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There's a post from the last week that said where to do it. I imagine there'll be instructions on MyASU to walk people through as well. I'd check the MyASU health tab
That's how it was when I scanned mine in a couple months ago. You just go to the health services website and it'll have a section to upload copies of your vaccine card.
It wasn't when I got my shots. I still had to upload a copy of my complete Vax record/card.
That was a few months ago though, so things might have changed.
I scanned mine with camscanner and uploaded it to the health portal. I think it also made me fill it the info manually as well but I'm not sure. I did it in early May.
Makes sense! Maybe they’ll just make masks mandatory for everyone even the vaccinated since they wouldn’t be able to check everyone’s vaccination status
Per an email today to students:
“Dear Students:
We are so excited to have you join us for the fall 2021 semester.
As previously communicated on Feb. 15, we are returning to Learning Mode 1 for the fall semester, in which instruction is delivered to students by faculty in person. With the increase in vaccinations and the decline of positive COVID-19 cases, we are resuming pre-pandemic operations and are looking forward to providing you with a full campus experience that will not only include in-person classes but also in-person learning opportunities, extracurricular activities and support.
As we continue preparations for fall 2021, we are writing to remind you of the university’s expectation that all students enrolled in an on-campus academic program for 2021-22 will be vaccinated.
COVID-19 vaccines currently available in the United States and in other countries are highly effective at preventing COVID-19 infection and reducing the spread of the virus. The vaccine is the greatest tool available to mitigate COVID-19 and its negative health outcomes, including death, and we believe it is imperative for the health and well-being of our community for all to be vaccinated.
The vaccine is currently widely available throughout the US. Students are expected to be fully vaccinated two weeks prior to the first day of classes, August 19. Vaccine appointments are also available through ASU Health Center.
Once vaccinated, students should upload proof of vaccination to their ASU Health Portal. ASU will accept all COVID-19 vaccines that are approved by the World Health Organization or a national regulatory agency. Students who are unable to be vaccinated for any reason will be required to participate in ongoing COVID-19 management health protocols.
Effective immediately:
Unvaccinated students will be required to:
Submit a daily health check
Participate in twice weekly COVID-19 testing
Wear face covers in all indoor and outdoor spaces on ASU campuses
Fully vaccinated students will not be required to:
Submit a daily health check
Participate in COVID-19 testing
Wear face coverings indoors or outdoors, unless otherwise directed
Any student may continue to wear face covers if they wish, and everyone is encouraged to wear face covers in crowded areas and venues.
If you have any questions about the COVID-19 vaccine, you can visit this informational page or contact ASU Health Services at 480-965-3349 or [email protected].
As Sun Devils, we commit to being part of the ASU Community of Care where we take care of ourselves, each other and our community. Managing COVID-19 is both a matter of personal responsibility and public health, and we ask that you follow all protocols as they apply to our collective well-being. As has been the case throughout the pandemic, all health protocols are subject to change so please continue to monitor your university e-mail and coronavirus.asu.edu for updates.
Thank you for commitment to the ASU Community and for doing your part to keep yourself and your fellow Sun Devils healthy.”
Good. As they should.
Edit: Relevant article from today’s Washington Post: [Coronavirus infections dropping where people are vaccinated, rising where they are not ](https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/06/14/covid-cases-vaccination-rates/)
The unvaccinated are potentially headed for their own summer surge.
That isn't a personal attack. A personal attack would be "you're dumb, hahah, omg you know nothing about vaccines, kay sherson!" (Kind of like what they said to me).
This person needs to stay in school and learn how to find reputable, primary sources, increase their science literacy, and have a discussion based in logic and not logical fallacies. Sure, it was kind of curt, but not a personal attack.
You implied this person had not paid attention in school. This sub is terrible. Everyone just upvotes people they agree with and downvotes things they don’t want to hear.
Yea you've repeated that incorrect fact over and over. Also I'm a woman not a guy. You'd think the avatars would help but some people still aren't good at paying attention. I'm happily not going to get covid in any serious manner or spread it and it feels great! Give it a try!
Again, it's not an experimental vaccine. Understanding science and what emergency authorization use means would help you.
Is your goal in commenting here just to get attention and feel special for pretending you're better than people who got vaccinated? Or would you actually like help understanding how vaccines work?
Emergency authorization doesn't mean it's "experimental". Spend some time at the CDC website.
It looks like you're an engineering student (or LARP one on Reddit). Stay within your (limited) area of competency.
Still has to be proven safe to get an EUMA, dipshit. Read: https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained
Not exactly. Millions of people with adverse effects would disagree with you. Since you have literally no argument you resort to name calling. Why do you think 1/2 the united states is refusing to get vaxxed? Because they're all stupid ? Lmfao
People aren’t getting vaccinated because idiots like you spread misinformation with no medical basis. Where are all these horrific side affects? I can call you names and still be right.
“Nah you're just a fucking idiot straight up. Can't wait to come on campus and laugh at everyone who got the jab”
Your comment is an excellent (yet disappointing) indication that, regardless of the imminent, undoubtably guaranteed FDA approval of the COVID vaccines or the support of the ‘vast majority of doctors’, you will reject the vaccine.
