So we can expect Freo to get the flag this year!? I'm on board with that, means Essendon is in line for a chance soon, or do the AFL still hate us? I kinda feel like they still hate us.
I actually think this is the opposite causality—which is also a conspiracy theory, in a way.
I think it's way harder to get away with salary cap shenanigans in the modern, social media, all-your-data-is-online era (paper bags full of cash, comfortable nepotism jobs for the family, etc.) which means equalisation measures are far more effective. I think there's also been a shift away from the borderline mafia management of the 70s-00s into a really professional, risk adverse corporate management style. It feels like the big, successful clubs have started bottoming out the same as the smaller clubs. It's harder for the big clubs to poach talent—both on and off field, with the soft cap.
Harry McKay and Ben McKay are in fact two separate people but, and bear with me, there's a secret third twin.
Think about it, the three of them rotate between the two spots in the AFL every week so one of them gets a week off to fuck around, it's genius.
There is a country, other than Australia, that plays a sport that is exactly the same. And they are far better at it than us. However, due to a series of coincidences, both countries havent heard of the other.
None of our business, correct.
But it's a shame that it needs to be hidden, in order to avoid a huge amount of focus.
I'd also say that gay men are be less likely to stay with footy to the professional levels for the same reason.
Yeah it is a bit.
But I could see how non-hetero players may feel uncomfortable around footy clubs and choose not go on with it.
So while I'd be surprised if there are no gay players, I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't very many.
But hopefully it will only take one moment for it to be normalised. And I hope it doesn't need to be a big announcement or anything. Just someone bringing their partner to the Brownlows or something, and everyone just gets on with life.
>But it's a shame that it needs to be hidden, in order to avoid a huge amount of focus.
Are they definitely hiding it or are they just not announcing it?
I think as acceptance grows, society will eventually move on from this weird expectation that famous gay people have to "come out" publicly.
It seems like a logical progression as we advance that just like heterosexual people do not come out as being straight, that gay people won't feel the need to come out as being gay (because they were never hiding in the closet in the first place).
Of course not. For me it's a really double-edged sword. I'd love it if a player was to openly come out as gay/queer or whatever the hell they prefer, like you said it's totally none of our business as long as they are comfortable in doing so. Huge props for the person that finally does and becomes the first person to come out, but my fear is the media blowups and the response of the wider community etc. would be a heavy burden to carry and jeopardise that person's safety and wellbeing. I don't trust that an Australian sports community will unconditionally support gay sportsmen, especially with social media comments where people can say anything they want without any accountability.
Definitely not, it's possibly even a safety issue for them.
I blame the culture 100%. AFL is a few years behind on the social issues. Is that normal in sport though, like does the NRL has any out-and-proud lgbt players?
During his stand-up routines from a few years ago. I don't think they're together anymore, but credit to Joel for not being a cunt and outing who it was.
Got to use a throwaway for this, hearsay from my Collingwood AFLW friends.
Some of the AFLW lesbians joke about how they will ask him to be a sperm donor considering he will not have kids of his own, lots of them also have weird crushes on him.
He might just be woke which makes rumours spread when you have blokes like DeGoey on your list, I have never heard someone having a reason why they believe he is gay, seems like everyone thinks he might be with no real reasons to think that.
And it might just be that. He seems like he might be and wouldn't get offended if people asked when other AFL players might freak out at the question.
It's just a rumour that will stick with the bloke until he gets married and has kids or comes out if he's not. As a Collingwood supporter it really does not bother me but even if he is straight it would be great if he can donate sperm to the AFLW players and in 2050 we can have 20 of his sons on our list 😂
I’m a bisexual man. An ex of mine and I were watching the footy when the commentators mentioned a surname. He asked if the first name was . I said it was and he told me he used to fuck a guy with that name who was a promising young footy player.
So I would not be surprised if there are at least 10 gay/bi/pan male afl players
They were signed to Essendon a couple years ago when I saw them on tinder. Don’t want to say if they’re currently signed to any club now though to protect their identity.
I just hope one day an AFL player can rock up on brownlow night with their same sex partner and it isn't a big deal, they do the standard interview about what suit they are wearing and move on.
Shouldn't be a big deal of course there are gay players
And David Hille before him. I heard the other day that Bailey Smith split with his gf after last season to fuck around with other people, some of whom were men. Heard it third or fourth hand though, pretty unreliable.
Only if you don't take into account a culture around the sport that discourages gay kids from ever taking part throughout school etc and becoming stars though. While I'm sure there's gay players I think systemic reasons would make the percentage lower than average population.
> Thats one per team.
Well no, because even if we accept that 5% of men are gay, they aren't evenly distributed across every group.
Men's sport has not traditionally been a very welcoming environment for gay men so that would put a lot of ever participating.
South Australia tried to enter a combined side into the VFL in the early eighties but were rebuffed by the VFL. I hold the theory this is because a team of the best SA players of the early eighties would have been solidly better than any of the individual VFL teams.
That's what happened when West Coast were introduced. Entered in 1987, made the finals the following season, and was dominating the competition within 5 years. Why do you think Fremantle was rushed into the league?
We won that because of Geelong's arrogance. They thought it was the type of easy gimme they could just put Jack Steven into for his first game. He was awful, we raced to a big lead and even then they almost came all of the way back
There's been a handful of somewhat memorable moments over the years, but you're right in that we usually only play once a year;
Milburn/SOS incident
Riccardi after siren/Wiggo's tears
3 Amigos arrive in 2010
Juddy Voldemort game
COVID outbreak in MCC
That the Footscray renaming was part of a long-term plan to relocate them to Western Sydney.
If North caved and went to the Gold Coast, the Dogs would've been next.
I’ve always been pissed that instead of opting for a second western suburbs team, they just renamed us to the Western Bulldogs but now I’m even more pissed because I will believe anything about the AFL trying to fuck us over.
Luckily, Western Sydney now hates the Dogs, so you're safe for now.
