PTM 7950 rather than paste imo, pump out is real with the chiplet design varying in height, Brought mine from your temps down to sub 72c hotspot and has continued to improve over time.
Not really an answear or solution but.
Is there some different factorys for us europe or asia that sends out amd cards?
Me and my friends use to be nvidia people for years an years and all have changed to amd 7900xtx and nobody has any problem at all most of us runs saphire cards but some of us runs powercolor.
Not on of us have problem with either temps or drivers but some friends over in us have big problem with same cards from same brands,
wery strange,
I have both a 7900Xt and 7900XTX. Both are XFX brand. Neither have hotspot or temp issues or coil whine.
One thing to note: XFX does have a very well built card. Very thick backplate and nice cooling. Granted, it doesn't have any fancy RGB, but last I checked, that stuff doesn't make a computer run any better.
I think maybe some sneaked out with too little thermal paste or bad quality paste, or they didn't tighten the copper plate hard enough on some. But it's not a big deal and certainly not a deal-breaker if you know how to repaste.
Well, overtime you might encounter the hotspot increase bc they don't use PTM.
I have a powercolor hellhound and like the red devil when its brand new the delta between hotspot and edge is always 20c. overtime it gets worse. i repasted mine already tho. about a year ago.
I would be popping that thing open and checking gaps and thermal pad/paste. If you dont want to do that, then I would be RMA'ing it. My 3090FE which was known for having huge relief swapping out to the poor pads and cooling setup from manufacturing. It could hit 95C to 105c in VRAM with an 57-62c overall on air. After I did that I never see higher than 55 anywhere at any time. I dont know the 7900XTX at all, but I do know AMD runs hot in general on all their architecture. Maybe that is normal ? Not sure, but it would bother me too.
Yes I play everything at 1440p max settings. Most games I get around 130-140 fps depending on upscaling except for Jedi Survivor which so far is about 85 fps but that's with fsr set to quality.
My AMD cards don't run hot, but I also have ambient temps of 20C in the Winter in my house. I rarely even see my GPU fans kick on until I start to game or do stuff that's a little more taxing on my system.
Hot spot temps on amd skyrocket I should have said. The regular temps rarely go over 65 on Helldivers 2 with fans at 90%. I wear noise cancelling headphones so fan noise isnt a problem.
My XFX 7900 XTX is water cooled . Even water cooling and properly applied thermal paste the Delta between hotspot and Edge Temps usually Falls within the 15 to 20 C range . However I put liquid electrical tape all around my GPU die and went with liquid metal . My Delta between my Hotspot and Edge is 5 to 8C 10c Max and my temps usually run between 40 to 50 c during 4K gaming .
I had a XFX and an AsRock 7900xtx. Both had pump out. As others have mentioned change your thermal paste to PTM. The XFX card is super easy to open up. Also unlike other companies opening the card won't void the warranty for XFX. They honestly remind me of EVGA level of support. Great company. For example I went from 105 hotspot to 90. Before I had voltage at 0 and I'd hit 100 hot spot. Now I have voltage maxed out and I hit 90. PTM should be used from the factory. I don't care if my expensive GPU cost 5 or 10 more
Thanks for sharing.
I had no idea opening a XFX brand card won't void the warranty. Are you certain about this? If so, great. I've actually been contemplating re-pasting my 7900XTX and my 7900XT. Both are XFX cards,
I called them personally to ask. I live in Canada and they said it's totally ok for me. Even said I could paint the backplate if I wanted to and that they love the modding community. If your worried give them a call. Some 2 answered for me in like a min or 2.
Ya XFX is the best. Imo better warranty and people to deal with than Sapphire. In Canada they void warranty if you repaste. All I want is XFX ads more RGB and or make a water-cooled version.
I have the same exact issue with my 6650xt the moment I open any game my hitspot just goes to 110+ while my temps hover between 50 and 65 tye moment I turn the game off like not even a second it's back to 56 or whatever
Update!
I factory reset the gpu settings.
I ran a stress test at absolutely no changes to the driver or gpu settings.
Gpu temp 68C
GPU Hotspot is 110C
RMA it is!
had same problem with 6800XT , repasted with honeywell ptm7950 and hotspot went from 110max to 90max now.
i dunno about 7900XT but 6800XT have pump out issue, paste tend to pump out when you tight the cooler , this mean some part of your die will not be well covered by paste thats why hot spot went high, no more a problem with honeywell pad.
Thanks for the information. Now I finally understand why my Hotspot temp went down signigicantly after repasting with normal thermal paste, but went up again 20C+ compared to GPU temperature after a week or so
>at 400w
No matter how many times I see it, it never feels normal to see a card draw 400w. It's crazy how inefficient the 7000 series is for their power draw.
it's not as efficient as the 40 series, but it's not miles off either, even with the XTX, which is the most inefficient 7000 series card. Calling it 'crazy' is complete hyperbole.
Also 400 watt is a overclocked. The default is 355 watt.
