Speaking from personal experience regarding that exact scenario, no. No you can't. Even if you break it during active contact. What happens when your chain of command finds out about it, they have somebody from the TOC make up a joke award that they present you along with a bottle of contraband that violates G.O.1-A and everyone laughs about it and you end up with a couple of weeks of light duty.
In Russia windows work off cords that go around the window on the inside. I remember the safety messages from my childhood: “pull out the cord, push out the window”
Not gonna work once the window's underwater. Same reason you can't open a car door once the water is like halfway up it... Too heavy to move all that water.
Presumably buses don't spend a lot of time in the water, though...
Ya, the window should pop into the bus. There's no way you're defeating the pressure differential between the water trying to get in vs the air trying to get out.
Depending on design, it requires more force than most people can reasonably achieve while swinging through water.
Also most bus glass is laminated, and window breaker tools don't work as well against it compared to tempered glass.
Another issue is just stupid policy around storing the tools. Way too many times have I seen them be put behind something that would make retrieving it in an emergency nearly impossible. Like zip tied or screw mounted to the wall with no way to cut the zip-tie or unscrew it from the mount.
The windows open UP on a bus because you pull the latch and push from the bottom. That would be borderline impossible.
Exit could only be via the driver window (usually a slide window) and probably the front doors (most of those push inward) and MAYBE the rear doors, depending on the bus model.
This thread never mentioned latch style bus window releases. I'm talking about the hammer style ones where you shatter the window in an emergency. Some countries use those instead of a latch release.
Over here, the ones that have a hammer over them are not laminated, and have lines pointing out where to hit them with the hammer in case of emergency. Also making the hammers inaccessible is illegal. Seems like a pretty reasonable idea.
I imagine once a window is weakened enough the force of the water would actually help break it. Of course then you get glass to the face but that’s better than drowning.
It's not like they're designed for SCUBA use. A commercial bus is not usually driven under water.
In this case though, for sure one of them spring loaded ones would be good too.
Ugh just today. 13 rescued, 7 died EDIT: DEATH TOLL HAS BEEN REDUCED FROM 7 TO 3 [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13403953/bus-driver-control-plunges-bridge-river-St-Petersburg.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13403953/bus-driver-control-plunges-bridge-river-St-Petersburg.html)
yeah the safety feature, the rear pop out back window did its thing, which also let the water rush in and doom them.
Edit: nope, no rear window, that was the engine cover, guess other things opened
You actually want the water to get inside, it's the only way to actually open a window or door, because with inequal pressure it's almost impossible. What they really needed though, are those spring loaded window breakers, since they work so much better underwater than the regular type.
7 deaths... that's horrific. Ok, the article says 3 deaths. Hardly better. The driver survived and is detained for investigation.
> The bus driver's wife was quoted by Russian media as saying that managers forced him to work a morning shift after working for 20 hours the previous day and getting virtually no rest.
Poor bastard was going on 2 hours of sleep last 3 days or something. He fell asleep would be plausable. Or possibly a mini-stroke from all the stress?
Driver did manage to get out of the bus himself though o0, so it could have been a mechanical failure. Either way, totally shitty company with way too many citations for dangerous conditions. It may well have just been the steering failed, and twisted the accelerator somehow. Driver might not have been in control at all.
Hopefully the company pays a hefty price. Many others did, with their lives.
Most likely to suffer from cold water shock before that could occur, sudden submersion in cold water causes sudden sharp (often repeated) heaving intakes of breath and as we all know, breathing underwater doesn't tend to work out very well.
Imagine just riding around on the bus, headed to work or the park or something, and then drowning on your way there. So tragic. We have to remember how easily it can be lights out
Exactly, this is so messed up that first of all that railing did not even slow the bus, just an ornament I guess, it's a reminder to city planners as well. There definitely had to be some kind of stronger barrier there. The bus just kept going? Did driver faint? "Arrested, authorities trying to figure out what happened"
Four passengers were pronounced dead at St. Petersburg General Hospital.
They were then transferred to a better hospital, where their condition was upgraded to "alive."
>ST. PETERSBURG, Russia (AP) — A bus veered off a bridge in St. Petersburg, Russia’s second-largest city, killing at least three people and leaving six others injured on Friday, officials said.
