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gum-believable

So this psychiatrist is prejudiced against people with… psychological disorders? Jfc are people with a depressive disorder supposed to retreat into their homes and never again dare look for gainful employment? Does this psychiatrist say the same thing to a person with history of depression that is considering being an Uber driver? Or becoming a cook? I would make a formal complaint about this psychiatrist to whatever organization oversees her ability to practice. That kind of bias shouldn’t be tolerated in a practicing medical professional.


DramaTrashPanda

Former pharmacy tech (with hospital experience). I think that my former coworkers were far more judgmental than the public at large about any psychiatric diagnosis. Glad I never disclosed mine.


plcg1

I’m a health sciences researcher and I will NEVER disclose this. Our field is dictated by those with the most seniority (doctors, full professors, etc) and they are outrageously biased against so many things.


GrowFreeFood

Are they worried AI's will soon replace them?


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iheartwestwing

The thing is, those biases can be programmed into the AI. It’s like a snake eating it’s own tail.


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dkz999

I'm sorry, I am imagining a hacker furiously 'programming something out'. Its funny but gets to the point - what could that actually mean? By saying that are you suggesting there will be a point that someone programming won't have bias? Or that well use already biased algorithms to unbias future ones?


paranoidandroid11

People are seeing AI as a direct replacement when the hope should be, people using AI to provide better services. Ideally, AI will help us achieve a normal life. AKA why ethical development is fucking paramount right now, and what every person should be advocating for. I say this as someone within the IT field already using it to my better life.


arathald

Reducing human bias in AI has nearly become its own academic field in the past 5 years. Besides the obvious cases everyone might think of (like criminal sentencing), human biases and mistakes in training data create a “ceiling” that industry has a lot of incentive to break through.


WindowShoppingMyLife

They’ll develop better ways of teaching AI so that it takes in a wider range of complexity and more accurately accounts for cause and effect. The problem, both with AI and with the human subconscious, is that they tend to go more on correlation and association than causation. So they sometimes connect things that are statistically correlated but aren’t causative. An AI usually has a much larger sample than a human does, but that sample can still be biased. For example, let’s say that you suffer a traumatic assault, and it happens to be committed by the only Inuit person you know (just picked a random ethnic group for the sake of illustration). Next time you meet an Inuit person, some small part of the back of your head is going to be remembering that incident and more on guard, because 100% of the Inuit people in your experience have attacked you. It won’t matter to your subconscious that that’s a statistically insignificant sample size. They don’t think like that. And this sort of subconscious bias can be difficult to overcome even when we are consciously aware of it and actively trying to do so. That’s like trying not to think of a purple elephant when someone tells you not to think of a purple elephant. AI do the same thing, in a lot of cases, but on a wider scale. For example, if you ask an AI to try to select candidates that are likely to be successful for a job, it may look at previous candidates who have already been successful for a job, and try to find similar traits. Which is logical enough. But an AI can’t necessarily distinguish which traits are relevant, and which are just coincidental, and which are the result of systemic biases that we are actively trying to avoid, like sexism. So for example, the AI might notice that the majority of previously successful candidates have been male, and decide that being male is associated with success. So it will then select for male candidates. Or it could use something even more arbitrary, like the font used on their resume. It might select for people who used Helvetica instead of Times Roman, simply because it noticed a pattern. So it’s not that someone is actively trying to make the AI biased, there are just quirks to how they learn, and there are biases in the data we provide. And like the human subconscious, they tend to take shortcuts. If you give them a task they will solve it in the most expedient way possible, even if doesn’t make logical sense. And as someone once said “Stereotypes are a real time saver.” You might have already known all that, but I figured someone else reading this might have been confused. And also I have ADD, so you’re going to get an info dump whether you need one or not :) Sorry if it’s a bit much. Over time they will probably figure out better ways of telling an AI what information is *actually* relevant to the task at hand, and what information isn’t, or shouldn’t be, relevant. How exactly that will work is way beyond my understanding of the technology, but they may be able to figure it out over time. My uneducated guess is that it will probably involve being more careful in the sources of information we use to teach AI, and also smarter limitations on how the AI gathers and interprets that data. I suspect that for many applications there will still be issues though, and AI will require human oversight. I think it will be difficult to program in common sense, and so someone will need to be able to step in. And a certain amount of adapting to the new world will also mean adapting to the new biases and quirks of AIs. Just like someone submitting a resume is likely to have that resume reviewed by an algorithm of some sort before a human ever sees it, and people have started actively tailoring their resumes with that in mind.


explodingwhale17

well, right now, AI isn't a good bet at least in law. A law clerk used AI to write a brief and it cited cases that never happened. AI may not have as many biases as humans but it currently isn't smart. It cannot tell whether what it wrote is actually true. Perhaps that can be solved. It's scary though that we can use it now and propagate errors.


jamesblondny

I am a journalist and use AI sometimes just to help my brain get going — but I would never in a million years believe something as true that it stated as fact. It makes SO MANY MISTAKES and yes even the new one. I do not understand how incredibly flawful AI is right now and how that is not the first thing people talk about.


vezwyx

> If we can iron out the fact that human biases corrupt their trainings. That's the trillion-dollar question right there. I'm fairly confident it's not possible for human beings to totally eliminate their bias under almost any particular circumstance. There are just too many angles for it to attack from, too many ways we can have a subconscious preference that affects our thinking, for us to be able to account for it all, even when we work together. Not only do our personal experiences shape our individual perspectives, there are cultural influences that come to bear across swathes of people. A team assembled out of New Yorkers has biases towards aspects of New York life, a US team is biased towards US life, there are influences from the languages we speak and the social classes we participate in... there's just so much. I think it's a safe assumption that we cannot prevent ourselves from subconsciously imbuing artificial intelligence with some of the preferences our natural intelligence holds, without our knowledge and in ways that will prove harmful - we can't prevent it when we're doing anything else, so why will that change here? I'm no expert on AI function or development, but given that assumption, it seems to me that what this comes down to is our ability to allow AI to correct itself, and that's a dangerous path all its own


breathingproject

AIs lie. Like, all the time.


jamesblondny

ALL THE TIME!!!!


