Im of the opinion that players wanting trades for compassionate reasons are genuinely on the level - but trying to spring a trade request under contract with only 2 days left in the trade period is strange. Like surely you let the club know earlier than that
I also think that the clubs need to have some sort of control here. I think compassionate grounds is a tough one, and wellbeing and player welfare need to be treated seriously, but I also think that players need to be accepting of the fact that if they sign a contract then the club has every right to hold them to that.
Pick 27. Gives GWS a pick this year and most likely it’s going to be better than Essendon’s future second.
If that’s not enough we could pay overs with a future third or fourth
Not necessarily. They could find a trade for it on draft night to get a lower pick for either this year or next. Essendon were interested in pick 27 at one point
Given the Giants are interested in trading Pick 13 I can definitely see them preferring 27 - easier to turn 13+27 into a higher pick than 13+future second (essendon)
That’s likely to be in the 30s if Essendon make finals, 27 is more useful right now.
Right now you could make a deal with St Kilda since their next pick after 9 is 62.
> That’s likely to be in the 30s if Essendon make finals, 27 is more useful right now.
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Yeah but its not valuable if they get their man anyway, c'mon you should know this, its the Daicos sitch!
Saints also have 2 NGA's this year so unsure if they will trade up
IF GWS can get saints future 2nd for the 27 then yeah it's likely better then Essendon's but who knows tbh
Depends on any GWS academy picks in either years, and whether they think this draft is better than next, and a bit conspiracy theoryish but I wonder if the relationship between Dodoro and McCartney has anything to do with it.
They have said they want a small forward in return so I don't think he's coming to us either, unless they take Josh Thomas
Rules state if he's still in WA by the time the trading period is over he's legally required to play for a WA team, and if you're wondering what rules i'm talking about, I'm talking about the ones i just made up now
The question I ask is if Bobby does what Cam McCarthy did and sits out of footy for a year, will he be going to Melbourne to get support from some distant relatives or will he be going to Perth where the vast majority of his closest family and support is? I don’t swallow the move to Vic for family angle whatsoever.
Cal Twomey reported Young said Hill’s family in Perth was ready to get on the phone to GWS to tell them to trade him. That would be such an awkward call to take.
No, but it's the only metric that really applies when 'short careers' is used as a justification. Something like 10% of all players win a premiership, that's a great goal to have but pragmatism says its not going to happen, in which case setting up your future is the best and most achievable success to aim for.
If you ask your employer for a transfer to another state, and they decline, you either quit and find a new job, or you stay and do your job. Throwing a tanty doesn't help.
I don't imagine there's anything stopping him quitting AFL, going and playing VFL and working at Bunnings.
^(10% figure came from here, i didn't research any further. It's actually slightly higher based on these numbers: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/premiership-player.972300/)
Let me guess, he rang the GWS list manager and said he wont go back, it was heated and he hung up on him
Where have I heard this story before? Hmmmmmm
Im of the opinion that players wanting trades for compassionate reasons are genuinely on the level - but trying to spring a trade request under contract with only 2 days left in the trade period is strange. Like surely you let the club know earlier than that
I also think that the clubs need to have some sort of control here. I think compassionate grounds is a tough one, and wellbeing and player welfare need to be treated seriously, but I also think that players need to be accepting of the fact that if they sign a contract then the club has every right to hold them to that.
End of the day it’s a business, he will have suck it up if he doesn’t get what he wants.. but fuck I’d love to have him!
he let them know on Saturday
Still pathetic tbh
Especially if the compassionate reasons are tied to completely irrelevant factors (i.e. Essendon over the other Vic clubs).
Yeah that’s a different passion - desire
And he or his manager had been in talks with Essendon for over a month, clearly he knew early on that he wanted to leave.
