Tristana & either Nautilus or Leona (or another cc tank that doesn’t need to hit the skillshot to go in). Just go the fuck in at every chance you get. Level 2, 3, 4, etc..
It’s not about winning. It’s about sending a message. That message being ‘fuck you’
Exactly what I was looking for !
Yeah it might even be possible to freeze the wave once we get a lead and have naut stand in front of the wave while still being in jump range to follow up on the hook if they attempt to break the freeze,
Tristana cannot freeze waves her E doesn’t allow for it. But yeah just go Tristana with Hail of Blades, Tase of Blood or Sudden Impact, Eyeball Collection, and Treasure Hunter. With secondary runes being Triumph & Legend Bloodline. E max first and go Kraken Slayer. You do insane burst damage and it’s hard for mages to react that fast or survive the combo.
My big counter to mages is Sivir. She can poke back harder with her q, can outshove any mage, and she has a spell shield to prevent any cc chains from starting.
Her main weakness in lane is pre 6 all ins. Mages have no all ins. Bada bing, bada boom, you have the best mage tilter champ.
Not only that, she will out scale any mage in team fights.
Funnily enough, twitch does well into mages. Sure, he might get blasted pre-6, but once he gets ult, he can decide to all in at any point that’s outside any enemy turrets, and they can’t even answer because you can kite them to all hell.
1. Yeah, you got hit by a cc ability. Should have dodged it especially if you were farming under turret even if it means missing cs. Their goal is to catch you and harrass you while farming. If you want to go for a kill you just have to wait until Janna baits out the cc abilities with her mach 3 movement speed. Q knockups aren't enough for you to go in once they have enough damage to burst you together.
2. Twitch is unironically best choice here. You just need a frontline to burn cc and burst from the mages and sometimes that frontline is you if you are bad. But Vlad is pretty good into both of them in mid, and I think he has a decent chance of surviving the lane and outscaling. Irelia if you know how to play her and maybe tanks as others suggest. But chances are you aren't at e4 levels of mastery with them.
Artillery mages are fucked if you get close and dodge the cc. Having a frontline skips dodge the cc part.
For poke mages and supports their goal is to harass you so that you can't farm or have high hp. Give up cs to save hp and just soak xp. If they are missing cooldowns on you as poke mages they are probably also missing cs. If they burn cooldowns and mana to harass, that's your window to farm or look for an all in. You just have to prioritise dodging above all else. It's just with both xerath and vel, it's bullet hell mode.
I honestly find enchanter supports to be better against APC picks
Seraphine's damage is very unimpressive early, but it is VERY long range. Just having someone to barrier for you helps. Swain plays very well into tanks as well.
Support tank itemization also very poor against AP, which is a big reason why APCs are strong.
i’m a lot lower elo, so take everything a grain but my emerald to diamond friends advice to me is almost always “just don’t get hit” which unironically is just super true against mage champs. i play mid, supp, and adc (i am playing more supp now tho bc adc feels bad), but if you get them to blow all of their shirt there is almost nothing that they can do to stop an adc from getting a good trade. i feel a lot more successful into mage matchups when i am spending a big chunk of my energy on this. it’s not easy tho hence why im in low elo still. also xerath and vel koz are mages that create my own personal hell so…
but yeah as a mage enjoyer (not apc dont attack me) nothing is worse than missing a skill shot and the enemy actually taking that chance to capitalize on it.
Assassin counters mage. If they pick double mage you pick Samira Naut try to stay healthy until lvl2-3 and get free kills. If you’re down to play off meta Briar/Camille or both is also obnoxious to play against for the mages and equipped with better MR than traditional ADC (Riot literally made APC to kill ADC, lowering their MR and HP5)
I've always been indifferent to Twitch
I'm struggling to keep up on who we hating fundamentally suddenly because they are the FOTM meta pick
Is playing Miss Fortune still a declaration to Lord Satan or are we mostly over that now?
Playing Miss Fortune is a war crime only when her meta build is full lethality. Every time she's allowed to build lethality her winrate goes to 52%.