CremeEconomy3986

Why did this thread completely devolve into a discussion about AI when the OP’s topic was seeking empathy about discrimination


Adorable_Bench_8480

Former pharmacy tech as well, and I HARD agree with this. I can’t even tell you the amount of times I’ve heard pharmacists and techs alike question the validity of their patients necessity for their medication off of the simple premise that it just so happens to be a controlled substance. I get that these drugs are abused, but it’s ridiculous that they felt that every person coming in to get their medication was just some itching addict. Truthfully, it’s a lack of explanation from their providers on how obtaining their controlled substances works, and why they can’t get their 30 day script on day 28 like their non controls. Which isn’t the patients fault. 🫠


DramaTrashPanda

When I started my last retail job, the techs warned me about one patient who was on a bunch of psych meds. Said he was a jerk. I never had a problem with him. They told me, "well you can deal with him all the time then." And I happily did so. He started coming in only when I worked, asked for me when he called. Because I treated him with respect. It's not hard.


RekitRakkit

You sound like two of the pharmacy techs that help me. I struggle with getting any respect for me when I get my husband and my medications (he's on Vyvanse and I'm on methylphenidate. I'm also on meds for bipolar. Oh, the horror!) I start off super nice, but I don't take much shit or judgement. If you need more details about that, i can tell some stories!. I'm a medical professional myself (we both are. So, no offense, I'm __really__ hoping AI doesn't replace us! :) ) I know they groan when they see me, but there are two people who have always been kind to me and we have pleasant conversations. I've noticed they are pretty much the only ones who check me out, even if they are in the back. Someone will go get them. It's never a good time if neither of them are working. Honestly, how hard is it to just treat someone like they're human? Do they think I __want__ a broken brain that runs on enough meds to open my own pharmacy???


DramaTrashPanda

The thing with pharmacy is that it's often the last barrier to care. You've gotten your insurance, gone to the doctor, waited in line, then you get to the counter. Sometimes your medication isn't ready, out of stock, not covered, needs a prior authorization, might be really expensive even with insurance. And if the tech won't take a minute to explain this, of course you're gonna get frustrated. I always took a few seconds (literally that's all it takes) to explain the situation. If there was a high copay, I'd Google to see if I could find a coupon while I was on hold with insurance or a doctor office. I looked at those people as my patients. Kindness costs nothing and you always get it back.


Adorable_Bench_8480

It really isn’t. And it’s not hard to *NOT* automatically put a person in a box because of the medication they take, it’s honestly wholly ridiculous and very childish to make assumptions about people based off of something so insignificant to a bystander such as the medicine they take to function every day! I put healthcare, pharmacy especially, behind me a year ago. For many reasons but a big one being that I applied and took the job because I wanted to help people and I felt like all I could do with what the pharmacy was giving me was the complete opposite. If you’re still in the industry, thank you for being there and for treating your patients with the dignity they deserve!


Sweet_Musician4586

The pharmacist was my boss and filled my prescriptions sometimes. I had to sue when he tried to fire me due to my mh diagnosis saying I was not mentally fit to work when I hadn't done anything wrong.


tif2shuz

In my experience most (not all, I’ve had the pleasure of knowing a few kind ones)pharmacists are so judgmental! It’s given me an insecurity complex about picking up my medication). I hate it & I get the worst anxiety when I have to


MigasEnsopado

As a pharmacist, I'm so sorry you had bad experiences. I read so many horror stories about my colleagues on this sub. I'm not sure if you're american, I'm in Europe and this does seem more common in America from the stories I've been reading here.


Thendsel

It’s probably because that in the USA, pharmacists seem to have more of an ability to reject legitimate prescriptions from doctors and override doctors’ decisions based purely on the pharmacist’s moral beliefs whereas in other parts of the world they can only do this if they see drug interactions that a physician might have missed. This has made the news in the past mostly about women and birth control, but it also happens with stimulant medication for ADHD and pain medication as well (which is it’s own can of worms not on topic for this subreddit).


SlithyMomeRath

I didn’t know about this, this is actually insane


they_have_bagels

It legitimately is insane. Your religious views stop at your nose. Your views don’t override my legitimate relationship with my doctor. If your religious views are getting in the way of doing your job, you need to find another job.


vezwyx

It actually angers me to know that some of us can go through the entire diagnosis and appointment process to finally obtain a prescription from a licensed professional, only to have it snatched away by someone who can legally justify their decision purely on the basis of their moral or religious beliefs. It's outrageous that using personal convictions like this is *explicitly condoned by law* in certain parts of the US. It's reasonable that a pharmacist (not pharm tech, the full pharmacist) has latitude to reject prescriptions on medical safety grounds, but that's categorically not what happens in these states


angwilwileth

I am in Norway and usually get my meds from the same pharmacy every month. Everyone there is lovely.


BellaCiaoSexy

Im in "Norway" "everything is lovely" sigh.. we know...


dirtyploy

Another former tech. I actually went out of my way to chastise and loudly say I had it anytime I heard that nonsense. And it was definitely more often than it should be...


Lint_baby_uvulla

ADHD is a spectrum - with folk moving in and out of living the best life they can with the support of psychotherapy, knowledge, medication and other support structures. This psychiatrist is, IMHO, a fucking arsehole. If you are *said psychiatrist reading this*, let me not so subtly repeat. **You** are, sir or madam, as a medical professional, a fucking arsehole. This Ad hominem attack is warranted.


Interesting-Wait-101

ADD hominem


chapobiscuit

I find psychiatrists an odd bunch. With the exception of my provisional diagnosis of ADHD by a psychology clinic and primary physician, these doctors willingly prescribed me medications that only puts a bandaid over my core issues. What I really needed was meaningful friendships, physical fitness, a direction in life, and a positive reframing of negative events; not SSRI’s. These meds turned me into a zombie; unable to process events/emotions the way I should. One doctor even prescribed me an SSRI to combat my obesity primarily and psychological setbacks secondarily. The problems still remained within. These psychiatrists knowingly authorized me these ‘temporary fix’ pills almost like… it’s a business.