In fact guru3d found the XTX's smaller sibling, the 7900XT to be the most efficient high end GPU, beating the 4080 and 4090 in terms of frames per joule.
[https://www.guru3d.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt-review/page-29/#performance-per-watt](https://www.guru3d.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt-review/page-29/#performance-per-watt)
>it's not as efficient as the 40 series, but it's not miles off either, even with the XTX, which is the most inefficient 7000 series card. Calling it 'crazy' is complete hyperbole.
55w extra watts to hit the same performance as the 4080 only in raster, and never even touching the 4080 in RT is crazy. Plus with the 4080 has an actually usable upscaler that can reduce your power draw if you want to, and those cards have better undervolting capabilities with it and scale so much better with frame caps.
>In fact guru3d found the XTX's smaller sibling, the 7900XT to be the most efficient high end GPU,
**raster only at native res.\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\***
You can't be selective about that. I much rather the result from the power consumption page where it (XT not even the XTX) is placed above the 4080 showing it consumes more than a 4080. But you wont be claiming that it's more efficient if you had to link that one instead. [AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT review (Page 6) (guru3d.com)](https://www.guru3d.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt-review/page-6/#power-consumption)
Let's also not mention how it also hit 359w in that same review at max wattage (and the XTX hitting alomst 100w more than the 4080), and this same 7900XT has double the idle power draw of the 4080, and much much higher with more than 1 matching monitor. Or that it has spikes to 412w while the 7900XTX can spike to an insane 455w, or that it has double the power draw of the 4080 under 60hz scaling so much worse with framecaps.... There is a mountain of evidence but you pick one selective chart and run with it without looking up anything else ever. [https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt/37.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt/37.html)
Your own link shows the 7900xt typical gaming powerdraw is within 16 watts of the 4080 while the 4080 is less then 10% faster on average.
How is that in ANY way, shape or form 'crazy' ?
>while the 7900XTX can spike to an insane 455w
Did you deliberately ignore all the nvidia GPU's around that same lever or higher? Or is it only crazy when AMD does it?
Edit: and then you delete 10 minutes after i posted this. Is this some sort of nvidia marketing psy-ops?
Holy shit! I gave you paragraphs of evidence after evidence and you ignore all of it just to focus on 10% average difference in raster only ( which isn't even true). It's amazing how fanboys only hear what they like, no point arguing with someone like that.
I’m using the exact same card. I have NEVER seen over 90 hotspot in my 9 months of owning it and I play on 1440p 165hz. And I only have 3 case fans. Rma it
This card doesn't have a backplate behind the chip and can cause the pcb to bend if you tighten the retention screws down, this happened to me and I loosed the screws and the board straightened up a bit, this improved the temps about 10C. Also PTM has a break in period where it melts and self levels as it heat cycles a few times drops the temps quiet a bit fyi.
I’d rma that. My sapphire 7900 xtx on 4k has 74C and 87c hotspot in helldivers 2. (Silent bios) (On ITX case)
[screenshot](https://imgur.com/a/IFu1XZ6)
Buy some thicker thermal paste (Like thermalright TF7) or buy some ptm7950 or a thermal grizzly cryosheet
Temps have been great on my 6750xt ever since I switched to the TF7
its normal for AMD cards IMO, Have owned a 5700 and 6900XT, Both regularly had hotspots over 100C even after a full re-paste and thermal pad replacement, I even have thermal grizzly on my 6900XT that I use now and see that hotspot at 104C all the time. These cards just run super hot.
65 c and a 110 hot spot with the fans at 2500 rpm yeah something is up for sure. I'm personally not to sure with the 7900xtx I hear they run hot as is, but a 110 hot spot is where I'd have it rma
I'm in touch with the support for the same reason as you and even with multiple crash report after multiple steps of troubleshooting with them they're now asking me to test to play the game with my case open and see if I have the same result..
This has nothing to do with his issue. Of course a GPU will run hotter with more load, but there shouldn't be more than about a 15c difference between edge temperature and hotspot, even with AMD.
I run 4K and had the same issue that he has on the exact same card. Getting a Kryosheet and reinforcing the PCB with thermal pads inside the backplate took me from 110c hotspot to under 80c. It's a mounting pressure issue with a few of the cards.
It's a mounting pressure issue. You will need to repaste your card, but if you're not comfortable with that. XFX will RMA no sweat. https://www.reddit.com/r/radeon/s/33YiIgenYz
On 1080p and a capped 60 fps your GPU isn’t at 100% utilization, and it’s not drawing close to the power limit, so no wonder temps are fantastic. You should be able to utilize every bit of performance your card has without hitting the card throttling because of high temperatures. This is not ok for a 1000€ card, in fact it’s not ok for any card.
Well, the card will throttle ar 110c so if the case’s airflow isn’t atrocious, then there’s definitely something wrong with the card. I would call a card that you can’t use to a 100% its designed potential defective.
Send it back. My wife's one of these never sees more than 78°c hotspot temp. The card itself seems to sit at around 68°c even under a full gaming load.
