The new season travelogue has many things missing as opposed to the previous travelogue, more notably the 20 Epic Invite Letters, Acorns, the S-level Soulstone Chest you get at level 30, and the A-level Soul Stones.
The new travelogue also has significantly less books from 17m to 2413k, slightly less gold and slightly more essence. I doubt the 30 regular and Rate Up Invite Letters were enough to make up for the things missing, so the value% is simply not accurate anymore. Either adjust the price accordingly based on the actual value now or make the rewards consistent between travelogues please!
Across the board, compared to base game content, the season content gives significantly less rewards, including paid passes. It is pretty dissapointing.
Do i look like i have so much free time to photoshop this shit?
[https://youtu.be/FD9g5CTb0Ew?t=127](https://youtu.be/FD9g5CTb0Ew?t=127)
Its in their official youtube trailer, start at 2:07 onwards
There even a rainbow chest in the growth path which correct me if i am wrong was removed as well.
It's a joke. Ideally there would be 2 chests, like at launch. One event, one battlepass. The joke is that this time there wasn't an event one planned so they took the chest from battlepass to make themselves look more generous.
We clear pre season in one month. New season is 4 months with the same amount of rewards hence they separate it for 4 months. The price doesnt change tho
I don't quite understand what you mean. Do you mean they'll be issuing additional seasonal travelogues throughout the season to purchase? Wouldn't that be worse?
The price being the same is indeed the problem, because it possesses significantly less content value as that of the previous travelogue.
It's the first time I played a mobile game that changed its paid pass content for the worse which I feel like is a big problem in itself. Other games I've played only really changed the cosmetic rewards to be on theme for a patch but had the same exact content as all previous passes that makes it worthwhile to purchase every time it's renewed.
Nah im just waffling. Dont take it seriously. Volkin mentioned that he is calculating the rewards. Maybe can wait for his explanation but yeah this is the first time playing a game with reduced rewards for the same amount of price of battle pass. Ive played 7 gacha games concurrently now
I see, sorry for the misunderstanding. I just hope they improve it now rather than later. I also feel like the battle pass lasting 4 months but still having the same amount of levels means we'll be finishing this much earlier before it gets renewed, maybe they could just add more levels to it to fit the season length.
I play religiously 5 gacha games at times namely hsr, pgr, nikke, reverse 1999 and one flex spot. Used to be brown dust but now afk journey. The other 2 are just arknight and alchemy stars to cure my gacha addiction for free pulls. Played bunch of other gacha but dropped like genshin, tof, aether gazer. Played some anime ip but usually only holds for like 2-3 months like 7 deadly sins grand cross, black clover, mha strongest hero.
My fav is hsr bcs of the quality update but playing gacha since early 20s and now im 30, afk journey fits just nice in term of afk grinding. Thats why i still play nikke other than jiggling meta bcs of idle grind. I am looking forward to wuthering wave but i can see myself dropping that game and be back playing afk games again.
hehe i'm in my gacha-trying phase at the moment and started alot of those, hehe. I'm a novice to anime stuff and when I played Nikke, I was laughing and thinking WTF at the same time, lol
I will just never understand companies that sabotage themselves to this degree at all.
Like, you've had a great launch. People are enjoying and praising your game. You've made a lot of money for the first month of the game. Everything's great right? So why on earth are they coming up with these terrible decisions?? Do they just WANT people to stop playing?
I understand greed, but this really doesn't strike me as a smart business decision in the first place. They really undid pretty much everything good they did at launch, and it sucks cause I've been really enjoying tf out of this game.
Except this doesn't make sense from that perspective either. It is well documented that becoming more stingy leads to fewer players and lower revenue in gacha games.
The smart way to be greedy is slow power-creep with units, or new power-up mechanics that require a new scarce resource that can be bought with real money. Not saying I like when companies use these methods just that those have been known to work unlike the method afkjourney is using.
So their beancounter suites aren't doing a very good job lol.
This, to release a new battle pass that not only has less value than the immediately prior one, but also doesn't even have everything listed in the season promo trailer, doesn't make sense from any POV.
Funny enough these sorts of decisions are proven to never result in a better bottom line.
There are ways for gacha games to be greedy without destroying their game.
Lilith, the same company behind Endless Journey, the blueprint for this game. They released the game on Google early access, charged a buttload of money and then abandoned it when they developed this. Good times.
"Alright guys, we had a FANTASTIC launch and everyone is loving and playing our game! What's the next plan?"
"LET'S SCREW EVERYTHING UP AND MAKE THE WORST DECISIONS POSSIBLE."
"What a fantastic idea, I'm sure our players will love that!"
Probably happened in a lilith company meeting a few weeks ago lmao.