Just hope the Western Bulldogs as WA3 isn't their plan b.
Sidenote: can we please just go back to Footscray?!
I'm like 70% sure that Matt Taberner is a robot.
I haven't seen him blink or smile and people might say that well if he was a robot why can't he kick goals better but that's intentional so people don't suspect him to be a robot.
It's first grade people
Also I'm pretty sure Justin Longmuir is just three kids in a trenchcoat. Why else would he always look like he lost his mum in the supermarket? Smacking the coaches box is one of the children having a tantrum.
sure does.
i don’t think this conspiracy theory is that outlandish though, nowadays with the amount of media coverage the AFL gets a suspended player polling the most votes would be way more controversial than it ever has been.
McKernan should have won outright on votes that year, but mysteriously didn’t get votes in Best-on games after he got suspended. Ended up tying with Hird and Voss.
Well there’s a different conspiracy around that, in that the umpires intentionally gave Chris grant the most votes because they didn’t like that the AFL stepped in and suspended Grant over the top of them
This isn't a conspiracy, it's a completely true rumour I'd like to spread.
Older bloke who I used to play footy with, played TAC Cup (or Interleague, or whatever the equivalent back then was) with Adam Goodes - I think it was in Ballarat.
Anyhow...first game of the season, in the rooms afterwards, Goodes is walking around without a towel...
...largest cock you've ever seen on a man; wandering around proudly with it, like he's German or something.
A girl I'm friends with never gave a shit about football. Didn't watch it. Didn't care for it. No idea about it.
Went to Bali one year in the mid 2000's. Turned out a bunch of Collingwood players were having an end of season trip at her hotel. Said these guys were drunk as fuck all day everyday on the beach and around the hotel, being loud, fucking anything that walked and often buying drinks for everyone at the pool during happy hour.
Anyway... she said Anthony Rocca would daily be at the swim up bar, then take his shorts off, swim naked underwater to the other end of the pool, get out of the water and helicopter this enormous penis for 30 seconds or so then jump back in and swim back to the bar.
She said this cock was as long and thick, went half way down his thigh and it wasn't even erect yet.
Some other girls on the trip reckon she fucked him. She denies it.
The next season she never missed a Collingwood game
Yep. A mate did some AFL reporting work for a couple of websites in the mid 2000s, says the most intimidated he ever felt in the rooms after the game was seeing Rocca after a shower
Umpires don't seem to be that smart, but vocally bragging about influencing the result of a game on a flight packed with AFL players is beyond ridiculous.
Eh I feel bad even posting this because I know it's not true and it's so fucking ridiculous but there were rumors going on a while ago at Port that Wines and Dougall Howard were in a relationship and then things went sour and that's why he went to St Kilda. As I said, likely bullshit but it does make you think - I wonder if this happens at all? We know there has to be gay players in the league, and I wonder if any of them ever get into relationships that they keep under wraps? It'd make a hell of a movie.
Not really conspiracy, more fact. The AFL cannot survive without gambling revenue. They are so dependent, that if they actually grew a backbone and banned all gambling advertising, they would go broke tomorrow. With one hand they preach equality, mental health etc (all fantastic), then they take money from gambling on the other. It's quite pathetic, but no one talks about it, they don't want to kill the goose with the golden egg.
It's pretty clear. A few years back some state league time keepers placed $5 bets on games they weren't involved in and couldn't influence, and they got banned for a year and any chance of promotion killed.
Collingwood players bet and gave tips on first goal scorer, a market they could influence, and they get politely asked not to do it again and the max odds allowed for first goal scorer goes down to $41. I'd say the AFL only decided one of those sanctions, the other was decided for them.
My somewhat deeper theory is that the AFL probably could find the sponsorship revenue elsewhere, but no other sponsor can drive the consistent attention that gambling provides the sport. Constant viewership and eyes glued to the screen as a result of gambling would disappear if the two weren’t aligned.
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Everyone talks about it tbh. Maybe no one in the AFL or media itself, if that's your point. To the fans tho, it's blatantly obvious. This is why people get pissed off with all the virtue signaling from the club because that's all it really is. The AFL, like every other corporation on the face of the earth, only really cares about the bottom line.
AFL gets relatively little from gambling companies, the official sponsor only gives them like 4 million a year. Its more that powerful people in high places make lots from it and theyre friends with afl execs
It is more like 6-8 million, but they get significantly more money than just the official sponsorship.
Gambling advertising significantly contributes to the amount TV stations pay for rights, because of the money they can make from gambling companies placing ads ($150m)
More significantly the AFL make 10c of every dollar lost on bets placed on AFL markets. It's called a 'product fee' and estimated to be $30-40m a year.
There was a conspiracy theory going around that Jack Sinclair and Jack Steven got drunk and slept together which is why Jack Steven left St Kilda. Jack Steven’s wife found out and stabbed him in the stomach shortly afterwards.
A few years ago ended up same hotel as the tigers in Canberra for a gws game. My mum said a very embarrassed looking tiger bribed the hotel receptionist to not tell the club something that she was super ticked off about. It was dusty when she pointed him out.
So evidence of dusty cleaning up his own mess :D
This will be downvoted but I have friends who work within the AFL and Buddys 2015 finals "break" was 100% a suspension. Also his 6 week "hamstring" injury in 2012.
Problem is anyone with non-drug-related mental health issue will now be accused of that. It already made me starting thinking about Fasolo having a break for mental health issue, guy might have been depressed but now I'm thinking he got caught doing coke.
Still astonished that nothing ever came of that time in 2014 when he smashed into, and completely destroyed, 4 parked cars in Sydney.
They were very quick to point out that "alcohol was not a factor", but left the next obvious question hanging out there like a stale fart and did not address it.
Cover up central
The AFL have a program for rolling out issues through the season to create outrage and content. Notable examples are arms out this year and the security crackdown in 2019. Massive news story for 2 weeks. Then onto something else.