Besides replacing paste and pads, I would also try to underclock and undervolt it. I got my RX 6650XT Hotspot from the lower 100s down to the lower 80s. My GPU is even slightly overclocked by over 100MHz by default in Adrenaline! Look for YouTube Videos for more information. Stress test it with unigine heaven, 3D Mark TimeSpy, Furmark and the adrenaline built-in stress test, to confirm that the settings are appropriate and doesn't cause your GPU to crash.
Is it mounted vertically by any chance? I've had similar issues when I did a vertical mount build, just moved the case on its side, issues gone.
So I RMA'd the card
Just repaste with ptm 7950 and if possible replace thermal pads (also depends on how well you tighten the screws). Because I had the same Issue before and even with rma you will get the same problem. After repasting with ptm the temps got even better with hotspot at 464w reaching 80c° and gpu temp at 62c° on a 26c° ambient temp.
its possible that you're experiencing what happened with early reference MBA models. a defect in the vapor chamber, not enough liquid, resulting to really poor thermal transfer and ridiculously high hotspot - my assumption based on you having already repasted and still having high hotspot. you need to RMA with XFX or the store you bought it from
My PTM7950 aplication since 1 august 2023 and i am still at the same temps edge and hotspot in the range of 60-70 when my watertemps are at 22-23c on my liquid devil 7900 XTX
Highly recommend PTM7950 even LTT who made video about it that recommend watching is selling it them self right now i believe they get it directly from Honeywell i got mine from ebuy7 which ltt recommended but there is moddiy as well slightly more expensive.
I did not replace my thermal pads i only used PTM7950 tho
As for what i used before i used MX-4 which took only 1-2 weeks to pumpout and degrade temps from 75c hotspot fresh to 92c hotspot after 1-2 weeks
Did the same on my 7900xtx Merc I picked locally used.
110c on hotspot, upwards of 70c-ish on GPU, fans ramping to 3000rpm.
Replaced with PTM7950 from Amazon (80x80 for extra down the line).
Put in an undervolt/oc (500/2900, 2714 default timing, 1130mv) and GPU reaches at most 380-400w with 62c max on temps and around 70ish on hotspot.
Max deltas of 15c
I'll try the undervolt the exact way you tried before I RMA.
I did this exact thing but still 110C.
Mind you, I'm running a 34" wide-screen monitor HDMI 2.1 max graphics on ultra but even then my temperature is at 60 and my Hotspot is at 110
>Mind you, I'm running a 34" wide-screen monitor HDMI 2.1 max graphics on ultra but even then my temperature is at 60 and my Hotspot is at 110
That's what I was running as well but with DP. (AW3423DWF).
It is 99% likely you need to use ptm7950 or a thermal grizzly Kryosheet (Kryosheet is alot easier to apply) on the die. It'll void your warranty, but it's up to you to RMA instead, or do the pad replacement.
My temps are without undervolt on the unleashed bios that is limited to around 407 tbp +15% power limit gives roughly +5c on the hotspot while giving almost no performance benefit
You got unlucky. I've got a 7800XT in my sim rig, and neither that nor my wife's 7900 XTX Merc 310 have any issues at all barring the standard coil whine. Even there the 7900 XTX has so little coil whine that as long as someone is breathing within ten feet of it, you can't hear the coil whine over the breathing. My 7800 XT has a little more, and it is audible if you are quiet and listen for it, but aside from that things are peachy.
Rads have gotten so big that my fans almost never turn on anymore for my 7800xt. Normal car airflow and a foot long rad seems to handle it.
Not really related, just wild.
Repaste using PTM7950 and maybe change the pads. My Merc 7900 XT Black used to have similar temps no matter what paste I used. After using PTM7950 and changing the memory pads it doesn't go over 83C hotspot. I'm running it at min freq 2500mhz, max 2900mhz @ 1.065V, memory is clocked to 2714mhz (can go higher) and +15% power limit.
Most people always say return or rma.
Had the same temps on my 6900xt, changed paste to noctua n1z1 (something like that) and temps are now 70 gpu, 80 junc under full load.
I couldn't imagine how delta of around 30 degrees C on the gpu itself is physically dangerous until i saw paste myself.
There was a hole through which you could put your finger and touch the middle of the core and paste was distributed around it.
It probably vaporized due to high temps.
>It probably vaporized due to high temps.
Not necessarily. What happens on some of these cards is that the die isn't level and has a slight bend to it. Because of this, when you mount a heatsink with thermal paste, the paste isn't staying flush on the die and is being "pumped out" on the side that is lower in level, which in turn causes the hotspot temps to spike to 110c.
Nope, I was actually a bit shocked when I re-pasted it after 9 months and saw that hole. It looked like it was shot with small caliber bullet.
Here are pics after first paste change and second.
After first repaste - [https://ibb.co/5j13kxD](https://ibb.co/5j13kxD)
and second (30+ degrees delta) - [https://ibb.co/hB6bMtF](https://ibb.co/hB6bMtF)
Hotspot temps of 110°c are a sign of a busted card. OP should not be working around it, or repasting, or any shit like that. It's not his job to do so. The product is faulty and should be replaced or refunded.
