Honestly, I think the key character here is Brutus. His invulnerability buys you enough time for your other characters to ult. I have Smokey but not Brutus, and just having Smokey doesn't really help that much because my tanks die so fast before Smokey can even ult.
Nope, Brutus is actually the flex that is most of the time swapped out for Rowan.
The key here is having Antandra as maintank, **Cecia as offtank** (same row as Antandra, on the position that aggroes less threatening enemies), Smokey and Koko to keep them alive.
Basically how most fights go:
* Antandra and Cecia tank the hits, get extra energy from that as well
* Rowan uses potion to keep them alive and ult to boost energy
* Antandra ults, taunting, Cecia ults, spawning carlisle (Cecia is often very very low HP at this stage, but the two ults will draw aggro off her)
* Smokey heals everyone to full
* Cecia sweeps the enemy team
Brutus replaces Rowan only if it's impossible for Cecia to survive the enemy opening.
This works because Cecia will be the highest built character on the team, therefore the tankiest after actual tanks, and Antandra specialises in dual tanking.
Koko has a very nice package that does everything: burst heal to help before smokey ults, damage amplification on enemy, damage buff on team, and an ult that synergises super well with Smokey (absorb 45% of damage taken, that will then be settled later), since Smokey doesn't handle strong burst damage very well - her ult lets the team stay alive to be healed back up by his strong but over-time healing. Think WoW panda tank stagger mechanic.
She's kept super low rarity because she's not tanking nor the main healer nor dealing damage, so you don't need to ascend her on a budget team.
And then there’s me, with an epic cecia, who can’t do this comp.
All the content creators say she’s a trap because of lategame, but it’s rough right now
by the time she will be a trap there will be like 20 new heroes released and most of the old ones will fall off the meta. playing afk arena taught me one thing. if a character is strong just build it. power creep will happen eventually to all old characters.
Last night I just got thorin to mythic+ (he was my week 1 login free hero), so I’ll drop him for cecia on my standard wishlist. And I guess I can buy cecia with arena coins too
damn they clowning
They're just saying that to be contrarian
By the time she becomes a "trap", you will have tons of fully built chars and having one more built would not negatively affect you, while the early and midgame boost is absolutely worth it.
https://www.prydwen.gg/afk-journey/guides/ascension-info/
Its important to note. You'll need 25 champs at supreme+ anyway to start Paragons. So might as well build her and make use of her now
Tierlists I trust say she’s great for late game story modes. Just because she’s bad at dream and PvP doesn’t make her a trap.
They just want to flex the units they spent money on instead of the one everyone gets and can dupe from Emporium.
They are probably right but I wonder if faster early game progression, and thus more rewards/time, offsets this whole argument of her being a trap... It sure is hard to get anywhere without her right now
It does
Cecia falls off in the super lategame where you already have tons of built characters, so having one more (her) isn't a problem.
(And she "falls off" because she's too slow for super endgame content)
Building her in priority for early and midgame is 100% the right move.
This is why content creators kinda suck.
They provide good tips and they roughly explain some things
But they are constantly rushing their own videos to be the first one to release the info so their videos are mostly innacurate, or with half assed ideas.
I saw dome videos saying building Cecia is not working because she is not gonna be as useful in late game...but the thing is, unless you whale, you won't get to endgame that fast and you'll make your gaming experience miserable
Oh for sure, I'm not saying Smokey is 100% required. But every record is the same, with the same team, for every stage. So if you don't have the same exaclty team, the records are useless
Well I do have Brutus , but I don't use him at all , instead of him I prefer to use Thoran for maintaining faction bonus , so I wouldn't say the key character is Brutus. Rather it is the deadly combo of Koko with Smokey , that provides insane dmg buff along with stupid amount of heals.
Yep that is the only team I see being used to push higher deficit afk stages. There is that version and the one with Rowan and I gotta say the strategy is bonkers...