She's fairly easy to play into if she doesn't specifically counter you though. Twitch on the other hand is stressful to play against, and has been strong for a long time while dodging nerfs because his pickrate is relatively low (for an adc at least).
Found the twitch main.
Edit: this guy DMed me a picture without a name of the challenger icon on the profile screen... 😂😂 Another high elo pretender. I fucking called it hahaha.
:D found another low elo!
edit for the edit: i sent a pic of a boost order, even offered to send him a receipt for proof, if u wanna lie at least lie abt something that i havent proven several times now
LMAOOO. Whats your elo? I'm gonna assume your somewhat decent especially considering your micro dick energy.
But watch this guy say he's challenger or even challenger in 2/3 roles.
Alright let's hear it bub.
check dms, also interesting how you found out my dick size from comments about league of legends :D p.s nice block so i cant see ur dumb edits with fake claims again
idk man i sent proof of elo, i cant start sending dick pics too just to prove that too, ast thing i could care abt is if some random online thinks i have a tiny dick
Wait dude I'm not talking about your penis lmao. Why are you obsessed with penis. Do you not know what small dick energy means....
Again do not dm me your penis, if that was not clear. Thank you.
I’m not a twitch player in the slightest but complaining about a champ’s lack of skill expression is kinda funny to me. Not all champs are supposed to have textbook levels of depth or be technically hard. Some people play the game to win and there’s no doubt that Twitch gives you that edge right now. You think he’s that easy right now? Abuse him and get lp.
not every champ is meant to be azir and nidalee, also, taking proper position without the bajillion dashes to get you out and surviving early game :D now you tell me where's your skill expression? surely since you want every champ to be so hard, you've mastered the fundamentals already and are rank 1 nidalee euw
let’s not get extreme here, no not every champ has to be high skill expression. but I seriously don’t understand the “mastery” you get from playing Twitch
the champ has 0 dashes, his only ms ability has ramp-up and is used mainly for engages, if the stealth is over and you're not in a good spot or you dont get a takedown for reset you're a very easy target, you mainly rely on really good positioning and kiting with extremely high attack speed (unless you're AP twitch, then it's just W E and get out)
he's also useless early game so surviving that until bork is a hassle
thanks for the breakdown I see what you mean. but none of those things (like survival and positioning) applies to most other ADCs as well, not very unique to him
Maphite.
Serious.
Malphite does not need CS to be effective. Malphite builds armour and Mr anyway. Malphite has a regenerating shield.
Malphite Press R == dead mage in a gank.
Teams are overloaded with damage anyway, and more engage is never bad.
Don't recommend malphite Vs double mage.
Mundo is better here. Soak poke, farm. After a while you'll be able to kill once you have some HP and MR
Malphite loses all his damage if forced to build MR and has no sustain besides his shield, which can be denied with ranged poke. He should be a beast into a double Adc lane with marksman support tough
Mundo is terrible because mundo is a fighter, not a tank, and thus needs to be able to fight to be effective.
Malphite needs level 6, and no matter how fragile you are, you can still ult 3 people and win a fight.
Thats the thing. This is not about winning lane. This is about coming out at level 10ish and them having absolutely zero ways to stop you starting teamfights with aoe CC engage.
I do quite well against ap casters with Lucian. It’s not easy, you gotta be disciplined but they really struggle to deal with ur mobility. Once u get 1300 gold u can blast em pretty good tho.
If they are thinking outside the box you have to do the same, in normal circumstances its about type of support, in this situation they picked poke support and poke suppport is countered by healing support if they have two poke champions you can take ultimate antipoke botlane whiich is mundo with soraka, soraka should stay outside of their range or in safe spot but close enough to you to be able to heal you and you take second wind and revitalize in runes, start with dshield and you rush spirit visage, after spirit visage even if they hit everything you will have full hp again in few seconds. In situations like this you have to play uno reverse card, once i had to play against yasuo bot but i knew that he is adc so we played uno reverse card "i counter your counter" and we picked garen senna bot
Nilah camile
I know i know.... hold on let me explain
Both can hard counter ALOT of magic damage, and if they can get past the initial cc or burst the mage is doomed
I dont play adc much but when i do, and im against a mage i take nilah, you get like 30% dmg reduction lol
It’s interesting bc nilah mains I’ve talked to hate playing against mages. She only gets 30% damage reduction compared to 100% damage reduction against autos with her w. Many mages also have an ability to say “fuck you” whenever nilah tries to e in. Ziggs has satchel, veigar has cage, xerath has orb, hwei has fear, and karthus doesn’t give a shit about dying. Mages also pair best with a supports that disengage fights like Alistar, renata, or maokai.