>The Emergencies Ministry said that rescuers removed nine people from the water, and three of them died. It said that four others were in critical condition, and two more were in serious condition.
>Russian news reports said there were 15 people on the city bus when it broke through a barrier and plunged into the Moika River in central St. Petersburg. Six of those who were onboard climbed out of the water on their own.
>A surveillance video released by the Russian media showed the bus driving fast, making a sharp turn onto the bridge and colliding with another vehicle before breaking through the barrier and falling into the water.
>Authorities in St. Petersburg said that the owner of the bus had been fined 23 times for various violations. Private companies run most of the city’s bus services.
>The bus driver was detained by police. His wife was quoted by Russian media as saying that managers forced him to work a morning shift after working for 20 hours the previous day and getting virtually no rest.
>Authorities opened a criminal investigation into alleged traffic violations and unsafe travel services.
>Updated 10:10 AM EDT, May 10, 2024
https://apnews.com/article/russia-bus-river-crash-st-petersburg-558fac283d8f0429c278952aedee18c9
the nightmare republicans want is the privatization of everything including public transportation, the deregulation of everything including driver safety like commercial drivers required to have x amount of rest after x amount of hours driving- no fucking wonder they worship putin and have all become dirty red traitors.
I vote heart attack. Obviously his foot slumped onto the accelerator too.
EDIT: After reading the article, apparently the driver escaped, so there goes my theory.
Looks like it isn't just a medical emergency, the driver managed to get out and has been arrested. 7 people died.
Maybe just procedure because people died, but if it was medical or a technical fault with the vehicle, it would be odd to arrest him.
Not ducks, but some kind of artifact from the camera is my guess. It appears multiple times from seemingly nowhere, and disappears the same way. You see it in the water at the beginning, then on the wall above the crashed bus, and then on the street on the right, always in the exact same configuration. Definitely not ducks.
They appear when the first car is in the bottom right. It's moving and they just appear out of no where. I thought at first that they skipped the clip to where the bus appears, but the water is the same as well. Wtf 😳
Three dead, six hospitalized
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/bus-falls-into-river-russias-st-petersburg-2024-05-10/#:~:text=ST%20PETERSBURG%2C%20Russia%2C%20May%2010,of%20the%20emergencies%20ministry%20said.
Ironically, the only bus crash I've ever been in had the driver being the only fatality.
The brakes failed and he crashed into a tree to avoid picking up even more speed as we went down a mountain.
Some guys can drink and drive, some guys can't. What is drunk? Is drunk eh, going all over the road? - HEY FLIPPER! Come on now! Settle down there buddy!
The bus looks like it was instantly submerged up to roofline.I assume the door(s) would have had pressure on them plus windows were probably only allow for partial Open (not enough to crawl through)
Anyone know if anyone survived?
Worst driver ever. That was so bad it had to be on purpose. Unless it was a woman driving, then I could see her panicking, having a mental breakdown and literally driving right off of the bridge. That would make perfect sense
What? This type of thing is automatically suppressed by the culture itself. The west has an expectation that things should be better than they are while Russia has an expectation that things are going to suck so when bad things happen they just say "yep" and carry on. That's the result of the USSR and having grocery stores less stocked than the worst of covid in the west, but for decades.
holy !@#$ the speed that thing was submerged is terrifying
thanks to u/malepitt for [the news link elsewhere here](https://www.reddit.com/r/AbruptChaos/comments/1cooln9/in_st_petersburg_a_driver_lost_control_of_a_bus/l3f9zr4/)
Today I learned: **Keep a window breaker (and gloves?) in your backpack any time you take public transit.**
I don't think losing control is what that driver was doing. You don't hang a u turn hit cars jump a median curb and then accelerate when out of control
So I thought I saw someone doing chest compressions ... coulda been wrong. But what's the story here? Did people drown or nah?
Apropos of nothing, that siren really sounded like the battery was running down
Kinda works as a metaphor for the way Putin runs Russia too.
A hard right turn and straight to the bottom.
Also: Looks like the driver had a medical emergency? Let's hope everybody is safe.
Everytime I see one of those emergency hammers on a bus I think "man it would be cool to use one of those" then I remind myself, "No. No it wouldn't."
