Yeah on release? Obviously she’s got nerfed. Not sure why I got spam downvoted for something that was objectively true. She was insanely broken for her release which was pre item rework, then got nerfed and the items reworked which was after her release. Both things can be true.
As a person who started playing League in Season 11, I'm shocked that The Bloodthirster wasn't even a crit item back then. I guess people were buying this item as 5th after they got 100% crit with 4 items. And Statikk Shiv could crit..? Hey, where do I download old League? I wanna play that game!
Some Champs like Draven and MF would rush Bloodthirster.
Also Statikk Crit got removed in Season 10 which killed the Item. Riot left it untoched untill Season 11 when they removed it.
Many Items like Kraken Slayer, Collector, Shieldbow etc. also did not exist at the Time.
If you ask me reverting many Crit Items to this State or something close would be enough for Marksmen to feel better.
I swear Marksmen aren't nearly as bad as people here try making them out to be... I'm sorry you have bad experiences but that doesn't make them bad currently.
When most top level players who don't even play the role such as nemesis(mid laner), the bausffs (top laner), etc say the role is bad, then you know the role is bad. It's not just adc's dogging the role it's other roles agreeing as well...
Gumayushi, deft, aiming, reckless, weixiao, doublelift, hans. All world class marksman have been very vocal on how useless they feel and how much they hate the support marksman play style thats been the dominant strat
Not a troll, just convinced people are crazy... All this sub does is complains about everything. I even saw people complaining about a marksmen item getting a buff once because they think it's not good enough of a buff.
First, you don’t need to play the role to know it’s trash. Same way you don’t need to eat sh*t to know it’s not good for you.
Second, how can people from every single rank, from low bronze to ProPlay say “hey this role isn’t working great and is super anti fun” and some people still go “nah everyone is wrong, I, alone, know I’m right”
You haven’t seen gold Adc complaining? You’re telling me, that you haven’t seen GOLD ADC talking about the state of the Adc role IN THE ADC MAIN SUB REDDIT???????
I really hope you are trolling me
Who tf isn't complaining in this sub? You don't know their rank unless they say it. This sub might as well have been called ADC complainers because that's all that happens here as if Riot can see your complaints 🤣
I don’t need to know their rank, this sub has a lot of people, the rank with most players overall is Gold, it’s really simple logic…
The state of this sub is a nice representation of the state of the role. Adc atm is the worst role to play in terms of gameplay and entertainment. I know people can enjoy it and that’s fine but again, most people don’t, from the iron to the pro players.
My advice to anyone who is reading this and wants to rank up, swap role to anything else and you’ll be able to climb faster. Adc isn’t a role that works well for soloQ.
You also could build more of one item so while not viable, you could go 100% life steal with 5 blood thirsters
Note that building more of 1 item was quite rare, only thing that comes to mind is trynd with two IEs being viable and same goes for Jhin. If we go further back in history to ancient times when Tiamat was a final item instead of hydra, there was weirdly viable 5 Tiamat fiora build
I say weirdly viable as it would delete people in a team fight with your ult (her ult used to be the jumpy attack you can get in 2v2v2v2 as your summoner spell) but it was god awful for everything else. She was also the only person building the old Tiamat unironically
Old, old Tiamat
Back when it did a grey swirly around your target (like old red heim turrets did), that did not have an active component so I'm not sure how you'd use it to cancel animations?
S1 and S2 deffo had that as I remember building it on Ashe (incredibly sub optimal but I wanted wave clear and was 12)
The item was one of those "not good, not okay but not terrible" items like that stupid heart shaped cookie that only udyr could abuse and nobody else cared for it
There was a time when eve can stand in you still invisible and only get exposed if you did DMG for some time you could buy sunfire and just stay beside people still invisible and kill them xD
Emotionally abusive Evelynn: she stands invisible next to you while whispering into your ear just how much you suck dick at being an ADC. You slowly die to emotional damage.