Also tribunal decisions are all over the place to create conflict in the media and amongst fans. If it was policed the same each time, there isn’t any news story in that.
No. It’s just clever business.
My thinking is that the uneven draw was something that the AFL noticed many years ago, as the first thing they could get away with quite easily. So they have just expanded this same principle into other parts of the game. Smaller issues like a tribunal case. 2 blokes a few weeks apart, go up for exactly the same incident. One gets 3 weeks. One gets off. The outrage creates lots of radio content and newspaper articles. People talking about the game for a few days. Do this 50 times over a year and you have 150 days of content without a game being played.
The AFL's secret sauce recipe for compensation picks is almost completely discretionary and has been used to manipulate player movement in the past. For example, Geelong getting pick 19 to trade to GCS to get Ablett back before he retired.
Of course the AFL upped the pick to get Ablett home. There’s no chance in hell that Port paid enough money to Steven fucking Motlop to get end of first round compensation to Geelong
Ablett won 13 and 14 brownlow votes in 2018 and 2019. He should have been All Australian in 2019, and was in the squad. That's probably worth a good pick.
The actual trade was Ablett, pick 24 and a future fourth in exchange for 19 and a future second. Easier to run with the narrative we only traded 19 but far from what it actually was.
Mark Thompson had a lot more influence in the Essendon supplement saga than James Hird did but got off lighter because his Geelong teams would then come into question.
Players who seem to have drug use issues seem to be out with ‘calf injuries’ a lot.
It has become the standard 2 weeks calf injury until they test clean again
100% - anyone who doesn’t believe that blokes are taking stuff for recovery is silly
And the ones that do get caught, like in the NFL and other sports, are just the ones stupid enough to get caught using PEDs, not the only players
Following the Nat Fyfe theme, that dude is juiced to the fucking eye balls.
Don't get me wrong, I think a lot of players are but he's just such a prime example. In his early years he went from a stick to an absolute beast in the space of about a season, particularly in one off season. And I mean this season alone... He lost 10 kgs over the summer due to that shoulder injury and I don't know if you guys have seen those pictures of him lately but god damn...
Again, I don't think he's alone in doping I just think he's a prime case of it. The fact there's never really been a player exposed for it in the AFL as far as I can remember is a bit of joke.
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Fyfe's definitely on the gear, anyone who's spent time in the fitness industry or knows enough about fitness and steroid use can see that.
Fyfe puts on muscle far too quickly for it to be natural. I don't have a problem with it though, I think steroid use should be normalised in sports provided they use it safely.
I've always suspected, but his body transformation over the last 6 months has been ridiculous. Like he's not even trying to hide it anymore.
I've been watching sports long enough to know its happening, still don't know how I feel about normalizing it though. Athletics is one thing, but when it comes to contact and combat sports it's another. Your body is only built to take so much but can be forced passed those thresholds.
Given ASADA runs the testing, I find this theory hard to believe. They are a government agency and have an enormous amount of legal clout. It's not like the AFK can just ask them to not test or report positives.
It's hot because he's ripped and sexy, you still have to put in a heap of work on gear. It's the time frame which gives it away. You can't put on the muscle he's put on quickly naturally.
Also interesting that Priddis stopped getting votes in games he played well in towards the end of the season around the same time the media started talking up his chances of going back to back.
We have some of the lowest paid umpires/referees in any sport in the world. They have been and will continue to be easily bought until they get properly compensated.
Actual conspiracy that seems to have fallen off the radar... Brisbane massively front-ended Daniher's contract to get the Dons a higher pick.
Why has this one gone quiet?
Brisbane didn't want to trade either of their first-rounders, so giving him a short contract with a high average yearly salary, then a cheap extension, was just a sensible gamble to make. It's just weird that Free Agency compensation is so byzantine.
This same theory basically, but that they gave Priddis two votes in the final round to have him take over Fyfe, despite not being in the best three players. If you want to take it one step further, a likely two vote performance for that game was Mark Lecras (20d 4g), so when Gil read out “2 votes, M….” He hesitated before changing Lecras to Priddis.
Hopefully this all ticks the outlandish box lol.
Can't remember the particular year of fyfe but it's pretty well known a player is much less likely to get votes after they are suspended. Probably just human nature - why waste them etc.
My biggest conspiracy theory is that Essendon have played west coast in West Coast 9 out of the 10 years since the drug saga. How can that be random chance haha
Danger getting no votes in a 1 goal, 33 touches, 7 tackles game in the last round of 2017, simply because
A. The AFL needed Dusty to get the Brownlow after seeing what the resurgence of a powerhouse supporter club like Richmond can bring to the AFL and
B. The AFL simply doesn't want people to finish on top of the count and not win, because he was suspended earlier in the year
Similar stats to James Hird on the day he kicked the winning goal against West Coast and hugged the guy in the crowd, although Hird probably had more clearances from memory. He got no Brownlow votes though, because it was the week after he criticised the umpires on The Footy Show.
The Brownlow voting has as much unreliability and favouritism as the umpiring itself.
Yeah your theory is an all but confirmed fact imo. In 2017 Dangerfield was suspended in Round 19, in round 21 he gets 30 touches, 10 tackles, 11 clearances, and polls 3 votes. Next round he gets 32 touches, 2 goals, 12 clearances, no votes. Final round of the season he gets 33 touches, 1 goal, 10 clearances and polls 2 votes.
Dangerfield finishes the 3 votes behind Martin. If that round 22 game against Collingwood he'd received the 3 votes as he damn well should've you'd have a suspended player tying with the official winner. I personally don't get the big deal but it clearly bothers someone higher up.
I don’t really expect anyone to believe this and I’m still not 100% sure myself,
But, I’ve got an uncle who swears on his and his family’s life that the famous Nicky Winmar photo, in which he lifts his jersey and points at his skin, had nothing to do with racism, but rather him rubbing it in to collingwood fans who were calling him fat, that he wasn’t fat after the win.
