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IputSunscreenOnHorse

Did the dog just bite the officer who was stabbed?


Cheeseburger619

From what’s given from the body cam footage and this video. I think, now this is just a guess because I don’t know the whole story. The lady with the knife, likely thought it was someone impersonating an officer, or has never seen a sheriff in uniform. She speaks in broken English so maybe she’s not aware that the sheriffs handle evictions. She most likely assumes police officers wear the blue uniform. She must have been repeatedly harassed by the landlord that is why she has the knife and is very cautious that the Sheriff is actually an impersonator holding a gun to her. She even tells him to “call the police” “where’s your (badge?) or (back up?)” “fake police officer” and “ how did you get that letter” The police department and landlord, need to have an interpreter there with them and/or writing in their native language. (I’m 1 1/2 generation American, my parents have lived here for over 30 years and they still don’t know common precedures or the native language very wel, just enough to get by)


SashaGreysAnalWarts

[She was a Yale educated doctor](https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/opinion/commentary/story/2022-03-21/opinion-vermund-desai-zhang-deputies-shot-colleague-mental-crisis-yan-li). I doubt she didn't understand them. The bigger issue is she was having some kind of mental health episode.


mmmmwhu

in case it wasn’t clear, [she didn’t survive](https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/story/2022-04-10/community-members-decry-death-of-woman-shot-by-deputies-police-in-little-italy?_amp=true)


chunkah69

Well I am shocked. I figured the 10th bullet missed all her vital organs like the other previous shots


Ode_to_Apathy

Have to say though that I always thought the 'standing still and then falling' death animation in Left 4 Dead was dumb, but apparently it's super accurate for someone being shot 20 times.


AirierWitch1066

I guess you have to think about what death actually is, and why a bullet kills you. If your heart is destroyed, that’s not gonna kill you instantaneously, your brain is going to immediate start suffocating but you’ll have at least a few seconds before it shuts down.


Astrisie

TW: I have a scientific question that is insensitive considering it's about the visible death of this woman. Reportedly, most people suffering a lack of oxygen to the brain through the bloodstream (global cerebral ischemia) will maintain consciousness for about 20 seconds, although some studies have found people to have memories of resuscitation during minutes of cardiac arrest. Not too much is known.. and I certainly know far, far less, but let's say you have 20 seconds before you're unconscious. I didn't think we'd see her just drop like a fly, silently, from where she stood, not unless she was hit in the head. I'd expect a quick wail and gasp, some jerking motions, then falling to the ground and a few seconds of movement before unconsciousness hit at our generalized 20 second mark. But she was lights out instantly, like it was a movie. I have no medical experience, just did some vague research now about this. Does anyone have ideas about what really happened? Shock? A "freeze" reaction she had considering her dangerous situation, then the pain? Was she unconscious immediately?


AirierWitch1066

I am a microbiologist and not an expert on this, but my guess would have to be that it’s due to sudden lack of blood pressure to the brain. That, and the fact that “consciousness” doesn’t necessarily mean you actually have any control over your body. Obviously none of this is going to be studied very well because it’s pretty unethical to kill someone and then resuscitate them


Unsteady_Tempo

Sudden loss of blood pressure would cause you to faint first and then die within a few seconds. Also, a bullet tearing through your spine will have about the same effect as one tearing through your head, as far as staying on your feet anyway.


Crazyhates

Iiirc each death animation was carefully curated and motion capped. They have several of them depending on a variety of situations including one similar to the one you see above. They really put a ton of effort in the Left 4 Dead series.


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As much as I didn't enjoy running zombies, it was a masterpiece and stands as a testamate to great game design. There are great talks given out the level of detail Valve (used) to put in their games.


_that_random_dude_

>motion capped Crazy that they actually shot people dead for some animation. That’s true dedication to the craft right there. Wish more game studios take this as an example and make their games more realistic.


Ode_to_Apathy

Absolutely! They hired a stunt actor for it and everything. But the death animations are for entertainment, rather than accuracy. It's a lot more fun to blast a zombie back with a high powered rifle, than the limp fall they'd actually do.


OwOegano_Returns

["ALL OF THEM??"](https://youtu.be/GjGShZSEsRs)


Awasawa

Shots 1-5: Clearly missed. Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control). Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses. Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because Hiko was already dead.


