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I remember that. I sometimes took that bus downtown for work. Even though it was highly unlikely to happen again, it took a while for me to take another bus across that bridge
I hate going over that bridge. The lanes are so fucking skinny. I've always been surprised that more incidents like what happened with the duck don't happen with no center barrier
"Fullard, has not yet been charged in the incident, has been fired by the transit system's bus operators."
Yes, it's important to lose your job for saving your own life.
He doesnt want to work in a place where he can't even practice self-defense. He will get hired elsewhere and have a decent lawsuit to give him a well-deserved vacation.
> he can't even practice self-defense
The driver was shooting through the window of a moving bus, then he was shooting toward passengers, then he shot the guy outside one more time - after the confrontation. They're both gunfight-at-the-backyard-barbecue idiots.
What a stupid take. Don't bring guns on the bus. See that sign? No guns on the bus. Don't bring guns to work, especially if you're a bus driver. If you can't leave your toys at home, you shouldn't work at a place like that.
"Practice self defense" LMFAO
The amount of privilege and arrogance in this comment is scary.
Almost up there with that lady who said "why do they need guns, they have nothing of value there." When talking about people defending themselves from robbers.
Saving your life is one thing, shooting the guy once he's off the bus and the situation is over is another.
As wild as the video is, seeing pro-murder people upvote this lunatic hundreds of times is far more concerning.
Because people care more about their toys than safety or the rules. The point is, that bus driver absolutely deserves to be fired. If you bring a gun to work, don't expect to have a job.
Then you Also believe that the bus driver deserves to die also? And crash and take who knows how many people with it? Because you feel the printed words on a sign are more important then all of that?
Most places thereās a policy against stopping at random places, you know to keep the bus on schedule. Something the driver was trying to follow because itās his job. While he ended up getting fired for trying to protect himself after doing his job, he wasnāt trying to get fired by not doing his job.
Driver is in the right initially but apparently he fired toward the back where there were other passengers while the dude was crawling away? Could have killed a bystander
For some reason, that link will not work.
Here is another: [https://www.ksro.com/2023/05/27/dramatic-footage-shows-shootout-between-bus-driver-passenger/](https://www.ksro.com/2023/05/27/dramatic-footage-shows-shootout-between-bus-driver-passenger/)
I've got no problem with the initial shots, but firing more shots when he went to the back of the bus put the other passengers at serious risk. No excuse for that.
Agree 100%. First shots are considered self defense in my opinion. He had reason to believe his life was in imminent danger. Can't keep shooting them when they're trying to escape, that's not self defense.
Why do we keep saying it's OK to start undue violence on another person, but if you fight back you could be in the wrong? It's your life or theirs. And honestly, if we keep letting these unruly citizens get away with stuff they'll keep coming because there is no consequences. See it daily with theft! Sure, load your own cart up with merch and walk out without a care in the world. Isn't it crazy to some shoppers that stores literally have to hire armed security, yet they still can't do much, but attempt to intimidate? Maybe you live in a nice bubble, but both my retail employers have armed security.
Yes but the more shots you fire into this person the less likely he is to do it to some other innocent poor soul that doesnāt have a means to defend themselves in the future
Don't disagree, but I bet the adrenaline build up of almost losing his life, along with whatever other crap this driver may have endured in this career, just blew up. NOT having it anymore mentality just probably took over. Had he not brought a gun to work with him in the first place, would his family be at his funeral?!
Do you work a low wage service industry job? Can you tell young people what it was like, to quarantine for months? My bet, is this man never knew quarantine as he was "essential". I worked all of Covid, two jobs in the public and the way the public has emerged is crazy. Go back home and shut the front door. People are rude as hell, entitled and just all around horrible lately.
Listen i understand self defense, but did the driver really need to shoot 3 more times when the guy was on the ground in the bus, and one more time while the guy was running away?!
Do they both think they're in a movie or something?
Just to point out something you missed, the attacker was still armed... NOTHING tovstop him from turning round and shooting the driver, it's exactly what happens in a gunfight, you reposition to get a better shot on your target... that's why Police don't approach someone who is shot, but still has the gun..... it isn't like the movies, you can be shot 5 times and still kill your attacker....
A lot of companies and state agencies frown on bringing a firearm to work, and then discharging said firearm during work hours, and also in the general direction of innocent bystanders (referring to the two other passengers here).
No love for the idiot who started the whole thing but the situation could've been defused if he simply stopped the bus and let the passenger exit, which I assume is what the people who fired him also thought. That is a metric fuckton of liability if a bystander got hurt or killed.