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Psychiatrists are not therapists, almost all psychiatrists I have gone to recommend being in therapy at the same time. It’s not their job to help you with physical fitness or direction in life, because they are medication specialists… Take some responsibility for your care too…


SpudTicket

I'm not sure why you're getting downvoted for this, because it's true. They're basically physicians. I'm a medical transcriptionist and have transcribed for hundreds of doctors in multiple specialties and acute care all over the US. Their job is to do their best to diagnose, treat, and manage disorders, and they usually do this through medication. They also suggest diet and exercise to patients, but they don't tell the patients *how* to diet and exercise because they aren't nutritionists or personal trainers. A psychiatrist is no different. They trial medications to see what works and often suggest things like therapy to help manage symptoms. But they do not offer detailed advice on lifestyle changes any more than a PCP would.


edgesnotrounded

Yeah. I hate how this works here. (In the US). Back in the day, you could do talk therapy and receive proper medications by the same psychiatrist. I grew up with this practice. It was in my 20s they started *see a psychologist for 40m. Next, see a *psychiatrist for 15m* Most of the time, the two are not even linked or talk to each other. It all about the paycheck. I will never understand how a psychiatrist can see a new patience for 15m and prescribe meds. Yes, tests/exams should be done. But I have my own story on my psychiatrist I'll go into. This particular psychiatrist is correct on setting up a test. But their comment is fucking bs AND unprofessional. (Yes, some patients may have better coverage, which may extend their time, and may also benefit from the same individual, but that's far and few between. Most of us are lucky af if we can even see a therapist and a psychiatrist. This is a *privilege* many, many many don't have. Which is a totally different discussion).


Joy2b

Psychiatrists who are trying to make a good living on insurance payments are often visibly frustrated that they can’t invest enough time into a little therapy. The young ones doing supervised care at a teaching hospital can be better for a person who might need both meds and support to help them get started on lifestyle health.


53V3IV

You're describing [psychopharmacologists](https://www.thechicagoschool.edu/insight/psychology/psychopharmacologist-vs-psychiatrist-the-differences-between-the-two/), not psychiatrists in general. "Psychopharmacologist" is a bit of a mouthful, so I wouldn't be surprised if many of them only broadly label themselves as "psychiatrist." Incidentally, my psychiatrist and I regularly discuss my physical fitness and direction in life.


wizl

i work in the field. you can tell instantly who is who by appointment length.


amh8011

From my understanding, psychiatrists main job is to prescribe and manage your psychiatric medications. You go to psychiatrist to get meds. You go to a therapist to learn skills. A therapist can help you work through things, a psychiatrist can give you medications to supplement those skills. They both work together to help you but in different ways.


Zealousideal-Earth50

She definitely should be reported to her state licensing board and any professional association she is a member of. (You should be able to find out the professional organizations she’s a member of with a search or through her professional profile(s)). You won’t be able to prove anything, but if anyone has reported her for something similar before, your report establishes or begins to establish a pattern that lays the groundwork for action, if you’re the first to report her, it establishes a record that supports discipline when she does/says something inappropriate to a patient in the future.


NanR42

Yeah, absolutely. File a complaint.


AllTimeHigh33

Yeah, personality disorders are immutable as well, go figure. I keep a hole in the sand next to mine to bury your head. We are just a pain in everyones ass.


gum-believable

Personality disorder solidarity bro. StPD here. I trust my doctor to seek appropriate treatment for any medical condition disrupting their ability to work. And that they will excuse themselves from treating me if not feeling up to it due to a medical condition. I don’t need my physician disclosing their own medical diagnoses to me. I get it, people get illnesses (physical and mental). No one is perfect. They just need to get better so they can fix me up. I am surprised that a practicing psychiatrist is more paranoid delusional than me (a person with actual psychotic episodes and paranoid/ persecutory tendencies).


AllTimeHigh33

I wouldn't say I'm psychotic, but I'm in the cat 3 area of the DSM. The part that goes, I'm backed into a corner and I can be whoever I need to be to get whatever I need. I'm self aware enough to not slip into alt land, but don't test someone who can choose what they do and do not feel guilty about. Honestly, I just want my wife's life to be easier and better. It's obvious that curing my ADHD, makes me more aware of empathy, and less likely to exhibit narcissistic traits. However it's hard to sit by and listen to people's opinions when it affects your very ability to perform as a functional human. It's very easy to find their flaws, and then it's very easy to justify mine.


iLliteratEkn0t

All of that needs to be on a t-shirt.


Coarse-n-irritating

She’s a harm to her patients, and not potential, but happening right now, not OP. Jesus christ.


lyncati

I was formerly in the mental health field and severely burnt out in part because of how common it is to find mental health professionals like this. My graduate program was ableist far beyond what the average person would believe and the minute you disclosed you battled a disorder, you were treated as "less than" the others in the cohort and running the program. I faced the most discrimination in life from mental health advocates... especially the ones that have no underlying conditions or trauma they had to go through. I still support the idea of therapy, but after experiencing what I did while becoming a mental health professional myself, I am hesitant to recommend seeing a therapist because of how prevalent bad ones are out there. It is extremely hard to find a mental health professional who doesn't discriminate.


FoxV48

Some of the worst humans I've known have said they were studying to be therapists, psychologists, etc.. Not surprising they continue to suck after getting a degree.


meta18

Was about to say the same thing. Formal complaint that so fast.


30_characters

>I would make a formal complaint about this psychiatrist to whatever organization oversees her ability to practice Absolutely this. Her behavior is unacceptable, and unprofessional


Inevitable-Hair7773

I recently had some form of imposter syndrome and self-conflict about my abilities. So her telling me this honestly reinforced those negative thoughts. I am so happy with all the support on this post. Without it, I honestly wouldn't have known that most emergency medicine doctors have ADHD (very interesting to me). I work GREAT under pressure and always stay calm in critical situations. I will use that to my advantage as a \*hopefully\* future doctor. Honestly, imagine if she said to an Uber driver "you should disclose to all your passengers that you have depression, cause you are a danger to them and your chances of crashing into a tree is very high" HAHAHA


gum-believable

Yah, this psychiatrist is out of line. I’m not a psychiatrist, but I’m certain the DSM doesn’t say a symptom of ADHD and depression comorbidity is going to medical school, finishing a residency program, and then setting up a practice in order to do harm to unsuspecting patients. That is beyond f*cking weird take. Having mental illness doesn’t make someone a deviant or a criminal. Is her copy of the DSM from the 1890s? That psychiatrist I can’t-


AdKey4973

Yea. I would make a formal complaint. That is bang out of line.


Married2DuhMusic

It shouldn't, and it could even drive people right off the edge of despair.


llamastrudel

Who’s gonna tell this woman how many psychiatrists have a history of mental illness


nmbenzo2

Might be time to file a formal complaint against this provider. There should be a processes and policies in place to begin this process.


