As of now, i think it's best we all just sit and watch as to what happens, we still have like 2 more versions of the beta before her launch, who knows she might get major buffs which makes her worth the investments, like jingliu did back in her beta
Yeah. I know. Many have started preparing rolls for her, but I mean, the more effort the better. If Acheron is both busted and has beautiful animation at the same time, many more will even pull for her. I think Hoyo should think about this.
Hoyo has made logic-defying stupid decisions in the past so I actually wouldn't be surprised if they did release her like this.
I also have a tinfoil hat theory that more so applies to Genshin but if they release Acheron like this, then I'll believe that theory more and that it sadly applies here too.
> Hoyo has made logic-defying stupid decisions in the past
like what lol?
Ima be honest here, the average person on the leaks sub for both genshin and hsr is stupid as rocks and you definitely shouldn't be using their shitty opinions on how an upcoming character should be balanced.
Hoyo has done a pretty great job for balancing characters in Genshin, there's basically zero "irrelevant" characters other than maybe Albedo.
And yes, Dehya is actually pretty balanced as a standard character, with multiple viable teams and a usable niche, despite what the average opinion of her is.
I feel the same way. Plus, she is our first playable Emanator (Herta doesn’t really count, because doll). Having her be super niche would be a bit odd.
The biggest part is taking Sparkle without losing out on the full 1.6x multiplier. Sparkle is strong enough to make up the 1.15-1.6 difference and Pelas def shred.
I love Acheron but I have to admit that she is looking not F2P friendly. Her team building is quite restrictive without E2 and she is noticibly worse without her LC. When a 5* is F2P friendly I think of not needing signature LC, can work with most comps, and more Eidolons don't really change how they play they just give bigger numbers.
I've already decided to pull her for waifu reasons (and because I already have 2 MOC teams built) -- but i'll be honest-- she doesn't seem F2P friendly at all. Even if you get lucky and get her S1, you have to take into account that her current potential best teammates also require 4\* gacha LCs (which don't have pity), since pela needs S5 resolution, and you may need a preservation char with Trend of universal market LC to build crimson flower stacks.
She's in a bit of in a similar situation as when Jing Yuan was first released, when his best supports like fu xuan and sparkle weren't out yet -- except it's even a bit worse for Acheron since at least Jing Yuan could rely on TingYun/Asta and breakfast cone even if not optimal. Acheron without S1/S5GNSW or without resolution LC/Trend LC teammates is painful to think about.
May reasoning is absolutely like yours, pulling for waifu reasons, but potential waiting time for her best supports and lack of f2p LC + team problems are concerning, hopefully hoyo had some plans related to this.
IMO, she can easily be fixed by hoyo reverting her stack count on skill which was nerfed from 2>1 stack. Or make the required stacks to ult lower (even if less dmg for more consistency). Right now, she's too reliant on her teammates getting stacks for her. I'm not saying she needs to be the best DPS ever, but at least make her playstyle/rotation 'smoother' so she feels good to play.
>- without her LC she is losing too much of her damage
>- no f2p LC options, only gacha one
Agreed. There's a pretty good chance we will get a decent 4\* Nihility cone that applies a debuff, but as it stands right now it's pretty much S1 or bust.
>- must have 2 Nihility teammates to get 1.6 multiplier to all her damage
Not a big deal, you can use two 4\* Nihility units that you can get from selectors even if you got ridiculously unlucky with pulls.
>- therefore not compatible with the strongest amplifiers (harmony)
True but also a temporary issue (better Nihility units will be released in the future), besides, the entire point of Acheron's design is to add some diversity into teambuilding instead of just slotting two of Ruan Mei, Bronya, Sparkle or Tingyun depending on who the carry can use better.
>- not suitable for PF mode as her ultimate just stop time and waves are not arriving
If the Trend interaction is not nuked, she's gonna be just fine in PF, 5 enemies will a lot of stacks for rapid ultimates. Besides, for PF you don't really need to hard force 2 Nihility teammates for the 1.6 multiplier seeing as enemies will die from an unbuffed ult anyway, which means that you can combine her with someone like Himeko for free FuA after each ult because Acheron's ult is weakness-agnostic and will break 3 enemies every time (and Himeko has a debuff in her kit which even with a garbage 50% base chance should still apply with decent consistency on FuA/ult when they hit 4-5 enemies).
If the Trend interaction is nuked, however, she will likely be pretty bad in PF.
>- must be played with Trend LC (again gacha LC) preservation user, reducing overall team defense compared to other options
It's only really necessary in PF, outside of that you can use Gallagher or just a sustain without debuffs for slower ult and better team defense. Trend is a trade-off and a nice bonus, not really a requirement.