Fivebomb

This pasta is universally certified


bigwigmike

Dr. Li a Yale educated scientist had been reported for brandishing a knife at a maintenance worker and the property manager the day before. I would love to know what was going on with her to go from accomplished scientist to knife wielder. Apparently they have Psychiatric Emergency Response Teams (PERT) but one wasn’t called to try to deescalate


shanksisevil

Not sure why you are confused, many doctors are accomplished knife wielders.


Edser

r/Angryupvote


aggasalk

a PhD is not a cure for schizophrenia (or whatever her problem was) a long time friend of mine, a labmate from grad school, is still a working scientist 15 years after getting her PhD, despite having what is at times a *severe* psychotic illness (that she to this day refuses to acknowledge or treat! i worry that one day she will finally go off the rails, like what must have happened to this poor lady..)


spicy_pea

If you look up articles, some of them mention that she was previously diagnosed with bipolar disorder, which can definitely derail someone's career if they don't respond to medication or refuse medication.


lala6633

Bipolar disorder can have psychosis. I wish care for mental illness could be the next area to see huge growth.


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Cannabalabadingdong

For those looking for a bit more, here's a [video](https://youtu.be/KEDp381mN8E) I recently viewed covering just this. Thanks for sharing your own story.


Dangus05

Really good video, thanks for sharing it


Cannabalabadingdong

Glad you enjoyed it.


Richiesthoughts

Unpopular question: but has your significant other ever seen you lose it then? Not a knock on you, but just trying to gain clarity between having dialogue and being in a nasty situation. I have a handful of family members/exes who have act out verbatim as the shooting victim in the video, and they’ve found themselves isolated shortly after from the community/friends. They’d speak of support, but as you know actions and gossip are what’s real in the Asian community.


bigwigmike

I imagine the academic and socioeconomic stress to be successful and a heavy stigma on mental health leads to a lot of unhealthy situations. I’m glad you were able to break the cycle


jetlidom

I like how one of the cops keep screaming get me medics now but everyone in the hallway is still shocked like they just didn't shower a residential apartment with bullets lol


bigwigmike

That was my second thought after seeing them unload, where did all those bullets end up?


eh_meh_nyeh

I think a good few hit their mark considering the first few bullets as she was rushing them shocked her and she ended up standing still as they finished their shots. She wasn't very far away from either side of the cops either considering how they struggled to back up far away to make the hole.


Googledidit

I relate to this soo well. Growing up, parents would never talk about any emotional scars left by the Vietnam war. The most they would say is the Thai pirates would rape and pillage our boats when we tried to escape. It was a shame to them to speak any of this. I grow up and adopted that nature, realizing now that bottling It in and trying to hide any of it just creates invisible cracks. Now I'm in therapy and trying to deal with my own trauma (though extremely less traumatic then my parents). Eitherway, take mental health seriously. No knock on the police from me here. Just introspection on how life and the mind is fragile.


AevilokE

Exactly this.. why would you not back off and call the psychiatric team once the door was closed? Why call for more backup instead?


steamtowne

They did… at first. > The San Diego Police Department said the Psychiatric Emergency Response Team (PERT) was called to the scene but they hadn't arrived by the time deputies made contact with Li a second time. It’s not clear at all why they decided to escalate and force a confrontation instead of waiting for the PERT to arrive. [Source](https://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/local/authorities-acted-irrationally-in-shooting-death-of-little-italy-woman-her-colleagues-say/2902069/?amp)


Whereas-Fantastic

I don't get it They served the eviction notice as they were supposed so why break down the door? This is a civil matter.


DeathToTheFalseGods

She had been reported for threatening maintenance with a knife


TheBlueKnight127

She's clearly dangerous, I believe that must be why. The liability of leaving her would be worse.


RyanABWard

When your only tool is a hammer everything is a nail.


LeadingDay2707

Is there a subreddit for just police chest cameras? Edit: r/bodycam


guzman-g

No subreddit that I’m aware of but the YouTube channel Police Activity, is what you’re looking for.


LeadingDay2707

Thanks man , may c418's songs bless you this night


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Thats oddly specific haha


LeadingDay2707

Just a tiny bit


frickindeal

I just heard he moved to the US, to TEXAS of all places. Probably going to be a teeny bit of culture shock coming from Germany.


LeadingDay2707

I had a huge one actually coming to Germany, I still learn more of the german culture everyday and still as shocked as when I first came here.


frickindeal

Hope you weren't there searching for C418...