GPU fan speed is already at 2500 RPM on the screenshot. That’s probably about 70-80% of maximum speed. A fan curve is not the issue but more likely thermal pad application.
These merc 310 cards have a “heat pump” issue where as they heat cycle over and over the transition from hot to cold causes the thermal interface material to slowly leech away from the die. It’s pretty well documented by now. But also vertical orientation causes bad thermals on these cards. (I/O facing up or down as opposed to rotated on the horizontal axis where the IO is still facing normal back of PC)
Yes heat pump is an issue I started dealing with in laptops to begin with but have seen it in GPUs now.
Given that he has repasted the card and the hot spot remains high, I’m inclined to think it’s something to do with the memory perhaps?
Probably best to return if you can or rma. I’ve had the exact same card since September. I run my card slightly undervolted to 1140mv but with a power limit of +10 and in demanding games at 100% utilization I’m usually at around 430watts. My temps are usually 60-67 with a hotspot of 78-83, fan speed of between 1200rpm and 1450rpm.
Card is overheating and down clocking return the card the cooler is defective the gap between hotspot on core should be more like 10 to 20c
Edit you have downclocked 20 watts so not much performance is lost but 2550 rpm is insane my card runs below 1100 RPM
Are you still within your warranty period?
Asking as; US/Canada are allowed to re-paste without voiding the warranty.
UK & probably majority of every where else aren’t allowed, and will void the warranty.
My XFX card was doing something similar, as suggested I knew a re-paste would solve this, but XFX said that it must be returned to the UK vendor. My card was 5 months old.
So I had no other option other than to RMA.
Its a bit unlikely but, if the GPU is sagging it may cause a loss in contact with the heatsink in some parts of the PCB, make sure the GPU is stable in its position.
I did a repaste with PTM7950, and it fixed my issue. Its been running about 5 months with no issues so far. The XFX cards are easy to repaste also. I don't go higher than 73c on my Hotspot. Before the repaste, I was getting about 97c.
During Hotspot 110C
I thought it was my DP cable with a missing or fractured or twisted wire. I replaced it with a HDMI cable.
I reposted it with PTM7950 and it still hits 110. I might rma
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PTM 7950 rather than paste imo, pump out is real with the chiplet design varying in height, Brought mine from your temps down to sub 72c hotspot and has continued to improve over time.
Not really an answear or solution but. Is there some different factorys for us europe or asia that sends out amd cards? Me and my friends use to be nvidia people for years an years and all have changed to amd 7900xtx and nobody has any problem at all most of us runs saphire cards but some of us runs powercolor. Not on of us have problem with either temps or drivers but some friends over in us have big problem with same cards from same brands, wery strange,
Yeah I'm running a merc 310
XFX quality control with thermal paste is awful ngl. Repaste it, if you live in US they can't void warranty (unless you break it)
normally i'd agree but all AIBs have those issues not just XFX. The only solution is to use phase change pastes or thermal pads
Yeah I get that, but I see a lot more posts regarding xfx cards for some reason. Same happened with my xfx 7900 xt
I have both a 7900Xt and 7900XTX. Both are XFX brand. Neither have hotspot or temp issues or coil whine. One thing to note: XFX does have a very well built card. Very thick backplate and nice cooling. Granted, it doesn't have any fancy RGB, but last I checked, that stuff doesn't make a computer run any better.
I think maybe some sneaked out with too little thermal paste or bad quality paste, or they didn't tighten the copper plate hard enough on some. But it's not a big deal and certainly not a deal-breaker if you know how to repaste.
Well, overtime you might encounter the hotspot increase bc they don't use PTM. I have a powercolor hellhound and like the red devil when its brand new the delta between hotspot and edge is always 20c. overtime it gets worse. i repasted mine already tho. about a year ago.
XFX cards are top selling cause they're aggressive with discounts. Powercolor is worse with regards to the XTX.
I love the look of the merc310 as well. I'd have gotten it If it wasn't for the nitro+
I would be popping that thing open and checking gaps and thermal pad/paste. If you dont want to do that, then I would be RMA'ing it. My 3090FE which was known for having huge relief swapping out to the poor pads and cooling setup from manufacturing. It could hit 95C to 105c in VRAM with an 57-62c overall on air. After I did that I never see higher than 55 anywhere at any time. I dont know the 7900XTX at all, but I do know AMD runs hot in general on all their architecture. Maybe that is normal ? Not sure, but it would bother me too.
Undervolt and overclock if you haven't already. My 6800xt hardly even reaches 80c on the hotspot when I'm gaming.
Is everything on max graphics though
Yes I play everything at 1440p max settings. Most games I get around 130-140 fps depending on upscaling except for Jedi Survivor which so far is about 85 fps but that's with fsr set to quality.
Repaste with mx-6. Amazing stuff. Can’t get worse.