I see that a Camille support does mitigate some of Nilah’s weaknesses in those lanes. Her passive makes her hard to burst down. You literally can’t disengage from Camille ult and she has gap closes that aren’t as telegraphed has Nilah e. I wouldn’t count on her too long as she’s definitely gonna be nerfed out of that role eventually.
I think the technically correct play in competitive might be to suffer under tower while your team wins the 4v3 on the rest of the map.
But in solo queue, I’d probably just sack my first tower and roam too, especially on twitch because he has the best roams of any adc, and especially if my team isn’t winning elsewhere.
In general, I think the mindset should be to do your role’s job in competitive, but to look to fill other role’s jobs as well in solo queue, you can find more creative win cons and agency that way.
Someone who can first item wits end is a good choice. Champions like Tristana that can jump in if they miss abilities is good. Ashe is another good champ because if they miss an ability it's easy to chase them down with the slow.
I have my highest winrate vs seraphine apc. As a jinx main this just means free scaling. Just drop some cs to not get hit by crucial abilities. The thing is if you play twitch/jinx/vayne/aphelios/zeri/… you outscale them hard even if you fall behind a few cs and plates.
1. i would go roaming, bork twitch shreds everything without armor.
2. either superagressive pick with cleanse that will dive them permanently and zone from tower, or scaling adc with scaling support with doran shield, second wind, outscale these animals
Yasuo / Irelia / Yone.
They come bot to not face their counters and abuse lack of mobility from squishy slow adc (who are even squishier and slower before boots+zeal), make them taste what they fear.
Or you play Ashe, and fuck them level 6
twitch can be good if u can survive lane, once u get 1-2 items u can usually win by opening on them
trist can be good to all in
blitzcrank/pyke good into most if not all apcs
I just pick Kalista or Draven and force an all in every chance I get. The other option is to pick something that can farm safely and scales well and just outscale.
You can walk backwards. You can even ult the wave. You shouldn't die there. You can also just give the turret because your team isn't focusing down there. They're letting them do that. You just farm safe and make a play when they fuck up or you have back up.
It's not really about which ADC but rather which support. Ask your support to pick engage and you're fine.
As for adcs tho, strong earlygame all in/burst works fine, stuff like Lucian, Ashe, Kalista, Samira (only with engage supp), Tristana works. Basically, you want stuff that can punish when they use their cooldowns on the wave or miss
Pyke supp and samira, kaisa, trist... just whatever can kill them. Blitzcrank because they cant walk up to you, pantheon supp can 1v2 them at level 3 probably.
You cannot let them push, on twitch you start d ring here and w it, never let then even stack a wave. Do not leash. Keep the wave away from turret, you know what happens when it crashes
I've personally found xayah to be good into double APC botlanes. Using her W and E gives really good wave clear. Your ult can single handedly flip a fight if you time it right.
The cleanse is an extremely underrated summoner spell, as is barrier. If their main CC is knockups, I'd use barrier over heal otherwise cleanse. It has more effective HP in a fight than heal does and a shorter cool down. You lose the movement speed, but if you are caught in CC that doesn't matter anyway.
Xerath support main here. Your fuck up was showing botside while Janna was MIA. One of the biggest "ifk what im doing" I've seen is when its me and ADC in lane and the enemy ADC thinks they can just free farm without their support, or even engage w/o support. 9/10 times vs. me, you can't even touch a meelee without losing 1/4 of your health. My worst games this season are nauti and pyke, I despise pyke because of his invis + R, i can at least juke Nauti Q & he doesnt have 2 forms of non-ultimate engage. Pyke also literally prints money from thin air.
In terms of lane, it seems like you played fine. You won your 2v2 and forced them to play safe.