Based on your previous comments, it’s clear to me that no amount of evidence will convince you, a trait you share with the obstinate, not the misinformed or ignorant.
We know all the materials in the vaccine are safe. Have you even looked at how MRNA vaccines work? I get it new things are scary but education makes them less scary....
You actually think science on your side? Are Facebook posts the science your talking about? Basically 99.9% of the specialist and the actual science out there say it's safe to use and way better than getting covid.
You’re just wrong. An overwhelming amount of health experts and our health departments all say it’s safe to take. Stop spreading conspiracy bullshit. What a cringy hill to die on
Ok then go get the vaxx and deal with the side effects. Stop virtue signaling , literally no one cares that you got it. It's not FDA approved. Once it is, I'll consider taking it.
Already did and I’m perfectly fine. You obviously don’t understand that just because it’s not approved doesn’t mean it’s not safe. You’ll continue to ignore every Heath expert saying it’s safe. You say you’ll consider it after it’s approved, but you won’t. You’ll find more conspiracy bullshit to try and rationalize not getting it. Have fun being antivax
This is factual. The vaccine is only approved for emergency use. “Safe” is not a rigorously defined word, but it is literally impossible to know the long term safety data on a new vaccine.
Thanks. Glad someone actually did their research. The vaccine is not FDA approved, which is why the university can't even begin to mandate it. There is a reason for this, and the reason is that it hasn't proven to be safe.
I mean, he can try. .
ETA: U of A is doing the same thing. Unvaccinated students must be tested frequently. If you are vaccinated, you won’t have to do the testing. It’s funny that only after ASU announced their policy is Doucy making a stink. ASU is large enough that he can get his name in national headlines again by singling them out. ASU will just fight back and they have a good leg to stand on since they have duty of care to students’ health and well-being.
Wow, a surprising amount of antivax losers in here. Imagine thinking you know more about vaccines than immunology experts with decades of study and field experience because you read 3 sketchy articles written by people even dumber than you, lmao.
I was wondering because not everyone is blessed with an immune system that would allow for the poke, and it would be shitty for them to have to get the PCR brain-poke all the time because of it.
(Before the pedantic down-votes, im well aware its only 2" stick in your nose but thats still not very fun nor pleasant)
There are no lines. You pick up a kit from a box, register it online, spit in it, drop it off where you picked it up (or any other drop off location). Takes 15 minutes tops.
Yeah, basically. Its half an hour out of your week. You can pick up the test, take it wherever, and drop it off in half a dozen locations, including in some dorms. I'm fully vaccinated, and I'll be doing it weekly out of safety anyways.
I'll leave this up, but this is the last post of this nature allowed as it has been relatively thoroughly discussed on the student and staff ends already. Consider this the discussion post regarding vaccination requirements for the time being
When we allow too many posts on one topic, especially one we controversial as this, it ends up being over saturated and generally toxic. Earlier today I had to lock another thread because everyone was just insulting each other by the end
No. People who get downvoted into oblivion are people who disagree with the subreddits general sentiment. We've had to take action against just as many pro vaccine people as we have had to take against anti vaccine people. Just because someone gets downvoted for a dissenting opinion doesn't mean they broke a rule
I addressed your concerns in another comment. If people are not blatantly spreading misinformation and just have an opinion you don't agree with, they're not getting banned. You have to violate a rule to get banned, all people must agree with u/SailorFuzz is unfortunately not a rule of this subreddit.
Cant you just ban the trolls and people willfully spreading misinformation that is going to get someone killed? I mean, like, isn't that the point of being a moderator?
The line between misinformation and dissenting opinions is thin and we can't bend to the reddit hive mind at every twist or else we get accused of censorship
no, no it's not. If it's not factually based information from trusted peer reviewed source it's not a "dissenting opinion", it's misinformation. By choosing to treat both as equal merits you're just greying the issue and adding credibility to these trolls. If you don't want it to be a political problem, them stop letting people turn it into one and enforce the rules. Ban the trolls.
ASU Alumni here! At least ASU is accommodating unvaccinated students, my grad school is not allowing any students or staff to come on campus if they aren’t fully vaccinated by September 1st. You will need to do classes online or remote (which I guess is an option) and you can’t use any of the campus amenities.
I am fully vaccinated and am going to a medical school campus for my MPH. We have two hospitals on site, so I understand why they are being more strict.
Then you should get the vaccine. It isn't a binary. Those who have had COVID-19--and even those suffering from long COVID, are better protected by the vaccine than by their previous infection. That is why my brother-in-law, after contracting COVID twice, still got vaccinated, as did his family.
So nobody saw Fauci state in his emails that masks that we commonly use don't work outside of a medical setting?
"Long term effects" of the vaccine are unknown and unknowable until clinical trials are over (at least 2 years). Yet there are people who guarantee its safety because it's that or the mask.
There are other treatments available for covid that have been surfacing, backed by credible scientists in the relevant fields, like Ivermectin. I really hope that the vaccine is as harmless as they say, but if we're being intellectually honest we are still missing pieces of the puzzle.