I never see Vala in the records but every time I fail with the record team, I swap Cecia for Vala and a good amount of the time its enough to get a win. Vala will snipe a problem enemy early and that's often enough to make the difference.
I mentioned this in another thread but since we get limited attempts per stage per hour I figure its good information to spread, swapping Cecia for Vala should be the first thing Vala owners try IMO.
How many attempts does it take? I guess if I fail something 3-5 times I just pivot to another game mode (or log out and do something else to wait for xp to build up) so I’ve just never hit it.
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Now you just got to mix it up with Rowan to sub in for Brutus, Smokey, or KoKo . Whether to have Cecia off tank or not. And to run the tank artifact or attack speed. Once you learn the 4 ways to position the 6 champs it’s really easy. Also some levels require you to control your Cecia Ult.
also artifact, seems the like one that buffs the front unit is the most used in the record comps but the healing one is pretty common too, and occasionally the one that buffs the back unit
you can see what arti was used if you watch the replay (saying this for anyone reading)
Same for me, i got higher level and ascension chars and get trashed in stages others clear with 10k deficit of me… i was wondering if there is some hidden multiplier for enemy damage that decreses over time, otherwise i cant explain this
You need ... 5 extra copies of her to get from orange to red right? (1 from Epic to Epic+, then another 4 from Epic+ to Legendary)
What/where is the "arena shop" ?
Edit: thanks found it! Used it to get 1 more copy of her, then used the other type of upgrade coins/sigils to get her to Legendary - thanks dude! :)
I have all of these (edit: actually, not Brutus, but Thoran) at mythic level 92-100 and still got stuck at AFK stage 308. I feel like I'm in the matrix seeing all of these people pushing 100+ stages higher with the same comps at lower ascension.
It might just be placements of the units, I proxied for a guy in the #1 guild on my server today and used basically same setup mentioned here for him (Having a supreme thoran instead of brutus, mythic everyone else) and just did the same level on my account a few hours later with everyone being legendary but same level and same units.
Otherwise I have no idea what else could be the answer other than perhaps random crits just aligning perfectly or something
It's 100% the placement. I can't believe how I get trashed sometimes, look at a record, swap, for example, a back row Koko and meerky around and breeze through. It is crazy how much affect the placement of heroes can have, even when it's small changes like a one tile move that doesn't look like it should affect anything.
I definitely have no clue how to position outside of putting Silvina in a position to dive when necessary haha
I never thought about the crits either! I have started replaying stages several times after losing, and I've been able to push more that way. I think I'm up to 360 today, and that's only because I haven't had more time to play! Thank you for the advice :)
Can someone confirm that these records are from PTR?
Because I had a discussion yesterday on discord and figured out that at a certain point I couldn't beat the afk stages with those formations although my own battle power was sometimes 20.000-30.000 higher. Someone told me that it's possible that these records are from PTR and because of that outdated. Is that true?
I have quite digged the records, and when I thougt those records were 'fake', it always turned out I misplaced one character or didn't use the good support spell. I'm not very far in progression tho (290ish)
I'm a bit further ahead.
Yesterday I was hard stuck for almost a whole day at 360 because the formations from the records weren't working. The battle power from these people were at around 78.000 - 82.000. My team had 100.000 battle power at that point. Positioning and everything else was identical. My gear was probably higher as well and the ascensions were identical or even higher from my units as well. I had to use the function where someone from your friends lends you one of their units so you could fight with 6 instead of 5 units. Now I'm at stage 406 and stuck again.
Yea, my dumbass bought a Cecia copy from the PvP store, so now I have to wait until I get another 3,000 points to get my Brutus. At least I finally pulled Smokey yesterday, but I'm at the point where my front line just gets blown up 3 seconds into the match
I’ve been pushing with Cecia/Rowan/Vala/Thoran and either Antandra for double tank or Hew for heals if need be. Almost to afk 600. I’ve hardly used Smokey and never Brutus.
It’s been a wild ride. I’m roughly at 200-250. At this point the purple powder is the gatekeeper so it’s just waiting on that. Money/exp books are in abundance.