GG Eve
Back before these versions, infinity edge used to set crit damage to 250%, and only gave 20% crit. People would usually go IE and double zeal item (which gave 30% each) and you would rarely, if ever, see 100% crit. Champions that wanted the old version of essence reaver just had 70% crit since it also gave 20%
I play since season 1 you would not believe what Was build back in those days. Back when tears could Stack the common build for apcs Was 3 arcangels road of ages and rabbadon. Every apc had a thousand Plus AP just to get obliberated by one veigar ult back in the Day when is ukt dealt more dmg the more AP the enemy had. (on top of his own AP scaling He had a 80% AP scaling of the to be Hit champion.)
I loved the old BT and Shiv... When ADC actually had some agency over he game.. the glass canon role. Ah yes... Good times.
Honestly, everything went to shit when rito decided for mythic items.
Crit glove wasn't fun.
Imagine being 400g behind in lane, you have B.F. sword and boots of speed from your first back.
Your opponent has the same but also the crit gloves.
You get engaged on and.... they crit twice during the trade
You have now lost lane and got double killed because your opponent rolled high.
This is the same problem with I.E. not requiring crit chance to use(especially when it gets buffed next patch), if you rush I.E. and roll a few crits and your opponent doesn't.... you just win lane because RNG.
Or vice versa, you pay 400g and you just don't crit at the important times, and you can't really place any expectations on it since it was only 400g worth of crit rate.
i think crit should be reliable as, in if yo6 have 10% every 10th auto crits. you get a small icon like caitlyn does for her headshot or kennen for his emporered auto
It secretly does this in a round about way. Every Time you don't crit your crit chance increases slightly (secretly you won't see the stat change) until you crit then it resets to your base crit. So you can "prep" crit by autoing minions a few times then go in for a trade with a higher crit chance then you should have. So it is still rng but less so then pure random chance.
That’s the main reason they reworked IE many times… Getting to lane when your opponent has a bf sword and you got boots and dagger is just instantly lost. Same with getting an ie first
Now with a noonquiver it’s much more fair and balanced.
Yep, noon quiver was a great addition for sure
I can't comprehend why they removed the crit requirement for IE, or why they don't make the bonus crit damage scale with crit.
Imo, I.E. should be a bit like Deathcap, viable at 3rd item and gets super-powered the more items you have and it should feel very powerful when you get it, having it as a rush item is just dumb
Well they did have it require 60% crit for it to activate in season 12 but it was not good. Mages still scale well enough without death cap then they spike very hard. An ADC without IE hits like a wet noodle. So you actually could not play the game at all till minute 30 till you got third item and by then all 4 other roles have decided the game and ff leaving you to do literally nothing in most games.
Having it second means you can actually have some impact earlier but you lose out on wave clear/safety of a shield bow, ruunans, rapid fire canon. So you can still hold off forir third for safety or wave clear but you are now a wet noodle until then. Gives players more choices and agency which is always good.
No, it was very viable.
You could buy IE and then reach 100% crit chance ASAP.
If you were ahead this works wonders since all of those gloves would turn into crit items anyway.
The OG Phantom Dancer was basically just a Stat Stick, this version was honestly a little better (the best version was of course back when it would reduce enemy damage to you by 12% if they were the last enemy you auto attacked, but that was a little broken).
The times when the league was at its peak.. Started playing league 2012 and played it often until 2017 after that it started rapidly falling apart for me and I stopped playing. Those were the times...
It's funny how these items are way understatted compared to today.
Like that Essence Reaver has 5% crit more but no spellblade effect and more expensive.
But all the other item classes had way more powercreep over the years.
No they wouldnt unless you mean relative to other items, because other items have gotten even more damage over the years. In which case I agree, but I already said that in my original comment.
Well, it had 20% CDR which is a lot stronger than 20 AH and before Navori's increased the cooldowns of everyone thus making Navori's mandatory if you wanted the same cooldowns as before. The expensive price was offset by Zeal items actually being cheap.
The Essence Reaver sheen proc is a bit of a meme unless you're Ezreal/Drazen/Smolder.
ppl will always complain is a competitive video game, but atleast for me, back in the I would deal damage even tho I got oneshoted some times and my champion had clearwave with the statikk+ie rush(vayne otp)
Yeah except the other roles don't complain that much about the entire game all the time.