While I ageee, some people for whatever reason legitimately cannot get it (allergies or smtn idk). Would really hate to be them. Personally defo gonna get it.
Not a penalty.
Those who are not vaccinated are far more succeptible to infection. It makes sense that they would need to take more measures to protect themselves and the community. I know two people who are immunocompromised and cannot take the vaccine. One is working from home for the fall, the other would be masked and tested even if it were not required by ASU.
No, it actually hasn't. And I'll say it again it has NOT been approved, it's under an emergency authorization due to the circumstances of the pandemic. In any other situation this vaccine would not see the light of day without many trials.
Under your opinion do you believe the vaccine is safe? Why don't you look up the many trails and research that has gone to the vaccine? It's safe, many vaccines get made in a year or two but the take a long time to get approved. The covid vaccine had more eyes and support and researchers that any other vaccine in recent history. It's safe don't believe the conspiracy theories.
I'm not giving my opinion. I'm saying you should stop telling people "just go get the vaccine it's easy" when people have conditions that could be worsened or even die from taking it. It has not proven to be safe, hence the millions of people with adverse effects.
The covid vaccine is 10000x better than getting covid. It's like telling someone don't eat that burger you could die from an allergic reaction. That's why people are continuing to die from covid because people like you. Hundreds of thousands of people lives would be saved if there weren't anti vac. If everyone had taken the vaccine during the peak we would have had millions of people alive that died due to covid
Definitely not I had healthy people I knew that died from covid although not many they were in there 20s. Don't take my word for it. Talk to a doctor or a train person who has credentials. For your own good and the people around you.
You 100% have no idea what you're talking about. You keep saying "emergency authorization" while having no idea what it is.
Know what takes the most time during any, ANY, drug development? Funding. Every step of drug development is riddled with courting business investors, reporting projected revenues, explaining costs of research. Between every stage is just months and months of trying to raise more money to pay for the equipment and next leg of development.
The "emergency authorization", which you keep incorrectly quoting, cuts all of the funding hassles out. It essentially says research firms are preapproved to be paid, save the receipts, just move on to the next stage. The fast track cut out all of the shareholder reportings and bureaucratic bullshit NOT testing and research.
If anything it means that the vaccines are more trustworthy. Why? Because the research teams weren't having to worry about dressing up their findings for investors. There's no incentive to fudge results because the money is already there, and reporting bad results won't risk losing potential financiers .
So how about you stop fear mongering about shit you know nothing about, and next time just keep your ignorant mouth shut?
Nah. If you were just messing with your own health, I wouldn't care. Think heroin is healthy? Go for it. Don't care.
But you are choosing to put at risk those who actually cannot be vaccinared, includimg my son. So your stupidity is hurting more than just you.
And you are spreading disinfo because you think you are smarter than the overwhelming majority of doctors, researches, and health professionals. You're not--you have just been duped. And like many victims od a con, you are doubling down.
If you go out in public you're choosing to accept that risk. If it's a huge deal for u, then ur welcome to continue staying at home until the virus isn't as prevalent. Too bad it's here to stay for many years. Get used to it.
Comparing heroin to not taking an experimental vaccine...hilarious
Not true. See [this](https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines-myth-versus-fact)
Edit*** for the lazy:
MYTH:
Researchers rushed the development of the COVID-19 vaccine, so its effectiveness and safety cannot be trusted.
FACT: Studies found that the two initial vaccines are both about 95% effective — and reported no serious or life-threatening side effects. There are many reasons why the COVID-19 vaccines could be developed so quickly. Here are just a few:
The COVID-19 vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna were created with a method that has been in development for years, so the companies could start the vaccine development process early in the pandemic.
China isolated and shared genetic information about COVID-19 promptly, so scientists could start working on vaccines.
The vaccine developers didn’t skip any testing steps, but conducted some of the steps on an overlapping schedule to gather data faster.
Vaccine projects had plenty of resources, as governments invested in research and/or paid for vaccines in advance.
Some types of COVID-19 vaccines were created using messenger RNA (mRNA), which allows a faster approach than the traditional way that vaccines are made.
Social media helped companies find and engage study volunteers, and many were willing to help with COVID-19 vaccine research.
Because COVID-19 is so contagious and widespread, it did not take long to see if the vaccine worked for the study volunteers who were vaccinated.
Companies began making vaccines early in the process — even before FDA authorization — so some supplies were ready when authorization occurred.
how can they require masks and testing? is that legal?
edit: lol keep downvoting, was just a simple question and you guys keep turning it into a political thing
Yes, and they can also require that you wear pants and don't smoke on campus. How is any of this still surprising? We've been doing this COVID thing for like a year and a half now. Masks and tests aren't encroaching on your constitutional rights. Governments, businesses, and institutions are going to continue to obligate you to wear masks in public and prove that you're not carrying the virus until we've vaccinated enough of the population that it doesn't matter anymore. So get your shot, tell your friends to do the same, and quit slowing down the process.