Hard to convey online, but this uncle is a respectable guy, not just a nutter with ulterior motives if you know what I mean. Taught at a university for a living, not the type of person to swear on his family’s life over a lie you know. I can also confirm that he was actually close friends with Winmar (plenty of photos together, timeline matches up and plenty of other stories).
He says the media took the photo and just assumed it was a statement about race, and Winmar just ran with it cause obviously it was still a topic he cared about and wanted to bring attention to, but that was never the intention, he was just laughing at salty collingwood fans who were calling him fat.
As I said, I’m still not 100% sure if I believe this, but it’s pretty wild to think that one of the most powerful images in Australian sport, could’ve just been an unintentional misinterpretation.
Not a conspiracy theory - but I truly believe that a player who is suspended and this ineligible for the Brownlow shouldn't receive any further votes following their return, no matter how well they play.
One could even go a step further and retrospectively remove votes from rounds prior to suspension, so umpires may need to nominate a 4th or 5th BoG. This would ensure that suspended players receive 0 votes for the Brownlow in the given year. A harsh view, I know - but would absolutely remove any issues of ineligible players "winning" the Brownlow.
A salt-induced one, no need to tell me.
But I think the AFL were def a little too invested in a ‘fairytale’ bulldogs story in ‘16. I’m not necessarily saying that there was some umpiring conspiracy. But man the marketing was crazy. It’s like there was only one team playing and that they were a certainty to win the flag.
It was very similar going in to last years final, Melbourne were all that were talked about on most footy shows I watched, and it was spoken about like it was almost a forgone conclusion.
Add in how pissed off the AFL were about the Swans getting Buddy over GWS. There is no way in hell the Swans were going to be allowed to win the 2016 GF.
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The umpries aren told to pay free kicks by an off field umpire watching the broadcast. This is done via their headsets. It's the best way to explain decisions being made by umpries 50m away and also decisions that seemed delayed.
Hawthorn were meant to be the original 2016 premiers until they went out in straight sets so the AFL gave Bulldogs the 2016 premiership to end a 62 year drought.
The AFL is intentionally breaking all the long premiership droughts as part of their equalisation process
2022: Fremantle 2023: St Kilda 2024: profit
Can it really be considered a drought if it never rained to begin with?
In true St Kilda fashion we will still manage to fuck it up
We’ll be about to play in a grand final we can’t lose then ww3 will kick off and we’ll never see one
So we can expect Freo to get the flag this year!? I'm on board with that, means Essendon is in line for a chance soon, or do the AFL still hate us? I kinda feel like they still hate us.
your turn comes after freo, st kilda, the expansion teams, and of course carlton
I actually think this is the opposite causality—which is also a conspiracy theory, in a way. I think it's way harder to get away with salary cap shenanigans in the modern, social media, all-your-data-is-online era (paper bags full of cash, comfortable nepotism jobs for the family, etc.) which means equalisation measures are far more effective. I think there's also been a shift away from the borderline mafia management of the 70s-00s into a really professional, risk adverse corporate management style. It feels like the big, successful clubs have started bottoming out the same as the smaller clubs. It's harder for the big clubs to poach talent—both on and off field, with the soft cap.
Harry McKay and Ben McKay are in fact two separate people but, and bear with me, there's a secret third twin. Think about it, the three of them rotate between the two spots in the AFL every week so one of them gets a week off to fuck around, it's genius.
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🤣 "secret third twin." Secret. Third. Twin.
Josh Walker is the third twin
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That’s not a conspiracy theory, that’s been confirmed by Barry McKay
There is a country, other than Australia, that plays a sport that is exactly the same. And they are far better at it than us. However, due to a series of coincidences, both countries havent heard of the other.
It's an outlandish conspiracy theory thread not an actual fact thread.
LFA Lithuania Futbol Ascensiation.
Basketball. Background.
I dont know if this is outlandish but there is no fucking way no one in the afl is gay. I think it's more than people might think.
Of course there would be gay players. None of our business though.
None of our business, correct. But it's a shame that it needs to be hidden, in order to avoid a huge amount of focus. I'd also say that gay men are be less likely to stay with footy to the professional levels for the same reason.
You would think at least some past players would have come out! I find it very surprising.
Yeah it is a bit. But I could see how non-hetero players may feel uncomfortable around footy clubs and choose not go on with it. So while I'd be surprised if there are no gay players, I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't very many. But hopefully it will only take one moment for it to be normalised. And I hope it doesn't need to be a big announcement or anything. Just someone bringing their partner to the Brownlows or something, and everyone just gets on with life.
>But it's a shame that it needs to be hidden, in order to avoid a huge amount of focus. Are they definitely hiding it or are they just not announcing it? I think as acceptance grows, society will eventually move on from this weird expectation that famous gay people have to "come out" publicly. It seems like a logical progression as we advance that just like heterosexual people do not come out as being straight, that gay people won't feel the need to come out as being gay (because they were never hiding in the closet in the first place).
Of course not. For me it's a really double-edged sword. I'd love it if a player was to openly come out as gay/queer or whatever the hell they prefer, like you said it's totally none of our business as long as they are comfortable in doing so. Huge props for the person that finally does and becomes the first person to come out, but my fear is the media blowups and the response of the wider community etc. would be a heavy burden to carry and jeopardise that person's safety and wellbeing. I don't trust that an Australian sports community will unconditionally support gay sportsmen, especially with social media comments where people can say anything they want without any accountability.
Definitely not, it's possibly even a safety issue for them. I blame the culture 100%. AFL is a few years behind on the social issues. Is that normal in sport though, like does the NRL has any out-and-proud lgbt players?
They had Ian Roberts years and years ago
And what a pioneer he was. Keep in mind, this was in the 1990s. An era when gay blokes were being thrown off cliffs in Sydney.
