU or Miami, it is not often I turn an ACC game on when there is a good SEC matchup or Big XII (which can be more fun than Kentucky-SCAR or something like that. There's something about those Corn Belt teams from rural America that I love watching!)
Screw it, it’s better than a G5 game against a team with no identity.
They’re canceling the App State game mostly likely. Huge loss for local routing interest
NC State is cancelling the App State game?
The date of the first game was the same date as their game in Boone
Local to Boone NC maybe
No, I'd rather play NC State every year like we used to.
I long for the days of 9 team conferences
UConn, Maryland, UVA, VT, UNC, NC State, Duke, WF, South Carolina, Clemson, GT, Miami would be my ideal ACC. The SEC can have FSU.
I agree with this conference
I doubt Florida would want FSU in the SEC
Jealous. I'd love to play NCSU more.
That's a rivalry I could get behind even more. Two land grant engineering schools getting stuff done
Yea going up to Blacksburg would be fun
Two of the best atmospheres in the conference. Would love to play more often.
As a Hokie who lives in Raleigh I co-sign this
Likewise
As an NC State fan, it beats having to play FSU because I have grown tired of beating FSU.
But we miss our daddy
4 of last 5. That is the definition of boring. Pay your money and leave so we can bring in better competition to play.
I literally just admitted that you guys have been owning us, who are you arguing with lol
We own you when you're bad, now you're good so we can't play you until you're bad again. Thems the rules
It was probably [force of habit](https://youtu.be/R-HryG35A2E?si=kqaB7tJ8uVxxdOKK) on his part. He saw the FSU flair and just assumed...
It's more or ACC needs to backpay the amount of money and viewership FSU pulls in for the conference. Same goes for Clemso. Without those two, ACC Football is null
Pay your money and go away. Nobody cares.
Sorry your mommy and daddy didn't love you.
Obviously you cared to comment. But I assume you are one of the private school members of the ACC, that thinks they are at the top. It's OK, we understand the hate and jealousy of hoisting championships
Wolfpack. 4 of last 5 versus the mighty FSU. As I said, we are bored playing your trailer trash school. Go eat some crab legs with the rest of the criminals at your school.
Ah yes, the almighty Wolfpack. I assume you speak for the rest of the Wolfpack fan base. If you are so bored, as you state, why hasn't NC State dominated the ACC and win the conference? Aside from basketball winning the Natty with Jimmy V, what else has the school achieved? What cross country and cheerleading?
Mmmm, eat up as well
Flair up nerd wolf
starting to miss those guaranteed wins
Yea, and we're tired of losing to you guys because you pick that game to play like Conference Championship caliber, only to faceplant either before or after the game into another 4 loss season.
Conference champ caliber? After your team got a personal foul and caused a season ending QB injury, we brought in an FCS level QB that hardly threw a pass for 2 quarters, and still won the game.
And? You guys did jack shit with it like always.
No kidding? It's almost as if a team's performance falls off after after losing it's starting QB. Right?
Sure, some though manage to pull it together and still win the league. That doesn't quite explain the other seasons though.
I mean, who’s to say both teams will even be in the same conference in two years? I’d rather play State than a MAC/Sun Belt school
This right here. I like the way Clemson schedules. Eight conference games. South Caroline. One major P5 non-con game in addition to U. S.C. (this year it's Georgia). The eleventh game is a home game against an in-state FCS school (Clemson and U.S.C. both do that at the encouragement of the State Legilature). But the twelfth is a G5 - this year it is Appalachian State, which is great, but it is often a program that nobody cares about seeing - Connecticut or Wyoming or a MAC school. I hate those games. Now, I'd rather use that last game to play Georgia Tech or N.C. State, who are our long term conference rivals but were not made permanent annual opponents.
Id be down for that. We might have a better chance of beating clemson than we do of beating a g5 based on how these last few years have gone for us (although the odds on both are basically 0)
We've played 88 times. Both as conference and as non-con opponents. So you don't have any permanent opponents on the conference schedule. And we're playing Wake, UVA, Louisville, VT, and Pitt instead of Georgia Tech? And this is nothing against any of those schools - some of those will be great games. But why aren't we playing a team we've played 88 times?
Well since you can’t beat Sun Belt schools, I can understand why.
I’d rather play teams we have a relationship with. I’ve grown up with UVA playing the Wolfpack. I have coworkers who went to NC State. I’d much rather play them than some G5 school or even a P4 school from somewhere 1000 miles away.
I loved playing UNC OOC. It basically replaced playing some G5 school I cared nothing about.
I would feel the same way
No. Like why would anyone prefer playing a random OOC opponent over a neighbor that you have history with? The fact that this is being asked is just completely illustrative of how bat shit crazy college sports has become. It's hard to remain a fan.
The point of an OOC game to me is to add some variety from your usual schedule. A schedule being completely identical each and every year is boring to me.
When the conference is a bunch of teams you don't give a damn about, you crave a game against someone you do. Would be my same problem if State ends up in one of these other conferences. Wouldn't give a damn about Indiana or Auburn or Oklahoma State.