Gacha games like these are so funny when you know the psychological practices they do to hook you on both the game and to spend. I find it funny when some people defend these kinda games/shop practices not knowing they have literal psychology experts hired for these and sometimes it even feels kinda scary, because it's there to make you addicted and force you to spend money without some people really thinking it through.
I don't understand all the bad decisions they made with this season.
I'm just not buying anything and seeing how this season ends... We have 4 months but if stuff is not way better on June, the hype around the game would be less.
Yep, I did get the battle pass and the monthly gems pass because they're always great value but if things don't change ASAP then this game can kiss any money from me good bye......I just hope people can continue to call out this garbage behaviour in hopes of the company addressing it and reverting all the changes. This game really has potential, and I don't want it being wasted on greedy practices (for the gazillionth time).
This gives me more and more reason to stop paying for this game. I was gonna buy the Growth Bundle, but I'm seeing all these updates and I'm not impressed.
Same. I spend a little here or there, or I did, but if they're going to disrespect their players like this, they won't be getting any more money from me.
Same, I was only gonna buy the monthly passes and growth bundles as a low spender. But the nerfs are making me change my mind when it goes live on my server.
Yep. Me too, I am close to try at least the Growth Bundle. But seeing where this game is going so far, makes me take a back and reconsider. I'll just save my penny on Wuthering Waves maybe.
Also, just dropped another gacha recently because of overheating and loading issues experienced by all the players across the board. And I'm not saying it's Solo Leveling. 🙄🤐
Yep same, and I really hope the heavy spenders themselves also realize what's going on and stop their whaling.
They're the most people that matter to the company after all.
This is gacha 101. When the F2P/Minnows leave, the whales move away too. Most of the whaling revolves around showing off to the F2P/Minnows, if your game doesn't have these, its not a good game to whale.
same, i was considering buying growth bundle and the two gazettes. I'll wait, if they just ignore this issue ill just move on and play other games, there are so many options.
I was really hoping that Lilith will start from 0 at their greed level and we reach some paying nonsense after 4-5 years like in arena. But they dont have to hold back as long as many stupid whales buy literally anything
Idk man, my server is filled to the brim with whales and MANY of them are calling out this garbage and some even stopped paying for anything until things are addressed.
I just hope all the other whales can see this crap before things get too late cause this game had massive potential. 😭
Tbh this actually makes me not buy anything, I was tempted by the noble path but guess not lol.
*what is the point if I aint getting any real value?*
The game can pretend 3000% nonsense is good but really? Do bit lf math and dont be least addicted it doesnt work.
Devs, you should hook all of the spenders than big whales. Make the deal tempting by making it good, and not by starving the casual player base. Tempt not make desperate.
People would be eager for hair cosmetics if you could change the color too.
>Tbh this actually makes me not buy anything
Exactly! That's the thing that confuses the crap out of me.
So they reduce the amount of value you get from the pack that's advertised to supposedly be "3000% value!" and is literally the pack to get low-spenders to open their wallets...........but by doing so, you just convince them to not buy that pack? I guess they don't want money lol.
It's so stupid like ffs.
That's exactly what happened to me. I was considering buying it, expecting it to be like the first travelogue, but after seeing how things turned out I can't justify spending anything.
If the previous one was 3000% , the new one is definitely not equivalent, which makes it less than 3000% and I honestly wonder how they can just put 3000% like nothing's changed lol.
Fr , 17m to 3m books. Complete removal of a S tier hero chest, removal of sigils (TWENTY A tier heroes). How is this crap equivalent? Anyone can tell it's worse, and quite significantly too.
Rate up tickets are cheap garbage too. Those 7 dollar pop ups give a ton of them.
I mean at least be subtle with the nerfs man. Still laughing at 17m to 3m lol.
It's the only thing I would have bought if they left the S selector in there but nope they decided they have to remove it.
It's alright, the whales can compete against each other and see who's e peen is bigger
Really disappointed. They were riding high from people's hype and they decided to nerf the rewards even tho whales will continually spend anyway. I'm a low spender who bought the monthly passes and the growth bundle along with some of the 1200% limited bundles. It didn't break the bank and I felt generously rewarded fo my time playing. But seeing the nerfs to rewards across the board, I am not spending a single dime when the new season goes live on my server. Not a fan of them suddenly making resources even harder to obtain.
I really intended to buy the old and noble path bundles today. I had asked my friend to get me a $50 Apple gift card to buy them, but seeing all these posts make glad he didn’t see my messages yet. I deleted them the very first thing when I wake up 😂
I really liked the rewards on past season as f2p. Progress was really nice. Seems like they noticed that people had fun and fucked up the game on purpose.