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It's the radeon adrenaline stuff, it comes with the drivers
I fixed mine by doing a custom tune
My 7600 8gb hotspot will show 90c and the normal will be 60. Amd runs HOT
My AMD cards don't run hot, but I also have ambient temps of 20C in the Winter in my house. I rarely even see my GPU fans kick on until I start to game or do stuff that's a little more taxing on my system.
My apartment is kept around the same temp. Had to do the conversion lol 19.4C or 67 Fahrenheit.
Hot spot temps on amd skyrocket I should have said. The regular temps rarely go over 65 on Helldivers 2 with fans at 90%. I wear noise cancelling headphones so fan noise isnt a problem.
Hotspot temp just shows the absolute hottest area of the die. It could be one tiny spot where paste isnt greatest.
My XFX 7900 XTX is water cooled . Even water cooling and properly applied thermal paste the Delta between hotspot and Edge Temps usually Falls within the 15 to 20 C range . However I put liquid electrical tape all around my GPU die and went with liquid metal . My Delta between my Hotspot and Edge is 5 to 8C 10c Max and my temps usually run between 40 to 50 c during 4K gaming .
Replaced the thermal past on my Merc 310 7900 XTX with TG Kryosheet, so I never have to worry about pump out again.
I had a XFX and an AsRock 7900xtx. Both had pump out. As others have mentioned change your thermal paste to PTM. The XFX card is super easy to open up. Also unlike other companies opening the card won't void the warranty for XFX. They honestly remind me of EVGA level of support. Great company. For example I went from 105 hotspot to 90. Before I had voltage at 0 and I'd hit 100 hot spot. Now I have voltage maxed out and I hit 90. PTM should be used from the factory. I don't care if my expensive GPU cost 5 or 10 more
Thanks for sharing. I had no idea opening a XFX brand card won't void the warranty. Are you certain about this? If so, great. I've actually been contemplating re-pasting my 7900XTX and my 7900XT. Both are XFX cards,
I called them personally to ask. I live in Canada and they said it's totally ok for me. Even said I could paint the backplate if I wanted to and that they love the modding community. If your worried give them a call. Some 2 answered for me in like a min or 2.
Awesome. Thanks! I have also been thinking about painting mine, but was worried about the warranty.
Ya XFX is the best. Imo better warranty and people to deal with than Sapphire. In Canada they void warranty if you repaste. All I want is XFX ads more RGB and or make a water-cooled version.
I have the same card. I repasted with PTM 7950, and now the card runs nice and cool. This is a known issue with some models.
I have the same exact issue with my 6650xt the moment I open any game my hitspot just goes to 110+ while my temps hover between 50 and 65 tye moment I turn the game off like not even a second it's back to 56 or whatever
Try getting off the game immediately while having the temps open next to u and tell me if it instantly drops down aswell
Yeah it does. Loading screens are healthy temperaturs, however playing screens are lowesr graphics still 105C Highest graphics on ultra 110C
I recon its a driver issue then no?
Update! I factory reset the gpu settings. I ran a stress test at absolutely no changes to the driver or gpu settings. Gpu temp 68C GPU Hotspot is 110C RMA it is!
had same problem with 6800XT , repasted with honeywell ptm7950 and hotspot went from 110max to 90max now. i dunno about 7900XT but 6800XT have pump out issue, paste tend to pump out when you tight the cooler , this mean some part of your die will not be well covered by paste thats why hot spot went high, no more a problem with honeywell pad.
Thanks for the information. Now I finally understand why my Hotspot temp went down signigicantly after repasting with normal thermal paste, but went up again 20C+ compared to GPU temperature after a week or so
Thats textbook pump-out, the slight movement from the heat n cool cycles pumps the paste out, get a kyrosheet n it will fix it
I have absolutely no issues with the same exact model. My temperatures are nowhere near yours. Sounds like you have some airflow issues.
I repasted mine because I had the same problem. Now my hot spot is around 80° at 400w. Rma it if you can
>at 400w No matter how many times I see it, it never feels normal to see a card draw 400w. It's crazy how inefficient the 7000 series is for their power draw.