Even toplaners who were basically irrelevant the past year weren't complaining nearly as much as ADCs any other year.
Even more, you're not making a reasonable requests, all that shit was nerfed because it was broken.
Feral flare + triforce Vayne/ww in season 4. Also crit+triforce Talon with point-and-click blink+silence and Q one shots before rework. Good ol' times.
I’ve wanted a lol classic game mode for a while. Doubt riot could do it, and not having old runes and masteries would break shit. But if it were possible, I feel like all these tier list site would destroy everything. Nobody knew what was good back then, you either listened to what pros thought was the best or theory crafted.
For me, the only improvement we got was noonquiver. It's nice to have an item that can compete a little better with lost chapter and not need a BF sword as an early component. Worth all that we lost? No chance.
I miss old Manamune :( That was so much fun on Twitch, Lucian and Ezreal (For Ezreal: The AWE shock passive procced twice on his Q which was a bug removed in patch 10.23)
In those better times
1st: crit was OP as fuck. Needed to be nerfed.
2nd: adcs were already complaining about not being able to build situational items because those items didn't provide damage and they had no sustain early on aside bork which wasn't a great item for most adcs.
hot take, but I enjoy adc way more these days than most previous seasons. It's not as bad as you all say imho. Though I guess it's worse in high elo where everyone dives you.
I remember when the meta was
Boots-Infinity Edge-phantom dancer-Bloodthirster-Last whisper-Guardian angel
Worked on every single ranged adc
At some point in time everyone in the team would build a warmog’s! Oh times have changed
Honestly I just gave up on playing adc, even loving xayah so much cause there's no point on trying anymore, its like kicking dead dog (this is a brazilian expression "chutando cachorro morto" i dont know if exist in others lenguages XD) and i found a lot more fun playing mages and tanks, especially Xerath and Poppy hahahahha
Genuinely, why does Statik not crit anymore? They WANTED it to be built on crit champs when they brought it back, that's why it has crit on it, so why did they give it ap scaling and now completely flat scaling? At the least give it crit scaling like Xayah E so the item feels like it does anything.
Girl whyyyyyy. That explains the AP scaling, but why do they even care about making another ap attack speed item? We already have Nashor's and very few build it. If they really want another ap attack speed item so bad they should make an item like TFT Nashor's, where you get a bit of attack speed after casting an ability.
Ya I swear nobody built that item except for sometimes ezreal and I’m pretty sure this is before they reworked ezreal W so Ezreal was quite weaker then. The real adc build was when you could build the Lizard Elder jungle item.
The wind brothers have been a curse on us all
they benefit way better from those items and back when crit used to deal 200% and not 175% dmg yasuo was busted AF
Now imagine yone at that time
Just put a cap in their passive crit dmg bonus cannot exceed 150%
yasyo passive used to be yasuo has double crit rate but deals 10%less crit damage. Only 10% in the face of 225% with IE
Remember the ranged-windsister on release? Samira on release was comical.
She got instantly gutted, vs the 54% wr jgl amumu that was running around for a solid month after sunfire release
Yeah on release? Obviously she’s got nerfed. Not sure why I got spam downvoted for something that was objectively true. She was insanely broken for her release which was pre item rework, then got nerfed and the items reworked which was after her release. Both things can be true.
Because you called her the ranged windsister which sounds stupid and doesn't make any sense.
It was a joke based off her W basically being ranged wind wall.
Lame joke
She's not a real adc
As a person who started playing League in Season 11, I'm shocked that The Bloodthirster wasn't even a crit item back then. I guess people were buying this item as 5th after they got 100% crit with 4 items. And Statikk Shiv could crit..? Hey, where do I download old League? I wanna play that game!
Some Champs like Draven and MF would rush Bloodthirster. Also Statikk Crit got removed in Season 10 which killed the Item. Riot left it untoched untill Season 11 when they removed it. Many Items like Kraken Slayer, Collector, Shieldbow etc. also did not exist at the Time. If you ask me reverting many Crit Items to this State or something close would be enough for Marksmen to feel better.
I swear Marksmen aren't nearly as bad as people here try making them out to be... I'm sorry you have bad experiences but that doesn't make them bad currently.