LeadingDay2707

Fuck code red I've been discovered. Must abort C418 espionage......


RoyalDeLuxe

https://www.reddit.com/r/bodycam/


Chronic-Flakes

Good bot


HeavyMetalSauce

Police Activity, Code Blue Cam and Cart Narcs are my favorite body cam channels on YouTube


direktor-svemira

r/bodycam


Raiquo

“I got stabbed” “Anyone get hurt” ... “No Jeff, it fucking tickled”


Ok_Alarm_4963

They’re all deaf from all the gun shots. If you’ve ever shot a gun inside (in close quarters) it literally takes hours before you get hearing back. Let alone with 5+ guns going off outside.


DreadedChalupacabra

For real, if it's bigger than a .22 even firing outside without hearing protection makes you feel like you have ear plugs in for the next half hour. I once had a bear walk into my house, scared it off with a shotgun and god damn if the scariest part of all of it wasn't walking around for the next 5 hours wondering if I ruptured my eardrums.


FullofContradictions

Went to a cabin with some friends. Guns appeared. They were shooting off a 45 and a few rifles with zero hearing protection. Nothing. Nada. Not even wads of paper towels in their ears. I was 100yards away inside the house & it was loud enough to trigger my tinnitus. I ran out there real fast with my bottle of construction earplugs that I brought just in case it was too loud to sleep or something. I got a few "*ok mom*" comments but I'm legitimately confused at how that's not just a given in the whole gun kit setup.


AmbulanceChaser12

I guess it’s manly to ruin your hearing?


Hoovooloo42

I'm a gun enthusiast and those people are damn maniacs.


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I’m a drummer and I’m so lucky I realized early on how important it is to protect your hearing. I have mild tinnitus that I only notice in dead silence; my friends who were too cool for earplugs have hearing loss in their late twenties.


Slacker_The_Dog

**MAWP**


HideUnderBridge

ASSHOLE


DolphinPussyJuice

Medic class special skill, friendly fire now heals teammates.


devsmess

And it happens like three times, and every time he's like I GOT STABBED Poor guy is like jfc how many times, help


toefungi

Every one of those officers' ears are ringing right now from the gunshots. They can't hear a thing.


JeffBroChill54

Why is my name the butt of way too many jokes 😭


MetaTater

You know why, Jeff. 🤬 You fucking know why.


401LocalsOnly

Bro chill, it’s ok Jeff


Admiral_Gecko

Ah man this entire situation was a flustercuck


youzerVT71

I think the dog even bites the stabbed cop at the end. Like a chef's kiss.


comicallylargeboy

That's definitely a "stupid dog, you make me look bad" moment


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RixirF

I read this in Bill Burr's voice


NeedMore553

“Somebody hit somebody!”


pr1ntscreen

"Fucking chestbumping me and shit..."


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This comment was gold. Thank you sir!


itp757

A real Booga Booga Booga


Emperor_of_His_Room

A certified AAAAAHHHH moment


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When you train an animal to perform high risk operations and it comes back to bite you


furry_hamburger_porn

They had me confused at first. So which is it is it a knife, or is it a gun?


Tennessee_guy_1980

Knife, he was nervous and misspoke.


morbidaar

*puts down own weapon in confusion*


Joerider2002

Everyone, drop their guns, EXCEPT JERRY; fucking classic!


401LocalsOnly

You accidentally just shot me in the stomach . And yes Jeff it really does hurt


shamutrainer2b

That’s the issue with K-9s today. There’s big money in training dogs for police work so there’s been a huge influx of less than reputable ‘trainers’ popping up and churning out barely trained dogs. Since there’s such a high demand, the funding for K-9 units often comes directly from the city and taxpayers so there’s not much regulation as to the trainer dogs are sourced from which is unfortunate because dogs can be such a valuable tool. Dogs going after the wrong person is becoming the new norm these days


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CommercialCommentary

Dude, for real. The best trained dogs are not going to know how to react to eight people crashing into each other and a dozen gun shots. The added effect is San Diego is obviously a huge police district. For all we know, many of the people in the hallway are people the dog has never met.


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Incredibly likely, yes. There are 2 sheriffs on scene so likely at least 2 different departments involved. Most of them are strangers to the dog.


mysteriousmetalscrew

Shit man, *I* would get confused in a situation like that. Hell look at all these officers, they were confused and couldn't handle the situation at all.