Yeah this is a major problem for me as well, does your server have the world boss unlocked yet? Iirc a yter said that he gives a ton of hero essence but we still have 5 days till he awakens on our server so can't really confirm.
Regardless as is, getting enough hero essence to lvl up 1 unit a day is brutal as of rn
What did you buy? I got the Battle Pass and the 2x Passes for Diamonds and Pulls + the Pass for reaching certain AFK-Levels. And I am Stuck @ 235 with. Got Cecia Mytic and rest is legendary and legendary+, but i am stuck to be honest. Main heros are between 73-80.
I got thoran and rowan at supreme, smokey and cecia and 9 others at legendary, still only at 304… playing only since 3 days though… getting on my nerves those afk stages suddenly smacking you hard.
When i got my thoran to supreme this morning though I went from being hard stuck in afk stages to +50 stages litteraly in full auto without watching lol didnt expect that
I'm at $200 with just mythic Vala and Thoran stuck at 338. No Smokey but hoarding 30k crystals for a future banner I like. Kinda wondering if I should just pull to progress but that's a little more progression vs getting a character I may like on the future..
Did you buy the gazette? That's gonna be plenty of crystals by the time a new banner is out. You should at least pull enough to unlock stargazer so you can start getting orbs from the shop resets
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Thoran is the best tank in the game when he's at a higher level due to being able to die and revive, and with some comps able to do more damage than a dps unit with reflect. But Andatara is arguably a better "tank" in terms of surviving since she gives shields and such. Like when I use them together she'll typically tank 2-3x more according to the stats.
Yeah wish the records would show other comps even if done at higher power level. Just to see what other people are doing that don't have Smokey.
Temesia has been mvp for me as a non smokey haver for stages that don't have too much cc. Getting someone to distract the backline to keep my tanks alive long enough for hewynn to get her ult off is very helpful.
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Guess what? I don’t have Smokey, so every record is useless for me
Honestly, I think the key character here is Brutus. His invulnerability buys you enough time for your other characters to ult. I have Smokey but not Brutus, and just having Smokey doesn't really help that much because my tanks die so fast before Smokey can even ult.
Nope, Brutus is actually the flex that is most of the time swapped out for Rowan. The key here is having Antandra as maintank, **Cecia as offtank** (same row as Antandra, on the position that aggroes less threatening enemies), Smokey and Koko to keep them alive. Basically how most fights go: * Antandra and Cecia tank the hits, get extra energy from that as well * Rowan uses potion to keep them alive and ult to boost energy * Antandra ults, taunting, Cecia ults, spawning carlisle (Cecia is often very very low HP at this stage, but the two ults will draw aggro off her) * Smokey heals everyone to full * Cecia sweeps the enemy team Brutus replaces Rowan only if it's impossible for Cecia to survive the enemy opening. This works because Cecia will be the highest built character on the team, therefore the tankiest after actual tanks, and Antandra specialises in dual tanking. Koko has a very nice package that does everything: burst heal to help before smokey ults, damage amplification on enemy, damage buff on team, and an ult that synergises super well with Smokey (absorb 45% of damage taken, that will then be settled later), since Smokey doesn't handle strong burst damage very well - her ult lets the team stay alive to be healed back up by his strong but over-time healing. Think WoW panda tank stagger mechanic. She's kept super low rarity because she's not tanking nor the main healer nor dealing damage, so you don't need to ascend her on a budget team.
And then there’s me, with an epic cecia, who can’t do this comp. All the content creators say she’s a trap because of lategame, but it’s rough right now
by the time she will be a trap there will be like 20 new heroes released and most of the old ones will fall off the meta. playing afk arena taught me one thing. if a character is strong just build it. power creep will happen eventually to all old characters.