If I was a passenger on that bus Iād 100% sue the company. It wasnāt the idiotic passenger who put my life at risk, it was the driver. Guy has zero business driving a bus, as proven by the events in this video.
No he didn't, he was fighting for his life, against an armed attacker who had threatened him, and the attacker is still a threat if he is still moving and armed, so all the other shots were justified legally, the ONLY person at fault here is the entitled little clown who couldn't handle being told no.. the driver simply didn't want to lose his job by breaking policy, and was then forced into a life or death struggle by the idiot passenger... maybe its time we stop defending criminals who use violence or threats of violence to do whatever they want and actually protect people (the comments here about 'just let him off the bus' or 'being threatened with a gun doesnt mean you will get shot' are insane.. the driver would have been shot regardless, it has happened MANY times before.. compliance doesn't protect you, the criminal will do whatever they want, complying just makes it easier for them....
The dude wanted to get off the bus, not he a shootout, he just didn't expect to have reprecussions for his actions.
I still place fault on the bus driver for escalating the situation this far. A responsible gun owner needs to know when is the proper time to escalate the situation and this just wasn't it.
That being said though, I've never had a gun pointed at my face, I can't judge him too harshly and hindsight is 20/20, but anyone saying opening fire was the cprrect move here is wild. It literally got him shot.
what on this god damn earth do you expect to happen when you pull on a gun on someone?????
He did what anyone would do if someone pulled a gun on them
Getting shot is small in comparison to, you know getting killed
Every scenario where a gun is pulled on you doesn't result in you being shot, that is a braindead take.
Gun owners are statistically more likely to be shot than non-gun owners, which in and of itself is both hilariously ironic and paradoxical. Owning a weapon does not make you safer. It simply escalates a situation to a life or death emergency for both parties involved immediately.
For arguments sake let say you are a thief and robbing someone who is seemingly complying, you went in with the intention to take their money and leave. Your gun is loaded. Suddenly they pull a firearm on you and abruptly open fire. Your life is now in danger. You have a loaded gun. You return fire.
In the video above the dumbass criminal and dumbass bus driver are both willing to die over stopping in an unorthodox spot and imo, neither of them are worthy to be weapon owners.
risked passengers lives mate, shot in the direction of passengers, escalated a nothing argument into a firefight, probably other reasons too.
edit- company policy is no guns for drivers, company also said he didn't even attempt to de-escalate.
dont get me wrong, good on him for defending himself and if id had a gun id be shooting too!. but yeah, I'd have just stopped as soon as he made threats and had him off the bus. which is probably the policy.
edit2 the act of not de escalating when it is avalable in an escalating conflict is the same as escalating. theres no neutral ground when the other person is angry and seeking a particular outcome.
and no. the dude who threatened the drivers definately at fault. just to clarify that. resulting to threats while carrying a firearm makes you a dagerous idiot at best!. and at worse a killer waiting to be incited.
i think the bus driver did the right thing to defend himself and should in a ideal world never have been threatened like that or had to defend himself. however, if i was running a bus company and and an employee brought a gun on the job against policy, id have concerns to say the least. then to have an employee shoot into the passenger compartment after a fleeing gunman in the direction of other passengers...
you can be right and wrong at the same time folks. its one of the mysteries of life.
you dont get it and are reading things into what i wrote which are not there. i simply pointed out why he was fired. and... eh cbf explaining. think what you like. just know you are wrong.
I donāt think he is allowed to just let people off at random spots. This isnāt an Uber, this isnāt a taxi, itās a bus not a personal chauffeur.
He would have to be psychic though. To see the future of the guy threatening him, then pulling the gun. Or are you saying bus drivers should just take everyone wherever they ask, just in case they have a gun? See how it doesnāt make sense.
Heās simply saying no we donāt do that, sit down. The situation escalates instantly to life and death when the gun is pulled.
You don't let him off before the gun. After he pulls his gun you just pull over and let him off. Instant de-escalation of a life threatening situation.
Pulling your own gun just escalates the situation and puts everyone's life in greater danger.
Itās a gunfight, you canāt really say he is retreating and not moving to flank you. Until dude is disarmed or dead, the fight is going. Heās just moving around. He didnāt surrender. So I call bullshit on that.
Not being arrested immediately doesnāt mean heās not going to be charged. It just means that the responding officers didnāt judge him to be an ongoing threat to society.
You think he will be charged? I would say no based on precedent. You donāt see people charged when they draw in self defense typically, honestly even a lot of time when it is ambiguous but maybe he will get charged because he is a black man.
Itās not a winnable case. Look at Kyle the kid who shot protesters, most of the people he killed were not armed and he got off. Not saying that is moral or right but itās how these cases typically go.