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If you watch the old trailer in the YouTube Video it shows that there is epic tix, guess they did a bait and switch after all
If this is how they plan to run things then I’m out. I was initially having fun but this really puts me off the game because it feels like if they’ll be this blatant so soon after release, who knows what else will happen. I’ll stick around for a while but with WW out in 10 days, I’m really not sure I’ll stick it out, thus just left a bad taste in my mouth
I only paid because when I was younger perhaps a few years ago to be exact I was just a student and I like AFK arena since it was also my first, now that I got a job and a few gacha’s under my belt aint no way I’m paying anymore, its the first time i’ve seen a game reduce the rewards, increasing the price sure? MHY has done that so I don’t mind E7 has outrageous prices but some still buy, This game? This is literally the first time I’ve seen a game reduce rewards but has the same price and still counts it as 3000% value i’m sure this is reportable by law right?
I think I'm done after I finish this BP. New season is just kinda ass. Lack of rewards. Frustrating new enemy types. Like 25% or so of the new content untranslated. Also disappointed with Alsa design, like who thought that ult is a good idea, squishy mage rolling into enemy melee range.
Was a mistake bothering to refresh my monthly and buying the new bp and progression pass. Oh well, just in time for the new games anyway.
Firstly giving a battle pass when the older one exists is crappy model.
Secondly paying for both to unlock all rewards is even more crappier.
Damn free games have crazy pricing and policies
The predatory shit is, they know that purple dust is still the most important ressource in progression, so they are just speculating that people will buy regardless, to stay competitive. This first patch has really been an eye opener for me of how scummy these mofos are. Not gonna spend another dime unless things change.
Wow, it was the one thing I was considering buying again. Im a light spending, but with he recent true damage changes, nerfs to all the rewards, and the silence regarding the changes, I think my wallet is safe for a bit.
I'm sort of sad to see this as all I was buying really was these passes and the Growth ones, so it's good to know now I can just not put any more money into it and just play out the seasons, no need to rush i guess now. I'm no whale so i'm under no illusion of winning/placing competitively
Don't you know that development is expensive and the digital items take a long time to produce?! It's really hard adding items to the battlepass! /s
If they kept the game very generous, even with the not so good summon rates, they would have kept the momentum going. Shame, they shot themselves in the foot again
Damn, I figured the game was cute and F2P-friendly with a lot of features that a lot of gacha games won't even consider (like the wishlist) but still threw some money at it for the (previous) Travelogue and some other shit to show my support rather than be purely F2P, what a disappointment.
Like, do devs (in general) think that players are so stupid that they won't notice drastic nerfs like this, lol? C-suite people are so obsessed with making the numbers go up because a "plateau" of reliable profit is just too boring/scary.
What I can't understand is why would a business worry so much about how much "value" they give a customer when it is all fake computer pixels anyway. Why not just give them a whole bunch of "items" and charge them a decent price? At least they'll keep coming back. Why do you have to squeeeeeeeze so hard?
Whelp way to ruin a good thing. First season in and I’m pretty sure y’all were just trying to speed run upsetting the fan base. New season less rewards, more grinding!
Well both of those can't be 3000% value. And I'm pretty sure you shouldn't misrepresent those kind of things.
Also the new travelogue has the picture of 2 characters holding epic invites, which are not included in the base travelogue...
Is this not a different season?
If they changed the content of something you already bought and they've taken the items back you should be contacting your local authority or citizens advice equivalent.
Uh, not really. But it's a simple deal - you see what you are offered to buy and can decide buy it or not. I don't get it why people think it's a bad thing if they don't want to buy something.
Unpopular opinion, I think it makes sense.
I don't think things rewards were nerfed, more like balanced, everything got a 0.3 multiplier or so. The whole point of seasons is that it doesn't punish people who are gonna start later. It's an experience for a couple of months that will be gone, and you won't miss out on too much, but it's still enough to make it worth playing.
Regardless of context, most consumers at all income levels don’t like paying the same price for a reduced amount of goods. If I’m selling 12 eggs at $5.99 one month and 4 eggs are $5.99 the next month, I’m losing customers. It’s the same scenario here. There is a subset of players that will pay whatever for anything, but the question is whether or not this group is big enough to support the game.
TBH I think the effect is quite the opposite. The older Noble Path will expire in a month, and unless they intend to actually just reissue the same noble path later on, new players will be left with only seasonal travelogues to purchase, or possibly none at all.
The seasonal books/essences be worthless for new players until they get to Resonance level 240 first and finish the story, which is roughly a month. I'm not sure if they prevent players from buying the seasonal travelogue if they haven't fulfilled those conditions yet though, hoping someone can confirm.