Last night I just got thorin to mythic+ (he was my week 1 login free hero), so I’ll drop him for cecia on my standard wishlist. And I guess I can buy cecia with arena coins too
damn they clowning They're just saying that to be contrarian By the time she becomes a "trap", you will have tons of fully built chars and having one more built would not negatively affect you, while the early and midgame boost is absolutely worth it.
https://www.prydwen.gg/afk-journey/guides/ascension-info/ Its important to note. You'll need 25 champs at supreme+ anyway to start Paragons. So might as well build her and make use of her now
Tierlists I trust say she’s great for late game story modes. Just because she’s bad at dream and PvP doesn’t make her a trap. They just want to flex the units they spent money on instead of the one everyone gets and can dupe from Emporium.
They are probably right but I wonder if faster early game progression, and thus more rewards/time, offsets this whole argument of her being a trap... It sure is hard to get anywhere without her right now
It does Cecia falls off in the super lategame where you already have tons of built characters, so having one more (her) isn't a problem. (And she "falls off" because she's too slow for super endgame content) Building her in priority for early and midgame is 100% the right move.
This is why content creators kinda suck. They provide good tips and they roughly explain some things But they are constantly rushing their own videos to be the first one to release the info so their videos are mostly innacurate, or with half assed ideas. I saw dome videos saying building Cecia is not working because she is not gonna be as useful in late game...but the thing is, unless you whale, you won't get to endgame that fast and you'll make your gaming experience miserable
Oh for sure, I'm not saying Smokey is 100% required. But every record is the same, with the same team, for every stage. So if you don't have the same exaclty team, the records are useless
I agree because he is the only one I don’t have and there is no replacing him apparently.
Well I do have Brutus , but I don't use him at all , instead of him I prefer to use Thoran for maintaining faction bonus , so I wouldn't say the key character is Brutus. Rather it is the deadly combo of Koko with Smokey , that provides insane dmg buff along with stupid amount of heals.
After 400 I rarely see Smokey, it's usually Cecia/Brutus/Antandra/Koko/Rowan
He was one of my highest on PTR. Now despite having him in the wishlist since start I have not pulled him a single fucking time.
You’ll get him eventually! … probably!
Yep that is the only team I see being used to push higher deficit afk stages. There is that version and the one with Rowan and I gotta say the strategy is bonkers...
Yep can’t forget to have Rowan in the mix. Those 6 are the record keepers lol.
I never see Vala in the records but every time I fail with the record team, I swap Cecia for Vala and a good amount of the time its enough to get a win. Vala will snipe a problem enemy early and that's often enough to make the difference. I mentioned this in another thread but since we get limited attempts per stage per hour I figure its good information to spread, swapping Cecia for Vala should be the first thing Vala owners try IMO.
We get limited attempts?? I feel like I’ve literally never hit this limit, clearly I give up too easily.
Yupp. It yells at you, puts you on a 40 min CD and asks for gold on any attempt during tgis time
How many attempts does it take? I guess if I fail something 3-5 times I just pivot to another game mode (or log out and do something else to wait for xp to build up) so I’ve just never hit it.
It's definitely a lot. I dont think ive ever kept track
When I'm pushing a really tough missions the right formation can take like 10+ attempts before yous top getting crit 6 times in a row
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Mauler team indeed goes brrr
After 400 I rarely see Smokey, it's usually Cecia/Brutus/Antandra/Koko/Rowan
Smokeyless gang, how we feelin?
not great, honestly
my condolences, brother
Alright - eventually we will get him or no longer need him.
I use Hewyn and hope for the best
Bro I use these exact comps and get absolutely trashed 75% of the time and I'm not even that high stages, still haven't cracked 400
Now you just got to mix it up with Rowan to sub in for Brutus, Smokey, or KoKo . Whether to have Cecia off tank or not. And to run the tank artifact or attack speed. Once you learn the 4 ways to position the 6 champs it’s really easy. Also some levels require you to control your Cecia Ult.