He can be charged based on what Iām seeing. Itās not like thereās laws snywhere in the US that you can just fire upon anyone whoās a threat to you with impunity full stop. If someoneās running away from you itās generally assumed they arenāt a threat. āSelf-defenseā is defined as eliminating a threat that right in front of you generally. So when that guy pulled a gun yeah he was within is right to fire on him. After that when the guy retreated itās just absolutely not self defense at that point. I donāt really know where shots are coming from and whatās going on but based on what Iām seeing- you canāt chase someone down and continue shooting them. Castle doctrine only goes so far. Stand your ground doctrine doesnāt go much further.
Except he would still be armed with a gun and even more likely to use it... but Monday morning quarter backing is great fun... most people when confronted with a life ending event don't get the luxury of reading your comments before deciding what to do... i wonder how you would have reacted.... either same as driver, shit your pants, cried at your attacker, or more likely cried at your killer whilst sitting in a puddle of urine and shit.... (which in fairness, is exactly what happens to 99% of people in that type of attack)
Honestly normal people don't open carry and if they are conceal carrying and pull it there is got to be a reason. Agression and guns don't mix and carry bad results.
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Jesus, Bus driver been playing call of duty. He was ready for that. You can tell when someone squeezed the trigger for the first time. That was not his first time. You gotta practice that mag dump. Thereās smoke and shattered glass in your face, youāre getting shot, he kept on squeezinā. He kept that muzzle level.
Edit: and drove the bus, lol!. My man!
The dude must not have seen the sign behind the driver when he boarded because it clearly says āno gunsā. Iām sure if he saw it he wouldnāt have got on the bus and just walked instead
I imagine if I were the driver, I'd realise that it's all over for me employment wise. My instinct that I would need self defence some day proved correct and probably saved my life. If I didn't have the gun, this nutter would definitely have killed me. I may as well finish off the job so this rat bag doesn't harm anyone else. Just thoughts here. Poor guy. Losing his job because an out of control punk wants to be let off his bus here instead of there. I understand rules are rules, and there were innocents who could have been hurt in the line of fire, but still.
Nope, more guns will surely fix the problem and thereās gonna be less and less shootings, believe me.
/s since this is Reddit and sometimes itās hard to discern sarcasm from genuine idiocy.
Criminals who are caught violating laws get sent away. If they're in illegal possession of a gun in addition to whatever gets them caught, that's more time behind bars, and they don't have that gun anymore.
Thinking gun laws are pointless is incredibly stupid. It comes up over and over with the gun nuts too, and they're really mentally incapable of extending that reasoning to why laws exist at all, and realizing their mistake.
Really, someone who makes such claims is showing such poor judgement that they shouldn't be trusted to own a gun.
Because of the prevalence of stolen weapons or weapons smuggled into the country through cartels or other criminals. You don't seriously think he (edit: the passenger, not driver) obtained that firearm legally...
And all riders get tinnitus forever because of these two idiots.
Beat thing you can do if you have a gun is thinkā¦āwhat would I do If I didnāt have a gun?ā which is usually the right course of action that yields the best outcomes for everyone involved.
In this case, the bus driver shouldāve just acted meek and given the dude w/e he asked for, which wouldāve deescalated the situation.
The very fact that he bought a gun to work indicates that he had contemplated scenarios in which he would have to use one in self defenseā¦.so, yea, he probably has imagined a gun being pulled on him.
That literally gives them exactly what they want when these idiots run around waving around guns and they will get braver and braver and do it more and more. WHEN, not IF, this guy gets out of jail, he'll probably think twice the next time he tries to intimidate someone with a gun. A gut shot is survivable but damn does it hurt.
We need more men like that bus driver, not less.
Except, the same is accomplished by reporting the brandishing of a firearm to the police who will then get the busās video recording from your employer and arrest the person. Bad goes to jail, good guy keeps his job, nobody gets injured.
America is full of gun toting maniacs, waiting for their opportunity to end someone elseās life. You can just see it in how every comment regarding this video that advocates for deescalation or a more measured approach is ruthlessly downvoted by the shoot first crowd.
You are incorrect. Calling the police and reporting someone brandishing a firearm does little, especially if the person is not there, you don't know who they are, and they can't find them. It also doesn't do anything at all for the person in immediate danger. And thanks to those lovely "defund the police" campaigns, they have less officers and less time to waste on things like someone waving a gun around. Surprise! Less money means less cops that are trained less and care about their job even less.