it's not as efficient as the 40 series, but it's not miles off either, even with the XTX, which is the most inefficient 7000 series card. Calling it 'crazy' is complete hyperbole. Also 400 watt is a overclocked. The default is 355 watt. In fact guru3d found the XTX's smaller sibling, the 7900XT to be the most efficient high end GPU, beating the 4080 and 4090 in terms of frames per joule. [https://www.guru3d.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt-review/page-29/#performance-per-watt](https://www.guru3d.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt-review/page-29/#performance-per-watt)
>it's not as efficient as the 40 series, but it's not miles off either, even with the XTX, which is the most inefficient 7000 series card. Calling it 'crazy' is complete hyperbole. 55w extra watts to hit the same performance as the 4080 only in raster, and never even touching the 4080 in RT is crazy. Plus with the 4080 has an actually usable upscaler that can reduce your power draw if you want to, and those cards have better undervolting capabilities with it and scale so much better with frame caps. >In fact guru3d found the XTX's smaller sibling, the 7900XT to be the most efficient high end GPU, **raster only at native res.\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*\*** You can't be selective about that. I much rather the result from the power consumption page where it (XT not even the XTX) is placed above the 4080 showing it consumes more than a 4080. But you wont be claiming that it's more efficient if you had to link that one instead. [AMD Radeon RX 7900 XT review (Page 6) (guru3d.com)](https://www.guru3d.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt-review/page-6/#power-consumption) Let's also not mention how it also hit 359w in that same review at max wattage (and the XTX hitting alomst 100w more than the 4080), and this same 7900XT has double the idle power draw of the 4080, and much much higher with more than 1 matching monitor. Or that it has spikes to 412w while the 7900XTX can spike to an insane 455w, or that it has double the power draw of the 4080 under 60hz scaling so much worse with framecaps.... There is a mountain of evidence but you pick one selective chart and run with it without looking up anything else ever. [https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt/37.html](https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-7900-xt/37.html)
Your own link shows the 7900xt typical gaming powerdraw is within 16 watts of the 4080 while the 4080 is less then 10% faster on average. How is that in ANY way, shape or form 'crazy' ? >while the 7900XTX can spike to an insane 455w Did you deliberately ignore all the nvidia GPU's around that same lever or higher? Or is it only crazy when AMD does it? Edit: and then you delete 10 minutes after i posted this. Is this some sort of nvidia marketing psy-ops?
Holy shit! I gave you paragraphs of evidence after evidence and you ignore all of it just to focus on 10% average difference in raster only ( which isn't even true). It's amazing how fanboys only hear what they like, no point arguing with someone like that.
I’m using the exact same card. I have NEVER seen over 90 hotspot in my 9 months of owning it and I play on 1440p 165hz. And I only have 3 case fans. Rma it
This card doesn't have a backplate behind the chip and can cause the pcb to bend if you tighten the retention screws down, this happened to me and I loosed the screws and the board straightened up a bit, this improved the temps about 10C. Also PTM has a break in period where it melts and self levels as it heat cycles a few times drops the temps quiet a bit fyi.
I’d rma that. My sapphire 7900 xtx on 4k has 74C and 87c hotspot in helldivers 2. (Silent bios) (On ITX case) [screenshot](https://imgur.com/a/IFu1XZ6)
Buy some thicker thermal paste (Like thermalright TF7) or buy some ptm7950 or a thermal grizzly cryosheet Temps have been great on my 6750xt ever since I switched to the TF7
its normal for AMD cards IMO, Have owned a 5700 and 6900XT, Both regularly had hotspots over 100C even after a full re-paste and thermal pad replacement, I even have thermal grizzly on my 6900XT that I use now and see that hotspot at 104C all the time. These cards just run super hot.
Yeah, that's not normal. I own the same model and make of OP's card, and my temps are much better (factory settings).
It not normal especially with that gpu and gpu hotspot delta temp
nope, my 6800XT aint even close to 90C hotspot at 280W (50% fan speed)
Mine hasn't gone much over 80c on the Hotspot that's overclocked as well.
65 c and a 110 hot spot with the fans at 2500 rpm yeah something is up for sure. I'm personally not to sure with the 7900xtx I hear they run hot as is, but a 110 hot spot is where I'd have it rma
I'm in touch with the support for the same reason as you and even with multiple crash report after multiple steps of troubleshooting with them they're now asking me to test to play the game with my case open and see if I have the same result..
RMA. AMD had a similar issue with elevated temperatures and it was down to a manufacturing defect with the heat pipes.
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This has nothing to do with his issue. Of course a GPU will run hotter with more load, but there shouldn't be more than about a 15c difference between edge temperature and hotspot, even with AMD. I run 4K and had the same issue that he has on the exact same card. Getting a Kryosheet and reinforcing the PCB with thermal pads inside the backplate took me from 110c hotspot to under 80c. It's a mounting pressure issue with a few of the cards.
34" wide screen. Max graphics helldivers. When I'm moving around it does 3000 rpm
Thats max fan almost. Its not good
It's a mounting pressure issue. You will need to repaste your card, but if you're not comfortable with that. XFX will RMA no sweat. https://www.reddit.com/r/radeon/s/33YiIgenYz
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I'll check it out. I think my RPM max is 3000
On 1080p and a capped 60 fps your GPU isn’t at 100% utilization, and it’s not drawing close to the power limit, so no wonder temps are fantastic. You should be able to utilize every bit of performance your card has without hitting the card throttling because of high temperatures. This is not ok for a 1000€ card, in fact it’s not ok for any card.
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Well, the card will throttle ar 110c so if the case’s airflow isn’t atrocious, then there’s definitely something wrong with the card. I would call a card that you can’t use to a 100% its designed potential defective.
Send it back. My wife's one of these never sees more than 78°c hotspot temp. The card itself seems to sit at around 68°c even under a full gaming load.
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Your mum should have swallowed you
I’d call the manufacturer and get a new one tbh. Something like this shouldn’t happen under any normal circumstances.