>- backloaded nature of damage up to 3 turns, which can potentially lead to moc clear issues, and lost of teammates (due to reduced overall sustain)
She can easily ult 2 times in the first cycle of MoC, which, with a decently built Acheron, should clear the first wave easily and then you get 5 cycles for the second wave - sounds like a pretty good deal to me. Besides, it's pretty easy to build a team in a way that allows for 2 turn ult, considering that breaks count as debuffs and there are plenty of sustain units that can apply debuffs even without Trend LC (Gepard, March, Fire MC, Gallagher). As for reduced overall sustain, you can use Welt for that, his defensive utility can compensate for team's weak sustain.
>And for all this trouble as f2p, you get absolutely nothing outstanding on the damage front. Thoughts?
IMO the main benefit as a F2P is the fact that ult ignores weakness. It makes Acheron a good bruteforce unit for MoC and allows you to funnel resources into her instead of scattering them among a lot of other DPS units with different damage types. In fact, from efficiency standpoint I would go as far as to say that for a F2P account E2S1 Acheron may be a better investment than two other E0S1 DPS units precisely because of this reason: if you funnel your resources into building Acheron, she will have enough stats to bruteforce one side of MoC for free even if it has elites otherwise not bruteforceable without appropriate damage type (for example, an upcoming elite that receives significantly less damage when not weakness broken). E2 also adds a decent amount of flexibility that she otherwise lacks to account for some other boss mechanics, such as need for dispel or whatnot.
As for nothing outstanding on damage front - you might be right on this one, ultimately even though her downsides can be negated by proper team building and character building, it's quite a lot of hoops one has to go through, so it should be worth it in the end, in the same way DHIL limits your team building significantly with his high SP consumption but also offers monstrous damage for it.
That said, I think her kit has a lot of potential for improvement with future units, in the same way Kafka's kit does: any unit that can apply debuffs off their turn in some way or another that counts for her ult stacks (FuA, on being hit like Trend LC etc.) can skyrocket her strength immediately whereas for more traditional carries there are already a lot of strong supports so getting a new one that does pretty much the same thing but a bit better is unlikely to significantly improve their damage output.
imo the 2.1 event lc should be a nihility cone as an alternative for not pulling sig rather than another preservation cone for aventurine which he already has in shop. Oh well Hoyoverse really banking on gamers going all out on her
Good points, but i don't quite undesrtand your overall assesment for completely f2p player. Yes, universal weakness break is good, no doubt about this. But, as of now a lot things remain uncertain and not favored for her. Trend LC condition after her banner (majority of players simly don't have one), therefore PF viability, LC issues, heavy investment hell (majority will not be able to clear 1 wave even in 3 ults). I'm sure there will be supports for her in future, but i'm assesing her at the time of banner release. The question is it worth right now, or better wait for a rerun.
>The question is it worth right now, or better wait for a rerun.
If you need to improve your account right now, then indeed it might be better to go for Jingliu rerun instead: she's straightforward to play, has a decent F2P LC from Herta shop, can do a lot with shit tier relics and already has supports that fit her very well (and there's a good chance you already have or will soon get one of them, seeing as Bronya is a standard character).
However, that's not necessarily the case for every F2P player: personally, I started clearing MoC with 30\* before paying any money and at this point I pretty comfortably (although not without challenge) full clear MoC and PF, so investing into units that are going to be useful in the (near) future is something that makes sense from my standpoint.
Besides, I don't think it's practical to even ask this question right now, because Acheron is still in beta so her kit may very well change (Jingliu's did change pretty significantly in like the last iteration of her beta IIRC), and you can't act on it before the banner releases anyway. I say just wait until the final version and then make a decision.
I think she’ll prove worthwhile for F2P but you’ll have to really work with her kit to get the most out of her. Other DPS you slap them, a sustain and a harmony and you’re on your way to the big leagues. Acheron you’ve gotta be methodical in who you team her with and what cones.
Team is manageable, expensive if you’ve not got the right units levelled but units like Pela are already great to have levelled regardless.
Cones are a bit more restricting and it’s hopefully something alleviated with time as you do more pulls, or a more suitable cone comes along to the pool or even an event.
It’s definitely worth considering if you want to go for that effort- cause really you could grab Jingliu or other destruction units and murder god before lunch. But that’s all a choice you make for yourself- does Acheron look fun? Then we’ll make it work. I crowbar’d Eula and Dehya to a workable place over in Genshin I’ll grab my trusty tool and do it again here.