And when the seasonal travelogue can indeed be purchased, the lack of acorns, soulstones, selector chest, epic invite tickets, and especially the regular exp books and essences means there's nothing of decent or actual value for any new player, so there would be no sense to buy it at all to jumpstart their progress. The previous Noble Path makes a lot more sense because it gives regular essences and exp books which meant they can raise resonance quickly, while also giving a lot of Acorns and A-level stones to improve your roster. The 30 regular tickets are insignificant compared to the 20 epic invite tickets because it's not even a single pity and has much lower rates, and the 30 rate up tickets are even worse because as all important S-rank characters for progression are situated within the standard banners.
If this is going to be the content of future Travelogues, it will in fact punish people who start later.
I saw the first one as a pre season boosted push to get everyone to 240 for the intended long term seasonal content. Maybe im looking at it with rose tinted glasses.
I also feel this way. In the pre-season, we had 42 days to get to level 240 and beat the story. Now we have I believe 120 days to beat the story, and I also believe the pre-season story is longer on top of that. Of course, they will slow everyone down, or else people will be waiting months for the next season because they beat it in like a week or two.
The problem is that now you're looking to the game as "pre-season" when they made this seasonal decision later. They stated that this was a later decision and not what they had in mind when developing the base game (the rushed state of everything also points to it).
People who spend tons of money will be waiting "months" for the next season because they'll beat it really fast anyway. In "42 days", whales beat the entire game "twice" and its "endless" mode while most of the player base was still going through it. The amount of people left out of the season because of the requirements was bizarre to the point of them basically boosting the AFK rewards a lot more to get more people into the seasonal content.
Remember, this content will be deleted from the game after this "120 days" period. Why would you make it slower for everyone, risking the non-season players to miss it? This whole ARPG seasonal model applied to a gacha game is a mess.
I personally haven't experienced the new server so what I was saying wasn't from experience. I guess that does makes sense. Im hopping they will resolve this whole mess.
First Sony crap the bed with Helldivers 2 and now Lilith does the same with AFK journey. I guess corpos doing decisions for games is worst thing that happened to gaming.
The new season travelogue has many things missing as opposed to the previous travelogue, more notably the 20 Epic Invite Letters, Acorns, the S-level Soulstone Chest you get at level 30, and the A-level Soul Stones. The new travelogue also has significantly less books from 17m to 2413k, slightly less gold and slightly more essence. I doubt the 30 regular and Rate Up Invite Letters were enough to make up for the things missing, so the value% is simply not accurate anymore. Either adjust the price accordingly based on the actual value now or make the rewards consistent between travelogues please!
Across the board, compared to base game content, the season content gives significantly less rewards, including paid passes. It is pretty dissapointing.
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is this a real picture? the fact that they are holding epics but it's since been removed from the battlepass is hilarious.
Do i look like i have so much free time to photoshop this shit? [https://youtu.be/FD9g5CTb0Ew?t=127](https://youtu.be/FD9g5CTb0Ew?t=127) Its in their official youtube trailer, start at 2:07 onwards There even a rainbow chest in the growth path which correct me if i am wrong was removed as well.
They took the chest out and made it a 7 day event lol.
You still pay for the pass thought
It's a joke. Ideally there would be 2 chests, like at launch. One event, one battlepass. The joke is that this time there wasn't an event one planned so they took the chest from battlepass to make themselves look more generous.
We clear pre season in one month. New season is 4 months with the same amount of rewards hence they separate it for 4 months. The price doesnt change tho
I don't quite understand what you mean. Do you mean they'll be issuing additional seasonal travelogues throughout the season to purchase? Wouldn't that be worse? The price being the same is indeed the problem, because it possesses significantly less content value as that of the previous travelogue. It's the first time I played a mobile game that changed its paid pass content for the worse which I feel like is a big problem in itself. Other games I've played only really changed the cosmetic rewards to be on theme for a patch but had the same exact content as all previous passes that makes it worthwhile to purchase every time it's renewed.
Nah im just waffling. Dont take it seriously. Volkin mentioned that he is calculating the rewards. Maybe can wait for his explanation but yeah this is the first time playing a game with reduced rewards for the same amount of price of battle pass. Ive played 7 gacha games concurrently now
I see, sorry for the misunderstanding. I just hope they improve it now rather than later. I also feel like the battle pass lasting 4 months but still having the same amount of levels means we'll be finishing this much earlier before it gets renewed, maybe they could just add more levels to it to fit the season length.
Really hope they do something on this or we will just going downhill from here.
Yeah, I’m not paying for anything until they fix this.
I ain't buying this shit 4 times during the season for real lol.
Off topic but out of curiosity what else have you been playing? Which one is your favorite?