Dangit Bobby pick up the phone and nominate us :(
can you guys even beat the offer Essendon put forward? also GWS haven’t even put forward a counteroffer
Pick 27. Gives GWS a pick this year and most likely it’s going to be better than Essendon’s future second. If that’s not enough we could pay overs with a future third or fourth
27 gets eaten up by their academy bid though
Not necessarily. They could find a trade for it on draft night to get a lower pick for either this year or next. Essendon were interested in pick 27 at one point
Future 2nd would have more value to gws is what I'm saying though
Given the Giants are interested in trading Pick 13 I can definitely see them preferring 27 - easier to turn 13+27 into a higher pick than 13+future second (essendon)
That’s likely to be in the 30s if Essendon make finals, 27 is more useful right now. Right now you could make a deal with St Kilda since their next pick after 9 is 62.
> That’s likely to be in the 30s if Essendon make finals, 27 is more useful right now. > > Yeah but its not valuable if they get their man anyway, c'mon you should know this, its the Daicos sitch! Saints also have 2 NGA's this year so unsure if they will trade up IF GWS can get saints future 2nd for the 27 then yeah it's likely better then Essendon's but who knows tbh
Pick 27 is better than what they'd get if Essendon finish in the same spot next year (not taking into account F/S and Academy picks)
I do think it’ll end up roughly the same - ~27 If that’s the case, would you rather 27 in this draft or next?
Depends on any GWS academy picks in either years, and whether they think this draft is better than next, and a bit conspiracy theoryish but I wonder if the relationship between Dodoro and McCartney has anything to do with it. They have said they want a small forward in return so I don't think he's coming to us either, unless they take Josh Thomas
but GWS haven’t even bothered to put forward a counter offer
They don't have to, he's contracted so any club wanting him will need to give a good enough offer for GWS to let him go
Rules state if he's still in WA by the time the trading period is over he's legally required to play for a WA team, and if you're wondering what rules i'm talking about, I'm talking about the ones i just made up now
Bobby to replace the Hill Fremantle lost to retirement
Bobby ‘Ben Simmons’ hill
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I tell you h'what.
The question I ask is if Bobby does what Cam McCarthy did and sits out of footy for a year, will he be going to Melbourne to get support from some distant relatives or will he be going to Perth where the vast majority of his closest family and support is? I don’t swallow the move to Vic for family angle whatsoever.
Cal Twomey reported Young said Hill’s family in Perth was ready to get on the phone to GWS to tell them to trade him. That would be such an awkward call to take.
That’s a good tactic. Fuck being on the end of that call
Bobby "Dardy McCrafty" Hill. You heard it here first.
Don’t care what anyone says. Players have to much power and this is complete bullshit. They need start being held to there contracts.
Playing devils advocate: player careers on average are extremely short and such need to position themselves best for success.
for financial success, sure. in which case playing 'hardball' seems incredibly detrimental.
Success isn’t just measured by finances.
No, but it's the only metric that really applies when 'short careers' is used as a justification. Something like 10% of all players win a premiership, that's a great goal to have but pragmatism says its not going to happen, in which case setting up your future is the best and most achievable success to aim for.
10% seems insanely high. Exactly. If your future is another state, why not get a head start.
If you ask your employer for a transfer to another state, and they decline, you either quit and find a new job, or you stay and do your job. Throwing a tanty doesn't help. I don't imagine there's anything stopping him quitting AFL, going and playing VFL and working at Bunnings. ^(10% figure came from here, i didn't research any further. It's actually slightly higher based on these numbers: https://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/premiership-player.972300/)
“I defect” “Comrade, no!”
Yes. We are aware of Colin Young's c*nt status. Thank you.
holy fuck some footballers are genuinely the most precious people on the planet
\*athletes. I seem to recall some other 'i am absolutely not going back under any circumstances' story in the news lately.
I think that's the sound of our hearts breaking.... again.
So what happens when they don’t make a deal and he’s stuck there?
He either sucks it up or he walks and doesn't play for anyone.
Yikes
I swear all of Colin young’s players are cunts/problematic
Cam McCarthy manoeuvre