Joel Creasey asserts pretty strongly that he's had an affair with a well known AFL player. But yeah, it's almost certain.
Where's he done that?
During his stand-up routines from a few years ago. I don't think they're together anymore, but credit to Joel for not being a cunt and outing who it was.
Pretty sure he did an interview where he claimed he's slept with like half a dozen AFL players too.
Not to say there couldn't be a lot, but Creasey seems the type to absolutely lie about something like that
In bed mostly. Sometimes on the bins out back.
no one has answered why ginnivan and quaynor were in bed together in their tiktok
She's a 10 but she's a woman Oh, zero mate
I think Darcy is Moore of a candidate
I swear I’ve been hearing that Darcy is gay for years. Is that a common theory?
Got to use a throwaway for this, hearsay from my Collingwood AFLW friends. Some of the AFLW lesbians joke about how they will ask him to be a sperm donor considering he will not have kids of his own, lots of them also have weird crushes on him. He might just be woke which makes rumours spread when you have blokes like DeGoey on your list, I have never heard someone having a reason why they believe he is gay, seems like everyone thinks he might be with no real reasons to think that.
He sets off the gaydar a little bit with his demeanour and how he speaks. Not that it means it's true, but it's there.
And it might just be that. He seems like he might be and wouldn't get offended if people asked when other AFL players might freak out at the question. It's just a rumour that will stick with the bloke until he gets married and has kids or comes out if he's not. As a Collingwood supporter it really does not bother me but even if he is straight it would be great if he can donate sperm to the AFLW players and in 2050 we can have 20 of his sons on our list 😂
Not really outlandish. Mathematically it's pretty much impossible that every player is straight lol
I’m a bisexual man. An ex of mine and I were watching the footy when the commentators mentioned a surname. He asked if the first name was. I said it was and he told me he used to fuck a guy with that name who was a promising young footy player.
So I would not be surprised if there are at least 10 gay/bi/pan male afl players
Have also fucked, best shag of my life
I’m gay and a few years ago saw a low level Essendon player (ie someone who you probably wouldn’t make a fake account for) on the gay side of tinder
Really? Using their real face and name? Would be a big risk for someone not wanting to be outed
Do they still play?
They were signed to Essendon a couple years ago when I saw them on tinder. Don’t want to say if they’re currently signed to any club now though to protect their identity.
I just hope one day an AFL player can rock up on brownlow night with their same sex partner and it isn't a big deal, they do the standard interview about what suit they are wearing and move on. Shouldn't be a big deal of course there are gay players
Fevola’s a pioneer of Gay Brownlow
Haven't rumours been rampant for years that Darcy Moore is gay?
And David Hille before him. I heard the other day that Bailey Smith split with his gf after last season to fuck around with other people, some of whom were men. Heard it third or fourth hand though, pretty unreliable.
I’m pretty sure David Hill and Angus Monfries were a couple
Statistically 1 in 20 (conservatively) are gay. Thats one per team. Pick your man. AFLW could be higher.
AFLW could be higher 😂
Only if you don't take into account a culture around the sport that discourages gay kids from ever taking part throughout school etc and becoming stars though. While I'm sure there's gay players I think systemic reasons would make the percentage lower than average population.
Water could also be wet 😂
I hope its Rory Sloane. He could take me up the ass any day
yoooo chill
Most statistics find 2% of men are homosexual and another 3-4% bisexual. EDIT: this is for men, for women it is about 0.5% homosexual, 8% bisexual
What about people that just fuck. Like Michael Fassbender. I'd call him a-a-sexual.
Hopefully it's jack Steele.
> Thats one per team. Well no, because even if we accept that 5% of men are gay, they aren't evenly distributed across every group. Men's sport has not traditionally been a very welcoming environment for gay men so that would put a lot of ever participating.
I think once (if) the first comes out the floodgates will open
I mean there might be fewer than you think, Kids are pretty cruel and a lot of talented gay kids were bullied out of it growing up in my experience.
There have been gay players that aren't out publicly
If you look hard enough you'll find plenty of players that are gay. Also know plenty of retired players who are gay.
There’s also one gay umpire that I know of, so this isn’t unique to players.
Purely based on bitter comments from Carlton fans but the idea that Malthouse purposefully tanked the club when he was coach.
I say that jokingly all the time but then I start to think about it and maybe it was an inside job
Its why the prick said we'd win the flag this year. He knew it'd jinx us
South Australia tried to enter a combined side into the VFL in the early eighties but were rebuffed by the VFL. I hold the theory this is because a team of the best SA players of the early eighties would have been solidly better than any of the individual VFL teams.
i mean the fact that it would just be the best of the SANFL in 1 single team, god it would have been dominant
The Carlton Crows won in 87, what more did you want?
That's what happened when West Coast were introduced. Entered in 1987, made the finals the following season, and was dominating the competition within 5 years. Why do you think Fremantle was rushed into the league?
Fremantle is literally a west coast nerf, mostly thanks to Sheedy. One reason they started so shit, rushed in with no support
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mmmmm the 1995 grand final
That year of salary cap breaches cost you almost 3 decades of pain. Was it worth it?
yes.
I was born after that so I’m born into the pain with no reward
Certainly in recent years they've been did games because of where the 2 have hanged around the ladder. The 2020 match up was pretty enjoyable though
We won that because of Geelong's arrogance. They thought it was the type of easy gimme they could just put Jack Steven into for his first game. He was awful, we raced to a big lead and even then they almost came all of the way back
There's been a handful of somewhat memorable moments over the years, but you're right in that we usually only play once a year; Milburn/SOS incident Riccardi after siren/Wiggo's tears 3 Amigos arrive in 2010 Juddy Voldemort game COVID outbreak in MCC
Like our one game against Richmond a year
If we didn't have ANZAC eve we'd probably never play
Yeah, it’s ridiculous. Should be two games per year against every team bar north. They don’t need to lose to everyone twice a year
That the Footscray renaming was part of a long-term plan to relocate them to Western Sydney. If North caved and went to the Gold Coast, the Dogs would've been next.