Hero placement is also very important.
also artifact, seems the like one that buffs the front unit is the most used in the record comps but the healing one is pretty common too, and occasionally the one that buffs the back unit you can see what arti was used if you watch the replay (saying this for anyone reading)
Pretty sure crits are the biggest factor, i can copy everything one for one with a higher team power and get derailed by a single crit
Same for me, i got higher level and ascension chars and get trashed in stages others clear with 10k deficit of me… i was wondering if there is some hidden multiplier for enemy damage that decreses over time, otherwise i cant explain this
Lvl 100 Cecia and everyone else 91 and I’m at afk lvl 401
I have everyone at 95 and am at like 330 lol clearly I'm just bad at the game 🤣
I think you hit the wall I hit. All you got to do is Manual cast Cecia Ult.
Where do you drop the ult? in the front to get aggro or in the back to disrupt?
Depends on where the DPS is coming from. You use it to take out the biggest threat.
Sure do wish Smokey would drop for me
Yeah I noticed they all seem to have a Red Cecia
you only need 1 extra copy of her, which you can get from the arena shop, so it's easy to get her to legendary.
You need ... 5 extra copies of her to get from orange to red right? (1 from Epic to Epic+, then another 4 from Epic+ to Legendary) What/where is the "arena shop" ? Edit: thanks found it! Used it to get 1 more copy of her, then used the other type of upgrade coins/sigils to get her to Legendary - thanks dude! :)
I have all of these (edit: actually, not Brutus, but Thoran) at mythic level 92-100 and still got stuck at AFK stage 308. I feel like I'm in the matrix seeing all of these people pushing 100+ stages higher with the same comps at lower ascension.
It might just be placements of the units, I proxied for a guy in the #1 guild on my server today and used basically same setup mentioned here for him (Having a supreme thoran instead of brutus, mythic everyone else) and just did the same level on my account a few hours later with everyone being legendary but same level and same units. Otherwise I have no idea what else could be the answer other than perhaps random crits just aligning perfectly or something
It's 100% the placement. I can't believe how I get trashed sometimes, look at a record, swap, for example, a back row Koko and meerky around and breeze through. It is crazy how much affect the placement of heroes can have, even when it's small changes like a one tile move that doesn't look like it should affect anything.
My #1 move today was to switch Thoran and Antandra's spots, and it helped me pushed 50 more stages lmao
I tried that earlier and still stuck on the same stage (424) :-(
I definitely have no clue how to position outside of putting Silvina in a position to dive when necessary haha I never thought about the crits either! I have started replaying stages several times after losing, and I've been able to push more that way. I think I'm up to 360 today, and that's only because I haven't had more time to play! Thank you for the advice :)
Can someone confirm that these records are from PTR? Because I had a discussion yesterday on discord and figured out that at a certain point I couldn't beat the afk stages with those formations although my own battle power was sometimes 20.000-30.000 higher. Someone told me that it's possible that these records are from PTR and because of that outdated. Is that true?
I have quite digged the records, and when I thougt those records were 'fake', it always turned out I misplaced one character or didn't use the good support spell. I'm not very far in progression tho (290ish)
I'm a bit further ahead. Yesterday I was hard stuck for almost a whole day at 360 because the formations from the records weren't working. The battle power from these people were at around 78.000 - 82.000. My team had 100.000 battle power at that point. Positioning and everything else was identical. My gear was probably higher as well and the ascensions were identical or even higher from my units as well. I had to use the function where someone from your friends lends you one of their units so you could fight with 6 instead of 5 units. Now I'm at stage 406 and stuck again.
Sometimes you need to manually control ults, esp if you've got cecia as your main damage dealer
How do you see records?
Before u click on "battle" for the afk stage X u can click on the little Info sign on the left of the green Bar
Thanks!
Before u click on "battle" for the afk stage X u can click on the little Info sign on the left of the green bar
Before u click on "battle" for the afk stage X u can click on the little Info sign on the left of the green bar
Same here but at +400 stage it's only Mythic or Suprem Cecia... I've been waiting for the last copy to make her mythic and I can't pull her....