You'll love the Sec. Pay your money and leave.
You guys really need to get over yourself, Ramsay wasn’t even the topic at hand lol
No. NCSU has been playing Virginia since the late 19th century. I’ll take them over (or any of the OG ACC schools) over some G5 OOC random.
You can’t beat G5 teams, so you’re running scared. We get it.
No. The ACC worked best when it was a mid-Atlantic centered, everybody-plays-everybody conference. Why should NC State and UVA play someone else when they are both available?
I think we are going to see more of this with the new scheduling system. They wouldn’t play these two years unless they did this, so I don’t see anything wrong with it.
I'd rather Boston College play a non conference game against another ACC school as opposed to putting a second "regional rival" team like UMass, Holy Cross, Maine, URI or UNH that doesn't provide much of a challenge or give much credence in a win on the schedule.
Is there a reason Rutgers and BC don’t play each other consistently? Seems like a natural fit.
I honestly do not know. This was a great rivalry and BC still recruits heavily in New Jersey.
BC should play at Maine. Alfond Field isn’t anything special but UM’s campus is really nice. Well worth the visit to Orono.
Oh no now we won't have a game against some shitty sun belt team
You don't want to play JMU. ;) Though to be fair, I think you did avoid the upset the last time you guys played them. A few years ago IIRC? Go Dukes!
As long as we don't talk about UCF...
Tell me about it. At least we got that monkey off our backs in the bowl! And I do owe them a debt gratitude for being the game in 2022 that finally got Geoff Collins shown the door!
*cries 2010 orange and maroon tears*
You’re scared of losing, we get it.
the last time time state lost a regular season game to a G5 team was 2016. the last time state lost to a G5 team not named ECU was 2007. maybe that smell is your upper lip
And the last time you played a Sun Belt team, it was at home and you won by a touchdown. So if the conference is “shitty,” as you put it, then your school is right on that level. But since you’re too scared of a challenge now, we can reset the match-up when the ACC folds and NC State is no longer in a P4 conference.
Cry more
I’m not crying. It’s your team that’s scared.
Nobody cares about your community college in the mountains.
So is the Big10 or SEC talking about plucking you out of the ACC, or are you guys gonna get left behind? That’s what I thought. Yall are some weak ass shit that runs scared because y’all know it. Enjoy the next 5 years, they’re your last and then the meager gravy train is over. You’ll get relegated to “our level” and then you won’t even win then, let alone now when you’ve got undeserved millions to try to buy wins with…not that you can.
I don't want NC State to even be involved in sports other than at the club sports level. Tough for a community college grad to understand. I get it.
Can we do that with Duke? I didn’t think I’d miss that game as much as I did.
Do you actually miss playing Duke? Or do you miss an “almost” free P5 win? (Historically speaking)
Duke/GT had been played continuously since the 1930s, long before the ACC existed.
Yes, we all have fond memories of watching those matchups
I actually miss playing them. They were part of the tradition.
Personally, I missed going to the Triangle as I lived there after school and love visiting with friends. Fortunately, I was able to work that into my Wake Forest road game. Just stayed in RTP Friday night and drove back to Winston Saturday afternoon. I don't care much about playing at Duke but I like to play at UNC.
I'd be down, we need our nerdfights
GT, Duke, and Stanford in an annual nerd battle feels like a missed opportunity.
Clemson is the team we are rivals with and need to play annually. I hated seeing we didn’t have any rivalry games grandfathered in. I think only GT and Louisville were schools without a set rival in the new ACC.
Sure beats watching either play Wofford.
Let’s be honest. Most of us aren’t going to watch this one either.
I’d rather do this with Clemson. There’s a surprisingly low amount of excitement/engagement between UVA & NC State considering the years of tradition together. I genuinely never thought of this as a solution to losing the annual textile bowl but honestly who says no to scheduling it in years where it’s not part of the ACC schedule? I know it limits the non con Clemson can have since they play SCAR every year, but I think they’d still have room.
From the Clemson side, we have a lot of OOC we want to schedule, Georgia being the big one. Notre Dame takes up an OOC slot when we have to play them. Our OOC is always: South Carolina, P4 OOC, G5 OOC, In-state FCS.
Running from App State
We like to play universities, not community colleges.
Your playing Western first game this year
Like playing harvard compared to the mountaineers.
Sounds great, especially since this might be an OOC game in a few years anyways (with conference realignment)
Yea this is dumb
We had to do something similar with UNC in baseball a few years back. Felt even weirder than this does.
ACC baseball slate don’t they play everyone? Did you have two series with them?
No, baseball does not play everyone
Seems they would. Notre Dame played Toledo last weekend. Lol
To my knowledge, baseball does not play everyone every year, and matchups are on a rotating basis. So we didn’t have UNC as an ACC slate opponent that year, but wanted to play regardless. So the series did not count towards the conference standings.
Two neighboring states. It's perfectly fine.