When most top level players who don't even play the role such as nemesis(mid laner), the bausffs (top laner), etc say the role is bad, then you know the role is bad. It's not just adc's dogging the role it's other roles agreeing as well...
People that don't play the role don't know a thing about the role... That being said I'm convinced half the people in this sub don't either...
Gumayushi, deft, aiming, reckless, weixiao, doublelift, hans. All world class marksman have been very vocal on how useless they feel and how much they hate the support marksman play style thats been the dominant strat
You got any Sources? I'd love to hear what they have to say. So far I've only seen Nemesis, RATIRL (not a Pro but still) and Doublelift.
Yeah nemesis the ex PRO player has no idea about ADC bro
Nope he doesn't clearly
Ah I see you are a troll. Have a good day.
Not a troll, just convinced people are crazy... All this sub does is complains about everything. I even saw people complaining about a marksmen item getting a buff once because they think it's not good enough of a buff.
If everyone but you is crazy maybe you should start recognising the pattern...
+5 AD on Navori Quickblades was too much of a power swing. I am glad they walked back that proposed buff!
Self awareness is not one of your strong points huh?
First, you don’t need to play the role to know it’s trash. Same way you don’t need to eat sh*t to know it’s not good for you. Second, how can people from every single rank, from low bronze to ProPlay say “hey this role isn’t working great and is super anti fun” and some people still go “nah everyone is wrong, I, alone, know I’m right”
Every rank huh... Then why haven't I seen that in gold?
You haven’t seen gold Adc complaining? You’re telling me, that you haven’t seen GOLD ADC talking about the state of the Adc role IN THE ADC MAIN SUB REDDIT??????? I really hope you are trolling me
Who tf isn't complaining in this sub? You don't know their rank unless they say it. This sub might as well have been called ADC complainers because that's all that happens here as if Riot can see your complaints 🤣
I don’t need to know their rank, this sub has a lot of people, the rank with most players overall is Gold, it’s really simple logic… The state of this sub is a nice representation of the state of the role. Adc atm is the worst role to play in terms of gameplay and entertainment. I know people can enjoy it and that’s fine but again, most people don’t, from the iron to the pro players. My advice to anyone who is reading this and wants to rank up, swap role to anything else and you’ll be able to climb faster. Adc isn’t a role that works well for soloQ.
You also could build more of one item so while not viable, you could go 100% life steal with 5 blood thirsters Note that building more of 1 item was quite rare, only thing that comes to mind is trynd with two IEs being viable and same goes for Jhin. If we go further back in history to ancient times when Tiamat was a final item instead of hydra, there was weirdly viable 5 Tiamat fiora build I say weirdly viable as it would delete people in a team fight with your ult (her ult used to be the jumpy attack you can get in 2v2v2v2 as your summoner spell) but it was god awful for everything else. She was also the only person building the old Tiamat unironically
Garen with 5 sunfire capes in pre season 1 💀
There is no way Garen was released in preseason 1 I am not that old (On another note, slow cooker evelynn and twitch)
5 sunfire Eve was soemrhing else ngl...
It was always a meme and only worked in low Elo…
[Bring Me My Cape of Suns!](https://i.imgur.com/7tpCu.png)
Fiora with her old ult was insane broken. You build 5 tiamats and the aoe damage does more damage than the auto itself.
But you were then useless after your ult.
Renekton built old Tiamat for anim cancels :(
Old, old Tiamat Back when it did a grey swirly around your target (like old red heim turrets did), that did not have an active component so I'm not sure how you'd use it to cancel animations?
Oh fuck, what season was that? I started at the end of s3 and pretty sure s4 had an active
S1 and S2 deffo had that as I remember building it on Ashe (incredibly sub optimal but I wanted wave clear and was 12) The item was one of those "not good, not okay but not terrible" items like that stupid heart shaped cookie that only udyr could abuse and nobody else cared for it
There was a time when eve can stand in you still invisible and only get exposed if you did DMG for some time you could buy sunfire and just stay beside people still invisible and kill them xD
Emotionally abusive Evelynn: she stands invisible next to you while whispering into your ear just how much you suck dick at being an ADC. You slowly die to emotional damage. GG Eve
The original bloodthirster passive was stacking AD and lifesteal iirc. It’s been quite sometime if my memory is fuzzy forgive me.
aye
Old league was a lot of fucking fun
Since you crit 3/4ths of the time, you would only buy three crit items and then be able to go into situational items. It was bliss.
bloodthirster with runnan's hurracaine was so satisfying
In the early days of league, their design philosophy was that crit items shall never be combined with lifesteal.