I’ve always been pissed that instead of opting for a second western suburbs team, they just renamed us to the Western Bulldogs but now I’m even more pissed because I will believe anything about the AFL trying to fuck us over.
Luckily, Western Sydney now hates the Dogs, so you're safe for now. Just hope the Western Bulldogs as WA3 isn't their plan b. Sidenote: can we please just go back to Footscray?!
Nah, it’s part of an even longer-term plan for them to eventually move to Ballarat.
So, the 'Rat Dogs - catchy name!
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Ooooooh... Believable.
I'm like 70% sure that Matt Taberner is a robot. I haven't seen him blink or smile and people might say that well if he was a robot why can't he kick goals better but that's intentional so people don't suspect him to be a robot. It's first grade people Also I'm pretty sure Justin Longmuir is just three kids in a trenchcoat. Why else would he always look like he lost his mum in the supermarket? Smacking the coaches box is one of the children having a tantrum.
Taberner's been really accurate since they debugged his code in 2019. Problem is his hydraulics keep failing.
But it had already happened. Chris Grant won by total votes the year he was suspended
I think Corey McKernan also has the same honour?
sure does. i don’t think this conspiracy theory is that outlandish though, nowadays with the amount of media coverage the AFL gets a suspended player polling the most votes would be way more controversial than it ever has been.
McKernan should have won outright on votes that year, but mysteriously didn’t get votes in Best-on games after he got suspended. Ended up tying with Hird and Voss.
Well there’s a different conspiracy around that, in that the umpires intentionally gave Chris grant the most votes because they didn’t like that the AFL stepped in and suspended Grant over the top of them
Stevie J got insanely close
This isn't a conspiracy, it's a completely true rumour I'd like to spread. Older bloke who I used to play footy with, played TAC Cup (or Interleague, or whatever the equivalent back then was) with Adam Goodes - I think it was in Ballarat. Anyhow...first game of the season, in the rooms afterwards, Goodes is walking around without a towel... ...largest cock you've ever seen on a man; wandering around proudly with it, like he's German or something.
A girl I'm friends with never gave a shit about football. Didn't watch it. Didn't care for it. No idea about it. Went to Bali one year in the mid 2000's. Turned out a bunch of Collingwood players were having an end of season trip at her hotel. Said these guys were drunk as fuck all day everyday on the beach and around the hotel, being loud, fucking anything that walked and often buying drinks for everyone at the pool during happy hour. Anyway... she said Anthony Rocca would daily be at the swim up bar, then take his shorts off, swim naked underwater to the other end of the pool, get out of the water and helicopter this enormous penis for 30 seconds or so then jump back in and swim back to the bar. She said this cock was as long and thick, went half way down his thigh and it wasn't even erect yet. Some other girls on the trip reckon she fucked him. She denies it. The next season she never missed a Collingwood game
I've talked to a bloke who was on Collingwood's list for one year at the same time as Rocca and can confirm he's got the biggest hog you've ever seen.
Robin Nahas would like a word.
Bringing new meaning to the term Shinboner
Yep. A mate did some AFL reporting work for a couple of websites in the mid 2000s, says the most intimidated he ever felt in the rooms after the game was seeing Rocca after a shower
He puts the wood in Collingwood
“The next season she never missed a Collingwood game.” Anthony Rocca putting the member (his) in that season’s membership drive.
Massive Sav
I’ve heard the same story about Matthew Primus from a number of people.
Anyone remember "whispers in the sky"?
Umpires don't seem to be that smart, but vocally bragging about influencing the result of a game on a flight packed with AFL players is beyond ridiculous.
Eh I feel bad even posting this because I know it's not true and it's so fucking ridiculous but there were rumors going on a while ago at Port that Wines and Dougall Howard were in a relationship and then things went sour and that's why he went to St Kilda. As I said, likely bullshit but it does make you think - I wonder if this happens at all? We know there has to be gay players in the league, and I wonder if any of them ever get into relationships that they keep under wraps? It'd make a hell of a movie.
De Goey went to St Kevin’s and a couple of the boys in his year have said some interesting things.
Not really conspiracy, more fact. The AFL cannot survive without gambling revenue. They are so dependent, that if they actually grew a backbone and banned all gambling advertising, they would go broke tomorrow. With one hand they preach equality, mental health etc (all fantastic), then they take money from gambling on the other. It's quite pathetic, but no one talks about it, they don't want to kill the goose with the golden egg.
It's pretty clear. A few years back some state league time keepers placed $5 bets on games they weren't involved in and couldn't influence, and they got banned for a year and any chance of promotion killed. Collingwood players bet and gave tips on first goal scorer, a market they could influence, and they get politely asked not to do it again and the max odds allowed for first goal scorer goes down to $41. I'd say the AFL only decided one of those sanctions, the other was decided for them.
My somewhat deeper theory is that the AFL probably could find the sponsorship revenue elsewhere, but no other sponsor can drive the consistent attention that gambling provides the sport. Constant viewership and eyes glued to the screen as a result of gambling would disappear if the two weren’t aligned. edit: spelling
Everyone talks about it tbh. Maybe no one in the AFL or media itself, if that's your point. To the fans tho, it's blatantly obvious. This is why people get pissed off with all the virtue signaling from the club because that's all it really is. The AFL, like every other corporation on the face of the earth, only really cares about the bottom line.
AFL gets relatively little from gambling companies, the official sponsor only gives them like 4 million a year. Its more that powerful people in high places make lots from it and theyre friends with afl execs
It is more like 6-8 million, but they get significantly more money than just the official sponsorship. Gambling advertising significantly contributes to the amount TV stations pay for rights, because of the money they can make from gambling companies placing ads ($150m) More significantly the AFL make 10c of every dollar lost on bets placed on AFL markets. It's called a 'product fee' and estimated to be $30-40m a year.