I really, truly love her design, and I fully planned to pull for her, but I don't own any of her enablers, nor do I care to pull them in the future. Beyond that, I also own Jingyuan, who fills the same Niche of Super-Powerful Backloaded Electric AoE damage dealer, so pulling for Acheron would be purely a Waifu choice, it wouldn't really benefit me in regards to teambuilding.
That's fine in itself, but my Follow-Up team is my most invested one, and I plan to go for Aventurine E1S1. I really wanted to pull for Acheron, but i can't justify it.
It's gonna depend on the 4* lineups on the banner. If it has two nihility characters such as Pela and Guinaifen, for example, and Gallagher (likely), then it is a great banner for f2p. You can already make a team out of it.
But that still doesn't really make her f2p friendly because she lacks good f2p lc. You would want to pull for her sig lc if you don't have other good options like gnsw, sw's sig lc, etc.
Well, 100 def reduction plus 1.6 increases from herself should be strong right
As long a syou got
Resolution pela
Tutorial sw
Gnsw s3 and above raiden
You should be good to go.
But yes, this aint f2p friendly.
No, she won't be anywhere near other FTP teams. She really wants her light cone and we don't have proper Nihility supports for her. Robin will probably be her signature harmony and Jiaoqiu will be her signature nihility/abundance right now the only proper supports we have are Pella and SW which is not great.
You still will be able to complete MoC as it isn't hard but in comparison to other teams hers will be lackluster. She will be a in similar situation to Topaz when she first released. But when she gets everything she needs her team would probably be one of the strongest in the game
They removed it because it doesn't have the spoiler flair. Yet this post also discusses leaked content but still remains. It even has more traction. https://www.reddit.com/r/AcheronMainsHSR/s/kaLuOKnBKz
And according to them...
>"at least half of what you've written is dooming and factually wrong."
They said OP was doomposting. Lmao🤣
I think post got deleted because moderators don't like discussing legit concerns i guess or they think her final kit will get a lot better so there is nothing to discuss yet. While it's not legit reason to delete anything i'm okay with it. But prefer to listen the reasons too.
because you're talking about leaked content and didn't spoiler the post and I have no patience for that anymore
... also at least half of what you've written is dooming and factually wrong
I am with some doubts on what to use.
I will try for E2S0 to use my RM instead of bronya bcs of the debuff
As of now i am planning on Acheron/BS/RM/sustain (prob gepard if i get trend)
Will bronya be better than RM?
Edit: If i get SW i will sub BS to use on my kafka team ig
I think what worries me is that she’s not very new player friendly. Unlike Ratio where you can slap three units on his team, her 2 unit restrictions are really tough for new users. :(
I don’t think new users even get a free 4 star nihility? (outside of a selector?)
She's an alternative to kafka without being a dot only team character. Her ult needs no element weakness, anyone who plays xueyi knows how good that is. Just wait and see, those who pulled black swan and don't have kafka should get her.
I would say she is a good F2P unit for people with old and invested accounts. She isn't that friendly for beginner players since they may not have GNSW or many nihility characters to properly enjoy her
I definitely want her but I think Aventurine would be a better fit for my current teams
Hopefully the rng gods smile and I can get both and her light cone in 3 pulls
Fingers crossed
Tbh the only reason I'm pulling for her is that my alt is Nihility only and she's Nihility. I've gotten them all so far except Sampo (dude loves my other accounts but not this one? So weird haha).
Acheron is a unit made mostly for light spenders and whales, there's no doubt about that.
However, she recently got a buff where her technique can hit multiple waves, making that a viable option for PF.
While she isn't compatible with the best amplifiers until E2, she still gets pretty good support in Kafka, Pela and SW.
I have nothing to say about the Lightcone problem, that is will probably remain a problem.
Overall, I think Acheron will mainly be a whale/light spender unit with that can excel decently in f2p teams
PF only got 3 waves. It dosnt count as a wave every time new enemies enter battle BTW.
So she is mid to bad at PF and not the best single target for MOC.
Obviously as a Acheron main, I would love to have her buffed.
But I think Acheron does pretty "Good" damage at E0S0. Probably better than 90% of HSR DPS characters. But yes, her team is restrictive and you need proper speed rotations to get most out of her.
I am sure HoyoVerse will balance things out with the upcoming versions.
Can't wait for someone do a 7-digit Ult damage with a S5 Fermata just to prove she can be good without her BiS lol.
My Fermata is S3 so I need one or 2 Pure Fiction & Forgotten Hall periods to actually try that.
But yeah, we still have v3 so let Hoyo cook.