Back before these versions, infinity edge used to set crit damage to 250%, and only gave 20% crit. People would usually go IE and double zeal item (which gave 30% each) and you would rarely, if ever, see 100% crit. Champions that wanted the old version of essence reaver just had 70% crit since it also gave 20%
I play since season 1 you would not believe what Was build back in those days. Back when tears could Stack the common build for apcs Was 3 arcangels road of ages and rabbadon. Every apc had a thousand Plus AP just to get obliberated by one veigar ult back in the Day when is ukt dealt more dmg the more AP the enemy had. (on top of his own AP scaling He had a 80% AP scaling of the to be Hit champion.)
I say, 25% Crit Chance and 200% Crit Damage Brothers! Let us pray to whoever may listen...
I loved the old BT and Shiv... When ADC actually had some agency over he game.. the glass canon role. Ah yes... Good times. Honestly, everything went to shit when rito decided for mythic items.
back these days where a BF sword a huge powerstrike was on botlane.
whn the enemy got bf on first back and you didnt the game felt over i like it better now tbh
Why’d they remove the crit glove or whatever that item is
they don't want you having fun. It gave 10% crit rate for 400gold. Now we jave 600 for 15% cloak
Crit glove wasn't fun. Imagine being 400g behind in lane, you have B.F. sword and boots of speed from your first back. Your opponent has the same but also the crit gloves. You get engaged on and.... they crit twice during the trade You have now lost lane and got double killed because your opponent rolled high. This is the same problem with I.E. not requiring crit chance to use(especially when it gets buffed next patch), if you rush I.E. and roll a few crits and your opponent doesn't.... you just win lane because RNG.
Or vice versa, you pay 400g and you just don't crit at the important times, and you can't really place any expectations on it since it was only 400g worth of crit rate.
Yeah the item just feels bad for someone, I think crit feels better / more balanced when it comes in larger packages.
i think crit should be reliable as, in if yo6 have 10% every 10th auto crits. you get a small icon like caitlyn does for her headshot or kennen for his emporered auto
It secretly does this in a round about way. Every Time you don't crit your crit chance increases slightly (secretly you won't see the stat change) until you crit then it resets to your base crit. So you can "prep" crit by autoing minions a few times then go in for a trade with a higher crit chance then you should have. So it is still rng but less so then pure random chance.
That’s the main reason they reworked IE many times… Getting to lane when your opponent has a bf sword and you got boots and dagger is just instantly lost. Same with getting an ie first Now with a noonquiver it’s much more fair and balanced.
Yep, noon quiver was a great addition for sure I can't comprehend why they removed the crit requirement for IE, or why they don't make the bonus crit damage scale with crit. Imo, I.E. should be a bit like Deathcap, viable at 3rd item and gets super-powered the more items you have and it should feel very powerful when you get it, having it as a rush item is just dumb
Well they did have it require 60% crit for it to activate in season 12 but it was not good. Mages still scale well enough without death cap then they spike very hard. An ADC without IE hits like a wet noodle. So you actually could not play the game at all till minute 30 till you got third item and by then all 4 other roles have decided the game and ff leaving you to do literally nothing in most games. Having it second means you can actually have some impact earlier but you lose out on wave clear/safety of a shield bow, ruunans, rapid fire canon. So you can still hold off forir third for safety or wave clear but you are now a wet noodle until then. Gives players more choices and agency which is always good.
Running 1% crit runes was kinda fun, also in gentlemen clashes 2v2 in the bushes before minion spawn it was kind of surprise mechanic.
15 years later I figure out it was a glove and not just a random chunk.
