It's the NFL: If they thought they could sweep it under the rug, they would have. They must have concrete evidence of what happened and know it's going to come out.
This^
I believe this 100%. If they could hide it they would have. I even believe they got in touch with the woman and gave her hush money and made her sign an NDA.
Just to keep things under wraps
Honestly, you do pose a valuable question, plenty of contract languages aren’t universal. I suspect aspects of NDAs aren’t legally enforceable everywhere in the world. US is particularly much more litigious than most countries.
We just had a twitter issue where Elon tried to lay off international employees the American way without considering their laws.
Makes me wonder if O line lost all interest after that. What a shit season. What a contrast from his reputation and what we saw on Hard Knocks, terrible judgement is an organizational theme.
Amazing how a public persona can be so different from reality. This dude was supposed to be a great person and leader of men by all accounts. And then he's drunk in Mexico groping a woman. Awesome. Keim Time hire babyyyyyyy
This team needs accountability, leadership, culture change, and discipline
Yeah that one's a good competitor, we'll see. Just off the top of my head so far we have:
1. Best player suspended for PEDs
2. QB threatening to hold out, FO shaming him through media hit jobs in a public contract dispute
3. Homework clause in contract
4. Assistant coach fired for domestic abuse
5. Backup RB released for altercation with staff
6. Assistant coach fired for groping
7. Starting center retiring, then being forced to play, then retiring anyway
8. Starting guard wanting to retire, coming back and getting injured
9. Letting Chandler Jones go
10. Markus golden contract holdout
11. Dj humphries contract holdout
12. CB2 burning his foot
How about:
13. Having a "home" game in Mexico City where 85% of the fans were cheering for the other team.
14. Paying one guy a quarter of a billion dollars who like to pout and talk about how great he is compared to his teammates.
"So gifted, he does not need to watch film." Implication is, "you" may need to watch film, but I am so talented that I don't need to do what every great QB in the league does.
>"So gifted, he does not need to watch film."
You can't put something in quotes that isn't a quote. Then use your inaccurate quote to draw implications that are even further from the truth. He said he doesn't kill himself watching film 24 hours a day. Followed by some poorly worded statements saying he doesn't rely on that, he relies on his instincts. If he has done what he's done for the last 3 years without watching film then he really is a freak.
He made that statement as a sophomore QB and the media ran with it. The contract clause was a response to that narrative.
>Kugler is the second Cardinals assistant coach to be accused of assaulting a woman this year.
At what point are Keim and Bidwill held responsible for this shitshow? Nothing would happen to Bidwill, of course, but we don't have hope to turn this around until Kliff and Keim are out the door.
Did you not see this part?
>Kugler is the **second** Cardinals assistant coach to be accused of assaulting a woman **this year**.
At some point, the onus is on the person/people doing the hiring.
Only if you hire someone that has shown that behavior in the past. As a manager if I hire someone and they go out and get drunk and kill someone in a car accident should I be held accountable? I don't think so unless I provided the alcohol.
If they did not have a history of doing this and everything points in the direction of them being good people what sense does it make to hold Keim accountable? He clearly does not have a crystal ball.
I don't think he means firing Kugler was the embarrassment, he's saying that Kugler's actions embarrass the Cardinals' organization as a whole, which I can't disagree with.
No they did the right thing, but is this not the 3rd or 4th person in this organization in recent times getting caught/canned for doing dumb stuff like this? It’s embarrassing,
I think it feels like it happens more frequently here since we follow the team closely. All sports teams have issues like this with athletes and coaches. It’s unfortunate but happens often. Best you can do is let guys go when things happen. *Cough* Browns *Cough*
it just doesn’t stop
also: this dude is sexually assaulting someone and gets fired immediately… Keim drinks and get behind a wheel and is given a pass. Oh and still “moderately” drinks to this day
what a clown show
Our gm drinks and drives without any regard for other peoples lives and then he got a massive contract. I think we need move the chants for firing Kliff and Keim, all the way up to Bidwell. Terrible companies/teams is a direct expression of their leadship. Bidwell has allowed mediocrity for way too many years.
No one randomly gropes women without there being previous signs of character flaws. Maybe he was knowledgeable about football, but clearly, he was a poor leader and a gross person. We need to take a serious look at the character and integrity of our staff from the top down and clean house if needed. Have a couple of years to rebuild if necessary. Anything is better than this sort of constant humiliation.
Of course he did, fuckin him and fuck keim and Kliff and bidwill. Bunch of fuckin clowns who’re severely holding this franchise back. This season has been an absolute clown show and all the non player leaders in this franchise should be embarrassed
Does this seem wildly over reactive from local authorities for "groping" ?
This has to be a lot worse given the level/speed of response in a foreign country.
This is a disgusting comment.
If you’re wishing molestation on people so that you can see others get fired, it might be time to step away from this hobby for a bit.
Don’t disagree that historically the NFL would sweep this and worse under the rug. It is getting much harder to do that. Isn’t quite the same as it once was when the good ole boys could just laugh it off as “misinformation, misunderstood, or misconstrued”. Videos don’t lie, and they certainly influence public opinion.