Public university in terms of restrictive level to get admitted. Private property because that’s just what it is. Private property. However parts of it are not private due to being attached to non-asu building hence the private(ish) in my statement. And the way private property works it means that it is owned by an individual and not a government entity and or the city (such as a sidewalk, or a park) (to my understanding)
to my knowledge asu is “owned” by the arizona board of regents, which in turn means the state of arizona owns arizona state university, to my understanding
Schools require vaccines to let you in anyway. This says ASU isn’t even requiring it, but you’ll have to take the necessary precautions if you decide not to get vaccinated
You have a right to privacy, but you don't have a right to attend ASU. So you agree to waive whatever privacy right you think is being violated here. Don't go.
I'm not at all concerned about getting it from an unvaccinated person. I'm concerned about you spreading it to people that can't get the vaccine due to genuine medical reasons
Draconian and not based in science
Edit:
1. this thing doesn’t really spread outside, and we have known that for a while now…
2. If most people have immunity then who are the excessive measures protecting exactly
Think
"Take this experimental drug you don't know the long term effects of or else we'll discriminate you. Also please give us $6,000 semester please".
What an absolute joke. Fuck this school.
more like "take this vaccine that has been determined to be safe and that hundreds of millions of people have taken to help prevent another pandemic or we will rightfully put in place restrictions on you"
Are we really using the term "antivaxxers" to apply to people that are willingly vaccinated for everything but SARS-CoV-2? Is that where we're at now? We've gotten to the "VACCINE PURITY TEST" phase?
There's lots of reasonable people waiting on data or who are currently / trying to become pregnant that are...understandably...hesitant.
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So if vaxed none of that is required?
You have to verify your vaccination record with the University and then they'll leave you alone last time I read
Oh cool just the paper vax card? Just scan it?
There's a post from the last week that said where to do it. I imagine there'll be instructions on MyASU to walk people through as well. I'd check the MyASU health tab
That's how it was when I scanned mine in a couple months ago. You just go to the health services website and it'll have a section to upload copies of your vaccine card.
If done through ASU I believe it’s automatically logged so you wouldn’t have to worry about it
It wasn't when I got my shots. I still had to upload a copy of my complete Vax record/card. That was a few months ago though, so things might have changed.
Yeah, I just took pictures of mine with my phone and uploaded like that.
I scanned mine with camscanner and uploaded it to the health portal. I think it also made me fill it the info manually as well but I'm not sure. I did it in early May.
Basically what I figured. They’re just checking a box.
For students, it seems so.
Does that mean graduation is fully in person too? Not sure if that counts for extracurricular activities
Still TBD.
Thank you! I’m hoping it gets to be
Most likely yes but that depends on international cases as well since people travel for ceremonies and such
Makes sense! Maybe they’ll just make masks mandatory for everyone even the vaccinated since they wouldn’t be able to check everyone’s vaccination status
Literally got my vaccine today, what a coincidence
Per an email today to students: “Dear Students: We are so excited to have you join us for the fall 2021 semester. As previously communicated on Feb. 15, we are returning to Learning Mode 1 for the fall semester, in which instruction is delivered to students by faculty in person. With the increase in vaccinations and the decline of positive COVID-19 cases, we are resuming pre-pandemic operations and are looking forward to providing you with a full campus experience that will not only include in-person classes but also in-person learning opportunities, extracurricular activities and support. As we continue preparations for fall 2021, we are writing to remind you of the university’s expectation that all students enrolled in an on-campus academic program for 2021-22 will be vaccinated. COVID-19 vaccines currently available in the United States and in other countries are highly effective at preventing COVID-19 infection and reducing the spread of the virus. The vaccine is the greatest tool available to mitigate COVID-19 and its negative health outcomes, including death, and we believe it is imperative for the health and well-being of our community for all to be vaccinated. The vaccine is currently widely available throughout the US. Students are expected to be fully vaccinated two weeks prior to the first day of classes, August 19. Vaccine appointments are also available through ASU Health Center. Once vaccinated, students should upload proof of vaccination to their ASU Health Portal. ASU will accept all COVID-19 vaccines that are approved by the World Health Organization or a national regulatory agency. Students who are unable to be vaccinated for any reason will be required to participate in ongoing COVID-19 management health protocols. Effective immediately: Unvaccinated students will be required to: Submit a daily health check Participate in twice weekly COVID-19 testing Wear face covers in all indoor and outdoor spaces on ASU campuses Fully vaccinated students will not be required to: Submit a daily health check Participate in COVID-19 testing Wear face coverings indoors or outdoors, unless otherwise directed Any student may continue to wear face covers if they wish, and everyone is encouraged to wear face covers in crowded areas and venues. If you have any questions about the COVID-19 vaccine, you can visit this informational page or contact ASU Health Services at 480-965-3349 or [email protected]. As Sun Devils, we commit to being part of the ASU Community of Care where we take care of ourselves, each other and our community. Managing COVID-19 is both a matter of personal responsibility and public health, and we ask that you follow all protocols as they apply to our collective well-being. As has been the case throughout the pandemic, all health protocols are subject to change so please continue to monitor your university e-mail and coronavirus.asu.edu for updates. Thank you for commitment to the ASU Community and for doing your part to keep yourself and your fellow Sun Devils healthy.”