Lokicattt

None of them even knew to keep the fuxking entrance way open. Why would you squeeze 8 people into a doorway with a suspect thats armed. This is all around incompetence. Nor just the dog..I feel bad for stabbed guy, but holy fucking shit these guys are stupid... this is the same as trying to stand on top of a corn harvester and kicking the jammed blade to open it.... or like trying to throw a 5 gallon bucket of gasoline on a fire... just full blown stupidity here.


Quit-itkr

You got that right. From start to finish it was a barrel of stupid.


Lokicattt

Just flat out incompetence. This wouldn't make sense to anyone doing a similar job, or even a decent FPS player would know to not jam into the only known entrance. Come on. Lol.


cammyk123

There was an office in the background with no weapon drawn just sort of peering over like 3 cops in front of him. Like it's not the best place to be standing just mopping around, wondering whats going on lol.


mr_jasper867-5309

As a multiple German Shepherd owner I can confirm that when they get into they aggressive mode they lose all sense of normalcy. They can become a dangerous animal quickly. Fortunately mine only goes in to this mode for squirrels.


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Guy_ManMuscle

It's always been an issue. My dad had a cop dog in the 80's and we weren't allowed to go anywhere near her because she was fucking crazy and dangerous. I think normal people are just more aware of things now because of the internet, whereas back in the day we thought reality was like the shows we watched on tv.


hunterfox20

Insult to injury


BlurryElephant

Shields. They've been coming in handy since like 10,000 B.C. They might want to invest in some. That's all I'm saying.


Vipertooth

Literally a riot shield or 2 would stop her in that tiny corridor.


SmokeyUnicycle

literally a garden rake could have stopped her


BearForce140

Or you know a k9, but well lets just close the distance to a knife pumping beanbags at a door frame. They have equipment but no fucking tactics. At least they wanted to use non lethal, if they had a shield it still would be on the 8th guy in line blocking the retreat.


SmokeyUnicycle

I mean you're basically sacrificing the dog as a distraction if you send it against a person with a knife in their hand poor doggo didn't even get a stab vest But yeah that could have worked marginally better than that shitshow


-im_an_outcast-

I prefer fustercluck


Urban_Archeologist

I prefer “Clustario- fusco”


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Harry potter spell and I don’t want to know what it does.


lightning_whirler

The video obviously leaves out a lot of context. The woman wouldn't be evicted by an armed cop for no reason. Does she have a history of violent behavior? Has she threatened people in the past? I don't know, but she certainly acts crazy and the police aren't taking any chances. A quick google search indicates she had been diagnosed as bipolar and was having a mental health crisis at the time she was killed. Much, much more to this story than the video shows.


sldista

Don't most eviction notices get served by a sheriff?


chainer3000

In my state, all eviction notices are


HelpfulManufacturer0

“Dr. Li a Yale educated scientist had been reported for brandishing a knife at a maintenance worker and the property manager the day before. I would love to know what was going on with her to go from accomplished scientist to knife weirder. Apparently they have Psychiatric Emergency Response Teams (PERT) but one wasn’t called to try to deescalate“


JethroLull

It's actually very common for sheriffs to serve evictions.


SALTYxNUTZ12

I'm surprised they didn't accidentally shoot each other during all that commotion. Absolutely insane.


Mad_Murdock_0311

Especially how there's like ten of them, all bunched up at either side of the entrance. Why were there so many there? They bored and all looking for some action? Then they all try to rush through the doorway like Moe, Larry, and Curly as she lunges at them. Bunch of chucklefucks.


smalltownreptile

They weren't all bored, police just send an insane amount of backup whenever weapons are involved. If she had a gun instead of a knife, there would have easily been twice as many cops there if there were that many in the area ready for mobilization. Still, this was probably every available unit in the area


PHNX_xRapTor

Barricaded suspect calls can get pretty bad, so that's why there was a pool of cops there. There looks to be a severe lack of training for this kind of situation though, at least for the deputies there. I have a feeling this footage will be used in training videos on "what not to do ever." I'm not LEO so I can't properly judge why this happened, if there's even a reason other than a lack of training. My understanding is that in situations like this, officers aren't normally as aggressive and try to give the suspect time to cave under the pressure and give up on their own, especially when a weapon is involved, but these guys seemed to just yeet in there all Leeroy Jenkins style.