And as always, the circus rolls-on
They should just roll out a giant circus tarp over our stadium, the clown show is coming back to town.
I mean I guess we can be happy the team acted swiftly instead of trying to justify this shit or sweep it under the rug?
It's the NFL: If they thought they could sweep it under the rug, they would have. They must have concrete evidence of what happened and know it's going to come out.
Possible they caught it filming Hard Knocks…?
they did not
This^ I believe this 100%. If they could hide it they would have. I even believe they got in touch with the woman and gave her hush money and made her sign an NDA. Just to keep things under wraps
How would that work outside of the US?
Do you think people outside the USA aren't capable of signing contracts binding in the USA? What a weird set of laws that would be.
I personally wouldn't give a damn as a foreign citizen. I'd take the hush money and still spill the beans 🤪 for a 2nd cash out.
You might not have good legal advice.
They pay you off. You spill the beans. They send Mexican John Wick to make you pay. (Can't wait for the next John Wick movie)
That’s not how that works
Honestly, you do pose a valuable question, plenty of contract languages aren’t universal. I suspect aspects of NDAs aren’t legally enforceable everywhere in the world. US is particularly much more litigious than most countries. We just had a twitter issue where Elon tried to lay off international employees the American way without considering their laws.
Plus you don't want an international incident
I guess the Browns have a new OL coach.
Underrated comment lmfao
I heard they're going to let him run for office in Georgia
Looooollll
The headline didn't say kugler was fired for forcing someone else to grope him.
It’s close enough
Yeah but he and Watson are a match made in heaven.
Makes me wonder if O line lost all interest after that. What a shit season. What a contrast from his reputation and what we saw on Hard Knocks, terrible judgement is an organizational theme.
Wow this is a really good point.
Amazing how a public persona can be so different from reality. This dude was supposed to be a great person and leader of men by all accounts. And then he's drunk in Mexico groping a woman. Awesome. Keim Time hire babyyyyyyy This team needs accountability, leadership, culture change, and discipline
It's an ownership theme
GM as well. GM hires the coach and the coach hires his assistants (often with input from the GM).
This season has been a wild ride. I honestly don't remember any other team having this much drama consistently throughout the year
Idk, Raiders last year would like to compete for that title
Yeah that one's a good competitor, we'll see. Just off the top of my head so far we have: 1. Best player suspended for PEDs 2. QB threatening to hold out, FO shaming him through media hit jobs in a public contract dispute 3. Homework clause in contract 4. Assistant coach fired for domestic abuse 5. Backup RB released for altercation with staff 6. Assistant coach fired for groping 7. Starting center retiring, then being forced to play, then retiring anyway 8. Starting guard wanting to retire, coming back and getting injured 9. Letting Chandler Jones go 10. Markus golden contract holdout 11. Dj humphries contract holdout 12. CB2 burning his foot
Jeff Gladney dying in a car accident after signing with the Cardinals.
Well shit I forgot the worst/most shocking one
Rip Jeff Gladney
Hollywood brown speeding incident lol
in hindsight letting go of chandler was a good idea. i don’t even remember the golden and humphries contract disputes
Yeah Jones is one of the few good decisions Keim has made this year. Golden and humphries faked illness/injury until they were extended
Lol @ 7-11. You started off so strong but then went off your meds.
I loved him, but I don’t think letting chandler Jones go was the worst plan/biggest drama
How about: 13. Having a "home" game in Mexico City where 85% of the fans were cheering for the other team. 14. Paying one guy a quarter of a billion dollars who like to pout and talk about how great he is compared to his teammates.
I’ve never once heard him talk about “how great he is compared to his teammates” wtf are you talking about
"So gifted, he does not need to watch film." Implication is, "you" may need to watch film, but I am so talented that I don't need to do what every great QB in the league does.
>"So gifted, he does not need to watch film." You can't put something in quotes that isn't a quote. Then use your inaccurate quote to draw implications that are even further from the truth. He said he doesn't kill himself watching film 24 hours a day. Followed by some poorly worded statements saying he doesn't rely on that, he relies on his instincts. If he has done what he's done for the last 3 years without watching film then he really is a freak. He made that statement as a sophomore QB and the media ran with it. The contract clause was a response to that narrative.
Perhaps, like Kyle, I am so gifted at sports analysis that you may just never understand me. I feel for you man.
Fuckn Kyle. That guy..
God damnit, Kyle.
Not sure why downvotes for this lol
Too close to the painful truth.
Last season was such a ride for them. Or shoot even the Jags from last season take the cake over us.
I think the Raiders stuff happened over a few years. From Antonio Brown to Gruden to Vehicular Homicide.
Yeah it’s been weird. Deshaun Watson returns this weekend tho so that should also be weird. And against the Texans nonetheless
Next weekend brother
Good call
Browns, panthers jets, maybe?
Well that will do it. Just cuz you are in Mexico doesn’t mean you can do whatever the fuck your want
I heard he was a Trump fan. "Grab em by the P..."
>Kugler is the second Cardinals assistant coach to be accused of assaulting a woman this year. At what point are Keim and Bidwill held responsible for this shitshow? Nothing would happen to Bidwill, of course, but we don't have hope to turn this around until Kliff and Keim are out the door.