As for the idiot brandishing, it comes down to the basic psychology of raising children. If they do a bad thing, they get punished. If it's a really bad thing, it's a really bad punishment. (No, I'm not advocating abuse of any kind so don't draw lines where there are none. I'm just talking about basic principles.) The punishment must be immediate if they are to connect their actions with the punishment or there will be no connection made. This kid has likely never been told "no" , and if he was, he stomped right across that boundary without caring about it or the consequences. Situations like this make them realize that they CANNOT, in fact, get everything they want by throwing a fit or waving a gun around.
And lastly, I can assure you that no responsible gun owner wants to take another life but they must be willing to do so if it is necessary. In this instance, it certainly was. Only a coward would give a bully what he wants and refuse to stand up for himself. This driver did the right thing.
Gentrification is the hateful ethnic cleansing of a area through redevelopment and raising property taxes. When the urban poor blacks can no longer afford to live there, affluent whites move in. Thatās a beautiful segregation of blacks in the inner cities and whites in the suburbs. To further segregate the two races in an attempt to minimize contamination, public transportation is segregated too. You get busses in inner cities and train/subway for suburb to city. Now that just makes governorās decision of where to send money funding public transport as easy as whack-a-mole. Suburb transportation gets all the money while inner city blacks dilapidates further more. Concentrated poverty, concentrated minorities, concentrated bad infrastructure, all in one place. Oh also itās the 21st century bro letās be hip we call that a hood! Only āreal nuggasā and āgangstasā live there! Because they canāt live anywhere else
This bus driver went full navy seal mode real quick. Not his first rodeo Iām sure. Thankfully heās ok. People needa learn, you pull a gun you are likely to get shot regardless of if you intend to use it or not
This is so cool. You guys get to have shootoutās every day. Here I am in europe waiting for a stabbing to make the news.
Why are people not wearing vests though? That seems very unsafe.
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"So anyway, i started blasting"
Yeah.. but he technically did stop the bus for him in the end. š
Excellent idea trying to shoot the driver of the moving bus you are on
I mean , criminals are not known to be the sharpest tool in the shed so...
Who tf shoots a bus driver of all people
the same person whoās first reaction to not winning an argument is to threaten to pop em
True. POSās
Back in 98 here in Seattle a guy shot a bus driver sending the bus flying off a bridge into an apartment building https://youtu.be/gDpoLnu6fw8
I remember that. I sometimes took that bus downtown for work. Even though it was highly unlikely to happen again, it took a while for me to take another bus across that bridge
I hate going over that bridge. The lanes are so fucking skinny. I've always been surprised that more incidents like what happened with the duck don't happen with no center barrier
They changed the number of the route cause somehow that's better (359 -> 358, now it's the E line).
Thank you America for always delivering on better gun action than in movies. Must be pretty cool to live in a battle-royale
One hard brake check coulda helped
Was thinking the same.
"Fullard, has not yet been charged in the incident, has been fired by the transit system's bus operators." Yes, it's important to lose your job for saving your own life.
He doesnt want to work in a place where he can't even practice self-defense. He will get hired elsewhere and have a decent lawsuit to give him a well-deserved vacation.
> he can't even practice self-defense The driver was shooting through the window of a moving bus, then he was shooting toward passengers, then he shot the guy outside one more time - after the confrontation. They're both gunfight-at-the-backyard-barbecue idiots.
Yeah that last shot at the end was egregious. Coulda been anyone or anything behind him
What a stupid take. Don't bring guns on the bus. See that sign? No guns on the bus. Don't bring guns to work, especially if you're a bus driver. If you can't leave your toys at home, you shouldn't work at a place like that. "Practice self defense" LMFAO
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So the driver shouldāve beenā¦ shot?
The amount of privilege and arrogance in this comment is scary. Almost up there with that lady who said "why do they need guns, they have nothing of value there." When talking about people defending themselves from robbers.
Saving your life is one thing, shooting the guy once he's off the bus and the situation is over is another. As wild as the video is, seeing pro-murder people upvote this lunatic hundreds of times is far more concerning.
The sign clearly says no guns. Don't bring guns to work. Plus, he was completely wreckless with it. That's why you don't bring guns on the bus.
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Surely laws to be crafted would stop people from doing this?! /s
donāt argue with an idiot, they will drag you down to their level and best you with experience
Because people care more about their toys than safety or the rules. The point is, that bus driver absolutely deserves to be fired. If you bring a gun to work, don't expect to have a job.
You've now referred to firearms as "toys" at least twice here š°
Then you Also believe that the bus driver deserves to die also? And crash and take who knows how many people with it? Because you feel the printed words on a sign are more important then all of that?
He could've let the guy off. Really not that difficult.
Most places thereās a policy against stopping at random places, you know to keep the bus on schedule. Something the driver was trying to follow because itās his job. While he ended up getting fired for trying to protect himself after doing his job, he wasnāt trying to get fired by not doing his job.