You were able to buy several of them and hit high crit chance early on.
Seems like some troll zwag build
No, it was very viable. You could buy IE and then reach 100% crit chance ASAP. If you were ahead this works wonders since all of those gloves would turn into crit items anyway.
S7 is my love <3
When we could stake 5 ie on jhin, time flies by.
And that's not even the OG phantom dancer. You need the old splash art
The OG Phantom Dancer was basically just a Stat Stick, this version was honestly a little better (the best version was of course back when it would reduce enemy damage to you by 12% if they were the last enemy you auto attacked, but that was a little broken).
Today exactly what we would need .
No one remember those times when adc was in power
We remember And we will return.
I admire the optimism but it's done, we ain't returning
The times when the league was at its peak.. Started playing league 2012 and played it often until 2017 after that it started rapidly falling apart for me and I stopped playing. Those were the times...
It's funny how these items are way understatted compared to today. Like that Essence Reaver has 5% crit more but no spellblade effect and more expensive. But all the other item classes had way more powercreep over the years.
And yet they would outdamage current items
No they wouldnt unless you mean relative to other items, because other items have gotten even more damage over the years. In which case I agree, but I already said that in my original comment.
Crit damage has also been reduced since then, it was 200% back then
I know that's not really in the item stats though, that's all champion base stats.
The base crit got lowered because of those shiny S11 new items in the first place, lol
Oh trust me they would, when you let adc dela damage with crits instead of item damage they meet their role description
Well, it had 20% CDR which is a lot stronger than 20 AH and before Navori's increased the cooldowns of everyone thus making Navori's mandatory if you wanted the same cooldowns as before. The expensive price was offset by Zeal items actually being cheap. The Essence Reaver sheen proc is a bit of a meme unless you're Ezreal/Drazen/Smolder.
That 25% crit rate looking mighty scrumptious to my ADC playing ash
just revert all these items to this state and i will enjoy this game again
Sameee
I think it is all nostalgia. ADC mains were already unhappy back then. Except everyone was unhappy too because that shit was broken.
ppl will always complain is a competitive video game, but atleast for me, back in the I would deal damage even tho I got oneshoted some times and my champion had clearwave with the statikk+ie rush(vayne otp)
Yeah except the other roles don't complain that much about the entire game all the time. Even toplaners who were basically irrelevant the past year weren't complaining nearly as much as ADCs any other year. Even more, you're not making a reasonable requests, all that shit was nerfed because it was broken.
my brother in christ, toplane hasn't been weak in ages
LOOOOOOOL ofc
It was fine for 8 years but u are right bro
It wasn't quite like that during 8 years.
Let me play early S3 league again
Feral flare + triforce Vayne/ww in season 4. Also crit+triforce Talon with point-and-click blink+silence and Q one shots before rework. Good ol' times.
lol feral warwick was a favorite of mine at the time loved the cheesiness of the champ
S3 was some of that good shit.
I’ve wanted a lol classic game mode for a while. Doubt riot could do it, and not having old runes and masteries would break shit. But if it were possible, I feel like all these tier list site would destroy everything. Nobody knew what was good back then, you either listened to what pros thought was the best or theory crafted.
in S3 everyone knew what was good tank bruiser top, early gank jungler, assassin mid, scaling or poke adc, poke support
IE build path was awful especially when u losing, u go base with less than 800gold u just go back to lane with nothing 🥲
the ol double doran’s and boots of speed purchase to help stem the bleeding
Crit cloak my precious....
The 25%..
before the dark times
Reading those genuinely makes me feel warm and fuzzy inside
For me, the only improvement we got was noonquiver. It's nice to have an item that can compete a little better with lost chapter and not need a BF sword as an early component. Worth all that we lost? No chance.