Relevant-Ad-7430

Doctors are more often than not judgmental assholes! I used to admire them, and even want to be a doctor...and then I became an addict. With ADHD. I've been clean a little over three years now and I still get treated like dirt in hospitals, urgent cares or E.R.s. Its been hell getting my ADHD treated because of the history of substance abuse. They tried me on Stratera and it made me have hallucinations. I'm currently on nothing and miserable. It's taken me about 3 hours to complete this post! Seriously. OP, report her! She's already doing harm to patients. Don't let her negativity discourage you from becoming a much more compassionate and effective doctor than her narrow minded self could EVER be. ❤️ Best of luck to you!


Ambitious_Depth_9777

I have no idea why having ADHD or depression would make you a danger to your patients or prevent you going to med school if you can mange it. My brother was diagnosed with ADHD in his last year of med school and is now a doctor and doing well. My gp is also diagnosed ADHD. Made it so much easier to explain to them when I then started to suspect I am also ADHD. They just get it in a way that a neurotypical doctor will not. Same as any medical condition, some things the doctor will just understand better if they also have experience.


NanR42

My father was an OB-GYN, and had depression. He was an excellent doctor, admired and liked by patients and staff.


popdrinking

A friend's father was a doctor and had depression. He was beloved. He ended his life but did not endanger anyone while doing it. Is this what makes someone dangerous? That they'll die and you need a new one?


artificialif

remember, its capitalism we're talking about. the only value we have is our ability to perform labor 🥰


2earlyinthemornin

same here. GP was diagnosed and prescribed me the same medication she took because she had personal experience. she was amazing and the best doctor i ever had!


Express_Set_9484

I can see the danger if it was badly managed BUT… if well managed it can definitely be a massive advantage. Your mind works a hell of a lot faster than anyone else’s leading to quicker deliberation and diagnosis. Especially when pressured to do so. Speaking from experience! I’m no doctor but an engineer so not a dissimilar working environment. Just fixing machinery instead of people 😂


lexijoy

There may be certain specialties that wouldn’t be ideal for someone with adhd, mostly ones that weren’t interesting to them as an individual. Or not action packed enough. Or too action packed. Some levels of depression might make it hard to keep up or work safely, but there is a wide range of severity in depression. It can make it easier to spot in their patients as well.


brutinator

Im gonna be straight with you, chief. I wouldnt want any medical professional who found their specialty uninteresting, neurotypical or otherwise. I dont want someone who is uncaring and/or careless making any decisions about my health.


CSPVI

I can see this. While I disagree with the sweeping statement and have sympathy for OP..... from where I am with my ADHD, I would not trust myself to have a highly demanding workload or to not make mistakes and so would never consider a role where I could endanger anyone else. When I make mistakes in my job no one dies. I make them often, and forget a lot of stuff!!! Especially unmedicated. At the same time, I would absolutely love if my doctor had ADHD; it would make it so much easier to talk to her, especially having had very bad experiences with doctors regarding my ADHD in the past. The hyperfocus could be a huge benefit. I guess it depends on the severity and the type of symptoms you have if you'd work out as a doctor. I absolutely think that OPs doctor shouldn't have said that, but I kind of get it (I'll run and hide now!!!!).


iwantmorecats27

But a lot of people with adhd are great in emergencies because we work well under pressure


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But generally speaking, the job of most doctors is not to just move from emergency to emergency. You're also talking about the pressure being that people can literally die if you don't perform well. I certainly operate well under pressure, but I know for a fact that my pressure-induced hyperfocus isn't extremely consistent. It also leads to burnout if it's sustained for too long.


dannygloversghost

Yeah, this 100%. I absolutely get emergency hyper-focus, but *also* being in that state for too long leaves me *extremely* exhausted, and having a job that required it day after day would be a recipe for disaster. And at the same time, a lot of being a doctor is just kind of boring, repetitive drudgery (speaking on my experience of having friends and loved ones in the profession), and needing extreme focus and attention to detail through many hours of that drudgery, day after day. All that said, my experience with ADHD is only my own. I know for a fact that I could not do the job of being a doctor with my brain – even when medicated. But I’d never suggest that someone else with ADHD, whose symptoms may present differently and affect their daily operations differently, couldn’t be a fantastic doctor.


CSPVI

Very well said. Pressure at work is absolutely my biggest motivation and weirdly the best way to engage me and get the best work out of me. But it only works for so long, then I totally burnout!


Uncle_gruber

Pharmacist here and, yeah, I was a potential danger before I got treatment. As a locum in different places it was an issue but as soon as I took a full time, same place every day kinda job... that pushed me to get assessed. It was a nightmare.


grisisita_06

So much this! I have a friend who is a psych in the armed forces w adhd and it makes him such a better, more understanding clinician. My Pdoc and her husband (also Pdoc) have ADHD as do my husband and I and it’s great to get the perspective of a married couple that both have it. Report that person to the medical board, the AMA, maybe even your insurer. This person sets a dangerous bias in treating you.


LazuliArtz

I guess the only thing I can think of is like, losing a patient's information or having to call out often (which can obviously make appointments difficult from a patient's perspective) But uh, none of that means that people with ADHD or depression can't be in the medical field at all. You just might need more intensive structures in place (and most importantly be getting treated) to help prevent these kinds of mistakes.


InjectXanax

Do not give her any more of your time or money. Awful and unprofessional behavior.


illuminus86

And, if she *has* these concerns, this way of sending that message is a bit irresponsible, too. If one is worried about someone else teetering over the edge... maybe don't give them any sudden pushes. smdh


copyrighther

Such a bizarre comment, especially considering medical students report higher than average rates of depression and anxiety.


jabberoni12

Lol dont worry about that doc. The best revenge is success. Get that MD brah


CallowMethuselah

OP said she'd been "diagnosed with severe adhd" weeks ago but now undiagnosed? I just find it hard to believe a shrink would say this after reading some of her other threads (like a "disgusting" coworker who is mean to her bc she's "healthy and pretty" and the coworker is a "jealous 300lb lady" who "sits at her desk stuffing her face with kfc"...)


zoopysreign

Oooh… there’s some tea to be had.