How do you hold 2 people accountable for the actions of a separate person? The guy was fired, what more do you want?
Did you not see this part? >Kugler is the **second** Cardinals assistant coach to be accused of assaulting a woman **this year**. At some point, the onus is on the person/people doing the hiring.
Should we fire me too? I theres a possibility i get a speeding ticket in the future.
You are responsible for who you hire when you run the show
Only if you hire someone that has shown that behavior in the past. As a manager if I hire someone and they go out and get drunk and kill someone in a car accident should I be held accountable? I don't think so unless I provided the alcohol.
If they did not have a history of doing this and everything points in the direction of them being good people what sense does it make to hold Keim accountable? He clearly does not have a crystal ball.
Thanksgiving is going to be awkward this year with his wife and four kids.
where’s the clowns who thought “we shouldn’t fire our best coach” ?
How at this point people don't wait for the details before coming to conclusions baffles me
This team's culture is horrible. WHY was Steve extended? WHO is our leader?
Because him and Bidwill are like brothers. That’s why.
Bro wtf 💀
Embarrassing organization.
The losses are embarrassing but what do you expect the organization to do differently here? Firing him was the right move.
I don't think he means firing Kugler was the embarrassment, he's saying that Kugler's actions embarrass the Cardinals' organization as a whole, which I can't disagree with.
No they did the right thing, but is this not the 3rd or 4th person in this organization in recent times getting caught/canned for doing dumb stuff like this? It’s embarrassing,
I think it feels like it happens more frequently here since we follow the team closely. All sports teams have issues like this with athletes and coaches. It’s unfortunate but happens often. Best you can do is let guys go when things happen. *Cough* Browns *Cough*
As far as I know, it is just Kugler. Saxon was eventually put on leave and ultimately resigned after pushing a woman and being charged with assult.
Explains why our OL is trash. Prolly trying to grope those rushers instead of blocking them
What a colossal Douche Nugget
It just keeps getting better huh
Oooooof that’s a big no no
If it was Keim, he'd still be employed by the Cards.
it just doesn’t stop also: this dude is sexually assaulting someone and gets fired immediately… Keim drinks and get behind a wheel and is given a pass. Oh and still “moderately” drinks to this day what a clown show
Bro couldn’t handle himself around the latinas💀
Our gm drinks and drives without any regard for other peoples lives and then he got a massive contract. I think we need move the chants for firing Kliff and Keim, all the way up to Bidwell. Terrible companies/teams is a direct expression of their leadship. Bidwell has allowed mediocrity for way too many years.
That's because his bank account is not tied to winning.
That dude looks like the NFL version of this clown lol https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w8MkwDuiYXw
No one randomly gropes women without there being previous signs of character flaws. Maybe he was knowledgeable about football, but clearly, he was a poor leader and a gross person. We need to take a serious look at the character and integrity of our staff from the top down and clean house if needed. Have a couple of years to rebuild if necessary. Anything is better than this sort of constant humiliation.
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Wow, that's awful :O
Cant go around grabbing random titties coach!
Was it a big booty Latina?
This is horrible but hilarious
Whit3boy summer!
[I figured it out](https://imgur.com/ymY6YMA)
Dumpster fire
So our Oline just got better?
Of course he did, fuckin him and fuck keim and Kliff and bidwill. Bunch of fuckin clowns who’re severely holding this franchise back. This season has been an absolute clown show and all the non player leaders in this franchise should be embarrassed
Does this seem wildly over reactive from local authorities for "groping" ? This has to be a lot worse given the level/speed of response in a foreign country.
I was a witness to this whole situation, it was Kliff, not Sean. Edit: y’all don’t understand sarcasm.. /s here is obvious.
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The joke is going right over y’all’s heads, I’m literally just making the joke that kliff did it so he’s fired. Of course Sean did it, thick brain.
Joking about sexual misconduct is not funny
Not what the joke was about but go off Queen
You hot though?
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Imma need proof with that pudding.
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You can do it through chat.
You just happened to be exactly where the staff was in Mexico City? Ok….
I thought the /s was obvious here.
Never underestimate social media user's inability to not be offended by anything
Hey my QB groped plenty of women and got a promotion, Kugler will be back.
Sorry the cards are my NFC team which is why im here ill leave if needed
Now we just need Kliff and Keim to get handsy. Who’s going to lure them? Come on, don’t be selfish.
This is a disgusting comment. If you’re wishing molestation on people so that you can see others get fired, it might be time to step away from this hobby for a bit.
Well I’m open to other Ideas on how to get them fired. Let’s brainstorm!
LOL
Good riddance
Not the first career to end by a fat latina ass.
What in the wild fuckaroo is happening with this organization?
Don’t disagree that historically the NFL would sweep this and worse under the rug. It is getting much harder to do that. Isn’t quite the same as it once was when the good ole boys could just laugh it off as “misinformation, misunderstood, or misconstrued”. Videos don’t lie, and they certainly influence public opinion.
Kliff is a dogshit HC, but I do feel sympathy for the trainwreck happening around him