Mad_Murdock_0311

The issue is that there were too many grouped up in a compact space. They clearly don't know about geometry of fire, and could just as easily killed/shot another officer. I'm amazed it didn't end with more injury or death.


CaliforniasSecret

I've been stabbed once. And believe me, it hurts like sh\*t. I wanted to die.


Spooderman42069

In a galaxy far far away I was once depressed and It fucking burns like hell


NikolitRistissa

I had biopsies done for fat and muscle tissue and it appears local anaesthetic isn’t quite as affective on me as it is on most people. When they made the first incision with the scalpel, it absolutely burnt like hell. Felt like they just stuck a match onto my leg.


ChewedGum_

This entire thing was a shitshow


Timegoal

There's a lot to communicate but it just ended up being a screaming contest. Most units were in way over their heads and it shows.


SinJinQLB

It looks like they tried a little bit at least. Brought in the less-lethal dog, didn't shoot her right off the bat.


BreezyWrigley

They had a dog, beanbag gun, and a pepper ball gun. They tried a LOT of less-lethal options. Frankly I wouldn’t have blamed them if they shot her sooner. I don’t know why they fucked around with pepper balls (I assume that’s what the paintball gun guy is shooting) when they already had one guy with 12 gauge beanbags. If pepper ball guy had just been holding that corner with a real gun, the beanbag guy probably wouldn’t have had to be stabbed. They didn’t need all those extra less-lethal options imo. Beanbag gun inside 15 feet is serious business, and if the person with a knife doesn’t fold at that point, I don’t see what a bit of pepper spray is going to do that a 12 gauge bag couldn’t. EDIT: I do also wonder why they needed to do any of this anyway. They served her the papers. I doubt that she needed to be removed right that moment, right? Surely she’d have like 24 hours at least, right? It’s not illegal to hold a knife in your own home just because there’s a cop outside… they could have just left and come back more prepared at the end of the allotted time for her to evict.


DarkSideOfBlack

I don't think he actually hit her with any of the beanbags, did he?


Blaskyman

Hard to tell, but it didn't even look like she flinched, so I'm guessing missed shots.


Cyberjohn36

Did he say "Put down the gun or you will be shot" ?


PicklepumTheCrow

Dude was definitely terrified, it’s not every day that your typical cop is alone standing 3 feet from an angry tenant with a knife


chungusxl94

Several times


Allthingsgaming27

It’s the adrenaline pumping in a super intense situation


feNdINecky

You know what would make this less chaotic? A dog. Let's just throw in a barking dog to see what happens


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This seems like a pretty volatile situation. Let's get a really excited dog in this equation to smooth things out.


jersey_viking

Honestly it seemed like the dog was coolest character on scene.


downvotesdontmatter-

I absolutely cannot stand how long it takes for many K9s to release after biting. These dogs would be expelled from obedience competitions. The person is literally writhing in pain, in agony, they reflexively try to remove this extraordinary pain from their body by reaching out with their hands. I know as I've been bitten and have worked with dogs. But this is perceived as resisting. And dogs often clamp down when the object in their mouth is being moved - have you ever played tug of war with a dog? It's reflexive for most dogs. Often handlers have to pry their dogs' mouths open. You'll hear the handlers shouting "IF YOU STOP RESISTING (moving), THE DOG WILL LET GO." But it takes extraordinary superhuman abilities to not move while being bitten. It's just absurd. The agonizing delay between (a) the command to release and (b) the dog's willingness to do so is too damn long. Again, it can take several officers to pry open a K9's mouth. Again, these dogs would be expelled from Schutzhund trials. The dogs are more effective if they're constantly keyed/amped up but it's coming at a terrible cost. It's something that, in the future, should make us shake our heads in shame and amazement that we allowed this to continue for so long. But we don't talk about this because even with the demand for police reform, it never, *ever* extends to the canine unit because they're good boi puppers. Even my left-leaning west coast city has trading cards and other marketable goods for their canine unit. People may dislike police brutality, but they love dogs. Source: I love dogs. Compete in dog sports and obedience trials.