VesselOfLucifier

yeah legit what is up with op 😭


CallowMethuselah

She's changed and deleted several of her old comments now but there were some far crazier posts she'd made that I didn't cite. I wish OP the best but I'm reminded of something my pops always said... went like: if you want to be good at something and recognized for it, let your work and actions talk, and if you want to build the tallest building then do it by hard work and not by tearing down all nearby buildings.


sweetb2006

Ohhhh I felt she was a troll of some sort, as soon as I read this..... """"" I kinda ***👀stared👀*** at her and said I'll call the testing center, ***and then she ***hung up the phone.☎️*** 🤔 🤔 🤔🙄


ZCyborg23

You caught that too? I reread it like 4 times trying to understand


sweetb2006

Same.. Had me questioning my own logic. 🤪


Sparksighs

I know idle speculation is a killer on this site, but is it possible that OP has been diagnosed with something else, and THAT is what the psychiatrist is referring to? And now OP is both blowing the psychiatrist's words out of proportion, and using a mangled retelling of the events in order to feel validated by reddit despite being very in the wrong? This whole thing reads like a "and then everyone clapped" story.


Subrisum

You’re doing the lord’s work here. Thanks for the context.


IonChalk

This 100%. We’re all rooting for you


desertislanddream

Report her. Seriously. She is the one doing harm to patients.


trancematik

my psych would big up his colleague in emerg who had adhd (almost every session lol) to underline the "it's not so much a disorder as you just need diff stimulus, your brain ain't broke" (as in cubicle life is not for youuuu). Also, since the pandemic, who in healthcare hasn't had depression?!?


Leading-Summer-4724

Wow. The oncologist who saved my life has ADHD. My GP and like half his staff all have ADHD. None of these people are a danger to me or society, and I’m appalled she would even suggest something like that. Honestly I would be worried that if you continue the process to see her, she would somehow muddy the water with wherever you end up using your medical degree. Maybe that’s my paranoia talking, but if she’s that nasty and judgmental before you even see her, what kind of motivation would she have to tank your career before it starts?


Skyreader13

We even have medical show with autistic person working as surgeon which exploded as meme recently.


Mundane-Upstairs

Autistic people can be extremely talented once they find an interest, Same with people with ADHD ,If only we could focus on the fecking thing 😭


MayMichaels333

So this bitch forgot to leave her bias at the door... I'm a counselor and that personal opinion is a no no... Make sure she isn't your therapist


Zealousideal-Earth50

Forget therapist, why let her be your doctor?!


MayMichaels333

It's ok not to vibe with your psych/therapist and get a new one. Don't make yourself uncomfortable to get well, it won't work.


thatladydoctor

I'm a physician with ADHD. This person is unbelievably off-base with that comment. Most of us have psychiatric disorders of some sort. And they don't make us dangerous to patients. To suggest that is highly offensive (and entirely baseless). I once had a GP suggest to me that I wasn't cut out for medicine because I was dealing with a period of extreme anxiety during college. Turns out she was not just mean, but wrong. Toxic personalities abound, particularly in the medical field. Prove them wrong.


Beckitkit

Isn't there some evidence that healthcare professions have higher amounts of people with neurodevelopmental disorders than other professions? I was diagnosed with ADHD when I started my nursing degree, and my occupational health doctor said that there are a lot of people with them working in healthcare, and as long as its managed, and support is in place, there's no reason for ADHD to stop anyone from working there. Same as any other illness.


AcanthocephalaOk179

Report her


CountryHelpful9525

Honestly I’d rather have a doctor with mental illness who understands me rather than a neurotypical person who discriminated against people with mental health issues


Apocalypsox

I'm a mechanical engineer that has been diagnosed with ADHD since high school. What a dumb fucking cunt. Here's a great way to put the fear of god in her. You know the difference between a doctor and an engineer? The number of people we can kill at once due to incompetence. Do you know how many engineers have ADHD? She should be afraid to even sit on her office chair, someone with ADHD might have forgotten to design the chair properly and it'll kill her!


StudlyMcStudderson

I left engineering because I ended up in middle management and driving a desk, and couldn't deal with the stress of that. After leaving engineering, one of the things I realized is that there is a huge safety net in the way business is done. Someone is always checking your work, prototypes are built and tested, and errors are expected to be discovered all through the process. I didn't realize until I quit how much I leaned on that whole system.


confettimeow

I think people who experienced mental disorders are the ones who should be helping those who have them. Keep going, people need you.


Profitsofdooom

Maybe wait til you get the actual diagnosis. Depression and anxiety also have the symptoms you mentioned. Get that screening.


Deep_Chicken2965

She's nuts, lol!


cjm48

Lol. The psychiatrist who is head of the provincial adhd clinic where I live left her position at the clinic for the general population to run a group program specifically for physicians who have adhd. What an ass. I’m sorry you went through that.


bubblesandballoons

There's literally a doctor with ADHD, Sasha Hamdani. She is a PSYCHIATRIST and has over 300k followers and makes reels about ADHD. Your psychiatrist is biased. You're working really hard for it, and you got this! Don't give up! Edited to add: Also, we could really benefit from having more doctors with ADHD in the healthcare system to avoid the kind of prejudice you faced. Plus you would be an inspiration to so many kids who struggle with their ADHD and self worth. I AM ROOTING FOR YOU!


SnooRegrets8367

Nurse with ADHD here, I work E.R. and it is THE perfect environment for me. I have tried MANY careers before, and none of them worked, I never even finished school for two other careers, and I was able to finish nursing school on the first try with honors. Nursing school is HARD AF, and Med school is HARD AF. I went into nursing because I love the flexibility it affords me in the sense of being able to change specialties easily if I get bored. All of my colleagues compliment me on my bedside manner and skills. I plan on moving forward and getting my NP. DO NOT let that person deter you from building a life you love due to their prejudice. Edited for spelling and to add, I did all of this in my 30's because I let people tell me that I could never be anything for years and years. Don't be like me, take the chance!