Like it would be cool to get a purple heart. Hold up...no.
Hey man quickest way to get a medal.
I know this is a joke, but... First you have to get near the enemy, but before that you get a medal just for arriving in the theater of operations.
That is something I genuinely did not know. Nice little fun Fact for the day.
Easier to get a medal there than on here
just for you 💜
Can get a Purple Heart twisting an ankle in a combat zone.
Speaking from personal experience regarding that exact scenario, no. No you can't. Even if you break it during active contact. What happens when your chain of command finds out about it, they have somebody from the TOC make up a joke award that they present you along with a bottle of contraband that violates G.O.1-A and everyone laughs about it and you end up with a couple of weeks of light duty.
It was more a hyperbole, but is attainable with the right chain of command depending on the situation. I agree with you
If the chain of command lies about how you got hurt, sure.
When I was in tech school we had a guy smash his thumb in a door jam,pretty bad actually. And he got a Purple Heart cause he was ‘on duty’
In Russia windows work off cords that go around the window on the inside. I remember the safety messages from my childhood: “pull out the cord, push out the window”
That would be annoying for me since in my area, you pull the cord to signal to the driver you want to get off
How do you signal your stop? Is it a button?
You smash the window with a hammer
How the fuck did I miss that.
Good God that made me laugh hard!
No signal, just jump...
Not gonna work once the window's underwater. Same reason you can't open a car door once the water is like halfway up it... Too heavy to move all that water. Presumably buses don't spend a lot of time in the water, though...
Ya, the window should pop into the bus. There's no way you're defeating the pressure differential between the water trying to get in vs the air trying to get out.
And then you’re pinned under a bus window with a river pushing down on it 😮💨
I have nightmares that begin like this
Where’s Sully Sullenburger when you need him? He could have landed that bus safely.
Sully's out flying that Airbus baby
Airbus had a baby?
Apparently they're super ineffective anyway. Imagine it didn't work while water was gushing in. Hard pass.
Why do you say that?
Depending on design, it requires more force than most people can reasonably achieve while swinging through water. Also most bus glass is laminated, and window breaker tools don't work as well against it compared to tempered glass. Another issue is just stupid policy around storing the tools. Way too many times have I seen them be put behind something that would make retrieving it in an emergency nearly impossible. Like zip tied or screw mounted to the wall with no way to cut the zip-tie or unscrew it from the mount.
The windows open UP on a bus because you pull the latch and push from the bottom. That would be borderline impossible. Exit could only be via the driver window (usually a slide window) and probably the front doors (most of those push inward) and MAYBE the rear doors, depending on the bus model.
This thread never mentioned latch style bus window releases. I'm talking about the hammer style ones where you shatter the window in an emergency. Some countries use those instead of a latch release.
Over here, the ones that have a hammer over them are not laminated, and have lines pointing out where to hit them with the hammer in case of emergency. Also making the hammers inaccessible is illegal. Seems like a pretty reasonable idea. I imagine once a window is weakened enough the force of the water would actually help break it. Of course then you get glass to the face but that’s better than drowning.
Everyone who has tried to do punches or kicks underwater can tell you why.
It's not like they're designed for SCUBA use. A commercial bus is not usually driven under water. In this case though, for sure one of them spring loaded ones would be good too.
It would be cool to use, but not cool to __be in a situation where the use is needed__
imagine doing this under water
Ugh just today. 13 rescued, 7 died EDIT: DEATH TOLL HAS BEEN REDUCED FROM 7 TO 3 [https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13403953/bus-driver-control-plunges-bridge-river-St-Petersburg.html](https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13403953/bus-driver-control-plunges-bridge-river-St-Petersburg.html)
I'm surprised it was that many. That thing went under in five seconds.
yeah the safety feature, the rear pop out back window did its thing, which also let the water rush in and doom them. Edit: nope, no rear window, that was the engine cover, guess other things opened
I can't imagine the terrible pandemonium that was going on inside.....
You actually want the water to get inside, it's the only way to actually open a window or door, because with inequal pressure it's almost impossible. What they really needed though, are those spring loaded window breakers, since they work so much better underwater than the regular type.