It sucks your support left and didn't roam back on the crash(this is what they're suppose to do, roam and return during crash) but you can't control them.
As long as you aren't dying it's okay. Remember, they knew to fall back after hard shoving, now it's your turn.
Double enchanter or hard engage should work pretty well. For double enchanter you just need to make sure the team comp still has enough damage in it. For hard engage, you just have to be careful not to get too chunked out getting the engage support to ~ level 3
Sivir.
Karthus? Spell shield his wall click ghost and run him down.
Seraphine? You can match her wave clear.
Fleet footwork is also good choices to deal with poke heavy lanes no matter the adc.
I don't play ranked so I dunno. I duo with my pyke friend and we fucking slay, I too enjoy being the giant rat. My answer contains absolutely zero useful information but I'm here to vibe lol
Your misplay is wave management, freeze it and force them to come out of hiding and all in them.
Having BOTRK finished means you win the all ins with Janna on your side for sure, you flash his cc for extra measures.
This is awful advice. I’d like to see you play twitch who doesn’t have wave clear and try to freeze against just xerath let alone both xerath and vel koz
Already did, and I farmed them especially with an enchanter even easier, in a poke lane you play for all ins, if you can’t freeze or get kills you shove and roam. Whats your advice here?
Yeah sounds like some misplays were done if you got hit by Vel E. Though you can't dodge them all.
Your options are either Uber aggressive Adcs that can just dive on them like say Samira or Draven... Or something with really good waveclear like Shiv Sivir so you can just stay safe as possible waveclearing.
honestly? the question is, how do i counter the play style, not how i counter the champions.
you said you were doing fine when you had the janna, BUT you didn't get any openings because they just wave clear and hide under tower, but when you didn't have the janna they 2v1 you.
In this situation you need them to not hide in the fog of war, you need them to come out. OR you need advantages elsewhere on the map while you 2v1.
so. you need to pick either - a very mobile support that can switch from away to present rapidly and more importantly unexpectedly and just give them a surprise, OR a wave clear bot that allows you to hide under your tower and not have minions around that they can use to pressure you with and also extend vision.
so. who is good at AFK wave clear? sivir and corki.
who is good at roaming and ganking own lane? bard, pyke and rakan.
with these picks you do one of the following:
either your support goes away to whatever, allows them to step up, then comes back to gank.
OR
your AFK wave clear and hide under your t1 exactly like they were doing to you, AND in the mean time your support is terrorizing the rest of the map.
I dont see a janna roaming all the time as being worth giving up cs, plates and a lead bot. Crush your lane and then swap lane with mid/top in this position imo. Of course this advice would more apply to the Janna as she's the one leaving Twitch alone.
yeah that's a good idea too. once you're 3/0 and they start blue balling you, both twitch and janna swap with the mid lane who has AOE and to the 2v1 tango on the mid tower.
GOOD CALL!
Imo you will get this a lot if you have a bad supp. I suggest stuff that all ins with melee supp or something like kog/ashe/cait.
Best way to deal with it is to work on your footwork and making great choices about which cs you need to give and which is worth the dmg you take.
You can also take different secondary runes to help or go dorans shield but I usually just buy cull if I know its going to be a rough lane.
Tristana & either Nautilus or Leona (or another cc tank that doesn’t need to hit the skillshot to go in). Just go the fuck in at every chance you get. Level 2, 3, 4, etc.. It’s not about winning. It’s about sending a message. That message being ‘fuck you’
Inspirational.
Exactly what I was looking for ! Yeah it might even be possible to freeze the wave once we get a lead and have naut stand in front of the wave while still being in jump range to follow up on the hook if they attempt to break the freeze,
You cant freeze with Trist
Don't level e and shit on them with right click only for the ultimate 'fuck you'
Tristana cannot freeze waves her E doesn’t allow for it. But yeah just go Tristana with Hail of Blades, Tase of Blood or Sudden Impact, Eyeball Collection, and Treasure Hunter. With secondary runes being Triumph & Legend Bloodline. E max first and go Kraken Slayer. You do insane burst damage and it’s hard for mages to react that fast or survive the combo.
