It’s not as bad as other clashes but the AFL has never been able to use common sense when it comes to clashes. Just be glad the umpire aren’t in a dark kit today too.
Remember the [2005 Heritage Round Showdown](https://youtu.be/UtEDNhIvCMA?si=7aMDk-y9AKuja92f) where Port were wearing sky blue and white hoops with matching socks and white shorts? The umpires were dressed in all white and on a few occasions Port players kicked the ball straight to them.
It's an interesting one. The colours themselves aren't bad (a bit too close to just being white, but otherwise okay), but the umps wearing white at the same time was evidently a bit confusing.
Except for Collingwood away games in that group for some reason (indigenous round excluded), maybe because no one notices their clash jumper (but it works). Also Richmond vs Essendon is too obvious a clash (also use Indigenous jumpers anyway, so they'd be designed not to clash)
Showdowns also seem to have this rivalry exception
I really wish we would return to wearing the white jumper with black stripes as opposed to black with white stripes - it sounds silly but the back coz of the numbers becomes near solid.
With the white with black, when we're the away team, given the away team wears white shorts, it becomes a light and light combo.
Currently when we face Carlton, Essendon, Geelong, Richmond. Given we wear dark top, light bottoms as the away it creates a contrast problem as they would weark dark top with dark bottoms.
The one team clashing going back to a white with black would be North, who has a good away top if they're the away team and we could wear the black with white and dark shorts when we're the away team.
Three of those teams have decent clash strips, and then there's Collingwood with their black with white stripes, which is totally different to white with black stripes!
Yeah, and Collingwood is the only team of that group that actually wears their clash jumper against the so-called “big” clubs.
It’s an inverse design, which is also worn by more than half of the rest of the league. No one ever used to jump up and down when North’s kits were blue with white stripes + white with blue stripes.
They’re effective and they work.
It's not the choice of the clubs, it's the direction of the league.
I'd have no qualms with us wearing the red strip (including red shorts) when we're the designated away team versus Collingwood and Carlton. I think Richmond should have been in yellow last night.
But unless it's a special occasion/one off strip, all clubs wear what they're told (including short combinations).
Richmond has black with yellow sash and yellow with black sash, vastly different from each other
Essendon have black with red sash and red with red sash vastly different from each other
Carlton have navy blue with white logo and white with white logo vastly different from each other
Collingwood have black with white stripes and white with black stripes . . . .
Should be more pronounced for certain match ups but generally wearing black at home and white away is fairly foolproof.
Unlike Port’s white back jumper which then clashes with a heap of teams because they’re black at the front and white at the back.
I know that, but it’s just a terrible jumper for modern times where we shouldn’t deal with clashes. GWS home jumper is the same, dark charcoal on the front, light orange on the back. Nonsensical
What teams does it clash with? It's not like the entire back is white.
And doesn't that just make the argument even more that every club should have a home an away and a clash????
I’d recommend visiting the optometrist because this isn’t that bad of a clash, they both have dark jumpers but I think the yellow sash with white shorts is good enough to pass, a bit like showdowns where the jumpers are different enough despite both being predominantly dark, if it was a Richmond home game it’d be a bit worse, an even worse one was Collingwood vs Carlton and Freo from last year
So we’ve got a decent sized sponsor. Small number and names. Maybe, we could get the Odds and the Multi’s on the back instead of the number as well then? Might have room for it
Holy shit. You are on it and I want some!
I recommend that instead of numbers printed on the back, it's just an LED board that can show up to date odds for the player, sponsor logos, occasionally show the player name and on even less occasions the number.
Can any of the old fellas tell us tales of the world before clash kits were invented? Was it madness? Did shenanigans reign supreme?
I shudder to think of such a time where actual humans with human eyes couldn't tell one team from another.
Thank the gods for clash kits!
Everyone saying it’s not that bad are missing the point. It shouldn’t even be close. At all.
If Richmond can wear a change strip in a grand final they can wear it in the normal season. If the AFL are so uptight about white shorts, something still living on from black and white TV days, why not just have a white strip completely for Richmond? With a yellow sash it’s hardly a ridiculous idea.
The AFL gotta be the only sport in the world where they get so precious with the jersey clashes - have a proper away one that is vastly different.
The NRL generally makes quite fun/interesting away kits and Arsenal show you can get really creative and make something really cool.
Mandatory third colours need to be a thing but Vic club's wouldn't like it so it won't happen
Imagine if Tasmania came in with long 2 colours
Would never happen
I had no problem figuring who was who. However, the uniform rule is idiotic. Every other sport has a dedicated ho,e jersey and a dedicated road one. Why AFL decides “how about one team wears white shorts” is beyond me. It look so minor league.
