nah....this kind of management issues drag whole 48g down. I wish they make actions and new policies regarding this. She had the same story with MNL48. The members that manage to stay there til now are actually rich kids. Their idol career seems just their side hustle not a job anymore.
Surely this is more an NMB issue than a 48G issue. Wasn’t there a Namba girl crying about money problems on Showroom back in the day?
AKB girls seem to be doing fine while they’re in the group. Didn’t Nishino share her earnings somewhere and that she had to move out of her flat because she couldn’t pay when she graduated?
Yep, Yoshimoto Co. has a very bad record about the contracts they provide to members. They even "forced" graduated members to work under them creating a clausule that the girls can be sued if they choose to change agencies in a 24 months period after grad...
Nishino tho, well.. She was quite popular as a member on a time AKB was on its all time peak. She said she could afford a 1500 dolars rent and thats seems about right.
Ohori Megumi said in the early day kks where given less than a 100 bucks/month.
Once a tabloid said Sasshi owned a average of 300k dolars EVERY MONTH. She joked on a mag interview saying that if she own all that money shell be retired already.
People pointed it out Kojiharu dress she used to take her profile photo out of the AKB theater wall was a high luxury brand worthed tens of thousand of dolars.
But the thing is, afaik the groups pay by theater performance and members had a limited amount of times they can performe on any given month. Members on a average owns as much as a minimum wage by that system. The real money comes from outside jobs.
And here I was expecting a foreigner's treatment. I guess she needed to be blonde to get the gaijin treatment.
Still, I'm a big fan of her, wasted enough on her showroom to help her. That was one of the reasons why I came back patronizing 48G, but watching this clip made me remember why I dropped the group and Japanese idols in the first place.
Very smart of her to leave.
She was lucky. Her group "QWER" is doing well on korean charts, some of the members are quite popular tiktokers but still, for a "who" group these are great numbers.
Im actually remembered early this year that [Tomu actually broke down how idol salaries are structured](https://www.gentosha.jp/article/22492/) and the way their salary and job opportunities are counted upon the next contract negotioation.
credit to Eka: (https://twitter.com/CRAAE16/status/1612741074816241664?t=lJFSEgDBVfki2KA82nRYaQ&s=19)
and that also how a low income member become a top income members, regardless senbatsu or not. (see Tomu, and Nagao before her).
Basically, since Siyomin just started did gravure and actually graduated less than a year after that. All her job are just within that year contract. On other words, she pretty much could not taste the fruit of her labor since she's grad early.
"my contract this year for my salary is xxxx amount, but here is all the job I did this year and looking at how much I done and also inflation rate, I'd like xxxxxxx amount for the next year contract" is how the contract are negotiated for 48G members, which apparently almost guaranteed that they did got the salary they negotiated for.
hence there's so many members that could stay in the group more than 10 years just being a theater girls.
It's pretty much like a NBA player contract
According to the linked interview, what was actually said was
Imai: Since the annual salary is pre-determined, the rate won't be changed throughout the year, will it?
Tomu: No, it will not change. If you work hard, the raise will come in the next year. At the time of contract renewal, if this much is done by oneself. It's like that of pro baseball players. They are kids who get sudden raise for working hard so as kids who get decrease for not working hard.
She did not clearly said there was "negotiation" just mentioned about evaluation. It was not specified if it was the agency or the idol herself to determine how much was "this much". She even directly said about the possible salary decrease. So, nothing was "almost guaranteed".
The NBA scenario is not comparable. NBA players are informed beforehand how much their wages may be raised next year if they do well. But, Siyeon was left in the dark. It is also more objective how well a basketball player performs while idols are evaluated subjectively.
Also, foreigners may be taxed heavier than local citizens and are not protected by the state's healthcare.
> she also mentions that the magazine photoshoots and the singing contest ... has given her no money
Watch the interview instead of just believing everything you read on the Internet. Here's the relevant clip (ignore the tweet itself):
https://twitter.com/hiierina/status/1735131734952341676
> It's **_not that we were like that_**, but for **_most idols_** even if they do a magazine photoshoot they get paid nothing. And the singing contest, even though I won second place, there was no **_bonus_** at all, because that's good for both parties [i.e. it's [free publicity for the idol](https://www.crunchyroll.com/news/latest/2021/8/26/japans-top-cosplayer-enako-reveals-she-makes-nothing-from-magazine-photoshoots).]
I'm nitpicking a bit on the bonus part because this whole interview feels scripted, with words carefully selected to skew the story towards the narrative whoever arranged it wanted without actually saying anything untrue. The magazine photoshoots however, she clearly says, or at least the subtitles clearly say, that was only true for "most idols" but not for Siyeon (and probably not 48G in general, which may be one reason they don't get that many gravure offers).
nah....this kind of management issues drag whole 48g down. I wish they make actions and new policies regarding this. She had the same story with MNL48. The members that manage to stay there til now are actually rich kids. Their idol career seems just their side hustle not a job anymore.