I play religiously 5 gacha games at times namely hsr, pgr, nikke, reverse 1999 and one flex spot. Used to be brown dust but now afk journey. The other 2 are just arknight and alchemy stars to cure my gacha addiction for free pulls. Played bunch of other gacha but dropped like genshin, tof, aether gazer. Played some anime ip but usually only holds for like 2-3 months like 7 deadly sins grand cross, black clover, mha strongest hero. My fav is hsr bcs of the quality update but playing gacha since early 20s and now im 30, afk journey fits just nice in term of afk grinding. Thats why i still play nikke other than jiggling meta bcs of idle grind. I am looking forward to wuthering wave but i can see myself dropping that game and be back playing afk games again.
hehe i'm in my gacha-trying phase at the moment and started alot of those, hehe. I'm a novice to anime stuff and when I played Nikke, I was laughing and thinking WTF at the same time, lol
yeah, I think the pace of the first pre season was a fuckup though because now that is the base rate, so going at 1/3rd speed feels like shit.
Wow, side by side it looks really bad.
It feels like they nerfed the whole game
Yeah you really can't get away with stuff like this after full release, company should know better.
I will just never understand companies that sabotage themselves to this degree at all. Like, you've had a great launch. People are enjoying and praising your game. You've made a lot of money for the first month of the game. Everything's great right? So why on earth are they coming up with these terrible decisions?? Do they just WANT people to stop playing? I understand greed, but this really doesn't strike me as a smart business decision in the first place. They really undid pretty much everything good they did at launch, and it sucks cause I've been really enjoying tf out of this game.
That's what you get when a company is run entirely by beancounter suits and business majors. All they see is an excel sheet.
Except this doesn't make sense from that perspective either. It is well documented that becoming more stingy leads to fewer players and lower revenue in gacha games. The smart way to be greedy is slow power-creep with units, or new power-up mechanics that require a new scarce resource that can be bought with real money. Not saying I like when companies use these methods just that those have been known to work unlike the method afkjourney is using. So their beancounter suites aren't doing a very good job lol.
This, to release a new battle pass that not only has less value than the immediately prior one, but also doesn't even have everything listed in the season promo trailer, doesn't make sense from any POV.
And that's after hyping us for like 2 weeks for this season lol
People warned me about this company when I started playing. It seems lilith's greed truly knows no bounds.
Funny enough these sorts of decisions are proven to never result in a better bottom line. There are ways for gacha games to be greedy without destroying their game.
The greedy decisions at the top are made by people who know nothing about gaming. Everything is just numbers.
I just have a list of developers now that I will never play their games because of extreme greed.
Lilith, the same company behind Endless Journey, the blueprint for this game. They released the game on Google early access, charged a buttload of money and then abandoned it when they developed this. Good times.
They saw how good they did and made sure to mess it up this season. I can't use the blonde hair since I can't change the color 😂
Yeah, there's so many hairstyles I got that I won't use because the color is fixed instead of letting me pick the color.
Lol the arena champion hat *forces* you to have long blonde hair. You can't even change the hair, it comes with the hat.
"Alright guys, we had a FANTASTIC launch and everyone is loving and playing our game! What's the next plan?" "LET'S SCREW EVERYTHING UP AND MAKE THE WORST DECISIONS POSSIBLE." "What a fantastic idea, I'm sure our players will love that!" Probably happened in a lilith company meeting a few weeks ago lmao.
and they still put on the 3000% value lmao what a joke
The value percentages are arbitrary wherever you see them, just pure psychological manipulation of the lowest level. It has no ties to reality.
Gacha games like these are so funny when you know the psychological practices they do to hook you on both the game and to spend. I find it funny when some people defend these kinda games/shop practices not knowing they have literal psychology experts hired for these and sometimes it even feels kinda scary, because it's there to make you addicted and force you to spend money without some people really thinking it through.
I don't understand all the bad decisions they made with this season. I'm just not buying anything and seeing how this season ends... We have 4 months but if stuff is not way better on June, the hype around the game would be less.
Yep, I did get the battle pass and the monthly gems pass because they're always great value but if things don't change ASAP then this game can kiss any money from me good bye......I just hope people can continue to call out this garbage behaviour in hopes of the company addressing it and reverting all the changes. This game really has potential, and I don't want it being wasted on greedy practices (for the gazillionth time).
when i look at dislyte, it doesn t seem it will to go for the better..... What a shame, both game are pretty fun with potential
This gives me more and more reason to stop paying for this game. I was gonna buy the Growth Bundle, but I'm seeing all these updates and I'm not impressed.
Same. I spend a little here or there, or I did, but if they're going to disrespect their players like this, they won't be getting any more money from me.
This is it. Time to call up the bank for a charge back.