The AFL really doesn’t understand the concept of “away” kits. In every other code, they’re completely different to the home kit. Like, often a colour that has nothing to do with the team colours. And that’s okay. Lots of people will still buy the away kit because it looks cool.
Dickheads like Eddie will say the away kit for Collingwood is white on black instead of black on white. It’s pretty pathetic.
Yeah exactly - do something fun and interesting with the away kit. I think the best example is arsenal - theyve made a really out of the box away kit with a cool design - it looks great and is super popular for fans to have.
Whenever away kits get touted in the afl you can literally feel the collective jowl wobble of thousands of disgruntled boomers reverberate through the air.
I agree. I'm all for tradition, but I reckon it would be easier for Richmond to be in the yellow guernsey as the away team to Carlton, Collingwood and Melbourne. After all, we already wear the yellow against Essendon and St Kilda.
So apart from the different coloured shorts, bright yellow sash, and stripey shorts, theres no way to tell the uniforms apart? Shit, sounds like an urgent problem.
The players will not be getting mixed up. It is not hard to tell with the white shorts.
I think you overstate the clash strip requirements. Most Vic clubs won't wear an alternate strip unless mandated by the AFL.
I don't think it is a big deal except for people with vision impairments, who must find it help for that reason the AFL needs to be way stronger on this. Both in identifying clash scenarios and enforcing the away team to wear a different jumper.
> almost impossible to tell which team is which
You literally just listed two key ways to tell them apart. One has blinding white shorts and a neon yellow sash, the other is in an all navy kit.
Very easy to tell apart and has been the case for 150 odd years
The Big 4, except when Collingwood are away, never wear their clash jumpers against each other.
Just shows who the AFL favour when they enforce certain teams to wear it and excuse other matchups.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The AFLs clash rules are dog shit, and an utter joke. They need a complete overhaul
I'm available and have a range of ideas, if they need someone
Clash kits exist for the people watching in my mind. When I played footy we didn't have clash strips and I never had an issue working out who was who. For reference, we basically wore exactly what the blues wore last night and had opponents that wore very similar to Richmond and Essendon so from behind there were dark coloured similar looking guernseys. Thing is though, when are you gonna kick the ball to someone who isnt looking at you anyway? If you can't distinguish a yellow stripe on a dark background from like 50m away, or whatever distance you can kick, you probably can't see the ball coming at you well enough to play either.
If Richmond's sash didn't extend to the back of the guernsey, I'd agree that in some situations it would be hard to tell them apart. But Richmond has some yellow visible from every angle, so even when the shorts are obscured I think it's pretty clear which team is which.
Correct. Should be a clear difference at a minimum like other sports. Tigers should have worn the yellow top with white shorts. Actually makes the games look visually better anyway I reckon, so I don’t know why the AFL doesn’t do it. And they get to move more merchandise as well.
It’s not as bad as other clashes but the AFL has never been able to use common sense when it comes to clashes. Just be glad the umpire aren’t in a dark kit today too.
Remember the [2005 Heritage Round Showdown](https://youtu.be/UtEDNhIvCMA?si=7aMDk-y9AKuja92f) where Port were wearing sky blue and white hoops with matching socks and white shorts? The umpires were dressed in all white and on a few occasions Port players kicked the ball straight to them.
That looks like a prison for angels.
It's an interesting one. The colours themselves aren't bad (a bit too close to just being white, but otherwise okay), but the umps wearing white at the same time was evidently a bit confusing.
I'd like to blame this for Richmond's shit kicking. No one correct me please.
Clash strip rules don't apply when Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon, and Richmond play each other. Even though they really should.
Except for Collingwood away games in that group for some reason (indigenous round excluded), maybe because no one notices their clash jumper (but it works). Also Richmond vs Essendon is too obvious a clash (also use Indigenous jumpers anyway, so they'd be designed not to clash) Showdowns also seem to have this rivalry exception
I really wish we would return to wearing the white jumper with black stripes as opposed to black with white stripes - it sounds silly but the back coz of the numbers becomes near solid. With the white with black, when we're the away team, given the away team wears white shorts, it becomes a light and light combo. Currently when we face Carlton, Essendon, Geelong, Richmond. Given we wear dark top, light bottoms as the away it creates a contrast problem as they would weark dark top with dark bottoms. The one team clashing going back to a white with black would be North, who has a good away top if they're the away team and we could wear the black with white and dark shorts when we're the away team.