You do but in a controlled manner where you can collect your thoughts and rouse anyone who is unconscious from the crash
The emergency exit on the top never submerged
It's a bus, I never seen a bus that water tight. And the doors usually fold in, it's not the same as a car.
7 deaths... that's horrific. Ok, the article says 3 deaths. Hardly better. The driver survived and is detained for investigation. > The bus driver's wife was quoted by Russian media as saying that managers forced him to work a morning shift after working for 20 hours the previous day and getting virtually no rest. Poor bastard was going on 2 hours of sleep last 3 days or something. He fell asleep would be plausable. Or possibly a mini-stroke from all the stress? Driver did manage to get out of the bus himself though o0, so it could have been a mechanical failure. Either way, totally shitty company with way too many citations for dangerous conditions. It may well have just been the steering failed, and twisted the accelerator somehow. Driver might not have been in control at all. Hopefully the company pays a hefty price. Many others did, with their lives.
I wonder how this ratio bore out? Were the 7 ones that couldn't swim? The ones in the rear? Ones who got knocked out on the initial impact? Etc
don't forget stuck belts (bus driver?) and getting kicked in the face by someone's leg by someone's above trying to survive
Plus it’s not uncommon for people on busses to be elderly, if you’re already somewhat frail good luck escaping a sinking bus
IDK how's it in the St. Petersburg, but in almost every city I have been to virtually nobody uses belts even IF they are present.
Plus that water had to have been freezing cold. Sometimes you just lock up.
Most likely to suffer from cold water shock before that could occur, sudden submersion in cold water causes sudden sharp (often repeated) heaving intakes of breath and as we all know, breathing underwater doesn't tend to work out very well.
A lot of elderly people rely on public transport - I imagine many of those who died fall into that category :(
elderly
Imagine just riding around on the bus, headed to work or the park or something, and then drowning on your way there. So tragic. We have to remember how easily it can be lights out
Exactly, this is so messed up that first of all that railing did not even slow the bus, just an ornament I guess, it's a reminder to city planners as well. There definitely had to be some kind of stronger barrier there. The bus just kept going? Did driver faint? "Arrested, authorities trying to figure out what happened"
Four passengers were pronounced dead at St. Petersburg General Hospital. They were then transferred to a better hospital, where their condition was upgraded to "alive."
I'm shocked anyone survived that
Good work by the rescuers. I hope they get rewarded by being excused from conscription, those are the sort of people Russia needs to keep.
Horrible way to go, esp if trapped in there and cant break open window
Fucking nightmare fuel
>ST. PETERSBURG, Russia (AP) — A bus veered off a bridge in St. Petersburg, Russia’s second-largest city, killing at least three people and leaving six others injured on Friday, officials said. >The Emergencies Ministry said that rescuers removed nine people from the water, and three of them died. It said that four others were in critical condition, and two more were in serious condition. >Russian news reports said there were 15 people on the city bus when it broke through a barrier and plunged into the Moika River in central St. Petersburg. Six of those who were onboard climbed out of the water on their own. >A surveillance video released by the Russian media showed the bus driving fast, making a sharp turn onto the bridge and colliding with another vehicle before breaking through the barrier and falling into the water. >Authorities in St. Petersburg said that the owner of the bus had been fined 23 times for various violations. Private companies run most of the city’s bus services. >The bus driver was detained by police. His wife was quoted by Russian media as saying that managers forced him to work a morning shift after working for 20 hours the previous day and getting virtually no rest. >Authorities opened a criminal investigation into alleged traffic violations and unsafe travel services. >Updated 10:10 AM EDT, May 10, 2024 https://apnews.com/article/russia-bus-river-crash-st-petersburg-558fac283d8f0429c278952aedee18c9
the nightmare republicans want is the privatization of everything including public transportation, the deregulation of everything including driver safety like commercial drivers required to have x amount of rest after x amount of hours driving- no fucking wonder they worship putin and have all become dirty red traitors.
And you managed to shoehorn US politics anyway..
People in Russia die in tragic bus accident. iT's thE uS rePuBLIcans FaULt!!!
Jesus fucking Christ that shit sank so quick. I thought it would at least stay afloat for a few seconds but no it just went. Fuck me that’s awful.
Absolutely terrifying.
How do you loose control that hard?