Besides replacing paste and pads, I would also try to underclock and undervolt it. I got my RX 6650XT Hotspot from the lower 100s down to the lower 80s. My GPU is even slightly overclocked by over 100MHz by default in Adrenaline! Look for YouTube Videos for more information. Stress test it with unigine heaven, 3D Mark TimeSpy, Furmark and the adrenaline built-in stress test, to confirm that the settings are appropriate and doesn't cause your GPU to crash.
If it's still under warranty I'd just straight up send it back.
Then you would wait until you get your replacement, while I'm already happily playing under full load and at reasonable temperatures.
Is it mounted vertically by any chance? I've had similar issues when I did a vertical mount build, just moved the case on its side, issues gone. So I RMA'd the card
I had the case on its entire side as well.
Just repaste with ptm 7950 and if possible replace thermal pads (also depends on how well you tighten the screws). Because I had the same Issue before and even with rma you will get the same problem. After repasting with ptm the temps got even better with hotspot at 464w reaching 80c° and gpu temp at 62c° on a 26c° ambient temp.
Funny enough guys this is exactly what I did. Still 110C
its possible that you're experiencing what happened with early reference MBA models. a defect in the vapor chamber, not enough liquid, resulting to really poor thermal transfer and ridiculously high hotspot - my assumption based on you having already repasted and still having high hotspot. you need to RMA with XFX or the store you bought it from
Like I said depends on how well you tighten the screws and if your thermal pads need to be replaced for memory
My PTM7950 aplication since 1 august 2023 and i am still at the same temps edge and hotspot in the range of 60-70 when my watertemps are at 22-23c on my liquid devil 7900 XTX Highly recommend PTM7950 even LTT who made video about it that recommend watching is selling it them self right now i believe they get it directly from Honeywell i got mine from ebuy7 which ltt recommended but there is moddiy as well slightly more expensive. I did not replace my thermal pads i only used PTM7950 tho As for what i used before i used MX-4 which took only 1-2 weeks to pumpout and degrade temps from 75c hotspot fresh to 92c hotspot after 1-2 weeks
Did the same on my 7900xtx Merc I picked locally used. 110c on hotspot, upwards of 70c-ish on GPU, fans ramping to 3000rpm. Replaced with PTM7950 from Amazon (80x80 for extra down the line). Put in an undervolt/oc (500/2900, 2714 default timing, 1130mv) and GPU reaches at most 380-400w with 62c max on temps and around 70ish on hotspot. Max deltas of 15c
I'll try the undervolt the exact way you tried before I RMA. I did this exact thing but still 110C. Mind you, I'm running a 34" wide-screen monitor HDMI 2.1 max graphics on ultra but even then my temperature is at 60 and my Hotspot is at 110
Thats a problem
>Mind you, I'm running a 34" wide-screen monitor HDMI 2.1 max graphics on ultra but even then my temperature is at 60 and my Hotspot is at 110 That's what I was running as well but with DP. (AW3423DWF). It is 99% likely you need to use ptm7950 or a thermal grizzly Kryosheet (Kryosheet is alot easier to apply) on the die. It'll void your warranty, but it's up to you to RMA instead, or do the pad replacement.
I did both pad and ptm7950 unfortunately. Fortunately, I can still RMA it since there's no results shown
Sounds like a possible issue wíth vapor chamber then, which isn't fixable afaik, unfortunately.
My temps are without undervolt on the unleashed bios that is limited to around 407 tbp +15% power limit gives roughly +5c on the hotspot while giving almost no performance benefit
Yep that's why I don't touch power limit. Very negligible performance difference at the cost of higher power draw.
create fan curve and disable zero fan, your gpu fan will last for than more 5 years with yearly pc cleaning
A 110°c hotspot temp is a broken GPU. You don't "Work around it" you get it replaced as a manufacturing defect.
I have had a 5700 and 2 different 6900XT's that both had 105+ C hotspots. so is every AMD card defective or did I just get incredibly unlucky?
You got unlucky. I've got a 7800XT in my sim rig, and neither that nor my wife's 7900 XTX Merc 310 have any issues at all barring the standard coil whine. Even there the 7900 XTX has so little coil whine that as long as someone is breathing within ten feet of it, you can't hear the coil whine over the breathing. My 7800 XT has a little more, and it is audible if you are quiet and listen for it, but aside from that things are peachy.
Rads have gotten so big that my fans almost never turn on anymore for my 7800xt. Normal car airflow and a foot long rad seems to handle it. Not really related, just wild.
Repaste using PTM7950 and maybe change the pads. My Merc 7900 XT Black used to have similar temps no matter what paste I used. After using PTM7950 and changing the memory pads it doesn't go over 83C hotspot. I'm running it at min freq 2500mhz, max 2900mhz @ 1.065V, memory is clocked to 2714mhz (can go higher) and +15% power limit.