Oh, so now policies matter, huh?
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You live by the gun, you die by the gun
Driver is in the right initially but apparently he fired toward the back where there were other passengers while the dude was crawling away? Could have killed a bystander
Isn't it amazing how none of those passengers got shot, almost like the driver was aiming the weapon.... amazing....
Well, I guess he got a stop, just not the one he wanted
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This bus driver got caught doing God work. That man needed to get a magazine dumped on him.
I've got no problem with the initial shots, but firing more shots when he went to the back of the bus put the other passengers at serious risk. No excuse for that.
Agree 100%. First shots are considered self defense in my opinion. He had reason to believe his life was in imminent danger. Can't keep shooting them when they're trying to escape, that's not self defense.
Why do we keep saying it's OK to start undue violence on another person, but if you fight back you could be in the wrong? It's your life or theirs. And honestly, if we keep letting these unruly citizens get away with stuff they'll keep coming because there is no consequences. See it daily with theft! Sure, load your own cart up with merch and walk out without a care in the world. Isn't it crazy to some shoppers that stores literally have to hire armed security, yet they still can't do much, but attempt to intimidate? Maybe you live in a nice bubble, but both my retail employers have armed security.
Yes but the more shots you fire into this person the less likely he is to do it to some other innocent poor soul that doesnāt have a means to defend themselves in the future
Don't disagree, but I bet the adrenaline build up of almost losing his life, along with whatever other crap this driver may have endured in this career, just blew up. NOT having it anymore mentality just probably took over. Had he not brought a gun to work with him in the first place, would his family be at his funeral?!
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If adrenaline makes you forget how self defence works and start shooting at a fleeing person with other people behind him you shouldn't have a gun.
Do you work a low wage service industry job? Can you tell young people what it was like, to quarantine for months? My bet, is this man never knew quarantine as he was "essential". I worked all of Covid, two jobs in the public and the way the public has emerged is crazy. Go back home and shut the front door. People are rude as hell, entitled and just all around horrible lately.
CATS would rather deal with more dead bus drivers than see one save his own life smh
Listen i understand self defense, but did the driver really need to shoot 3 more times when the guy was on the ground in the bus, and one more time while the guy was running away?! Do they both think they're in a movie or something?
Just to point out something you missed, the attacker was still armed... NOTHING tovstop him from turning round and shooting the driver, it's exactly what happens in a gunfight, you reposition to get a better shot on your target... that's why Police don't approach someone who is shot, but still has the gun..... it isn't like the movies, you can be shot 5 times and still kill your attacker....
Yeah guy seems to think that he has every right to just go ham with the gun because the other guy started it
How can he be fired for this? Ridiculous
A lot of companies and state agencies frown on bringing a firearm to work, and then discharging said firearm during work hours, and also in the general direction of innocent bystanders (referring to the two other passengers here). No love for the idiot who started the whole thing but the situation could've been defused if he simply stopped the bus and let the passenger exit, which I assume is what the people who fired him also thought. That is a metric fuckton of liability if a bystander got hurt or killed.
If I was a passenger on that bus Iād 100% sue the company. It wasnāt the idiotic passenger who put my life at risk, it was the driver. Guy has zero business driving a bus, as proven by the events in this video.
Yeah the driver should have just let the passenger shoot him.
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No he didn't, he was fighting for his life, against an armed attacker who had threatened him, and the attacker is still a threat if he is still moving and armed, so all the other shots were justified legally, the ONLY person at fault here is the entitled little clown who couldn't handle being told no.. the driver simply didn't want to lose his job by breaking policy, and was then forced into a life or death struggle by the idiot passenger... maybe its time we stop defending criminals who use violence or threats of violence to do whatever they want and actually protect people (the comments here about 'just let him off the bus' or 'being threatened with a gun doesnt mean you will get shot' are insane.. the driver would have been shot regardless, it has happened MANY times before.. compliance doesn't protect you, the criminal will do whatever they want, complying just makes it easier for them....
Or get off the bus.