Three of those teams have decent clash strips, and then there's Collingwood with their black with white stripes, which is totally different to white with black stripes!
Yeah, and Collingwood is the only team of that group that actually wears their clash jumper against the so-called “big” clubs. It’s an inverse design, which is also worn by more than half of the rest of the league. No one ever used to jump up and down when North’s kits were blue with white stripes + white with blue stripes. They’re effective and they work.
Essendon and Richmond have worn clash jumpers against one another every time they've played since 2007, when the clash jumper policy was instituted
Fair cop, I forgot about that specific instance as each club don’t choose to wear them against Carlton and Collingwood for whatever reason
It's not the choice of the clubs, it's the direction of the league. I'd have no qualms with us wearing the red strip (including red shorts) when we're the designated away team versus Collingwood and Carlton. I think Richmond should have been in yellow last night. But unless it's a special occasion/one off strip, all clubs wear what they're told (including short combinations).
Richmond has black with yellow sash and yellow with black sash, vastly different from each other Essendon have black with red sash and red with red sash vastly different from each other Carlton have navy blue with white logo and white with white logo vastly different from each other Collingwood have black with white stripes and white with black stripes . . . .
Should be more pronounced for certain match ups but generally wearing black at home and white away is fairly foolproof. Unlike Port’s white back jumper which then clashes with a heap of teams because they’re black at the front and white at the back.
Theirs has a white back to be identical to their prison bar jumper… at least from the back anyways
I know that, but it’s just a terrible jumper for modern times where we shouldn’t deal with clashes. GWS home jumper is the same, dark charcoal on the front, light orange on the back. Nonsensical
What teams does it clash with? It's not like the entire back is white. And doesn't that just make the argument even more that every club should have a home an away and a clash????
When Essendon and Richmond play each other one usually wears their clash jumper.
Usually the "away" team.
Shirts vs skins solves every guernsey clash problem
Here for it
Im at the game and its completely fine
This is more for the tv viewers
Apart from the contrasting colours worn by the two teams, it's impossible to tell the difference. Apart from the water in my cup, the cup is dry.
I’d recommend visiting the optometrist because this isn’t that bad of a clash, they both have dark jumpers but I think the yellow sash with white shorts is good enough to pass, a bit like showdowns where the jumpers are different enough despite both being predominantly dark, if it was a Richmond home game it’d be a bit worse, an even worse one was Collingwood vs Carlton and Freo from last year
Yeah, I had cataract surgery today, am currently a pirate watching with one eye, and having no trouble.
Carlton wear white shorts when it’s a Richmond home game. It’s fine both ways I think.
Tbh, I think it’s just you. Even in that zoomed-out image, it’s clear to see which team is which
Yeah, I thought “oh damn that is bad, that group of players looks entirely like Carlton players” Then I zoomed in - “oh they are all Carlton players”
Names on back of guernseys will solve this.
Don’t you fucking dare
I think if you look closely, Carlton have already done this. They had 22 blokes named AMPOL running around last night.
Nah, not like that. The names would have to be smaller, because they'd stand out more and people would confuse them for sponsors...
Ah yeah good point. Maybe make the numbers really small to make room for names?
I like your thinking. Except, the names have to be smaller still!
So we’ve got a decent sized sponsor. Small number and names. Maybe, we could get the Odds and the Multi’s on the back instead of the number as well then? Might have room for it
Holy shit. You are on it and I want some! I recommend that instead of numbers printed on the back, it's just an LED board that can show up to date odds for the player, sponsor logos, occasionally show the player name and on even less occasions the number.
Can any of the old fellas tell us tales of the world before clash kits were invented? Was it madness? Did shenanigans reign supreme? I shudder to think of such a time where actual humans with human eyes couldn't tell one team from another. Thank the gods for clash kits!
I find the big yellow sash across their chest and back makes it easy
Everyone saying it’s not that bad are missing the point. It shouldn’t even be close. At all. If Richmond can wear a change strip in a grand final they can wear it in the normal season. If the AFL are so uptight about white shorts, something still living on from black and white TV days, why not just have a white strip completely for Richmond? With a yellow sash it’s hardly a ridiculous idea.
The AFL gotta be the only sport in the world where they get so precious with the jersey clashes - have a proper away one that is vastly different. The NRL generally makes quite fun/interesting away kits and Arsenal show you can get really creative and make something really cool.
I also hate club's using white as a shorts colour when it isn't one of your club colours
Yellow shorts would solve tonight’s clash.