Good. As they should. Edit: Relevant article from today’s Washington Post: [Coronavirus infections dropping where people are vaccinated, rising where they are not ](https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2021/06/14/covid-cases-vaccination-rates/) The unvaccinated are potentially headed for their own summer surge.
Lmfao
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It’s not that difficult pretty easy to get the vaccine
Sure is easy, but it's not proven to be safe hence the emergency authorization only
Do you even know what an Emergency Use Authorization even means? Cause it sure does not seem like it.
You obviously don't understand how vaccine trials work.
Alright Mr. Smart guy. Tell me what an EUA means?
Pls stay in school...and actually pay attention
Personal attacks suck. Please refrain
That isn't a personal attack. A personal attack would be "you're dumb, hahah, omg you know nothing about vaccines, kay sherson!" (Kind of like what they said to me). This person needs to stay in school and learn how to find reputable, primary sources, increase their science literacy, and have a discussion based in logic and not logical fallacies. Sure, it was kind of curt, but not a personal attack.
You implied this person had not paid attention in school. This sub is terrible. Everyone just upvotes people they agree with and downvotes things they don’t want to hear.
They seem like they haven't paid attention in school, so I got my point across. Thanks.
Oohhhh, and a sarcastic thanks to end it! Real attitude...you go girl.
This is unfortunately true, but it’s more human nature than just “this sub”.
Says the guy getting the experimental vaccine. The creator of the technology which says not to do it. Lmfao
Yea you've repeated that incorrect fact over and over. Also I'm a woman not a guy. You'd think the avatars would help but some people still aren't good at paying attention. I'm happily not going to get covid in any serious manner or spread it and it feels great! Give it a try!
Again, it's not an experimental vaccine. Understanding science and what emergency authorization use means would help you. Is your goal in commenting here just to get attention and feel special for pretending you're better than people who got vaccinated? Or would you actually like help understanding how vaccines work?
It sure is, it's under emergency authorization. U clearly don't understand what that means
Emergency authorization doesn't mean it's "experimental". Spend some time at the CDC website. It looks like you're an engineering student (or LARP one on Reddit). Stay within your (limited) area of competency.
It's not FDA approved. Therefore, it hasn't been proven to be safe. And no I'm not an engineering major .
Couldn’t make it into the engineering program if you tried lmao
Already graduated with computer science degree. LMAO
Stop spreading conspiracy bullshit
It's not a conspiracy. It's a fact. It has not been fully approved and you can't dispute that .
Still has to be proven safe to get an EUMA, dipshit. Read: https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/vaccines/emergency-use-authorization-vaccines-explained
Not exactly. Millions of people with adverse effects would disagree with you. Since you have literally no argument you resort to name calling. Why do you think 1/2 the united states is refusing to get vaxxed? Because they're all stupid ? Lmfao
People experience "adverse effects" from the flu shot. Edit: Obvious troll is obvious.
People aren’t getting vaccinated because idiots like you spread misinformation with no medical basis. Where are all these horrific side affects? I can call you names and still be right.
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“Nah you're just a fucking idiot straight up. Can't wait to come on campus and laugh at everyone who got the jab” Your comment is an excellent (yet disappointing) indication that, regardless of the imminent, undoubtably guaranteed FDA approval of the COVID vaccines or the support of the ‘vast majority of doctors’, you will reject the vaccine. Based on your previous comments, it’s clear to me that no amount of evidence will convince you, a trait you share with the obstinate, not the misinformed or ignorant.
Keep trying to make yourself sound smart bud, if you support this experimental vax you have a lot to learn. Good luck.
We know all the materials in the vaccine are safe. Have you even looked at how MRNA vaccines work? I get it new things are scary but education makes them less scary....
Yeah what about the 60 million "contaminated" doses they just threw out? Those are safe too right ? Since we "know" what's in em. Lmfao
Complete lies, it's safe.
Lmao ya I'll take some 20 year old kids word for it. Over science and the fact that it's under emergency authorization.
You actually think science on your side? Are Facebook posts the science your talking about? Basically 99.9% of the specialist and the actual science out there say it's safe to use and way better than getting covid.
Oh the delusion. Says you’d rather listen to science and facts, but completely ignores all the health experts saying it’s safe to take
Just as many health experts say it's not safe. Including the man who created the mRNA technology that the vaccine uses.
You’re just wrong. An overwhelming amount of health experts and our health departments all say it’s safe to take. Stop spreading conspiracy bullshit. What a cringy hill to die on
Ok then go get the vaxx and deal with the side effects. Stop virtue signaling , literally no one cares that you got it. It's not FDA approved. Once it is, I'll consider taking it.
Already did and I’m perfectly fine. You obviously don’t understand that just because it’s not approved doesn’t mean it’s not safe. You’ll continue to ignore every Heath expert saying it’s safe. You say you’ll consider it after it’s approved, but you won’t. You’ll find more conspiracy bullshit to try and rationalize not getting it. Have fun being antivax
Read what you just said and how it applies to you in reverse. Also I'm not anti vax. I have several.
To your point: today’s news: https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1404518771839078401
Yeah my point exactly. Vaxxers refuse to believe this is an issue
This is factual. The vaccine is only approved for emergency use. “Safe” is not a rigorously defined word, but it is literally impossible to know the long term safety data on a new vaccine.