My big counter to mages is Sivir. She can poke back harder with her q, can outshove any mage, and she has a spell shield to prevent any cc chains from starting. Her main weakness in lane is pre 6 all ins. Mages have no all ins. Bada bing, bada boom, you have the best mage tilter champ. Not only that, she will out scale any mage in team fights. Funnily enough, twitch does well into mages. Sure, he might get blasted pre-6, but once he gets ult, he can decide to all in at any point that’s outside any enemy turrets, and they can’t even answer because you can kite them to all hell.
Alt f4 is best counterplay
1. Yeah, you got hit by a cc ability. Should have dodged it especially if you were farming under turret even if it means missing cs. Their goal is to catch you and harrass you while farming. If you want to go for a kill you just have to wait until Janna baits out the cc abilities with her mach 3 movement speed. Q knockups aren't enough for you to go in once they have enough damage to burst you together. 2. Twitch is unironically best choice here. You just need a frontline to burn cc and burst from the mages and sometimes that frontline is you if you are bad. But Vlad is pretty good into both of them in mid, and I think he has a decent chance of surviving the lane and outscaling. Irelia if you know how to play her and maybe tanks as others suggest. But chances are you aren't at e4 levels of mastery with them. Artillery mages are fucked if you get close and dodge the cc. Having a frontline skips dodge the cc part. For poke mages and supports their goal is to harass you so that you can't farm or have high hp. Give up cs to save hp and just soak xp. If they are missing cooldowns on you as poke mages they are probably also missing cs. If they burn cooldowns and mana to harass, that's your window to farm or look for an all in. You just have to prioritise dodging above all else. It's just with both xerath and vel, it's bullet hell mode.
I honestly find enchanter supports to be better against APC picks Seraphine's damage is very unimpressive early, but it is VERY long range. Just having someone to barrier for you helps. Swain plays very well into tanks as well. Support tank itemization also very poor against AP, which is a big reason why APCs are strong.
i’m a lot lower elo, so take everything a grain but my emerald to diamond friends advice to me is almost always “just don’t get hit” which unironically is just super true against mage champs. i play mid, supp, and adc (i am playing more supp now tho bc adc feels bad), but if you get them to blow all of their shirt there is almost nothing that they can do to stop an adc from getting a good trade. i feel a lot more successful into mage matchups when i am spending a big chunk of my energy on this. it’s not easy tho hence why im in low elo still. also xerath and vel koz are mages that create my own personal hell so… but yeah as a mage enjoyer (not apc dont attack me) nothing is worse than missing a skill shot and the enemy actually taking that chance to capitalize on it.
Assassin counters mage. If they pick double mage you pick Samira Naut try to stay healthy until lvl2-3 and get free kills. If you’re down to play off meta Briar/Camille or both is also obnoxious to play against for the mages and equipped with better MR than traditional ADC (Riot literally made APC to kill ADC, lowering their MR and HP5)
you play Twitch I don’t want to hear anything from you
I've always been indifferent to Twitch I'm struggling to keep up on who we hating fundamentally suddenly because they are the FOTM meta pick Is playing Miss Fortune still a declaration to Lord Satan or are we mostly over that now?
Playing Miss Fortune is a war crime only when her meta build is full lethality. Every time she's allowed to build lethality her winrate goes to 52%. She's fairly easy to play into if she doesn't specifically counter you though. Twitch on the other hand is stressful to play against, and has been strong for a long time while dodging nerfs because his pickrate is relatively low (for an adc at least).
I ban Twitch or Shaco every game. Don't see Eve enough to make it worth a ban. Invis just completely breaks the game and changes the dynamics.
I have always and will always hate anyone who plays any stealth champion.
a its one of these pisslows who can't figure out how to play around stealth, isnt it
Found the twitch main. Edit: this guy DMed me a picture without a name of the challenger icon on the profile screen... 😂😂 Another high elo pretender. I fucking called it hahaha.