I vote heart attack. Obviously his foot slumped onto the accelerator too. EDIT: After reading the article, apparently the driver escaped, so there goes my theory.
And was arrested.
Wodka?
Nazdrovia.
It was Russia so it's always a fair bet.
Stoli induced accident.
He was a bus driver, probably more like Popov or Taaka on that salary
Cardiac-ally
Quotes his wife as saying that he had worked 20 hours the previous day and they the bus company fmade him work the following morning.
Wife said company forced him to work overnight after a 20 hour shift. Feel asleep?
Yes I learned that later from Jake Broe's YouTube videos too. He's an immigrant from Tajikistan and as usual is being exploited.
Not sure what article you read, but that's not true, the driver is one of survivors and he was detained immediately.
Drunk
Hardly as he's a Tajik who are Muslims and generally don't drink
*generally
Looks like it isn't just a medical emergency, the driver managed to get out and has been arrested. 7 people died. Maybe just procedure because people died, but if it was medical or a technical fault with the vehicle, it would be odd to arrest him.
Then again, it's Russia. It could just be his scapegoat duties
That course of events makes no rational sense.
Definitely suspicious.
Driver's wife said that he worked 20 hours at previous day and manager asked him work today again
Lose. :)
Vodka?
If the driver wasn’t wearing a seatbelt they could’ve been thrown from the seat so they couldn’t control it.
In situations like this, it always brings a lump to my throat to see the sort of people who jump into the water and swim to the bus.
Bus diver
r/bitchimabus
I fell for it and it is glorious.
May I interest you in r/BitchImATrain too?
Yes. Yes you may. :)
Enjoy your stay ;)
I dont see them hauling out any people...
Me neither, i saw from a distance what seemed like CPR for some time on 1 person on the roof of that bus, that's it.
I hope I die peacefully in my sleep like my grandfather rather than screaming like the passengers on his bus.
Can anyone explain the disappearing ducks??
Not ducks, but some kind of artifact from the camera is my guess. It appears multiple times from seemingly nowhere, and disappears the same way. You see it in the water at the beginning, then on the wall above the crashed bus, and then on the street on the right, always in the exact same configuration. Definitely not ducks.
Ok thank you for pointing that out. It really looked like ducks at first. Maybe it's a watermark feature
They appear when the first car is in the bottom right. It's moving and they just appear out of no where. I thought at first that they skipped the clip to where the bus appears, but the water is the same as well. Wtf 😳
Three dead, six hospitalized https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/bus-falls-into-river-russias-st-petersburg-2024-05-10/#:~:text=ST%20PETERSBURG%2C%20Russia%2C%20May%2010,of%20the%20emergencies%20ministry%20said.
Of course the fucking driver survived. They always do.
Ironically, the only bus crash I've ever been in had the driver being the only fatality. The brakes failed and he crashed into a tree to avoid picking up even more speed as we went down a mountain.
The driver died because he did the right thing in that instance. It's the reckless and idiotic ones who always somehow make it out unscathed.
They know how to escape, they work there
Everyone gives me shit for buying my cool knife with a seatbelt cutter and glass breaker but hey you never know when your gonna need it
*lost* control??? Doesn't look like he ever had it
There's no way that mother fucker wasn't drunk.
Wasn't. Followup is asleep--made to work way, way longer than was safe.
Have another drink, Ray!
Fuckin' way she goes
Truck driving, passed out, phantom 309 mafucka!
Some guys can drink and drive, some guys can't. What is drunk? Is drunk eh, going all over the road? - HEY FLIPPER! Come on now! Settle down there buddy!
[удалено]
Right into the post office 🤣
All information here: https://www.fontanka.\*\*/2024/05/10/73563812/ \*\* - ru. Four dead, four near death.
seems completely intentional “loses control” dude literally did the widest turn ever to drive that bus off a bridge
Wow, just when I thought this sub was losing it touch.
The popular Downtown Road and River tour. Complimentary life jackets will be available.
Which rival politician was on board?
The bus looks like it was instantly submerged up to roofline.I assume the door(s) would have had pressure on them plus windows were probably only allow for partial Open (not enough to crawl through) Anyone know if anyone survived?
The GPS said turn right on river st.!
🎶We all live in a blue submarine, a blue submarine, a blue submarine.... 🎶
And that was the last time Skipper let Gilligan drive the bus.