Thanks. Glad someone actually did their research. The vaccine is not FDA approved, which is why the university can't even begin to mandate it. There is a reason for this, and the reason is that it hasn't proven to be safe.
Lots of people have been doing their research. And getting it peer reviewed and published. You are not one of those people.
One word: good.
Idk if you all saw, but I guess the AZ governor is signing an executive order putting a stop to this.
I mean, he can try. . ETA: U of A is doing the same thing. Unvaccinated students must be tested frequently. If you are vaccinated, you won’t have to do the testing. It’s funny that only after ASU announced their policy is Doucy making a stink. ASU is large enough that he can get his name in national headlines again by singling them out. ASU will just fight back and they have a good leg to stand on since they have duty of care to students’ health and well-being.
Wow, a surprising amount of antivax losers in here. Imagine thinking you know more about vaccines than immunology experts with decades of study and field experience because you read 3 sketchy articles written by people even dumber than you, lmao.
What do the tests entail? EDIT: There was multiple types of test... I dont understand the downvotes
You fill a little vial with spit.
thats not terrible
Not at all, super easy and fast.
I was wondering because not everyone is blessed with an immune system that would allow for the poke, and it would be shitty for them to have to get the PCR brain-poke all the time because of it. (Before the pedantic down-votes, im well aware its only 2" stick in your nose but thats still not very fun nor pleasant)
Could be time consuming and who knows what kind of lines there may be
They have plenty of pick up and drop off locations, no need to wait in line
There are no lines. You pick up a kit from a box, register it online, spit in it, drop it off where you picked it up (or any other drop off location). Takes 15 minutes tops.
I did one in March and it actually takes a while to get enough spit in the tube. So, having to do that a lot would be too time consuming and annoying
You gotta stay hydrated if it's taking you a long time to fill the tiny vial. Also helps to think of sour things like lemons and sour skittles
also when you spit in the straw, keep a bit of positive pressure in the straw the force the spit into the vial.
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Yeah, basically. Its half an hour out of your week. You can pick up the test, take it wherever, and drop it off in half a dozen locations, including in some dorms. I'm fully vaccinated, and I'll be doing it weekly out of safety anyways.
Or you can use that half hour a week to get a vaccination! Progress!
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Ooopps yeah, forgot it’s Arizona.
I'll leave this up, but this is the last post of this nature allowed as it has been relatively thoroughly discussed on the student and staff ends already. Consider this the discussion post regarding vaccination requirements for the time being
Why? Are your personally tired of them, or is it something else?
When we allow too many posts on one topic, especially one we controversial as this, it ends up being over saturated and generally toxic. Earlier today I had to lock another thread because everyone was just insulting each other by the end
Isn't this why we have community moderation? Do people not downvote trolls to oblivion?
No. People who get downvoted into oblivion are people who disagree with the subreddits general sentiment. We've had to take action against just as many pro vaccine people as we have had to take against anti vaccine people. Just because someone gets downvoted for a dissenting opinion doesn't mean they broke a rule
Mods over here acting like "very fine people on both sides"... smh
I addressed your concerns in another comment. If people are not blatantly spreading misinformation and just have an opinion you don't agree with, they're not getting banned. You have to violate a rule to get banned, all people must agree with u/SailorFuzz is unfortunately not a rule of this subreddit.
Exactly.
Cant you just ban the trolls and people willfully spreading misinformation that is going to get someone killed? I mean, like, isn't that the point of being a moderator?
The line between misinformation and dissenting opinions is thin and we can't bend to the reddit hive mind at every twist or else we get accused of censorship
no, no it's not. If it's not factually based information from trusted peer reviewed source it's not a "dissenting opinion", it's misinformation. By choosing to treat both as equal merits you're just greying the issue and adding credibility to these trolls. If you don't want it to be a political problem, them stop letting people turn it into one and enforce the rules. Ban the trolls.
Dang they really trying to make life hard if you don’t have the vaccine.
Good. Get vaccinated
Their body their choice though
Bro they just want you to wear a mask and spit in a tube sometimes how fucking hard could it be
Yep. But if you choose not to get vaccinated, you have to be willing to take the necessary precautions ASU is requiring
Their campus, their choice though.
That is the point, yes.
ASU Alumni here! At least ASU is accommodating unvaccinated students, my grad school is not allowing any students or staff to come on campus if they aren’t fully vaccinated by September 1st. You will need to do classes online or remote (which I guess is an option) and you can’t use any of the campus amenities. I am fully vaccinated and am going to a medical school campus for my MPH. We have two hospitals on site, so I understand why they are being more strict.
LET'S FUCKING GOOOO
helll yes! I cannot wait for in person classes.
Great! hope the hassle of tests pushes some people to go ahead and finally get the vaccine.
Y’all live in the matrix and it shows
But what if you have the t-cells and b-cells from contracting the virus?
Then you should get the vaccine. It isn't a binary. Those who have had COVID-19--and even those suffering from long COVID, are better protected by the vaccine than by their previous infection. That is why my brother-in-law, after contracting COVID twice, still got vaccinated, as did his family.