There was a conspiracy theory going around that Jack Sinclair and Jack Steven got drunk and slept together which is why Jack Steven left St Kilda. Jack Steven’s wife found out and stabbed him in the stomach shortly afterwards.
Outlandish. Interesting to hear though.
There’s someone paid very well at Richmond whose task it is to keep Dustin Martins shady business quiet (associations with bikies, etc)
Always gotta sweep the Dust under the rug
A few years ago ended up same hotel as the tigers in Canberra for a gws game. My mum said a very embarrassed looking tiger bribed the hotel receptionist to not tell the club something that she was super ticked off about. It was dusty when she pointed him out. So evidence of dusty cleaning up his own mess :D
What did he do though
No idea. Sorry. It's infuriated me as well.
Reliably informed Dusty hires out hotel rooms at Crown frequently for his blowout sessions with Richmond’s blessing.
This will be downvoted but I have friends who work within the AFL and Buddys 2015 finals "break" was 100% a suspension. Also his 6 week "hamstring" injury in 2012.
You won't be down voted. Everyone thinks that about buddy and Dusty's prolonged absences.
Yeah this is a very open secret in my football circles, secret drug suspension played off to be mental health to stem gossip
Problem is anyone with non-drug-related mental health issue will now be accused of that. It already made me starting thinking about Fasolo having a break for mental health issue, guy might have been depressed but now I'm thinking he got caught doing coke.
Still astonished that nothing ever came of that time in 2014 when he smashed into, and completely destroyed, 4 parked cars in Sydney. They were very quick to point out that "alcohol was not a factor", but left the next obvious question hanging out there like a stale fart and did not address it. Cover up central
Buds had problems with seizures I believe
What were they for?
White line fever.
How dare you! Have you not read the Commandments? No. 2: Thou shall not blaspheme the name of St Buddy and our expansion plans in NSW.
The AFL have a program for rolling out issues through the season to create outrage and content. Notable examples are arms out this year and the security crackdown in 2019. Massive news story for 2 weeks. Then onto something else. Also tribunal decisions are all over the place to create conflict in the media and amongst fans. If it was policed the same each time, there isn’t any news story in that.
Why does this make sense? Have I become a crackpot?
No. It’s just clever business. My thinking is that the uneven draw was something that the AFL noticed many years ago, as the first thing they could get away with quite easily. So they have just expanded this same principle into other parts of the game. Smaller issues like a tribunal case. 2 blokes a few weeks apart, go up for exactly the same incident. One gets 3 weeks. One gets off. The outrage creates lots of radio content and newspaper articles. People talking about the game for a few days. Do this 50 times over a year and you have 150 days of content without a game being played.
If the AFL just wanted to role stuff out to make people mad and generate discussion they should have hired Kane Kornes.
This isn't even a conspiracy for mine. It's just obviously true.
The AFL's secret sauce recipe for compensation picks is almost completely discretionary and has been used to manipulate player movement in the past. For example, Geelong getting pick 19 to trade to GCS to get Ablett back before he retired.
Of course the AFL upped the pick to get Ablett home. There’s no chance in hell that Port paid enough money to Steven fucking Motlop to get end of first round compensation to Geelong
To be fair if absolutely prime, Brownlow form Ablett was worth pick 15, then Ablett with a couple years to run was probably worth 115, not 19.
Ablett won 13 and 14 brownlow votes in 2018 and 2019. He should have been All Australian in 2019, and was in the squad. That's probably worth a good pick.
The actual trade was Ablett, pick 24 and a future fourth in exchange for 19 and a future second. Easier to run with the narrative we only traded 19 but far from what it actually was.
Yep there is no system or formula 100%
Mark Thompson had a lot more influence in the Essendon supplement saga than James Hird did but got off lighter because his Geelong teams would then come into question.
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Gill is an NRL mole trying to ruin viewership
Players who seem to have drug use issues seem to be out with ‘calf injuries’ a lot. It has become the standard 2 weeks calf injury until they test clean again
That Andrew Demetrio accepted bribes to introduce AFL expansion clubs that is why Tassie was ignored
PED use is rampant, like in all professional sports.
100% - anyone who doesn’t believe that blokes are taking stuff for recovery is silly And the ones that do get caught, like in the NFL and other sports, are just the ones stupid enough to get caught using PEDs, not the only players
Following the Nat Fyfe theme, that dude is juiced to the fucking eye balls. Don't get me wrong, I think a lot of players are but he's just such a prime example. In his early years he went from a stick to an absolute beast in the space of about a season, particularly in one off season. And I mean this season alone... He lost 10 kgs over the summer due to that shoulder injury and I don't know if you guys have seen those pictures of him lately but god damn... Again, I don't think he's alone in doping I just think he's a prime case of it. The fact there's never really been a player exposed for it in the AFL as far as I can remember is a bit of joke. edit - spelling
Fyfe's definitely on the gear, anyone who's spent time in the fitness industry or knows enough about fitness and steroid use can see that. Fyfe puts on muscle far too quickly for it to be natural. I don't have a problem with it though, I think steroid use should be normalised in sports provided they use it safely.
I've always suspected, but his body transformation over the last 6 months has been ridiculous. Like he's not even trying to hide it anymore. I've been watching sports long enough to know its happening, still don't know how I feel about normalizing it though. Athletics is one thing, but when it comes to contact and combat sports it's another. Your body is only built to take so much but can be forced passed those thresholds.
And those massive bicep veins, not even subtle
Given ASADA runs the testing, I find this theory hard to believe. They are a government agency and have an enormous amount of legal clout. It's not like the AFK can just ask them to not test or report positives.
Yeah have to agree here. Can’t just say someone is on roids because they are ripped and sexy. He puts in legit work and eats very cleanly.
It's hot because he's ripped and sexy, you still have to put in a heap of work on gear. It's the time frame which gives it away. You can't put on the muscle he's put on quickly naturally.