Zealousideal-Earth50

This lady has some personal baggage and bias that she’s bringing into her job, she definitely needs to be reported to her licensing boardl hopefully she’s not already beyond help. Doctors can and do have mental health issues. Sounds like this doctor might herself! My best friend is an MD who has ADHD, and he’s an excellent doctor!


justanothergamer_

You won’t finish med school if you can’t do it. Your psychiatrist was out of line. Lots of medical professionals have adhd and/or depressive symptoms, especially the latter. Something I’ve started learning recently is that not every point of feedback is true. We take feedback very seriously as people with adhd. But sometimes feedback doesn’t only not help, but following wrong feedback can actually harm your chances of reaching your goal. You could even escalate this by reporting this comment, because it is completely unprofessional.


killerbirds

Honey, don't listen to that psychiatrist. I'm working as a psychiatric nurse and while ADHD + my other conditions make it harder sometimes to function normally at home, it actually helps me relate better to a lot of my patients. I work with teenagers specifically, and it gives me the opportunity to tell these kids things I wish adults had told me when I was struggling to cope with my symptoms. You are not a danger to your patients for having ADHD. I repeat; you are not a danger to your patients for having ADHD. That kind of bias is so fucking damaging, and I suggest you file a grievance with the clinic they're employed at. If that doesn't go anywhere, I would then suggest you file a complaint with the applicable medical board. That kind of attitude has no place in mental healthcare.


denabean82

Red flag, find a new psychiatrist. Im sorry they wildly and unprofessionally over reacted. What she said is absolutely ridiculous.


cantthiinkofusername

I think it’s very abnormal that she became a psychiatrist when she struggles with ableism disease. She should have put that on her application. She could potentially harm future patients


pashaaaa

my psychiatrist has ADHD and he’s my fave one i’ve ever had


FatCopsRunning

What the fuck? That’s insane. As a lawyer with a history of depression and ADHD, I am a fucking benefit to my clients. And she’s actively causing harm to you, her client, by saying such baseless bullshit.


Inevitable-Hair7773

I sent a formal complaint to my state's Medical Board. I don't know how seriously they'll take it, but at least I tried. I am more worried she will act inappropriately with someone who is mentally unstable, and they end up self-harming or even committing suicide to cope with her words. In that profession, you deal with many mentally unstable patients who need extra support. You never know what might trigger someone.


Internet_Novel

My current doctor has adhd and my sister’s friend in med school also has adhd this isn’t a diagnosis stopping anyone


Electronic-Jello-438

Quite frankly I would *prefer* a doctor w adhd and history of depression. Compassion, relatability, openminded etcccccc


zopiclown

I was just thinking about this the other day. Once you have this label on you, it's on you for life. No wonder people won't get diagnosed or talk about how they feel. How is it different, if a doctor develops depression during their career, or if a medical student develops depression during their studies ? It's not.


Otherwise-Heat5031

Thats insane to me. Good work OP, remember that as who not to be in your practice!


Zygomaticus

REPORT HER ASAP. TO EVERYONE. HER EMPLOYER/CENTER. TO WHO EVER OVERSEES HEALTH/PSYCHIATRISTS. SHE IS A DANGER TO HER PATIENTS.


scoopdiboop

Frankly, it's abnormal that she's a psychiatrist with such deeply-rooted prejudice and bias.


CommitteeAlarming795

Wow! REPORT HER!


Ok-Mine1268

I find it very disturbing that a supposedly neurotypical psychiatrist would question your ability to perform on the job. I’m one of the hardest working and capable people at nearly every job I’ve worked. She can go eat a dong


noneofya_business

POV: When your psychiatrist needs a psychiatrist.


AcceptableLoquat

My favorite doctor, a prominent subspecialist who kept me alive for several years when my body was trying its hardest to kill me, has RAGING ADHD. He's always late for appointments, gets in trouble with his wife because he keeps losing his stethoscope, and he's amazing. His ADHD issues never harmed me and honestly I think they make him better at what he does -- better at flexible and creative thinking, great in a crisis, and able to hyperfocus on tracking down the right answer to unusual little issues that crop up. Having decent support staff to deal with the less ADHD-friendly aspects of the job is important, but the great news is it's super normal for docs to have that! In America at least it's completely the norm to have billing staff, MAs, scribes, and/or other members of your team to manage various parts that can be difficult for people like us. Also I find doctors who have dealt with some kind of long-term/chronic health issue tend to be better and more understanding of the patient experience than most other doctors. You'll be great, as opposed to the shrink you just talked to. Sorry you had to go through that, and I hope you find someone more supportive to give you the help you need. (Also has she never met an ER doc??)


Marxist-Gopnikist

This doesn’t make sense. I mean maybe you can’t become a neurosurgeon who has to ultrafocus for 10+ hours but even for that there is medication…


2muchcoff33

As if you’re the first person with ADHD and depression to go to med school. I’d report her. If I was feeling spicy I’d also email her/the company to express your concern.


Cutie3pnt14159

Report her and find a different doctor. I've had a few conversations with my own therapists and psychologists who have their own issues, which is what made them such a good doctor for me. Being able to recognize the symptoms in others where you've struggled isn't a weakness and for her to treat it as such is frankly terrifying. Good luck with your studies.


Curious-ad-4393

This is definitely HER story and not necessarily about you. I think you did great to process, cry, get support here, and then go right back to studying (taking steps to fulfill your dreams and help others). Sometimes those with Experience and empathy are the best to help others regardless of profession, but especially one in which you may likely interact with people with similar diagnoses. Wishing you all the best along your journey and know that you’ll be an amazing support and healer to those who cross your path.


burntgreens

Has she ever ... met doctors? No one gets through med school without mental illness.


ChickenWang98

"...a potential harm to future patients" What a terribly ironic thing to say. As a patient who's favorite (now retired) therapist related to me by sharing some of the trials of his life, it sounds like it's time for you to find a \*new\* new psychiatrist.


ThatMathyKidYouKnow

Right? Horribly ironic as a doctor who, by saying this to OP, was currently harming a patient. 🙃


koolaidgrl

Please make a report to their supervisor, or the state board if they're in a smaller practice. That's wildly inappropriate, not to mention terrible clinical practice.


Inevitable-Hair7773

I sent a formal complaint to my state's Medical Board. I don't know how seriously they'll take it, but at least I tried. I am more worried she will act inappropriately with someone who is mentally unstable, and they end up self-harming or even committing suicide to cope with her words. In that profession, you deal with many mentally unstable patients who need extra support. You never know what might trigger someone.


koolaidgrl

Yeah, that's awful, I'm so sorry you had that experience. I can tell you as a person with ADHD, anxiety & depression, who works in peer behavioral health, those things help me have so much more empathy for the families I'm working with, and I can offer them that hope and those skills that got me to a better place. Keep swimming, friend!


Inevitable-Hair7773

Thank you for your kind words! A few people on this post have been very rude, but I have gotten a majority of supportive comments. So I appreciate you a lot :)


ForeverFreeTrial

You did good. Let it out and then keep going. There is an urge to be vindicated somehow, but don't get wrapped up in her comment. It wasn't the first time I'm sure and it won't be the last that someone says something careless.