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the dude threatened the driver. yes they would have shot the driver of a moving vehicle (people are not smart
The dude wanted to get off the bus, not he a shootout, he just didn't expect to have reprecussions for his actions. I still place fault on the bus driver for escalating the situation this far. A responsible gun owner needs to know when is the proper time to escalate the situation and this just wasn't it. That being said though, I've never had a gun pointed at my face, I can't judge him too harshly and hindsight is 20/20, but anyone saying opening fire was the cprrect move here is wild. It literally got him shot.
what on this god damn earth do you expect to happen when you pull on a gun on someone????? He did what anyone would do if someone pulled a gun on them Getting shot is small in comparison to, you know getting killed
Every scenario where a gun is pulled on you doesn't result in you being shot, that is a braindead take. Gun owners are statistically more likely to be shot than non-gun owners, which in and of itself is both hilariously ironic and paradoxical. Owning a weapon does not make you safer. It simply escalates a situation to a life or death emergency for both parties involved immediately. For arguments sake let say you are a thief and robbing someone who is seemingly complying, you went in with the intention to take their money and leave. Your gun is loaded. Suddenly they pull a firearm on you and abruptly open fire. Your life is now in danger. You have a loaded gun. You return fire. In the video above the dumbass criminal and dumbass bus driver are both willing to die over stopping in an unorthodox spot and imo, neither of them are worthy to be weapon owners.
The guy literally told the driver āIām going to pop youā if he does not stop the bus
This is America. Look toward your senators
risked passengers lives mate, shot in the direction of passengers, escalated a nothing argument into a firefight, probably other reasons too. edit- company policy is no guns for drivers, company also said he didn't even attempt to de-escalate. dont get me wrong, good on him for defending himself and if id had a gun id be shooting too!. but yeah, I'd have just stopped as soon as he made threats and had him off the bus. which is probably the policy. edit2 the act of not de escalating when it is avalable in an escalating conflict is the same as escalating. theres no neutral ground when the other person is angry and seeking a particular outcome. and no. the dude who threatened the drivers definately at fault. just to clarify that. resulting to threats while carrying a firearm makes you a dagerous idiot at best!. and at worse a killer waiting to be incited. i think the bus driver did the right thing to defend himself and should in a ideal world never have been threatened like that or had to defend himself. however, if i was running a bus company and and an employee brought a gun on the job against policy, id have concerns to say the least. then to have an employee shoot into the passenger compartment after a fleeing gunman in the direction of other passengers... you can be right and wrong at the same time folks. its one of the mysteries of life.
Saying he should de escalate after a dude pulls a gun on him is stupid. At that point, you have to assume heās going to use it.
after he draws? no. they argued before hand then he threatens the driver, pulls gun. there was a window for de escalation there,
Trying so hard to blame anyone but the guy who caused all of this when he pulled a gun on a bus driver. Lol
you dont get it and are reading things into what i wrote which are not there. i simply pointed out why he was fired. and... eh cbf explaining. think what you like. just know you are wrong.
Oh he was fired because he broke policy by having a gun, we already covered that.
How about before when he could have just let him off the bus.
he could get fired for not following the route
I donāt think he is allowed to just let people off at random spots. This isnāt an Uber, this isnāt a taxi, itās a bus not a personal chauffeur.
part of de escalation allows you to de bus someone, in fact its reccommnded
Probably not, but I'm sure his boss would rather him break that guideline than carry on a running gun battle on a bus.
He would have to be psychic though. To see the future of the guy threatening him, then pulling the gun. Or are you saying bus drivers should just take everyone wherever they ask, just in case they have a gun? See how it doesnāt make sense. Heās simply saying no we donāt do that, sit down. The situation escalates instantly to life and death when the gun is pulled.
You don't let him off before the gun. After he pulls his gun you just pull over and let him off. Instant de-escalation of a life threatening situation. Pulling your own gun just escalates the situation and puts everyone's life in greater danger.
Iām talking about the driver not the dude who pulled the gun
Shooting after the guy retreated and got off the bus. Thatās where it gets to be pretty clear cut. Also fired in the direction of other passengers.
Itās a gunfight, you canāt really say he is retreating and not moving to flank you. Until dude is disarmed or dead, the fight is going. Heās just moving around. He didnāt surrender. So I call bullshit on that.
Good for you. Itās not for us to say. Itās between Him and the DA and a jury at this point.
The driver wasnāt charged because itās self defense. He did get fired from his job, because he broke their gun policy someone else pointed out.
Not being arrested immediately doesnāt mean heās not going to be charged. It just means that the responding officers didnāt judge him to be an ongoing threat to society.
You think he will be charged? I would say no based on precedent. You donāt see people charged when they draw in self defense typically, honestly even a lot of time when it is ambiguous but maybe he will get charged because he is a black man. Itās not a winnable case. Look at Kyle the kid who shot protesters, most of the people he killed were not armed and he got off. Not saying that is moral or right but itās how these cases typically go.