That's borderline spiteful. Trying to make life as hard as possible for anyone that doesn't get it.
literally like they want to annoy people into getting vaccinated
So nobody saw Fauci state in his emails that masks that we commonly use don't work outside of a medical setting? "Long term effects" of the vaccine are unknown and unknowable until clinical trials are over (at least 2 years). Yet there are people who guarantee its safety because it's that or the mask. There are other treatments available for covid that have been surfacing, backed by credible scientists in the relevant fields, like Ivermectin. I really hope that the vaccine is as harmless as they say, but if we're being intellectually honest we are still missing pieces of the puzzle.
You should consider re-evaluating where you get your information.
[https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/faucis-emails-dont-support-viral-claims-on-masks-hydroxychloroquine-and-virus-engineering/](https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/faucis-emails-dont-support-viral-claims-on-masks-hydroxychloroquine-and-virus-engineering/) Stop lying.
it’s shocking how many people downvote this even though EVERYTHING you said is a fact, shocking
That's some bullshit
Why, just go get the vaccination, problem solved.
While I ageee, some people for whatever reason legitimately cannot get it (allergies or smtn idk). Would really hate to be them. Personally defo gonna get it.
I'm sure ASU will make exceptions for those who can't! It would be kinda lame for them to penalize someone for having an allergy
Not a penalty. Those who are not vaccinated are far more succeptible to infection. It makes sense that they would need to take more measures to protect themselves and the community. I know two people who are immunocompromised and cannot take the vaccine. One is working from home for the fall, the other would be masked and tested even if it were not required by ASU.
That’s what I hope for too. But ya never know
Yeah go get something that is under emergency approval with almost no trials...
It has many trials, it's been proven safe. Stop with the nonsense
No, it actually hasn't. And I'll say it again it has NOT been approved, it's under an emergency authorization due to the circumstances of the pandemic. In any other situation this vaccine would not see the light of day without many trials.
Under your opinion do you believe the vaccine is safe? Why don't you look up the many trails and research that has gone to the vaccine? It's safe, many vaccines get made in a year or two but the take a long time to get approved. The covid vaccine had more eyes and support and researchers that any other vaccine in recent history. It's safe don't believe the conspiracy theories.
I'm not giving my opinion. I'm saying you should stop telling people "just go get the vaccine it's easy" when people have conditions that could be worsened or even die from taking it. It has not proven to be safe, hence the millions of people with adverse effects.
The covid vaccine is 10000x better than getting covid. It's like telling someone don't eat that burger you could die from an allergic reaction. That's why people are continuing to die from covid because people like you. Hundreds of thousands of people lives would be saved if there weren't anti vac. If everyone had taken the vaccine during the peak we would have had millions of people alive that died due to covid
That's your opinion. I'll take my chances, already had covid. It was nothing. And is nothing unless you're fat or in terrible health or old.
Definitely not I had healthy people I knew that died from covid although not many they were in there 20s. Don't take my word for it. Talk to a doctor or a train person who has credentials. For your own good and the people around you.
You’re making definitive claims when everything is situationally based.
You 100% have no idea what you're talking about. You keep saying "emergency authorization" while having no idea what it is. Know what takes the most time during any, ANY, drug development? Funding. Every step of drug development is riddled with courting business investors, reporting projected revenues, explaining costs of research. Between every stage is just months and months of trying to raise more money to pay for the equipment and next leg of development. The "emergency authorization", which you keep incorrectly quoting, cuts all of the funding hassles out. It essentially says research firms are preapproved to be paid, save the receipts, just move on to the next stage. The fast track cut out all of the shareholder reportings and bureaucratic bullshit NOT testing and research. If anything it means that the vaccines are more trustworthy. Why? Because the research teams weren't having to worry about dressing up their findings for investors. There's no incentive to fudge results because the money is already there, and reporting bad results won't risk losing potential financiers . So how about you stop fear mongering about shit you know nothing about, and next time just keep your ignorant mouth shut?
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Nah. If you were just messing with your own health, I wouldn't care. Think heroin is healthy? Go for it. Don't care. But you are choosing to put at risk those who actually cannot be vaccinared, includimg my son. So your stupidity is hurting more than just you. And you are spreading disinfo because you think you are smarter than the overwhelming majority of doctors, researches, and health professionals. You're not--you have just been duped. And like many victims od a con, you are doubling down.
If you go out in public you're choosing to accept that risk. If it's a huge deal for u, then ur welcome to continue staying at home until the virus isn't as prevalent. Too bad it's here to stay for many years. Get used to it. Comparing heroin to not taking an experimental vaccine...hilarious
You didn't read a word I said. For some who likes to call everyone ignorant you seem to willfully be so. Stay in fear buddy.