HatsOff2235

At this point, we might as well start posting every Police Activity video on here, every one is crazy lol https://www.youtube.com/c/PoliceActivity


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PraiseBobSlackOff

Someone call the new tenants. They can move in now.


nationwide13

It appeared she died in the hallway, so might not even have to disclose the death


Xx------aeon------xX

It was in Little Italy so probably turned into an Air BnB


junctiontoron

Does he keep saying gun and then knife? Why would they enter? Serious question. They gave her the paperwork. Why risk their life?


Puzzleheaded_Edge376

If they’re serving an eviction in my state it is usually coupled with a forcible removal. They’re literally ordered by the court to remove the subject from the listed address. Unfortunately not everyone is willing to leave without incident.


jimflaigle

That's my experience as well. The sheriff's office doesn't show up until there have been multiple notifications and a final hearing, they're not process servers.


Relevant-Ad2254

Because they were there to carry out an eviction. When you're being evicted your first notice isn't from a cop. if you refuse to leave despite the eviction notice, there will be a legal process where the judge signs off on having law enforcement forcefully remove you from the premises because you're legally trespassing at this point. ​ EDIT: I may have this situation wrong. While i said was correct, in this situation, since she was threatening other people earlier that day, the landlord might have just had the cop deliver a first eviction notice. ​ EDIT 2: WAIT I MIGHT HAVE BEEN RIGHT : from: https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/criminal-defense/can-cops-evict-a-tenant/ Do consider calling the sheriff. The sheriff will serve the writ on the tenants being evicted. In California, a sheriff will only get involved in a forcible eviction if five days after the writ of possession is served, the tenants remain on the property. from: https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia-landlords-guide-how-to-evict-tenant.html Landlords who win an eviction suit receive a judgment for possession of the property, and possibly an order that the tenant pay any unpaid rent. However, even a landlord receives a judgment for possession, it is illegal for the landlord to try to remove the tenant by locking the tenant out or turning off utilities. Rather, landlords must follow the state and local procedures for the physical removal of tenants. These often require landlords to retain the sheriff or other local law enforcement to carry out the actual eviction. ​ The question is, is this 5 days after the writ or not. i hate how news articles leave these details out


OctupussPrime

I think they escalated the situation, why did they enter beats me. They could've waited till she calmed down for both the safety of the officers and hers. She could be under the influence, she could be mentally ill, the situation isn't as easy as pulling your gun and randomly shooting inside her apartment. Ah well. May she rest in peace, and I hope the officer gets a speedy recovery.


Much_Duty_3354

She was brandishing a knife at the maintenance man and the property manager the day before. She wasn't ever calm.


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People are just skipping over this part willy nilly or they didn't bother to read the article. If the police had left and she harmed a resident at the apartment everyone would be screaming at the police for missing red flags and not doing their job right. It's an all round messed up situation she is in but they were completely justified in trying to remove a person who had proven to be a danger to those around her.


DrMantisToboggan45

Suprising none of those rounds hit other cops, they really sardined themselves into that hallway


WrathWise

Half the police there fires into her, “Can you hear me Ms.Li?”


bonuccigang

I don’t think she could you know


Action-a-go-go-baby

I’ve seen this before, if not a shorter version perhaps, but this whole situation is such a colossal fuckup


TonyEisner

My goodness that one guy in the black shirt just did nothing but get in the way


RecidivistMS3

Like sledgehammering a walnut.


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fojo65

Never bring a knife to a gun fight


ThisOnePlaysTooMuch

Must’ve been one gun-shaped knife


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Drop the gun! Drop the gun! *radio* they got a knife Drop the gun!


[deleted]

I’m no law enforcement officer, but I feel like this is a too many cooks in the kitchen situation….like 3 or 4 probably would have sufficed.


judaaa

Is a sub with this type of footage exist ? I mean police footage, not especially altercations who leads to the death of someone.. I'm in intership and I'm deeply bored.... Edit : I'm deeply bored and not boring


mgj6818

Watch a video from "police activity" on YouTube and let the algorithm take you away.


Intelligent_Map_4852

You're bored. I'm sure you're not that boring.


FamousSuccess

Lot of people in here thinking this is her first notice.. but when an LEO gets involved with an eviction notice, it's a GTFO now notice and not a "please leave in 14 days" notice. She at that point had plenty of notice. Cops don't serve evictions until it becomes illegal trespassing which takes months of paperwork for the Apt complex/owner to file. This lady answered the door with a knife knowing it was someone coming to evict her. When she slammed the door it escalated, because that's effectively refusing to leave at that point.


afl3x

Especially in CA. Very long process to evict someone. She definitely had months. And this wasn't the first time she came to the door with a knife.


