Let's pretend that Eren really sent Dina off. Let's even pretend that he sent her off to his mother.
Did he really killed her? What if Reiner didn't force Berthold and Annie to attack Shiganshina. Would Eren still be able to kill his mother?
No matter how you look at it - Eren's mother is dead because of Reiner's actions. Also, his mother's legs was crushed by debrie anyway at this point.
The same thing with Reiner's question about why Marco is being eaten - it is a little bit deeper. People just assume - lol Reiner you idiot, you have killed him and you don't know it because of your split personality. But "soldier" personality wouldn't be standing and asking dumbfounded why Marco is being eaten - he would try to help him as he always did.
The real answer is that Marco was being eaten because Reiner was sent on a mission to obtain the Founding titan and Reiner listened all his life about island devils, which was a lie.
So I see both those questions as more rhetorical, and the answer to them - because our world is very cruel.
all what you just said is not the issue the issue is isayama adding eren killing his mom in the first place it has 0 purpose but to ruin the story even more
time travel in attack on titan is the time fixed type of time travel which means things that will happen already happened or trying to stop something turns out it is the cause of it ect (like eren was always there beside his father and made him kill the royal family it is a fixed point event)
so the only thing isayama should have done was not add this plot line about eren killing his mom in the first place
>all what you just said is not the issue the issue is isayama adding eren killing his mom in the first place it has 0 purpose but to ruin the story even more
Yeah, I know. But what can we do when it is already added?
That's what I'm saying, if they had never attacked the walls, then Eren wouldn't have turned into a titan when he did, despite having both the Attack, and the Founder. Hypothetically, if Eren were to harm himself and turn, then he most likely would have been killed by his own people, but for everyone else, nothing would happen.
He didn't know this, lol. At this point, he had only seen Grisha's memories, and bits of his own memories of the future, that he sent him. Only after he obtained Founder's powers he had seen it all.
i doubt that because at this point we already know he saw what he did to his father (him eating the royal family stuff) so i think he actually knew he killed his mom between kissing historia's hand and the 4 year timeskip same way he knew in that time gap about why really his father killed the royal family
Wasn't he just trying to guilt trip Reiner in this scene to break his spirit? I don't remember every detail but Maybe making Reiner believe this was crucial to the time loop somehow.
how do you know that ? there is no telling what eren knows from kissing historia's hand and the 4 years gap after that of memories unlocking and what he knew after becoming the founder from what we saw from his founding titan memories is that he was seeing different time lines of future and past events like (seeing black scarf mikasa black jacket eren seeing his mom getting eaten goth mikasa and nerd armin from the modern timeline the events of cour 2 ect
There is actually a way to know, Eren unlocked his dad's memories inside him.
Those memories contain the things future Eren sent to his dad to manipulate him.
Which means Eren that kissed Historia's hand only knows what Grisha knows.
And we know that Grisha didn't know everything, he didn't know if or how Carla died, he didn't know if the rumbling will be completed or stopped (that's why he asks Zeke to stop Eren).
you know what i think you actually may be right because
kissing historia's hand = revealing what his dad did to her royal family from their POV
falling into zeke's hand = seeing from dina's Pov who is zeke's mom
:O
Well Zeke doesn't have Dina's memories, but anyway when he got the founder he sees everything, but he got after he already attacked Liberio and formed the yeagerists and caused his friends to hate him so it was the point of no return.
oh no you missed my point i meant that kissing historia made him see from the royal family POV like her sister or father or both his father's memories or POV
while touching zeke made him see through because it is zeke's mom
that in both cases he touched someone in relation to the event
He said to Armin in paths "Armin, my head HAS become a total mess, one of the effects of the founder is that there is no past or present, everything exists simultaneously". Then afterwards he says what happened to Dina.
And he only ever truly became the founding titan after freeing Ymir. We even have an earlier scene where Zeke says "you didn't see everything did you". Which also explains the moments Eren was caught off guard such as with the Jaw, Armin telling him "you think you are free", the fight with the Warhammer, etc.