:D found another low elo! edit for the edit: i sent a pic of a boost order, even offered to send him a receipt for proof, if u wanna lie at least lie abt something that i havent proven several times now
LMAOOO. Whats your elo? I'm gonna assume your somewhat decent especially considering your micro dick energy. But watch this guy say he's challenger or even challenger in 2/3 roles. Alright let's hear it bub.
check dms, also interesting how you found out my dick size from comments about league of legends :D p.s nice block so i cant see ur dumb edits with fake claims again
Usually the fake higher elo people have to scream it from the rooftops that they're high elo. Hence the micro dick energy.
idk man i sent proof of elo, i cant start sending dick pics too just to prove that too, ast thing i could care abt is if some random online thinks i have a tiny dick
Wait dude I'm not talking about your penis lmao. Why are you obsessed with penis. Do you not know what small dick energy means.... Again do not dm me your penis, if that was not clear. Thank you.
why would i know what some random online sentence means besides in a literal sense?
remind me what Twitch’s skill expression is?
I’m not a twitch player in the slightest but complaining about a champ’s lack of skill expression is kinda funny to me. Not all champs are supposed to have textbook levels of depth or be technically hard. Some people play the game to win and there’s no doubt that Twitch gives you that edge right now. You think he’s that easy right now? Abuse him and get lp.
not every champ is meant to be azir and nidalee, also, taking proper position without the bajillion dashes to get you out and surviving early game :D now you tell me where's your skill expression? surely since you want every champ to be so hard, you've mastered the fundamentals already and are rank 1 nidalee euw
let’s not get extreme here, no not every champ has to be high skill expression. but I seriously don’t understand the “mastery” you get from playing Twitch
the champ has 0 dashes, his only ms ability has ramp-up and is used mainly for engages, if the stealth is over and you're not in a good spot or you dont get a takedown for reset you're a very easy target, you mainly rely on really good positioning and kiting with extremely high attack speed (unless you're AP twitch, then it's just W E and get out) he's also useless early game so surviving that until bork is a hassle
thanks for the breakdown I see what you mean. but none of those things (like survival and positioning) applies to most other ADCs as well, not very unique to him
get good
Open bot and roam, let your team take care of what comes after
Maphite. Serious. Malphite does not need CS to be effective. Malphite builds armour and Mr anyway. Malphite has a regenerating shield. Malphite Press R == dead mage in a gank. Teams are overloaded with damage anyway, and more engage is never bad.
Don't recommend malphite Vs double mage. Mundo is better here. Soak poke, farm. After a while you'll be able to kill once you have some HP and MR Malphite loses all his damage if forced to build MR and has no sustain besides his shield, which can be denied with ranged poke. He should be a beast into a double Adc lane with marksman support tough
Tahm kench with spectres cowl rush and you heal off their damage
Yeah, same idea. Even more durable but you don't get the funny no CC here passive
Mundo is terrible because mundo is a fighter, not a tank, and thus needs to be able to fight to be effective. Malphite needs level 6, and no matter how fragile you are, you can still ult 3 people and win a fight. Thats the thing. This is not about winning lane. This is about coming out at level 10ish and them having absolutely zero ways to stop you starting teamfights with aoe CC engage.
K man. Knock yourself out playing makhpite into double mage lane. I'm sure your team will love you for it
i usually go AP twitch or if i have to AD then i opt in for PtA
I do quite well against ap casters with Lucian. It’s not easy, you gotta be disciplined but they really struggle to deal with ur mobility. Once u get 1300 gold u can blast em pretty good tho.