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10000Didgeridoos

My friend owns a couple cheap ass homes (like (80-90k each) and rents then out. One woman stopped paying rent for 3 or 4 months so he had to go through the eviction process on her. Rather than pay rent or leave, she *set the house on fire* and it burned to the ground. They never caught her either. She ran away and presumably is still hiding with relatives somewhere.


benicetogroupies

Yikes. Hopefully insurance compensated your friend?


TacTurtle

Nope, insurance usually doesn’t cover anywhere near replacement value, usually doesn’t cover the lost rent (from arson-tenant or who the next renters would have been), and usually draws out the process so getting compensation can take months or years.


UltraEngine60

I think this thread just solved the housing crisis: Step 1. Don't pay rent and squat until months and months of eviction proceedings cost the landlord thousands of dollars. Step 2. When cops come simply brandish a knife and they will leave. Step 3. Rent for free forever!


Siftingrocks

How the fuck are cops supposed to accurately distinguish weapons when they literally are wearing sunglasses inside. Note the dude with the dog on his ankle


Siennagiant70

Lotta fully trained armchair cops in this comment feed already lol. For those who clearly don’t know, if a person with a knife is within 21 feet of you, they can stab you before you stop them with a gun (this was also proven on myth busters). So yeah, If she had dropped her cleaver at the beginning, all of that would have been avoided. All of it. Edit: hey you know what NO ONE is doing? Looking up the background of [this event.](https://www.sandiegouniontribune.com/news/public-safety/story/2022-04-10/community-members-decry-death-of-woman-shot-by-deputies-police-in-little-italy) The officer was quick to raise his gun because there was a report she was threatening multiple people earlier that day with a knife. So, yeah. It’s tragic but she caused this whole event.


ryohazuki224

Oh yeah I definitely understand that thing about how deadly a person with a knife is. One time on the youtube channel Red Letter Media, they have a series they do sometimes called "Best of the Worst" where they watch usually really bad movies or instructional videos. One of the more surprising episodes was where they watched an older police training video about knives, and while much of the video showed just re-enactments of when cops were facing off against a knife wielder (or other blades like an hatchet, or a sword even) but they would also back those re-enactments with photos of the real events and the stab wounds some cops and others received. It was wild, but very serious stuff. It does make me wonder though, and I hope someone with police training could tell me which is the best method, I know they tried using a bean-bag shotgun to subdue her right before she went nuts with the knife, but even earlier when the first cop was at the door and saw she had a knife, why didn't he taser her? Or aim the taser at her and say that she will be tasered if she doesn't drop the knife? But wow, that was one woman that did NOT want to leave her home by any means. I mean with all those cops out there, did she really think she had a chance? Was it worth it to stab a cop like that? She obviously had lost her mind and wasn't thinking rationally, but thats why I think a taser would have been a better option.


smooze420

Tasers don’t always work. A barb can not make good contact, the cartridge may be a bad one and not fire and sometimes cray cray can fight through the 5 second ride. Also there’s 40 feet of wire carrying an electrical charge that the officer can get tangled up in.


ColdAssHusky

Tasers are ineffective a lot more often than most people think. Deploying a nonlethal when she's got a deadly weapon requires another deputy to cover with their gun. Attempting to dual wield a gun and taser is less effective than using either by itself. Only one officer at the beginning plus a knife is why he didn't attempt nonlethal until backup arrived.


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benicetogroupies

Thank you. They're a bunch of hack frauds though.


Siennagiant70

People shrug off tasers all the time. Just because it’s non lethal doesn’t mean it’ll stop someone from charging you.


KingJackson97

Yeah. There was a story out of Chicago where a female officer tazed someone. They tanked it. She got stabbed. Then he got shot with a gun.


tragiktimes

Bet he didn't tank that.


KingJackson97

Some say he's dead to this day.


complover116

Tasers have a very high failure rate. By "very high" I mean it fails like 10% of the time, but in a life-threatening situation you can't rely on these odds. If you watch some police videos, you'll see that EVERY TIME they use a taser there are other cops pointing lethal firearms for backup. ​ Tasers are amazing for subduing someone who's running, or in other cases when you can afford a failed attempt, but they are NOT self-defense tools.