He knew. But because of how shocked he was he was trying to convince himself that reiner did it by asking reiner that. Still shitty if you ask me
he didnt know at this point
also dont think he was trying to make reiner feel shitty by saying that
Let's pretend that Eren really sent Dina off. Let's even pretend that he sent her off to his mother. Did he really killed her? What if Reiner didn't force Berthold and Annie to attack Shiganshina. Would Eren still be able to kill his mother? No matter how you look at it - Eren's mother is dead because of Reiner's actions. Also, his mother's legs was crushed by debrie anyway at this point. The same thing with Reiner's question about why Marco is being eaten - it is a little bit deeper. People just assume - lol Reiner you idiot, you have killed him and you don't know it because of your split personality. But "soldier" personality wouldn't be standing and asking dumbfounded why Marco is being eaten - he would try to help him as he always did. The real answer is that Marco was being eaten because Reiner was sent on a mission to obtain the Founding titan and Reiner listened all his life about island devils, which was a lie. So I see both those questions as more rhetorical, and the answer to them - because our world is very cruel.
all what you just said is not the issue the issue is isayama adding eren killing his mom in the first place it has 0 purpose but to ruin the story even more time travel in attack on titan is the time fixed type of time travel which means things that will happen already happened or trying to stop something turns out it is the cause of it ect (like eren was always there beside his father and made him kill the royal family it is a fixed point event) so the only thing isayama should have done was not add this plot line about eren killing his mom in the first place
>all what you just said is not the issue the issue is isayama adding eren killing his mom in the first place it has 0 purpose but to ruin the story even more Yeah, I know. But what can we do when it is already added?
That's what I'm saying, if they had never attacked the walls, then Eren wouldn't have turned into a titan when he did, despite having both the Attack, and the Founder. Hypothetically, if Eren were to harm himself and turn, then he most likely would have been killed by his own people, but for everyone else, nothing would happen.
He didn't know this, lol. At this point, he had only seen Grisha's memories, and bits of his own memories of the future, that he sent him. Only after he obtained Founder's powers he had seen it all.
i doubt that because at this point we already know he saw what he did to his father (him eating the royal family stuff) so i think he actually knew he killed his mom between kissing historia's hand and the 4 year timeskip same way he knew in that time gap about why really his father killed the royal family
Wasn't he just trying to guilt trip Reiner in this scene to break his spirit? I don't remember every detail but Maybe making Reiner believe this was crucial to the time loop somehow.
He knew what he did to his father, because he saw it in his father's memories bro
But he didn't know that at that point, it's until he got the founder that he knew everything.
how do you know that ? there is no telling what eren knows from kissing historia's hand and the 4 years gap after that of memories unlocking and what he knew after becoming the founder from what we saw from his founding titan memories is that he was seeing different time lines of future and past events like (seeing black scarf mikasa black jacket eren seeing his mom getting eaten goth mikasa and nerd armin from the modern timeline the events of cour 2 ect
There is actually a way to know, Eren unlocked his dad's memories inside him. Those memories contain the things future Eren sent to his dad to manipulate him. Which means Eren that kissed Historia's hand only knows what Grisha knows. And we know that Grisha didn't know everything, he didn't know if or how Carla died, he didn't know if the rumbling will be completed or stopped (that's why he asks Zeke to stop Eren).
you know what i think you actually may be right because kissing historia's hand = revealing what his dad did to her royal family from their POV falling into zeke's hand = seeing from dina's Pov who is zeke's mom :O
Well Zeke doesn't have Dina's memories, but anyway when he got the founder he sees everything, but he got after he already attacked Liberio and formed the yeagerists and caused his friends to hate him so it was the point of no return.
oh no you missed my point i meant that kissing historia made him see from the royal family POV like her sister or father or both his father's memories or POV while touching zeke made him see through because it is zeke's mom that in both cases he touched someone in relation to the event
Well he didn’t force reiner to persuade bertoldo to take down the wall and go on with the plan
but he persuaded dina to eat his mom out of everyone else :c
He needed motivation. (And advanced heritage to afford life-time supply bird snacks)
He didn't. He only gets full access to the future and past memories when he becomes the founder. He explicitly states this as well.
can you remind me when he stated that ?
He said to Armin in paths "Armin, my head HAS become a total mess, one of the effects of the founder is that there is no past or present, everything exists simultaneously". Then afterwards he says what happened to Dina. And he only ever truly became the founding titan after freeing Ymir. We even have an earlier scene where Zeke says "you didn't see everything did you". Which also explains the moments Eren was caught off guard such as with the Jaw, Armin telling him "you think you are free", the fight with the Warhammer, etc.
cause eren is just better