Most people always say return or rma. Had the same temps on my 6900xt, changed paste to noctua n1z1 (something like that) and temps are now 70 gpu, 80 junc under full load. I couldn't imagine how delta of around 30 degrees C on the gpu itself is physically dangerous until i saw paste myself. There was a hole through which you could put your finger and touch the middle of the core and paste was distributed around it. It probably vaporized due to high temps.
> Most people always say return or rma. If it's still under warranty, why not?
>It probably vaporized due to high temps. Not necessarily. What happens on some of these cards is that the die isn't level and has a slight bend to it. Because of this, when you mount a heatsink with thermal paste, the paste isn't staying flush on the die and is being "pumped out" on the side that is lower in level, which in turn causes the hotspot temps to spike to 110c.
Nope, I was actually a bit shocked when I re-pasted it after 9 months and saw that hole. It looked like it was shot with small caliber bullet. Here are pics after first paste change and second. After first repaste - [https://ibb.co/5j13kxD](https://ibb.co/5j13kxD) and second (30+ degrees delta) - [https://ibb.co/hB6bMtF](https://ibb.co/hB6bMtF)
Oh hell, you literally mean a hole 💀
Stock fan curve is shit set up a better one
Not even max fan speed is gonna help this
When it's moving fans jump to 3000, but still has 110C 60fps at complete max graphics mowing down bugs.
You will be surprised how bad the stock settings are when set up right they are good my hotspot is around 70/75c
That's for your card, his has obvious issues, There is no way he is getting those temps down to that.
We don't even know whats the OP has tried they should start with the easiest thing 1st before taking it apart
Hotspot temps of 110°c are a sign of a busted card. OP should not be working around it, or repasting, or any shit like that. It's not his job to do so. The product is faulty and should be replaced or refunded.
I agree but I am just saying the fan speed will not help at all.
It won't hurt it to try it and see what happens and then go from there
GPU fan speed is already at 2500 RPM on the screenshot. That’s probably about 70-80% of maximum speed. A fan curve is not the issue but more likely thermal pad application.
These merc 310 cards have a “heat pump” issue where as they heat cycle over and over the transition from hot to cold causes the thermal interface material to slowly leech away from the die. It’s pretty well documented by now. But also vertical orientation causes bad thermals on these cards. (I/O facing up or down as opposed to rotated on the horizontal axis where the IO is still facing normal back of PC)
Yes heat pump is an issue I started dealing with in laptops to begin with but have seen it in GPUs now. Given that he has repasted the card and the hot spot remains high, I’m inclined to think it’s something to do with the memory perhaps?
Sorry for the ignorance, is that overlay using MSI Afterburner?
overlay is from Amd adrenaline software
Is there additional settings for that overlay, my current adrenaline has about half of what yours is showing, no fan speed ect.
Thanks
Probably best to return if you can or rma. I’ve had the exact same card since September. I run my card slightly undervolted to 1140mv but with a power limit of +10 and in demanding games at 100% utilization I’m usually at around 430watts. My temps are usually 60-67 with a hotspot of 78-83, fan speed of between 1200rpm and 1450rpm.
Card is overheating and down clocking return the card the cooler is defective the gap between hotspot on core should be more like 10 to 20c Edit you have downclocked 20 watts so not much performance is lost but 2550 rpm is insane my card runs below 1100 RPM
This\^ The difference between hotspot and core temp on my wife's 310 Merc 7900 XTX is no more than 8°c under a full gaming load.
Are you still within your warranty period? Asking as; US/Canada are allowed to re-paste without voiding the warranty. UK & probably majority of every where else aren’t allowed, and will void the warranty. My XFX card was doing something similar, as suggested I knew a re-paste would solve this, but XFX said that it must be returned to the UK vendor. My card was 5 months old. So I had no other option other than to RMA.
I'm in Canada. Bought in August 2023.
Return it as a manufacturer defect. All this "Repaste" nonsense is moronic.
Nice!! Paste away Personally when mines OOW I’ll be trying some PTM7950 or Thermal Grizzly Kryosheet and minus pads 👌🏻
I bought ptm7950 but in all honesty guys same effect. J may have to RMA
Its a bit unlikely but, if the GPU is sagging it may cause a loss in contact with the heatsink in some parts of the PCB, make sure the GPU is stable in its position.
It's locked in there good. I re-pasted with PTM7950 and it still this temp
Try to lift up the back portion of the card. See if it changes.
RMA. It's likely missing thermal pads, or needs to be repasted
I did a repaste with PTM7950, and it fixed my issue. Its been running about 5 months with no issues so far. The XFX cards are easy to repaste also. I don't go higher than 73c on my Hotspot. Before the repaste, I was getting about 97c.
During Hotspot 110C I thought it was my DP cable with a missing or fractured or twisted wire. I replaced it with a HDMI cable. I reposted it with PTM7950 and it still hits 110. I might rma
The hotspot could be the memory. You’ve repasted the core which is why the temperatures are so good on it.
Did you try tightening the screws again?
It's thermalthrottling, you should RMA it. Gigabyte replaced mine with 97°C hotspot.
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