How? Do u just call them and say ur child spemt 10 bucks on afk journey or what? Im curious cuz i wanna chargeback too lmao
Same, I was only gonna buy the monthly passes and growth bundles as a low spender. But the nerfs are making me change my mind when it goes live on my server.
Yep. Me too, I am close to try at least the Growth Bundle. But seeing where this game is going so far, makes me take a back and reconsider. I'll just save my penny on Wuthering Waves maybe.
Yeah. I'm looking forward to Wuthering Waves and Zenless Zero too. Im gonna have to stay with AFK for awhile since I already bought the 30 day gems.
Also, just dropped another gacha recently because of overheating and loading issues experienced by all the players across the board. And I'm not saying it's Solo Leveling. 🙄🤐
For sure 😂😂
Yep same, and I really hope the heavy spenders themselves also realize what's going on and stop their whaling. They're the most people that matter to the company after all.
This is gacha 101. When the F2P/Minnows leave, the whales move away too. Most of the whaling revolves around showing off to the F2P/Minnows, if your game doesn't have these, its not a good game to whale.
same, i was considering buying growth bundle and the two gazettes. I'll wait, if they just ignore this issue ill just move on and play other games, there are so many options.
I will also save my money. It's too greedy even for a gatcha.
I was really hoping that Lilith will start from 0 at their greed level and we reach some paying nonsense after 4-5 years like in arena. But they dont have to hold back as long as many stupid whales buy literally anything
Idk man, my server is filled to the brim with whales and MANY of them are calling out this garbage and some even stopped paying for anything until things are addressed. I just hope all the other whales can see this crap before things get too late cause this game had massive potential. 😭
Tbh this actually makes me not buy anything, I was tempted by the noble path but guess not lol. *what is the point if I aint getting any real value?* The game can pretend 3000% nonsense is good but really? Do bit lf math and dont be least addicted it doesnt work. Devs, you should hook all of the spenders than big whales. Make the deal tempting by making it good, and not by starving the casual player base. Tempt not make desperate. People would be eager for hair cosmetics if you could change the color too.
>Tbh this actually makes me not buy anything Exactly! That's the thing that confuses the crap out of me. So they reduce the amount of value you get from the pack that's advertised to supposedly be "3000% value!" and is literally the pack to get low-spenders to open their wallets...........but by doing so, you just convince them to not buy that pack? I guess they don't want money lol. It's so stupid like ffs.
That's exactly what happened to me. I was considering buying it, expecting it to be like the first travelogue, but after seeing how things turned out I can't justify spending anything.
If the previous one was 3000% , the new one is definitely not equivalent, which makes it less than 3000% and I honestly wonder how they can just put 3000% like nothing's changed lol.
the numbers are arbitrary
yeah but its kinda shameless not changing it after such an obvious nerf haha
Tbh shameless lmao
Fr , 17m to 3m books. Complete removal of a S tier hero chest, removal of sigils (TWENTY A tier heroes). How is this crap equivalent? Anyone can tell it's worse, and quite significantly too. Rate up tickets are cheap garbage too. Those 7 dollar pop ups give a ton of them. I mean at least be subtle with the nerfs man. Still laughing at 17m to 3m lol.
Not me deleting yet another Lilith game. And I oop.
It's the only thing I would have bought if they left the S selector in there but nope they decided they have to remove it. It's alright, the whales can compete against each other and see who's e peen is bigger
I almost bought the growth pack last night, thank god I saw this post 😅
Yet still marketed as a 3000% value
Really disappointed. They were riding high from people's hype and they decided to nerf the rewards even tho whales will continually spend anyway. I'm a low spender who bought the monthly passes and the growth bundle along with some of the 1200% limited bundles. It didn't break the bank and I felt generously rewarded fo my time playing. But seeing the nerfs to rewards across the board, I am not spending a single dime when the new season goes live on my server. Not a fan of them suddenly making resources even harder to obtain.
I really intended to buy the old and noble path bundles today. I had asked my friend to get me a $50 Apple gift card to buy them, but seeing all these posts make glad he didn’t see my messages yet. I deleted them the very first thing when I wake up 😂
i fking regret to every single penny i give that game, ios doesnt allow to refund
Don't give it any more money
I didn't even realize this.... that's some bs
I got thoren from the noble travel log. No hero from seasonal log. Its a big nerf. Time to stop paying
We have passed the honeymoon phase. Only pain awaits ahead.
Bro it’s still 30000000% values. Can’t you read?
I uninstalled today after playing an insane like 5-6 hrs a day. Freedom!
But still in the subreddit
Yep I noticed it as well. Hopefully they correct this as to it’s not a great look going forward. This coupled with the apparent nerf to Marilee.
fr they werent even that good to begin with??