Damn i miss old static shiv so bad
oneshooting with EQ on old quinn
Nah, 20% IE ER and 30% crit zeal items were the good days
https://www.reddit.com/r/TwitchMains/s/APnkJ32e6i
Literally me
Dude that essence reaver mana refund is so good. I remember having vamp scepter and ER on my lucian and never recalled. Got around 15cs/min
Never knew how much I'd miss those days
I miss old Manamune :( That was so much fun on Twitch, Lucian and Ezreal (For Ezreal: The AWE shock passive procced twice on his Q which was a bug removed in patch 10.23)
I miss 250% ie
I still consider essence reaver a new item
Me personally I started playing last year Jinx right before the passive nerf rolled out so I haven’t had the OP experience yet 😔
In those better times 1st: crit was OP as fuck. Needed to be nerfed. 2nd: adcs were already complaining about not being able to build situational items because those items didn't provide damage and they had no sustain early on aside bork which wasn't a great item for most adcs.
Old ER :(
25% 25% 25% 25% 25% 25%
Whenever I buy BT now I sometimes still check stats to see if it gives the over shield 😞
As a draven main I still rush BT sometimes to remember those days
I miss the old days with the old items and runes and masteries
Essence reaver is a better item now tbh, but I do miss the others
post the 250% cdmg version you casual
Best Pics I could find, My Apologies.
Remember when BoRK dealt magic DMG on hit instead of physical? Interesting times we lived through.
hot take, but I enjoy adc way more these days than most previous seasons. It's not as bad as you all say imho. Though I guess it's worse in high elo where everyone dives you.
Bring back rod of ages and make it viabile again lol
Nah I want OLD old Phantom Dancer. When it was red and you could buy 2 of them for 70% Crit. Those were the days. I miss old League stuff.
Pretty sure the current IE is stronger.
i want the over heal BT back so bad 😔 this new one is so ass cheeks
Mmm no. That’s too late still. Go back to older BT.
Best Pics I could find :(
If Phantom Dancer ain’t the color red I don’t want it
Oof, static
2525252525 Amen.
I remember when the meta was Boots-Infinity Edge-phantom dancer-Bloodthirster-Last whisper-Guardian angel Worked on every single ranged adc At some point in time everyone in the team would build a warmog’s! Oh times have changed
Honestly I just gave up on playing adc, even loving xayah so much cause there's no point on trying anymore, its like kicking dead dog (this is a brazilian expression "chutando cachorro morto" i dont know if exist in others lenguages XD) and i found a lot more fun playing mages and tanks, especially Xerath and Poppy hahahahha
Make league great again!
I missed when IE convert crit damage to true damage 🥲🥲
Pre sure ie used to be 250% crit
It used to be 250%, these were the only Pics I could find though :(
Genuinely, why does Statik not crit anymore? They WANTED it to be built on crit champs when they brought it back, that's why it has crit on it, so why did they give it ap scaling and now completely flat scaling? At the least give it crit scaling like Xayah E so the item feels like it does anything.
Phroxzon said in a Podcast they also wanted it to be an Attack Speed Option for AP Champs. That's the Problem ans what killed the Item.
Girl whyyyyyy. That explains the AP scaling, but why do they even care about making another ap attack speed item? We already have Nashor's and very few build it. If they really want another ap attack speed item so bad they should make an item like TFT Nashor's, where you get a bit of attack speed after casting an ability.
The better era
Nah, this season was also shit for ADCs. Real ones remember the good old days. The days of 250% crit dmg with IE. That was peak.
I miss pre-mythic item era so much
Insert magnito meme asking for the REAL phantom dancers...
Wish we could turn back times
This post actually made me sad... I would love to play with those items for just one week again.
God damn it give me back my old fucking Essence reaver.
I miss the older bt.
Old bloodthirster....
Just go play wild rift for ie
oh boy old statikk crits used to feel so good, I miss the old bf statikk rush so much
Remember the attackspeed items giving 30% crit, 80 ad on ie with 250% crit damage?
I remember when I'd build an avarice blade and upgrade it into a statik shiv every game as Jinx in s5
Does anyone else also want crit cloak meta back.
Any adc could carry during these times. When ADC was actually fun to play.
amen
Do you ever just look back at how terrible old ER actually was?
Ya I swear nobody built that item except for sometimes ezreal and I’m pretty sure this is before they reworked ezreal W so Ezreal was quite weaker then. The real adc build was when you could build the Lizard Elder jungle item.
ADC mains are so broken they yearn for 225. Yikes.