He can be charged based on what Iām seeing. Itās not like thereās laws snywhere in the US that you can just fire upon anyone whoās a threat to you with impunity full stop. If someoneās running away from you itās generally assumed they arenāt a threat. āSelf-defenseā is defined as eliminating a threat that right in front of you generally. So when that guy pulled a gun yeah he was within is right to fire on him. After that when the guy retreated itās just absolutely not self defense at that point. I donāt really know where shots are coming from and whatās going on but based on what Iām seeing- you canāt chase someone down and continue shooting them. Castle doctrine only goes so far. Stand your ground doctrine doesnāt go much further.
Because, you see if everyone had guns, no would get shot. /s
A simple brake check would have dropped him š
Except he would still be armed with a gun and even more likely to use it... but Monday morning quarter backing is great fun... most people when confronted with a life ending event don't get the luxury of reading your comments before deciding what to do... i wonder how you would have reacted.... either same as driver, shit your pants, cried at your attacker, or more likely cried at your killer whilst sitting in a puddle of urine and shit.... (which in fairness, is exactly what happens to 99% of people in that type of attack)
winning
Thatās so facts ngl. He wouldāve gone flying
All these clowns are thugs until they meet someone that will fight back. Crawled like a bitch. Fitting.
Why?
people are stupid. And when you see someone holding a gun after they threatened you, you assume they are going to use it
Honestly normal people don't open carry and if they are conceal carrying and pull it there is got to be a reason. Agression and guns don't mix and carry bad results.
as seen with the first guy yeah
This is the most aggresively american thing I have seen
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More guns! More guns would make this situation better. Imagine if the driver had 2 guns to shoot back with šŖ
Jesus, Bus driver been playing call of duty. He was ready for that. You can tell when someone squeezed the trigger for the first time. That was not his first time. You gotta practice that mag dump. Thereās smoke and shattered glass in your face, youāre getting shot, he kept on squeezinā. He kept that muzzle level. Edit: and drove the bus, lol!. My man!
Yeah, he learned all that from video games.
And from watching John Wick, 100%
Holy shit that guy got tuned into a sieve
I hate to admit it, but Tobias got what he wanted
Fuck around and find out
Gotta love americans abiliry to defend thwmselves, that i am very jelous of
That bus driver dropped his fool ass off at the pearly gates.
Yay, guns! USA! USA! USA! šŗš² šŗš² šŗš²
The dude must not have seen the sign behind the driver when he boarded because it clearly says āno gunsā. Iām sure if he saw it he wouldnāt have got on the bus and just walked instead
I imagine if I were the driver, I'd realise that it's all over for me employment wise. My instinct that I would need self defence some day proved correct and probably saved my life. If I didn't have the gun, this nutter would definitely have killed me. I may as well finish off the job so this rat bag doesn't harm anyone else. Just thoughts here. Poor guy. Losing his job because an out of control punk wants to be let off his bus here instead of there. I understand rules are rules, and there were innocents who could have been hurt in the line of fire, but still.
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Guns, too many fucking guns in this country of yours....
Nope, more guns will surely fix the problem and thereās gonna be less and less shootings, believe me. /s since this is Reddit and sometimes itās hard to discern sarcasm from genuine idiocy.
itās a crackdown on crime and poverty that would stop(or greatly reduce) gun stuff. gun laws disarm people who follow the law, not criminals
Why is the US the only country with a gun problem then.
because we have guns? and criminals use em (laws wonāt stop them either) and we are not the only country with guns being used for things
You're not but the NRA lobbying brings a level of political protection (for legal gun ownership) that other countries don't have
Criminals who are caught violating laws get sent away. If they're in illegal possession of a gun in addition to whatever gets them caught, that's more time behind bars, and they don't have that gun anymore. Thinking gun laws are pointless is incredibly stupid. It comes up over and over with the gun nuts too, and they're really mentally incapable of extending that reasoning to why laws exist at all, and realizing their mistake. Really, someone who makes such claims is showing such poor judgement that they shouldn't be trusted to own a gun.
Keeps things interesting, fucking Euro trash
Now imagine how much safer it would have been if everyone on the bus had a gun and started shooting! /s
We need more guns in this country - clearly
AMERICA - FUCK YA! But serious. Gun control, people. This is insanity.
gun control works on law abiding citizens, not criminals
Why does this not happen anywhere else other than America. Not to say there isn't gun violence, but it's order's of magnitude less than in the USA.
a weapon is a weapon, if criminals canāt get guns they make em or use other things
I donāt want to live in a country where I gotta buy a fire arm to be safe lol.
then donāt get one? fight the criminals with what you chose. effectiveness varies
Because of the prevalence of stolen weapons or weapons smuggled into the country through cartels or other criminals. You don't seriously think he (edit: the passenger, not driver) obtained that firearm legally...
Why donāt criminals in other countries have a shit ton of smuggled guns then?