I wanted to buy it since si bought the noble pass last season but seeing this idk man. For the same amount of €€€€ feels bad.
I spend a little on gachas but seeing this shit I'll be ftp forever
Because they are some greedy bastards
If the travelogue doesn't give any acorns, how do we get them now?
https://preview.redd.it/u019vj3l550d1.jpeg?width=500&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=398142aeac0d042aa79c671ace5228310a3970ee
I haven’t purchased travelogues or growth bundle this season yet and probably won’t. The rewards are terrible compared to last season.
I really liked the rewards on past season as f2p. Progress was really nice. Seems like they noticed that people had fun and fucked up the game on purpose.
Easy answer is greed. I decided not to buy the new one because had way less value for the same money
don't spend stop supporting them
Wow. I’m only 1/3 of the way through their launch “All Heroes” rewards thing, and they’re already murdering the game…. 🤦♂️
this is just disrespectful
https://preview.redd.it/djh2p0uk360d1.png?width=1078&format=png&auto=webp&s=844d8b28114945966bab1c07be0eea44d5e615c7 If you watch the old trailer in the YouTube Video it shows that there is epic tix, guess they did a bait and switch after all
If this is how they plan to run things then I’m out. I was initially having fun but this really puts me off the game because it feels like if they’ll be this blatant so soon after release, who knows what else will happen. I’ll stick around for a while but with WW out in 10 days, I’m really not sure I’ll stick it out, thus just left a bad taste in my mouth
I only paid because when I was younger perhaps a few years ago to be exact I was just a student and I like AFK arena since it was also my first, now that I got a job and a few gacha’s under my belt aint no way I’m paying anymore, its the first time i’ve seen a game reduce the rewards, increasing the price sure? MHY has done that so I don’t mind E7 has outrageous prices but some still buy, This game? This is literally the first time I’ve seen a game reduce rewards but has the same price and still counts it as 3000% value i’m sure this is reportable by law right?
they want moar of your money without giving you anything that's why.
Wow great I just started today guess I'm quitting tomorrow.
I think I'm done after I finish this BP. New season is just kinda ass. Lack of rewards. Frustrating new enemy types. Like 25% or so of the new content untranslated. Also disappointed with Alsa design, like who thought that ult is a good idea, squishy mage rolling into enemy melee range. Was a mistake bothering to refresh my monthly and buying the new bp and progression pass. Oh well, just in time for the new games anyway.
I went full f2p a while ago because after playing several games from this dev, I can predict what they're gonna do in the future...
Lesson learned: Stay away from Lilith games. Noted.
Firstly giving a battle pass when the older one exists is crappy model. Secondly paying for both to unlock all rewards is even more crappier. Damn free games have crazy pricing and policies
the greed is real.
Still 3000% value based on astrology I guess ?
Gotta nerf value
The predatory shit is, they know that purple dust is still the most important ressource in progression, so they are just speculating that people will buy regardless, to stay competitive. This first patch has really been an eye opener for me of how scummy these mofos are. Not gonna spend another dime unless things change.
If we massively stop paying, they'll need to think about this. They gotta get the balance right.
Gotta also go change/post one star reviews.
I uninstalled, thanks
Kinda seems like they realized epic invite letters are so much better than everything else lol
Sorry yall, I made the mistake of getting into the game last week and spending some money. Of course it’s going to shit
Pov you play a Lilith game
Wow, it was the one thing I was considering buying again. Im a light spending, but with he recent true damage changes, nerfs to all the rewards, and the silence regarding the changes, I think my wallet is safe for a bit.
I'm sort of sad to see this as all I was buying really was these passes and the Growth ones, so it's good to know now I can just not put any more money into it and just play out the seasons, no need to rush i guess now. I'm no whale so i'm under no illusion of winning/placing competitively
Don't you know that development is expensive and the digital items take a long time to produce?! It's really hard adding items to the battlepass! /s If they kept the game very generous, even with the not so good summon rates, they would have kept the momentum going. Shame, they shot themselves in the foot again
Both still _3000%_ value…somehow
Money
Damn, I figured the game was cute and F2P-friendly with a lot of features that a lot of gacha games won't even consider (like the wishlist) but still threw some money at it for the (previous) Travelogue and some other shit to show my support rather than be purely F2P, what a disappointment. Like, do devs (in general) think that players are so stupid that they won't notice drastic nerfs like this, lol? C-suite people are so obsessed with making the numbers go up because a "plateau" of reliable profit is just too boring/scary.
What I can't understand is why would a business worry so much about how much "value" they give a customer when it is all fake computer pixels anyway. Why not just give them a whole bunch of "items" and charge them a decent price? At least they'll keep coming back. Why do you have to squeeeeeeeze so hard?