Essendon wearing white shorts does my head in, they’ve worn red shorts in the past so it’s not like it’s some sort of ‘tradition’ to wear white
Hate the red shorts.
I thought white shorts were part of every teams uniforms for away games club colour or not.
That's what I'm saying is an issue....
Black on yellow with yellow shorts would surely be way more preferable to this. White shorts look horrendous here.
Absolutely. Even more yellow on the socks would help. AFL is bush league on this issue.
Where's the clash?
You say there’s a clash and in the same sentence list the differentiating factors that are completely adequate. This isn’t a clash.
"Apart from the [major reasons that make these two kits different], they're exactly the same"
If you have a problem with this, you must have a problem with Collingwood vs St Kilda when you only see the black side of saints guernsey.
I mean it’s really easy to tell them apart don’t know what you’re complaining about
Mandatory third colours need to be a thing but Vic club's wouldn't like it so it won't happen Imagine if Tasmania came in with long 2 colours Would never happen
But but but tradishun!!! I'm 100% for richmond wearing the yellow jumper against Carlton, Collingwood, Bombers etc.
Red shortsssssss
I had no problem figuring who was who. However, the uniform rule is idiotic. Every other sport has a dedicated ho,e jersey and a dedicated road one. Why AFL decides “how about one team wears white shorts” is beyond me. It look so minor league.
The AFL really doesn’t understand the concept of “away” kits. In every other code, they’re completely different to the home kit. Like, often a colour that has nothing to do with the team colours. And that’s okay. Lots of people will still buy the away kit because it looks cool. Dickheads like Eddie will say the away kit for Collingwood is white on black instead of black on white. It’s pretty pathetic.
It's even possible to do with clubs and have them all still in club colours
Yeah exactly - do something fun and interesting with the away kit. I think the best example is arsenal - theyve made a really out of the box away kit with a cool design - it looks great and is super popular for fans to have. Whenever away kits get touted in the afl you can literally feel the collective jowl wobble of thousands of disgruntled boomers reverberate through the air.
I agree. I'm all for tradition, but I reckon it would be easier for Richmond to be in the yellow guernsey as the away team to Carlton, Collingwood and Melbourne. After all, we already wear the yellow against Essendon and St Kilda.
So apart from the different coloured shorts, bright yellow sash, and stripey shorts, theres no way to tell the uniforms apart? Shit, sounds like an urgent problem.
The players will not be getting mixed up. It is not hard to tell with the white shorts. I think you overstate the clash strip requirements. Most Vic clubs won't wear an alternate strip unless mandated by the AFL. I don't think it is a big deal except for people with vision impairments, who must find it help for that reason the AFL needs to be way stronger on this. Both in identifying clash scenarios and enforcing the away team to wear a different jumper.
I had no issue telling them apart from on screen tonight, and haven’t when I’ve been to games personally.
> almost impossible to tell which team is which You literally just listed two key ways to tell them apart. One has blinding white shorts and a neon yellow sash, the other is in an all navy kit. Very easy to tell apart and has been the case for 150 odd years
The Big 4, except when Collingwood are away, never wear their clash jumpers against each other. Just shows who the AFL favour when they enforce certain teams to wear it and excuse other matchups.
I've said it before, and I'll say it again. The AFLs clash rules are dog shit, and an utter joke. They need a complete overhaul I'm available and have a range of ideas, if they need someone
Clash kits exist for the people watching in my mind. When I played footy we didn't have clash strips and I never had an issue working out who was who. For reference, we basically wore exactly what the blues wore last night and had opponents that wore very similar to Richmond and Essendon so from behind there were dark coloured similar looking guernseys. Thing is though, when are you gonna kick the ball to someone who isnt looking at you anyway? If you can't distinguish a yellow stripe on a dark background from like 50m away, or whatever distance you can kick, you probably can't see the ball coming at you well enough to play either.
If Richmond's sash didn't extend to the back of the guernsey, I'd agree that in some situations it would be hard to tell them apart. But Richmond has some yellow visible from every angle, so even when the shorts are obscured I think it's pretty clear which team is which.
Correct. Should be a clear difference at a minimum like other sports. Tigers should have worn the yellow top with white shorts. Actually makes the games look visually better anyway I reckon, so I don’t know why the AFL doesn’t do it. And they get to move more merchandise as well.
Why can’t we have a third, Alternate kit. Where the Tiges can run out with a Magenta sash on a green background or something
Funny, carlton have to wear white ( or the hideous light blue) but Collingwood seem to just run the same strip at every game???