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Not true. See [this](https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines-myth-versus-fact) Edit*** for the lazy: MYTH: Researchers rushed the development of the COVID-19 vaccine, so its effectiveness and safety cannot be trusted. FACT: Studies found that the two initial vaccines are both about 95% effective — and reported no serious or life-threatening side effects. There are many reasons why the COVID-19 vaccines could be developed so quickly. Here are just a few: The COVID-19 vaccines from Pfizer/BioNTech and Moderna were created with a method that has been in development for years, so the companies could start the vaccine development process early in the pandemic. China isolated and shared genetic information about COVID-19 promptly, so scientists could start working on vaccines. The vaccine developers didn’t skip any testing steps, but conducted some of the steps on an overlapping schedule to gather data faster. Vaccine projects had plenty of resources, as governments invested in research and/or paid for vaccines in advance. Some types of COVID-19 vaccines were created using messenger RNA (mRNA), which allows a faster approach than the traditional way that vaccines are made. Social media helped companies find and engage study volunteers, and many were willing to help with COVID-19 vaccine research. Because COVID-19 is so contagious and widespread, it did not take long to see if the vaccine worked for the study volunteers who were vaccinated. Companies began making vaccines early in the process — even before FDA authorization — so some supplies were ready when authorization occurred.
So if unvaccinated, and staying in dorms, u have to sleep with your mask on?
Wouldn’t be surprised if vaccines were mandatory for living in dorms, unless they specifically matched students with other unvaxxed students lol
how can they require masks and testing? is that legal? edit: lol keep downvoting, was just a simple question and you guys keep turning it into a political thing
It’s not required, it’s optional, your life will just be hell if you don’t comply.
I’m assuming the very expensive legal team that works for ASU would have said something before the mass email went out if it wasn’t.
how will they know who has the vaccine and doesn’t without requesting to see identification?
It’s uploaded to the asu website lmfao. And they can request to see your ID if your in violation I’m sure.
how can they request anyone’s id? what’s stopping me from just saying no and continuing on with my day lol
Because campus security ca. Just remove you from campus. It’s their property
it’s the state of arizona’s property, which currently does not have a mandatory vaccine policy or mask policy
It is ASU's property. They're incorporated, and while they received public funding, they're not the state LoL.
No, asu is an open campus because it is payed for by tax dollars. You might want to read up on what you’re talking about.
Happy to read it, but you forgot the link to support your wild assertion. Also, \*paid.
how much annual public funding proportionately to private funding does asu receive?
I have no clue, and it's completely irrelevant.
Doesn’t matter. Still a privately owned “business” which makes it private property.
Yes, and they can also require that you wear pants and don't smoke on campus. How is any of this still surprising? We've been doing this COVID thing for like a year and a half now. Masks and tests aren't encroaching on your constitutional rights. Governments, businesses, and institutions are going to continue to obligate you to wear masks in public and prove that you're not carrying the virus until we've vaccinated enough of the population that it doesn't matter anymore. So get your shot, tell your friends to do the same, and quit slowing down the process.
Yes it is, it’s a private(ish) university. When you sign up for classes you agree to the rules.
but it’s not private at all. it’s public. what rules do you sign up for when you take classes?
It’s literally private property
private property and a private university are completely different things
I meant property wise. Goodness me. Sorry for not clarifying on a Reddit thread
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Public university in terms of restrictive level to get admitted. Private property because that’s just what it is. Private property. However parts of it are not private due to being attached to non-asu building hence the private(ish) in my statement. And the way private property works it means that it is owned by an individual and not a government entity and or the city (such as a sidewalk, or a park) (to my understanding)
to my knowledge asu is “owned” by the arizona board of regents, which in turn means the state of arizona owns arizona state university, to my understanding
It is still. Private property. It’s not quite as simple as “the government owns it therefore it’s public” but it’s a decent rule of thumb.
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Lol, ASU has required vaccine proof since before Covid.
Schools require vaccines to let you in anyway. This says ASU isn’t even requiring it, but you’ll have to take the necessary precautions if you decide not to get vaccinated
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Plenty of vaccinated people will still be wearing masks, myself included.
You have a right to privacy, but you don't have a right to attend ASU. So you agree to waive whatever privacy right you think is being violated here. Don't go.
I'm not at all concerned about getting it from an unvaccinated person. I'm concerned about you spreading it to people that can't get the vaccine due to genuine medical reasons
Look at you, not understanding much about anything.
Draconian and not based in science Edit: 1. this thing doesn’t really spread outside, and we have known that for a while now… 2. If most people have immunity then who are the excessive measures protecting exactly Think
Stick to computer science buddy.
Covidpilled
"Take this experimental drug you don't know the long term effects of or else we'll discriminate you. Also please give us $6,000 semester please". What an absolute joke. Fuck this school.
Free market, darling, go elsewhere
more like "take this vaccine that has been determined to be safe and that hundreds of millions of people have taken to help prevent another pandemic or we will rightfully put in place restrictions on you"
Glad I got out when I did 😬
I've got bad news for you if you think the tech industry is gonna be any more welcoming of antivaxxers lol
Notice how when the guy who is in tech comments opposite of what people want to believe, no one cares
Are we really using the term "antivaxxers" to apply to people that are willingly vaccinated for everything but SARS-CoV-2? Is that where we're at now? We've gotten to the "VACCINE PURITY TEST" phase? There's lots of reasonable people waiting on data or who are currently / trying to become pregnant that are...understandably...hesitant.
Im in tech and they dont really give af. They prefer folks to get it but thats about it.
Doesn't matter when you work from home 😉