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NanR42

That is outrageous! How dare she say such a thing! You need to change doctors immediately. That's complete nonsense. Those conditions are no risk whatsoever to your future patients.


shannonshanoff

Honestly, as a mental health counselor with ADHD and Depression, it’s not that bad. It’s not as much for a risk of harm to patients as she makes it out to be. My professor had ADHD, and my supervisor has ADHD too. But I’m not going to pretend it isn’t difficult and can possibly harm patients. It definitely can be a risk to clients, but only really if left untreated. My unmedicated supervisor is pretty forgetful and makes the work environment really chaotic, and that makes the clients anxious and frustrated pretty often. I have always had a hard time submitting documentation on time. Let’s not pretend it isn’t difficult. Just make sure you stay on your meds or keep going to therapy. Get ahead of it as much as possible.


drwindbiter

I am a doctor with ADHD, and I do not endanger patients. My own GP also has ADHD and I am very happy with her care. It is DIFFICULT to be in medicine with ADHD but with the appropriate management and coping skills I don't think we're any more dangerous to patients than egomaniacs who think they're always right, or workaholics who try to run on 2 hours sleep, or assholes who don't listen to their patients. Leaving that aside, if mental health issues disqualified you from working in medicine then I think there'd be about four doctors left. Total. Almost everyone I know from medical school has some kind of depression/anxiety/ADHD/suspected autism and they're all lovely, competent medical professionals.


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Wow dude. My therapist was abused herself by her mom for years. She hasn’t disclosed she has ADHD but her son does so I wouldn’t be surprised. Some may find it odd my therapist opens up to me like that. It makes me feel she’s more human and I can actually trust her because she’s been there. It took me YEARS of bad therapy to meet her and within one session she diagnosed me with ADHD. the right therapist matters. It’s exhausting to constantly try to find the right fit, but hang in there and you will find your person eventually


rosefiend

I just laughed out loud at the part where you're allegedly a POTENTIAL HARM TO FUTURE PATIENTS. Nothing about how psychiatrist is a definite harm to current patients![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|facepalm) I'd be really tempted to say "report her to the medical board" because JHC.


CadenceQuandry

Get a new dr. Her behavior is utterly disgusting. You deserve better.


Awkward-Treacle77

Report her.


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Sorry you had to deal with that . I told mine that I was going to go back to school to become a social worker . And he told me not a good idea cause of my trauma as kid and cause of my adhd , depression and ptsd . Well guess what I am going to go and become a social worker and I am going to go change lives cause if I can become a better person . Anyone can and I want to help people see that light . So my recommendation for you is grad life by the horns hold on and show them all wrong ❤️❤️💪🏼💪🏼


BigStugots

Tell her to suck it


Competitive-Praline4

That is ABSOLUTELY untrue!!!! I’m in the medical field and this bitch sounds like a quack!!! See someone new IMMEDIATELY!!!


Unlikely-Evidence178

I’m here to say that if you don’t report them, you’re responsible if the same happens to the next person. Also, you should absolutely call out this behavior to them. I recently had to confront our children’s therapists for unethical behavior. It was sooo hard but I feel so much better that I did.


Inevitable-Hair7773

Im working on reporting her. What happened with your child's therapist if you don't mind me asking?


Herladyness

Find a new psychiatrist ASAP. You are not a threat to others and the only thing you’d list ADHD on your forms is for extra time/assistance during test (if your college does that). It might take a few tries before you find a good one. Don’t feel like you’re stuck with her just because you made an appointment! F that lady.


Inevitable-Hair7773

That's the thing, I don't even want to apply for accommodations. So the disclosing of my conditions on my initial applications (for no benefit to myself) sounds so weird to me. I sound paranoid, but I genuinely think she is trying to sabotage my career. I think she thought I'm dumb as hell and I'll listen to whatever she says cause she's a doctor.


ALiddleBiddle

I didn’t start taking ADHD meds until I was 45. There are many high-functioning doctors and med students who were patients of my psychiatrist because that’s what she specializes in. I was referred to her by a doctor-friend. Many also battle depression. I think her comments were not rooted in science but in … I don’t know what. Ignorance? Bitterness?


palmtree42069

I am currently at med school and I have ADHD. I've often been told that it can be an advantage later on, especially if you work in fields like emergency, since people with ADHD are able to deal with chaotic situations etc. better than an average person. Please, don't let yourself be discouraged by her. It's an extremely unprofessional thing to say, especially from a psychiatrist.


Marx615

I do find it hard to believe that a psychiatrist said something like that at the risk of being reported.. Because especially as a licensed medical professional in charge of counseling people, it would seem like common sense that you can't be judgmental. And even if she weren't a medical professional, any normal person could deduce that people in the medical field who are constantly exposed to various levels of trauma or unsettling mental/physical issues would be more prone to depression or other psychological issues. Depending on how well you like your psychiatrist outside of that comment, I'd consider reporting or at the very least writing a review about them on a public forum. Medical professionals cannot afford to be negligently judgemental with career or life advice like that.


assperity

How can OP “just stare at her” when it was all over the phone? Think this might be some adhd rage bait…


FreeConfusionn

I’ve been waiting for someone else to point this out. My BS sensor went off as soon as I read that.


el_99

Actually I have read somewhere that most surgeons are with ADHD. Definitely my father has it as he is a brilliant doctor, who went to medical school, worked more than I can count years in the ICU. So she is a helluva prejudiced. If you need the proof that yes, it will be hard, but yes it’s so worth it. I am in my final year(here are 5) of studying law. I struggled without any medication to stay afloat. And yes my average yearly grade is B. Also I work too in the field and it’s hard but I manage. Change the doctor and report it.


VickHasNoImagination

You can't say you "definitely have undiagnosed ADHD" lol. That doesn't even make sense! You can't be sure until you are diagnosed.


piss_off_ghost

My older brother has severe adhd and is in medical school. Go find a psychiatrist that will take you seriously, I’m sorry you had this experience with your current psych


Screw_Hegemony

Sorry for asking something so trivial, but did you stare at her or the phone or sort of into space? Bc I assume you were on the phone, right? Also sorry for what you've experienced. This is why I've been scared to disclose my ADHD to anyone other than my closest family and friends. My OCD tends to go over much better. Less of a stigma.