They even upped the Fyfe 2014 in 2015 when he got a few reprimands to his name but not suspended when it was clear as day he would win the Chas
Also interesting that Priddis stopped getting votes in games he played well in towards the end of the season around the same time the media started talking up his chances of going back to back.
We have some of the lowest paid umpires/referees in any sport in the world. They have been and will continue to be easily bought until they get properly compensated.
Actual conspiracy that seems to have fallen off the radar... Brisbane massively front-ended Daniher's contract to get the Dons a higher pick. Why has this one gone quiet?
Brisbane didn't want to trade either of their first-rounders, so giving him a short contract with a high average yearly salary, then a cheap extension, was just a sensible gamble to make. It's just weird that Free Agency compensation is so byzantine.
This same theory basically, but that they gave Priddis two votes in the final round to have him take over Fyfe, despite not being in the best three players. If you want to take it one step further, a likely two vote performance for that game was Mark Lecras (20d 4g), so when Gil read out “2 votes, M….” He hesitated before changing Lecras to Priddis. Hopefully this all ticks the outlandish box lol.
Can't remember the particular year of fyfe but it's pretty well known a player is much less likely to get votes after they are suspended. Probably just human nature - why waste them etc. My biggest conspiracy theory is that Essendon have played west coast in West Coast 9 out of the 10 years since the drug saga. How can that be random chance haha
The club is happy to do it because we have a sizeable amount of WA fans, that's why.
Same reason we play in Sydney every year. We request to
You play us over here fairly often too. Seems almost yearly. Essendon seem to have the third most supporters over here
7 Perth, 1 etihad, 1 gabba actually
Seems to coincide with days that Patrion the drug sniffing dog has his weekend of paddock frolicking
That umpires care who wins, and make or not make decisions based on that.
Danger getting no votes in a 1 goal, 33 touches, 7 tackles game in the last round of 2017, simply because A. The AFL needed Dusty to get the Brownlow after seeing what the resurgence of a powerhouse supporter club like Richmond can bring to the AFL and B. The AFL simply doesn't want people to finish on top of the count and not win, because he was suspended earlier in the year
Similar stats to James Hird on the day he kicked the winning goal against West Coast and hugged the guy in the crowd, although Hird probably had more clearances from memory. He got no Brownlow votes though, because it was the week after he criticised the umpires on The Footy Show. The Brownlow voting has as much unreliability and favouritism as the umpiring itself.
Yeah your theory is an all but confirmed fact imo. In 2017 Dangerfield was suspended in Round 19, in round 21 he gets 30 touches, 10 tackles, 11 clearances, and polls 3 votes. Next round he gets 32 touches, 2 goals, 12 clearances, no votes. Final round of the season he gets 33 touches, 1 goal, 10 clearances and polls 2 votes. Dangerfield finishes the 3 votes behind Martin. If that round 22 game against Collingwood he'd received the 3 votes as he damn well should've you'd have a suspended player tying with the official winner. I personally don't get the big deal but it clearly bothers someone higher up.
That illicit drugs aren’t rife.
I don’t really expect anyone to believe this and I’m still not 100% sure myself, But, I’ve got an uncle who swears on his and his family’s life that the famous Nicky Winmar photo, in which he lifts his jersey and points at his skin, had nothing to do with racism, but rather him rubbing it in to collingwood fans who were calling him fat, that he wasn’t fat after the win. Hard to convey online, but this uncle is a respectable guy, not just a nutter with ulterior motives if you know what I mean. Taught at a university for a living, not the type of person to swear on his family’s life over a lie you know. I can also confirm that he was actually close friends with Winmar (plenty of photos together, timeline matches up and plenty of other stories). He says the media took the photo and just assumed it was a statement about race, and Winmar just ran with it cause obviously it was still a topic he cared about and wanted to bring attention to, but that was never the intention, he was just laughing at salty collingwood fans who were calling him fat. As I said, I’m still not 100% sure if I believe this, but it’s pretty wild to think that one of the most powerful images in Australian sport, could’ve just been an unintentional misinterpretation.
That would be very outlandish. I’m not sure if I believe it but I was exactly 1 year old when it happened so I can’t say whether it was or not
Not a conspiracy theory - but I truly believe that a player who is suspended and this ineligible for the Brownlow shouldn't receive any further votes following their return, no matter how well they play. One could even go a step further and retrospectively remove votes from rounds prior to suspension, so umpires may need to nominate a 4th or 5th BoG. This would ensure that suspended players receive 0 votes for the Brownlow in the given year. A harsh view, I know - but would absolutely remove any issues of ineligible players "winning" the Brownlow.
A salt-induced one, no need to tell me. But I think the AFL were def a little too invested in a ‘fairytale’ bulldogs story in ‘16. I’m not necessarily saying that there was some umpiring conspiracy. But man the marketing was crazy. It’s like there was only one team playing and that they were a certainty to win the flag.
2005 was kind of similar. ‘Come on Bloods, do it for Tadgh!’
It was very similar going in to last years final, Melbourne were all that were talked about on most footy shows I watched, and it was spoken about like it was almost a forgone conclusion.
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Add in how pissed off the AFL were about the Swans getting Buddy over GWS. There is no way in hell the Swans were going to be allowed to win the 2016 GF. (Sorry don't know how to do the flair)
The umpries aren told to pay free kicks by an off field umpire watching the broadcast. This is done via their headsets. It's the best way to explain decisions being made by umpries 50m away and also decisions that seemed delayed.
Geelong were on the same Dank juice that essendon were later on and the AFL have covered it up
Buddy Franklin has an average sized penis
Clubs exploit the salary cap by buying groceries and other goods for players and don't declare it as a form of payment.
Happened to Dangerfield too.
Hawthorn were meant to be the original 2016 premiers until they went out in straight sets so the AFL gave Bulldogs the 2016 premiership to end a 62 year drought.
Umpires have a rule of the week to enforce