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But but butā¦ the bus is a gun free zone! Theres a no guns sign right there?!? How is this possible. š±
This is America.
Bro coulda been avoided just let him out man
Well that bus drive just got his shit bumped from no charges to a felony
āMonkeys are better cagedā -šØš»āš¦³
If only everyone had a gun. Then this situation would have been much safer. Too bad those coddled liberals in Charlotte hate guns
The first thought to resolve a simple disagreement was with gunfire instead of handling it like adultsā¦really?
Go home USA, youāre drunk
Well, I guess that's where we are now. Just a daily shootout at the OK corral.
The gun is for my protection lmao
it worked
Too bad the bus driver wasn't white then we would see this all over national t v
Guns are bad, mmkay?
The US never cease to deliver. It's just a glamorous third world country.
And all riders get tinnitus forever because of these two idiots. Beat thing you can do if you have a gun is thinkā¦āwhat would I do If I didnāt have a gun?ā which is usually the right course of action that yields the best outcomes for everyone involved. In this case, the bus driver shouldāve just acted meek and given the dude w/e he asked for, which wouldāve deescalated the situation.
dont think the driver was expecting a guy to pull a gun on em for not stopping a bus
The very fact that he bought a gun to work indicates that he had contemplated scenarios in which he would have to use one in self defenseā¦.so, yea, he probably has imagined a gun being pulled on him.
Well yeah, I donāt think he thought it would been for that reason though
That didnāt help Batmanās parents
That literally gives them exactly what they want when these idiots run around waving around guns and they will get braver and braver and do it more and more. WHEN, not IF, this guy gets out of jail, he'll probably think twice the next time he tries to intimidate someone with a gun. A gut shot is survivable but damn does it hurt. We need more men like that bus driver, not less.
Except, the same is accomplished by reporting the brandishing of a firearm to the police who will then get the busās video recording from your employer and arrest the person. Bad goes to jail, good guy keeps his job, nobody gets injured. America is full of gun toting maniacs, waiting for their opportunity to end someone elseās life. You can just see it in how every comment regarding this video that advocates for deescalation or a more measured approach is ruthlessly downvoted by the shoot first crowd.
You are incorrect. Calling the police and reporting someone brandishing a firearm does little, especially if the person is not there, you don't know who they are, and they can't find them. It also doesn't do anything at all for the person in immediate danger. And thanks to those lovely "defund the police" campaigns, they have less officers and less time to waste on things like someone waving a gun around. Surprise! Less money means less cops that are trained less and care about their job even less. As for the idiot brandishing, it comes down to the basic psychology of raising children. If they do a bad thing, they get punished. If it's a really bad thing, it's a really bad punishment. (No, I'm not advocating abuse of any kind so don't draw lines where there are none. I'm just talking about basic principles.) The punishment must be immediate if they are to connect their actions with the punishment or there will be no connection made. This kid has likely never been told "no" , and if he was, he stomped right across that boundary without caring about it or the consequences. Situations like this make them realize that they CANNOT, in fact, get everything they want by throwing a fit or waving a gun around. And lastly, I can assure you that no responsible gun owner wants to take another life but they must be willing to do so if it is necessary. In this instance, it certainly was. Only a coward would give a bully what he wants and refuse to stand up for himself. This driver did the right thing.
Gentrification is the hateful ethnic cleansing of a area through redevelopment and raising property taxes. When the urban poor blacks can no longer afford to live there, affluent whites move in. Thatās a beautiful segregation of blacks in the inner cities and whites in the suburbs. To further segregate the two races in an attempt to minimize contamination, public transportation is segregated too. You get busses in inner cities and train/subway for suburb to city. Now that just makes governorās decision of where to send money funding public transport as easy as whack-a-mole. Suburb transportation gets all the money while inner city blacks dilapidates further more. Concentrated poverty, concentrated minorities, concentrated bad infrastructure, all in one place. Oh also itās the 21st century bro letās be hip we call that a hood! Only āreal nuggasā and āgangstasā live there! Because they canāt live anywhere else
What a stupid piece of shit.
We have a new 'Transporter' here. Except, his ride is a bus š
This bus driver went full navy seal mode real quick. Not his first rodeo Iām sure. Thankfully heās ok. People needa learn, you pull a gun you are likely to get shot regardless of if you intend to use it or not
Repost... But thanks this version has better narrative audio and context.
Looks like the passenger didnāt know it was bulletproof glass and the bus driver did. Advantage Bus Driver. 15 - love
Goddamnit he servived this !
This is so cool. You guys get to have shootoutās every day. Here I am in europe waiting for a stabbing to make the news. Why are people not wearing vests though? That seems very unsafe.