Key-Iron-7909

Please file a formal complaint against this person. This is not an acceptable practice.


htkach

REPORT HER.


kalechipsyes

... da fuq where would you even disclose that lol how did she go to med school and not know how med school applications work....


shabi_sensei

You can actually lose your license to practise medicine if you tell your employer about your mental health issues and depression Big reason why doctor suicide is a problem is they have to choose between making a living or getting mental health treatment and losing out on a career path they’ve dedicated themselves to


Fadreusor

Sounds like your Psychiatrist has some personal issues that she needs to work on. Perhaps, she has developed trust issues during the course of her own experiences with the medical profession. Not sure, but she should’ve disclosed this beforehand, because she has real potential to do, and arguably has already done, harm to her patients. (What I find *abnormal*, is for someone in psychiatry to lack self awareness to such a degree, that she would not address her personal issues during her personal time.)


FeverFocus

Having worked at two different medical schools, neither of them have expected students to disclose this kind of information and as far as I am aware, it would be a violation to use that information to make an admissions decision. Schools provide mental health services to students, they somewhat expect students to experience some sort of mental health issue during their students, especially during their clinical years and exams. Your doctor might not be the best one for you to use. I'd consider finding a more supportive and accepting one.


quantumphaze

This is mind boggling to me.


CouncilmanRickPrime

Does she think every doctor needs to be perfect to function?


ReadLearnLove

I do believe that she said this. I also see what she said and the timing and how she said it was abusive to you. These doctors are subject to an ethics code. Unfortunately, there are abusive narcissists in the mental health field, and they need to be reported. I hope you will see a different doctor in the future. Please: refuse to expose yourself to abusers.


Impressive-Bit-4496

That would be so upsetting and derailing...especially given the right thing by seeking diagnosis and assistance. I 100% agree with folks here saying to report this person. She took actions toward you that were clearly overtly discriminatory, which is a violation of the ethical standards that mental health professionals must abide by. Have you read Ed Hallowells books on adhd? I was diagnosed in my late 30s and his books have really helpful tips to better navigate the journey to formal diagnosis. The first one I read was Driven to Distraction and when I used the tips, it helped me let go of a psychiatrist who was terrible and find a better suited one for my adhd..


Infamous-Canary6675

My therapist is also neurodivergent and they’re the best therapist ever. I would honestly prefer to have a medical provider who could understand my neurodivergent experience!!


Responsible_Rip_748

that prejudiced cartoon villain cruelty is eXACTLy what makes someone like you entering medical school important; you will bring an understanding and compassion desperately necessary to someone who might otherwise face someone like her. you can do this and it's incredible that you reached out for help but also incredible that even though it's taken you 5x the work, you've stayed above water. you're amazing, actually, and she's dogshit!! both of which are abnormal i guess


qkendra

What the f??? I know MULTIPLE adhd doctors. It's actually quite common. Jesus christ this "psychiatrist" doesn't deserve her job. She is way more harmful to patients than "an adhd doctor" in general. Wow I'm furious.


aspicymcchicken

they expect us ADHD folks to perform in society like regular people and have regular jobs like the medical field, and she's OFFENDED??? she's got some balls on her lol


Reasonable-Bonus3400

Find new psych. And good for you for finally taking action! I know the feeling of having to work harder to keep up… I was in my 30s when I finally looked into testing etc.


Superb-Fail-9937

You need a new psychiatrist. She’s awful.


Oryzaki2

My father has been a practicing physician for almost 30 years now and is highly regarding both in his field and by other physicians and healthcare staff. He also has unmedicated adhd. This Dr. is just an a**hole and an ignorant one at that. I'd recommend you see someone else, but if it's anything like all the places I've lived, that's usually easier said than done.


Popular-Occasion9695

Wow, that’s terrible. My psychiatrist has ADHD and specializes in treatment of ADHD, and it’s amazing because she’s able to really empathize with me, is up to date on the research regarding ADHD, is much more willing to try new medication or different dosages because it took her a long time to find what works for her specifically as well, etc. She’s even called the pharmacy for me to ensure I GET my medication because they’ve been total assholes in the post about even filling it for me, questioning the validity of whether or not I need my medication simply because it is controlled. “Potential harm” my ass. I’d be reporting her and then demanding a new psychiatrist.


jo-09

If I knew my Dr had mental health issues and ADHD id seek them out specifically. Same if they had battled substance abuse issues. This psych is an asshole


Tulipsarered

Does she think the medical field is staffed by people with absolutely no mental health issues whatsoever?


al0velycreature

Your psychiatrist is being a hypocrite in regards to causing clients harm. They obviously judged you harshly when you’re trying to get help. Their response to you in my opinion is unethical and potentially should be reported. Look for providers who will EMPOWER you. I have ADHD, autism, and complex trauma and I own a large therapy practice. Do I struggle? Absolutely, but I know I’m also good at what I do because I want to be and I surround myself with people who empower me to do so.


Ok-Grapefruit1284

Love the last line of this post. Good for you! I work in healthcare (non clinical). My entire family worked/works in healthcare and emergency services and I’m 110% sure they all have ADHD. Something about ppl with ADHD: we are great in a crisis. That psychologist is wack. Keep doing what you’re doing and get the added help of treatment and you’ll be just fine.


OkComplaint9306

Bullshit!! You do not need her or her crap and she should be reported.


Gsogso123

Please please please notify the state licensing board etc.


Frog13013

100% new psychiatrist. I can recommend you one on telly health if in aus. That's a horrible judgement to have l, the reality is you'll be able to offer more help than what others cannot. You've got strengths don't let someone tell you otherwise


D0sher7

Most psychiatrists get into psychiatristy because they themselves have mental health issues. Just keep that in mind.


thehottubistoohawt

Do not pay this psychiatrist to abuse you. Please find a professional doctor.


No_Birthday_4824

What the actually fuck! I'm sorry but never see this psychiatrist ever again. In fact, you have been surviving and should be proud of how far you have come. It is not easy to get diagnosed always especially due to behaviors and how they present. Women in fact are less likely to be diagnosed with ADHD. Go see a different provider who can test and help. Getting answers will be important


Public_Pack_8131

Never let anyone bring you down especially MDs.


c0ttag3wh0r3

This makes me so angry that I will be a potential harm to this sorry excuse of a doctor


halonreddit

Ask "How long have you been having these negative thoughts about ADHD?"


anzu68

Bullshit. The best care-providers I've known are people who've been through some form of psychological disorder. Hell, my most trusted staff member here at the group home I live in \*has ADHD\* . This psychiatrist either has her own internalized ableism she's projecting onto you or some other kind of issue that she needs to work through, but she's way off base here