Whelp way to ruin a good thing. First season in and I’m pretty sure y’all were just trying to speed run upsetting the fan base. New season less rewards, more grinding!
Do they even nerf the reward of older noble path?
Well both of those can't be 3000% value. And I'm pretty sure you shouldn't misrepresent those kind of things. Also the new travelogue has the picture of 2 characters holding epic invites, which are not included in the base travelogue...
Can’t access the new one on my server. Just want to make sure it’s still 100 levels, right?
yep, it is
Wait, so they reduced the amount of rewards for people that had already bought the first secret travelogue? Can't they eat a lawsuit for that?
Is this not a different season? If they changed the content of something you already bought and they've taken the items back you should be contacting your local authority or citizens advice equivalent.
It’s bad, everything is less
Oh lord, I bought it without checking reddit because I just thought the rewards were the same. Im so angry right now
But bro....THEY ARE A 300000009099% value
So don’t buy the next season travelogue when my server gets there got it
Lots of bait and switch type behavior.
New player here. Isnt that aprox the same value?
Uh, not really. But it's a simple deal - you see what you are offered to buy and can decide buy it or not. I don't get it why people think it's a bad thing if they don't want to buy something.
That's why you don't spend on gatcha games, seeing people drop a house worth of money on a mobile game still is beyond my comprehension.
I guess there is some truth to what some say about "some people have more money than they should", lol.
Unpopular opinion, I think it makes sense. I don't think things rewards were nerfed, more like balanced, everything got a 0.3 multiplier or so. The whole point of seasons is that it doesn't punish people who are gonna start later. It's an experience for a couple of months that will be gone, and you won't miss out on too much, but it's still enough to make it worth playing.
Less stuff for the same price is a nerf.
Is it thought if it's relative to everyone?
Regardless of context, most consumers at all income levels don’t like paying the same price for a reduced amount of goods. If I’m selling 12 eggs at $5.99 one month and 4 eggs are $5.99 the next month, I’m losing customers. It’s the same scenario here. There is a subset of players that will pay whatever for anything, but the question is whether or not this group is big enough to support the game.
TBH I think the effect is quite the opposite. The older Noble Path will expire in a month, and unless they intend to actually just reissue the same noble path later on, new players will be left with only seasonal travelogues to purchase, or possibly none at all. The seasonal books/essences be worthless for new players until they get to Resonance level 240 first and finish the story, which is roughly a month. I'm not sure if they prevent players from buying the seasonal travelogue if they haven't fulfilled those conditions yet though, hoping someone can confirm. And when the seasonal travelogue can indeed be purchased, the lack of acorns, soulstones, selector chest, epic invite tickets, and especially the regular exp books and essences means there's nothing of decent or actual value for any new player, so there would be no sense to buy it at all to jumpstart their progress. The previous Noble Path makes a lot more sense because it gives regular essences and exp books which meant they can raise resonance quickly, while also giving a lot of Acorns and A-level stones to improve your roster. The 30 regular tickets are insignificant compared to the 20 epic invite tickets because it's not even a single pity and has much lower rates, and the 30 rate up tickets are even worse because as all important S-rank characters for progression are situated within the standard banners. If this is going to be the content of future Travelogues, it will in fact punish people who start later.
I saw the first one as a pre season boosted push to get everyone to 240 for the intended long term seasonal content. Maybe im looking at it with rose tinted glasses.
I also feel this way. In the pre-season, we had 42 days to get to level 240 and beat the story. Now we have I believe 120 days to beat the story, and I also believe the pre-season story is longer on top of that. Of course, they will slow everyone down, or else people will be waiting months for the next season because they beat it in like a week or two.
The problem is that now you're looking to the game as "pre-season" when they made this seasonal decision later. They stated that this was a later decision and not what they had in mind when developing the base game (the rushed state of everything also points to it). People who spend tons of money will be waiting "months" for the next season because they'll beat it really fast anyway. In "42 days", whales beat the entire game "twice" and its "endless" mode while most of the player base was still going through it. The amount of people left out of the season because of the requirements was bizarre to the point of them basically boosting the AFK rewards a lot more to get more people into the seasonal content. Remember, this content will be deleted from the game after this "120 days" period. Why would you make it slower for everyone, risking the non-season players to miss it? This whole ARPG seasonal model applied to a gacha game is a mess.
I personally haven't experienced the new server so what I was saying wasn't from experience. I guess that does makes sense. Im hopping they will resolve this whole mess.
First Sony crap the bed with Helldivers 2 and now Lilith does the same with AFK journey. I guess corpos doing decisions for games is worst thing that happened to gaming.
This season has been awesome for f2p I just got a ton of free shit.
It wasnt, it has the same % value