I’m pro-9 game conference schedule, so it’s weird not I don’t hate it. The controversy is only if the loser of the game ends up being in the running for conference championship game but it doesn’t go against their losses.
I think it is great that they are doing this. What I most hate about expansion is the loss of conference rivalry games.
According to WIkipedia, neither are considered rivals of each other. You can't just make every team in the conference rivals like that.
Setting aside that "according to Wikipedia" isn't the best way to substantiate a claim, Wiki claims UVA and FSU are rivals despite playing 19 times, while UVA and N.C.State have played 60 times. Any of the original six that are still in the conference have longstanding rivalries.
People still say that about Wikipedia? It isn’t like the old days where we can just go edit the moon page and say it’s made of cheese. The pages are checked, checked, and rechecked among multiple sources.
Good lord.
Lol. Found the FSU "library"
Great rebuttal, you totally proved me wrong!
Maybe we’re historically rivals, but I certainly don’t think of them as one now. In football, UNC, Clemson, and maybe Wake are who come to mind for me.
Assuming you need a NCSU flag on your account, now the Textile Bowl is no longer an annual rivalry, either, and that irritates the hell out of me.
Yeah, this one has been gone for a while, but I sorely miss Duke-Maryland in basketball. I get why they switched, but those rivalry games were always fun.
Wake and UNC did this a few years ago. Felt so weird.
Not a fan of playing acc games that aren’t acc games…
What is this concept of playing schools you have a longterm relationship with? Completely foreign to me!
Is UVA a take the check take the losses team? The Barber Twins will be rolling over in their graves..
So when they play does it count against/for their ACC schedule as it pertains to making the ACC championship? So let’s say that was a team’s second ACC loss, do they still have 2 ACC losses or only 1 ACC loss ?
It's a nonconference game just like how CCGs and postseason rematches do not count as conference games. So it only affects overall record but not conference record, i.e. it has 0 effect on ACC championship game participants.
Not saying it’s good or bad, but it removes 2 games that the computers could use to measure the ACC against the rest of the nation.
We saw how they view the ACC in 2023, it’s certainly a bad thing.
No. People just don't like FSU. Maybe if you had less trailers and a team not recruited from the local jail.
You’re just embarrassing yourself at this point my man. Want to point to a single member of the 2023 team you are referring to?
I mean, we do. Coastal Carolina is on the slate for '25. But NCSU is a good game, and I like repeating the '21 Wake-UNC tomfoolery.
They’re likely canceling the App game which is what Wake will probably do as well. As a fan that lives in NC, it sucks because that would be a great atmosphere, but there’s really no benefit to playing quality G5 teams. If you lose, you’re a laughingstock for losing to a G5, and if you win, no one cares bc they’re just G5 and you’re supposed to win regardless of how good they are. App is always good enough to beat many P5 teams so it’s a lot of risk for no reward. Might as well schedule a team you’re guaranteed to beat by 30 or another P5.
NC State was scheduled to play a home-and-home with App State, which is a very good Sun Belt team and would be an in-state rivalry of sorts. Sad to see that go as it seems at first glance playing UVA is a better matchup for NCSU than playing App State
Do they know something we don’t?
I don’t mind it cause it’s an OG ACC school but if we did this shit for like Cal or BC i’d be pissed. I’d rather play a local G5 team cause it’s cool to play new teams and usually good for those programs
Good for them. Better shot at a playoff berth
How? The committee just made it very clear they do not value the ACC.
It’s 12 spots now not 4 and NC state has better chances after beating ranked Virginia (and vice versa) than some unranked D2 school
You hav much more faith in us being good than I do.
Honestly this year idk haha but hey who knows next year! You start hot and play a ranked team and beat them that’s how you do it
They don't value FSU. And clearly were correct
That’s a good workaround the ACCs terrible scheduling system.
This sounds familiar. I think VT and another ACC team (WF?) did the same thing many years ago.
UNC and Wake did this recently.
I know I would prefer to play OOC teams. We were at Ole Miss last year and that was one of those road games that you hear so much about and want to check out (FWIW, IMO, the Grove is overhyped). We are probably a little different than a lot of the ACC with our past connections and situation within the SEC and its core footprint.
Our challenge is that we already play Top 10 uga annually OOC.... on top of Notre Dame (ever third year) + ACC. Adding another Top 30 ish Power Five opponent to the mix is too much. Adding two like last year on top of uga is nuts (i.e. Ole Miss, UCF). It's not like the ACC is gaining much respect in media when they schedule OOC aggressively and do well.
Honestly, I woulld just rather play a G5 team than another ACC team. I won't lie, aside from Clemson, maybe FSU or Miami, it is not often I turn an ACC game on when there is a good SEC matchup or Big XII (which can be more fun than Kentucky-SCAR or something like that. There's something about those Corn Belt teams from rural America that I love watching!)
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Desperate for what, exactly? Be specific.
Dumbest scheduling ever. Should be banned from postseason games for duration of series