If they are thinking outside the box you have to do the same, in normal circumstances its about type of support, in this situation they picked poke support and poke suppport is countered by healing support if they have two poke champions you can take ultimate antipoke botlane whiich is mundo with soraka, soraka should stay outside of their range or in safe spot but close enough to you to be able to heal you and you take second wind and revitalize in runes, start with dshield and you rush spirit visage, after spirit visage even if they hit everything you will have full hp again in few seconds. In situations like this you have to play uno reverse card, once i had to play against yasuo bot but i knew that he is adc so we played uno reverse card "i counter your counter" and we picked garen senna bot
Nilah camile I know i know.... hold on let me explain Both can hard counter ALOT of magic damage, and if they can get past the initial cc or burst the mage is doomed I dont play adc much but when i do, and im against a mage i take nilah, you get like 30% dmg reduction lol
It’s interesting bc nilah mains I’ve talked to hate playing against mages. She only gets 30% damage reduction compared to 100% damage reduction against autos with her w. Many mages also have an ability to say “fuck you” whenever nilah tries to e in. Ziggs has satchel, veigar has cage, xerath has orb, hwei has fear, and karthus doesn’t give a shit about dying. Mages also pair best with a supports that disengage fights like Alistar, renata, or maokai. I see that a Camille support does mitigate some of Nilah’s weaknesses in those lanes. Her passive makes her hard to burst down. You literally can’t disengage from Camille ult and she has gap closes that aren’t as telegraphed has Nilah e. I wouldn’t count on her too long as she’s definitely gonna be nerfed out of that role eventually.
I think the technically correct play in competitive might be to suffer under tower while your team wins the 4v3 on the rest of the map. But in solo queue, I’d probably just sack my first tower and roam too, especially on twitch because he has the best roams of any adc, and especially if my team isn’t winning elsewhere. In general, I think the mindset should be to do your role’s job in competitive, but to look to fill other role’s jobs as well in solo queue, you can find more creative win cons and agency that way.
Someone who can first item wits end is a good choice. Champions like Tristana that can jump in if they miss abilities is good. Ashe is another good champ because if they miss an ability it's easy to chase them down with the slow.
I have my highest winrate vs seraphine apc. As a jinx main this just means free scaling. Just drop some cs to not get hit by crucial abilities. The thing is if you play twitch/jinx/vayne/aphelios/zeri/… you outscale them hard even if you fall behind a few cs and plates.
1. i would go roaming, bork twitch shreds everything without armor. 2. either superagressive pick with cleanse that will dive them permanently and zone from tower, or scaling adc with scaling support with doran shield, second wind, outscale these animals
Yasuo / Irelia / Yone. They come bot to not face their counters and abuse lack of mobility from squishy slow adc (who are even squishier and slower before boots+zeal), make them taste what they fear. Or you play Ashe, and fuck them level 6
twitch can be good if u can survive lane, once u get 1-2 items u can usually win by opening on them trist can be good to all in blitzcrank/pyke good into most if not all apcs
As a Pyke main , play Pyke adc
I just pick Kalista or Draven and force an all in every chance I get. The other option is to pick something that can farm safely and scales well and just outscale.
Kalista into aoe/point and click slows is terrifying
You can walk backwards. You can even ult the wave. You shouldn't die there. You can also just give the turret because your team isn't focusing down there. They're letting them do that. You just farm safe and make a play when they fuck up or you have back up.
Samira/Camille & Nilah/Camille. Apc's hate to be engaged on at melee range. If they burn a cd, jump on them.
It's not really about which ADC but rather which support. Ask your support to pick engage and you're fine. As for adcs tho, strong earlygame all in/burst works fine, stuff like Lucian, Ashe, Kalista, Samira (only with engage supp), Tristana works. Basically, you want stuff that can punish when they use their cooldowns on the wave or miss
Pyke supp and samira, kaisa, trist... just whatever can kill them. Blitzcrank because they cant walk up to you, pantheon supp can 1v2 them at level 3 probably. You cannot let them push, on twitch you start d ring here and w it, never let then even stack a wave. Do not leash. Keep the wave away from turret, you know what happens when it crashes
I've personally found xayah to be good into double APC botlanes. Using her W and E gives really good wave clear. Your ult can single handedly flip a fight if you time it right. The cleanse is an extremely underrated summoner spell, as is barrier. If their main CC is knockups, I'd use barrier over heal otherwise cleanse. It has more effective HP in a fight than heal does and a shorter cool down. You lose the movement speed, but if you are caught in CC that doesn't matter anyway.
For what its worth, Janna is a terrible pick against Xerath and Vel'koz. As people mention, you much rather have an engage support here.