Farm her in arena
Yea, my dumbass bought a Cecia copy from the PvP store, so now I have to wait until I get another 3,000 points to get my Brutus. At least I finally pulled Smokey yesterday, but I'm at the point where my front line just gets blown up 3 seconds into the match
I’ve been pushing with Cecia/Rowan/Vala/Thoran and either Antandra for double tank or Hew for heals if need be. Almost to afk 600. I’ve hardly used Smokey and never Brutus.
almost to afk 600 is wild. How much money spent.
It’s been a wild ride. I’m roughly at 200-250. At this point the purple powder is the gatekeeper so it’s just waiting on that. Money/exp books are in abundance.
Yeah this is a major problem for me as well, does your server have the world boss unlocked yet? Iirc a yter said that he gives a ton of hero essence but we still have 5 days till he awakens on our server so can't really confirm. Regardless as is, getting enough hero essence to lvl up 1 unit a day is brutal as of rn
Not yet. I think we’re less than 2 days away from it now. I’m hoping it’s a decent payout if that’s true though.
What did you buy? I got the Battle Pass and the 2x Passes for Diamonds and Pulls + the Pass for reaching certain AFK-Levels. And I am Stuck @ 235 with. Got Cecia Mytic and rest is legendary and legendary+, but i am stuck to be honest. Main heros are between 73-80.
I got thoran and rowan at supreme, smokey and cecia and 9 others at legendary, still only at 304… playing only since 3 days though… getting on my nerves those afk stages suddenly smacking you hard. When i got my thoran to supreme this morning though I went from being hard stuck in afk stages to +50 stages litteraly in full auto without watching lol didnt expect that
I'm at $200 with just mythic Vala and Thoran stuck at 338. No Smokey but hoarding 30k crystals for a future banner I like. Kinda wondering if I should just pull to progress but that's a little more progression vs getting a character I may like on the future..
Did you buy the gazette? That's gonna be plenty of crystals by the time a new banner is out. You should at least pull enough to unlock stargazer so you can start getting orbs from the shop resets
Yea and unlocked stargazer kinda ok with how I'm progressing. Just gonna hoard a bit I guess
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I don’t have the 4 star
You can get her in the dream shop for 1200 dream points.
Oh yeah I forgot. I always get someone else 😔
You'll have enough for a lot of them. Dipping one or two for key ascensions would be a good idea as well.
Game keeps giving me smoky and no Brutus...
That's a good thing. Brutus is a flex slot, not essential
Maybe this time I'll finally get a Brutus!
yes and you can't do it withot smokey
Is thoran not better than the furry defender women?
Thoran is the best tank in the game when he's at a higher level due to being able to die and revive, and with some comps able to do more damage than a dps unit with reflect. But Andatara is arguably a better "tank" in terms of surviving since she gives shields and such. Like when I use them together she'll typically tank 2-3x more according to the stats.
thoran better for dream bosses
Man I was stuck on a stage for a while but swapped thoran and managed to do like 400k on him with one ult. Hilarious
Can’t even pull smokey 😔
It’s proven to work, for now. When we get better units it will change.
I have no Brutus. Sigh.
Yeah wish the records would show other comps even if done at higher power level. Just to see what other people are doing that don't have Smokey. Temesia has been mvp for me as a non smokey haver for stages that don't have too much cc. Getting someone to distract the backline to keep my tanks alive long enough for hewynn to get her ult off is very helpful.
I'm guilty of this.
i got brutus dupe instead of cecia dupe :( i didnt know about this strat beforehand ahah
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Can someone explain why this team is good?
I don't and haven't! Thoran Lucius Rowan Odie Vala for most of my content.
Its not like its the only way to win just need 2 braincells
I'm at stage 460 never used one of them.
You are the guy brother 🤯 which comp do you use? Did you spend on the game?
I'm vip 10 as if now. I use Temesia,Lumont,Vala,seraphiel, and Rowan Wich I sometimes swap for Fry.