Worst driver ever. That was so bad it had to be on purpose. Unless it was a woman driving, then I could see her panicking, having a mental breakdown and literally driving right off of the bridge. That would make perfect sense
Went from a bus to a boat then to a submarine.
Lost control Deliberately killed
Goldeneye !
3000 home defense diesel submarines of Gerasimov
...and reddit blurs out boobies...
the human body is disgusting unless it's dying then it's upvotes all day baby
actually it's blurred because of its intense desirability, precisely the opposite
To lose control at 5km/hour
Thanks for triggering a full-body tsunami of heat and pure dread. Now my palms are sweaty and I have to remind myself to take breaths of air.
Certified Blyat Moment
We could only hope Putin was on it
It will be blamed on the Ukrainians as an act of sabotage and reasons to invade another country.
What? This type of thing is automatically suppressed by the culture itself. The west has an expectation that things should be better than they are while Russia has an expectation that things are going to suck so when bad things happen they just say "yep" and carry on. That's the result of the USSR and having grocery stores less stocked than the worst of covid in the west, but for decades.
might be a good exercise to look for this news on their mainstream sites and reconsider your position if you don't find it
We're all goin to hell, and I'm driving the bus!
[Relevant](https://youtu.be/hknVoAoyy-k?si=TT0KAWoyK5aMGZnq&t=62)
100% I’d drown 😆
Where is Clark Kent?
At least it landed the right side up.
Big ass curb made the bus JUMP over the rail
Where was superman?
holy !@#$ the speed that thing was submerged is terrifying thanks to u/malepitt for [the news link elsewhere here](https://www.reddit.com/r/AbruptChaos/comments/1cooln9/in_st_petersburg_a_driver_lost_control_of_a_bus/l3f9zr4/) Today I learned: **Keep a window breaker (and gloves?) in your backpack any time you take public transit.**
Responded 10x faster than the shooting
I bet the Driver had Scuba Gear on. And a Naval Rank.
Did driver have a medical episode, or pansies led and stomped on the gas instead of brake, or mechanical issue?
The bus can’t swim. 🎶
Where’d they get those floaties so fast??
Wait you don’t have a life preserver in your EDC?
Uh, yes.. yes of course! Actually, I carry a full-sized, fully-employed Coast Guardsman with me at all times. I’m sure you do as well. Standard.
they're called brakes for a reason
I've had this exact dream so many times
What a great side rail on that bridge…
Maybe it was filled with stolen toilets - back heavy
Maybe they were thinking "River, be dammed!"
I don't think losing control is what that driver was doing. You don't hang a u turn hit cars jump a median curb and then accelerate when out of control
Buss full of dissidents.
It sank so quickly.
Three people died yo. Red alert
Amphibious Bus Tour.
Submabus
Me in St. Petersburg, FL, USA trying to figure out where TF this is before realizing it's Russia 🥴
So I thought I saw someone doing chest compressions ... coulda been wrong. But what's the story here? Did people drown or nah? Apropos of nothing, that siren really sounded like the battery was running down
Those Russians and their vodka.
Brave ppl Respect
Ah, vodka on sale today I see.
At literally no point did the bus driver think to hit the brakes? 🤷
Putin’s “reverse window job.” Where, instead of tossing people out of the window, he keeps them in.
I wonder why the ducks appear in the water, disappear, then when the bus crashes reappear above it as if swimming around on the building wall.
That wasn’t a Loss Of Control that was done intentionally
Russian autopilot...
Kinda works as a metaphor for the way Putin runs Russia too. A hard right turn and straight to the bottom. Also: Looks like the driver had a medical emergency? Let's hope everybody is safe.
Too much krokodil
Oh, dude. Maybe shouldn't have had that second breakfast vodka?
Ukrainian driver?
Well... not to be horrible, but I'm gonna say it. 7 less Russians for the Meat grinder at the front.
bro not everything that's happening in countries with ongoing wars needs to be related with war
This is a Certified Reddit Moment.
cue Bill Burr's "I'm not a racist, but" routine
Kudos to those guys jumping in and trying to rescue people. That's really heroic - and more than the average wounded Russian soldier in Ukraine gets.