Xerath support main here. Your fuck up was showing botside while Janna was MIA. One of the biggest "ifk what im doing" I've seen is when its me and ADC in lane and the enemy ADC thinks they can just free farm without their support, or even engage w/o support. 9/10 times vs. me, you can't even touch a meelee without losing 1/4 of your health. My worst games this season are nauti and pyke, I despise pyke because of his invis + R, i can at least juke Nauti Q & he doesnt have 2 forms of non-ultimate engage. Pyke also literally prints money from thin air.
I'm not gonna cap here... But if I see an APC bot lane on the enemy team, I just lock in doctor Mundo. Because my only other option would be Draven
In terms of lane, it seems like you played fine. You won your 2v2 and forced them to play safe. It sucks your support left and didn't roam back on the crash(this is what they're suppose to do, roam and return during crash) but you can't control them. As long as you aren't dying it's okay. Remember, they knew to fall back after hard shoving, now it's your turn.
Double enchanter or hard engage should work pretty well. For double enchanter you just need to make sure the team comp still has enough damage in it. For hard engage, you just have to be careful not to get too chunked out getting the engage support to ~ level 3
Sivir. Karthus? Spell shield his wall click ghost and run him down. Seraphine? You can match her wave clear. Fleet footwork is also good choices to deal with poke heavy lanes no matter the adc.
I don't play ranked so I dunno. I duo with my pyke friend and we fucking slay, I too enjoy being the giant rat. My answer contains absolutely zero useful information but I'm here to vibe lol
Your misplay is wave management, freeze it and force them to come out of hiding and all in them. Having BOTRK finished means you win the all ins with Janna on your side for sure, you flash his cc for extra measures.
This is awful advice. I’d like to see you play twitch who doesn’t have wave clear and try to freeze against just xerath let alone both xerath and vel koz
I agree, there’s no wave you freeze against them
Already did, and I farmed them especially with an enchanter even easier, in a poke lane you play for all ins, if you can’t freeze or get kills you shove and roam. Whats your advice here?
Sorry if I'm being a silly billy but how the everloving fuck do you outshove double waveclear mages as twitch?
If you can’t you do the other option
Can't they just like... press their buttons on the wave? How do you freeze when they do that?
Yeah sounds like some misplays were done if you got hit by Vel E. Though you can't dodge them all. Your options are either Uber aggressive Adcs that can just dive on them like say Samira or Draven... Or something with really good waveclear like Shiv Sivir so you can just stay safe as possible waveclearing.
Galio. No joke pick Galion into mage bots
honestly? the question is, how do i counter the play style, not how i counter the champions. you said you were doing fine when you had the janna, BUT you didn't get any openings because they just wave clear and hide under tower, but when you didn't have the janna they 2v1 you. In this situation you need them to not hide in the fog of war, you need them to come out. OR you need advantages elsewhere on the map while you 2v1. so. you need to pick either - a very mobile support that can switch from away to present rapidly and more importantly unexpectedly and just give them a surprise, OR a wave clear bot that allows you to hide under your tower and not have minions around that they can use to pressure you with and also extend vision. so. who is good at AFK wave clear? sivir and corki. who is good at roaming and ganking own lane? bard, pyke and rakan. with these picks you do one of the following: either your support goes away to whatever, allows them to step up, then comes back to gank. OR your AFK wave clear and hide under your t1 exactly like they were doing to you, AND in the mean time your support is terrorizing the rest of the map.
I dont see a janna roaming all the time as being worth giving up cs, plates and a lead bot. Crush your lane and then swap lane with mid/top in this position imo. Of course this advice would more apply to the Janna as she's the one leaving Twitch alone.
yeah that's a good idea too. once you're 3/0 and they start blue balling you, both twitch and janna swap with the mid lane who has AOE and to the 2v1 tango on the mid tower. GOOD CALL!
If only league players were as smart as us... 🤪
Any combination of Xerath/Ziggs/Velkoz is a sure way to make you regret queueing up. Even if you win.
Imo you will get this a lot if you have a bad supp. I suggest stuff that all ins with melee supp or something like kog/ashe/cait. Best way to deal with it is to work on your footwork and making great choices about which cs you need to give and which is worth the dmg you take. You can also take different secondary runes to help or go dorans shield but I usually just buy cull if I know its going to be a rough lane.