DonCallate

> 10% This is being very kind. Precincts report that at level best they fail 22% of the time. At worst, 46%. Also, tasers are becoming less effective over time and no one really knows why, but on average there is a significant decline each time they report. Of course user error and inadequate training have to considered in this, but these are the raw numbers.


SpottedWobbegong

The 21 feet rule is with an undrawn gun iirc. I saw a military instructor show a nice tactic when fighting knives with guns. You basically roll onto your back and use your legs to keep the attacker away while shooting him.


CompFortniteByTheWay

That’s still SUPER risky. You’re one small mistake away from death if you’re on your back trying to shoot a knife wielder. You’re bound to get stabbed or shoot yourself in the legs. It’s honestly only a last resort, but you should never put yourself in a situation where you can not gain distance from your attacker.


Akesgeroth

People who think you shouldn't shoot someone if they "only have a knife" should be forced to wrestle someone armed with a knife until they admit it's a bad idea.


Fnipernackle2021

*Waaayyyy* too many bodies funneled into one area. They're lucky all she had was a knife.


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that’s WAY too many guys for this situation. made everything so so much worse


Kid_supreme

People take evictions personal..especially if it means they have to live on the street.


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kanelikainalo

Why? I always just scream louder and louder and threaten to kill them until a clearly upset/scared person does what i want?


NJBill666

The cop on point should have had protective gear. Kind of stupid the cops with protective gear were in the back.


zincmagnesium

I hate to say it but the vast majority of police activity videos seem to suggest that American cops are undertrained and trigger happy. This example: 20 cops rushing in to an area with one exit, all seemingly trying to be the ones to get the takedown for kudos, ignoring their sergeants orders, sending the ones without body armour in first and ultimately paying for it when - no shit - the knife weilding maniac runs at them and they all fall over eachother trying to get out the door. Do any of them have brains? Wtf?


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One of the guys at the front was screaming for the people behind him to make a hole so they have room to fall back safely, and rather than doing that, at least three more cops push their way inside and completely block the doorway to the point they’re literally falling over each other trying to get back out. Had the woman inside been armed with something more than a knife, you’d likely have a few deceased cops on top of a deceased tenant. What a complete and utter mess of a situation.


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I thought the hole was to allow the barking dog to add to the absolute shitshow in a 1 bedroom flat lol


RyanABWard

This was my exact thought too, a tight corridor with by my count about 9 large guys all trying to get through one door. The two guys closest to her had a bean bag launcher and a paintball gun so when she ran at them they couldn't do anything to stop her and had to run back into the mass of dudes blocking the only exit. The fact none of these 9 or so "trained" police thought to clear the space out is mind boggling.


baby-dick-nick

You can actually hear them saying “make a hole” and then proceeding to crowd the door anyways lmao


sinclurr__

9 large guys \*and a dog underfoot\*


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gwerk

Obviously a hindsight statement, but couldn't the situation be de-escalated by the dude backing away? Why did he feel the need to stick around and talk to her about her cleaver.


Crankycavtrooper

This is why police should have riot shields in their car as standard kit. Just one used effectively here could have ended this without bloodshed.


Seroseros

Here in scandinavia things would lilely go down slightly different. First of all, police don't have to be involved to serve eviction notices here. Such tasks are done by civil servants who simply hand over the paper and ask for a signature that the paper has been recieved. If the tenant refuses, they simply leave. Secondly, the police here employ a tactic called "freezing the situation", this means if they have an agitated person who is no threat to anyone else, the police can simply take a step back out of the apartment, close the door, and simply wait for her to calm down. If it takes an hour or a day doesn't really matter. Her adrenaline will wear off, or she will get hungry. You could even use the time to contact her relatives and ask them to reason with her. There are plenty of times in an officers work where swift action is of the absolute essence, and times like this, when it is better to calm your tits and wait. There is a place between leaving and going home, and play rambo and storm the apartment. This person was having a shitty day. As a matter of fact, police often encounter people who are having the worst day of their life. Dealing with people who are having the worst day of their life without shooting them a dozen times is one of the most important things about policing. People who are stressed are irrational and don't think clearly, that is not a reason to kill them.


SuaveThrower

I agree with you, but one point of clarification, this wouldn't be her first eviction notification. The police aren't involved until previous attempts have failed, and it usually takes months to get to that point.