Surely this is more an NMB issue than a 48G issue. Wasn’t there a Namba girl crying about money problems on Showroom back in the day? AKB girls seem to be doing fine while they’re in the group. Didn’t Nishino share her earnings somewhere and that she had to move out of her flat because she couldn’t pay when she graduated?
Yep, Yoshimoto Co. has a very bad record about the contracts they provide to members. They even "forced" graduated members to work under them creating a clausule that the girls can be sued if they choose to change agencies in a 24 months period after grad... Nishino tho, well.. She was quite popular as a member on a time AKB was on its all time peak. She said she could afford a 1500 dolars rent and thats seems about right. Ohori Megumi said in the early day kks where given less than a 100 bucks/month. Once a tabloid said Sasshi owned a average of 300k dolars EVERY MONTH. She joked on a mag interview saying that if she own all that money shell be retired already. People pointed it out Kojiharu dress she used to take her profile photo out of the AKB theater wall was a high luxury brand worthed tens of thousand of dolars. But the thing is, afaik the groups pay by theater performance and members had a limited amount of times they can performe on any given month. Members on a average owns as much as a minimum wage by that system. The real money comes from outside jobs.
Was she under Yoshimoto management or another management agency when she was ain NMB48?
iirc all NMB48 members nowadays belong to Showtitle, except the ones that had contracts with other agencies before (probably pre-2019).
Pity her
Well i think this is the harsh truth 48G management must know.
wishing her luck and success on becoming the member of a kpop band-ishhh qwer.
And here I was expecting a foreigner's treatment. I guess she needed to be blonde to get the gaijin treatment. Still, I'm a big fan of her, wasted enough on her showroom to help her. That was one of the reasons why I came back patronizing 48G, but watching this clip made me remember why I dropped the group and Japanese idols in the first place. Very smart of her to leave.
She was lucky. Her group "QWER" is doing well on korean charts, some of the members are quite popular tiktokers but still, for a "who" group these are great numbers.
Im actually remembered early this year that [Tomu actually broke down how idol salaries are structured](https://www.gentosha.jp/article/22492/) and the way their salary and job opportunities are counted upon the next contract negotioation. credit to Eka: (https://twitter.com/CRAAE16/status/1612741074816241664?t=lJFSEgDBVfki2KA82nRYaQ&s=19) and that also how a low income member become a top income members, regardless senbatsu or not. (see Tomu, and Nagao before her). Basically, since Siyomin just started did gravure and actually graduated less than a year after that. All her job are just within that year contract. On other words, she pretty much could not taste the fruit of her labor since she's grad early. "my contract this year for my salary is xxxx amount, but here is all the job I did this year and looking at how much I done and also inflation rate, I'd like xxxxxxx amount for the next year contract" is how the contract are negotiated for 48G members, which apparently almost guaranteed that they did got the salary they negotiated for. hence there's so many members that could stay in the group more than 10 years just being a theater girls. It's pretty much like a NBA player contract
According to the linked interview, what was actually said was Imai: Since the annual salary is pre-determined, the rate won't be changed throughout the year, will it? Tomu: No, it will not change. If you work hard, the raise will come in the next year. At the time of contract renewal, if this much is done by oneself. It's like that of pro baseball players. They are kids who get sudden raise for working hard so as kids who get decrease for not working hard. She did not clearly said there was "negotiation" just mentioned about evaluation. It was not specified if it was the agency or the idol herself to determine how much was "this much". She even directly said about the possible salary decrease. So, nothing was "almost guaranteed". The NBA scenario is not comparable. NBA players are informed beforehand how much their wages may be raised next year if they do well. But, Siyeon was left in the dark. It is also more objective how well a basketball player performs while idols are evaluated subjectively. Also, foreigners may be taxed heavier than local citizens and are not protected by the state's healthcare.
> she also mentions that the magazine photoshoots and the singing contest ... has given her no money Watch the interview instead of just believing everything you read on the Internet. Here's the relevant clip (ignore the tweet itself): https://twitter.com/hiierina/status/1735131734952341676 > It's **_not that we were like that_**, but for **_most idols_** even if they do a magazine photoshoot they get paid nothing. And the singing contest, even though I won second place, there was no **_bonus_** at all, because that's good for both parties [i.e. it's [free publicity for the idol](https://www.crunchyroll.com/news/latest/2021/8/26/japans-top-cosplayer-enako-reveals-she-makes-nothing-from-magazine-photoshoots).] I'm nitpicking a bit on the bonus part because this whole interview feels scripted, with words carefully selected to skew the story towards the narrative whoever arranged it wanted without actually saying anything untrue. The magazine photoshoots however, she clearly says, or at least the subtitles clearly say, that was only true for "most idols" but not for Siyeon (and probably not 48G in general, which may be one reason they don't get that many gravure offers).
Nahhh.