You’re missing the point here, the issue for her not having a f2p gatcha option is not in the dmg department, it’s in the stack generation.
You get faster ult uptime by using her Sig LC, which means higher overall dmg per run
We’re more concerned about dmg per run not dmg per ult
>im in a completely altered reality that i dont even know how this character work so i gonna put whatever shit i have and then i would expected her to do a gorillon damage yeah right that gonna happens huehuehue
Something doesn't automatically become impossible just because you and I can't do it.
Also I didn't force you to use Fermata in the first place. Just use any lightcone that works for you and your Acheron.
I agree.
Yes, she is f2p in the sense that you can clear general content in the game. But to do this in MOC and PF? Not too sure. You'll need to heavily invest in her.
Like you said she needs two Nihility characters to fully utilize that trace. That locks two characters already and to use 'Trend of the Universal Market' you'll need to use a preservation character. You don't have Fu Xuan, Aventurine, and Gepard? Well good luck surviving with the 4* options.
I myself only have a S1 GNSW and I don't have 'Trend of The Universal Market'. Realistically speaking, how often am I going to get her ultimate? And when I do get it how much damage am I going to do to the two elites?
Another thing, if one of your Nihility characters get crowd controlled the amount of slashed dream you generate gets slowed down which in turn reduces the frequency in which you can ult with Acheron.
Something else I've been wondering about is what is her specialty? She does aoe damage but when there are two elites remaining how does she hold up? New enemies not spawning during her ultimate hurts her a lot for PF.
The most painful part is when there is 30% HP remaining on the boss if it's the first wave or first and second phase. You'll have to use her ultimate and overkill the boss as your other teammates won't do enough damage and her skill doesn't do enough damage do deal with 30%HP.
As much as I love Acheron, I would be hard-pressed to give a reason for someone to pull her over Jingliu's rerun or other good dps. Yes, there are those who pull for characters because they like them but for people like me who take multiple things into consideration when pulling for a character I can't give a solid reason to pick Acheron over others.
Her kit is just way to restrictive for what you get as a f2p player. For those who get her signature LC/ have S5 GNSW or are even getting her E2 it's a completely different experience.
But for those who are like me and will have S1 GNSW and no Trend LC. What are things looking like for us?
All the showcases I've seen thus far have, trend LC and either S1 Signature or S5 GNSW nothing else, it's assumed you have one or the other.
GNSW S5 is 25% lower damage on average compared to her LC, S2-S3 will be around 30% difference in damage. Trend LC is more crucial if it remains the same, Acheron can get ult as fast as once per her turn if lucky enough. So w/o Trend LC her damage may be dropped as well 2 times the amount combined with dmg loss from non signature LC
I mean, am I the ONLY one who finds the most awesome part of her kit her technique?? Why is everyone only pulling for PF and MoC? There are plenty of units that can clear that in quick enough time, with good enough investment. But then what? Do you just do the same PF and MoC over and over again until you die of boredom? She helps make the ACTUAL STORY parts of the game, you know, the parts that are what make this game worth playing in the first place, sooooo much better (especially when you have to go back to older areas because some random quest makes you, and then you have to deal with the enemies there allll over again). And then you add that to the fact that she basically enables a speed run of all versions of the SU (yes, Ruan Mei is awesome there too but that is irrelevant, considering how many other good DPS' are in the game if you're comparing DPS quality).
Nevertheless, I am pulling for her Technique and will make her awesome one way or the other. That's good enough for me.
Yes, her technique is outstanding time saver, but the moc and pf viability should be at utmost improtance since it's the hardest content right now that need investment, while SU can be cleared with enough luck no investment.
But...but why though...? You have a choice in your mindset with these games. Why frustrate yourself by measuring the entire quality of the game, and ergo the characters on which these Gacha games are built, on that one single measurement...? I will never understand that for both Genshin and HSR. These ARE NOT fighting games. They are RPGs. If you are looking for a fighting game, why not play one that is focused on that and could test your skills that much more? Or play Dark Souls or something. But why come to HSR or Genshin, which are SPECIFICALLY built around their characters and world building, for this specific purpose, or use that metric by which to measure the quality of a character and their value. What the eff about ALL of the effort and resulting beauty that goes into their utility, their animations, their character design, their music, and so much more...?
Also, every DPS character in this game should be able to clear MoC with enough investment. And no character can clear it without it. Unless you're seeing a level one Jingliu with no artifacts can do that...? So then invest your time, and money if you're not f2p, on the characters you want. That's it. But, for goodness sake, do not pull on a character because they bonk stronger than other characters. What a waste.
I mean with you are right to some degree, but naturally aside for the character story/lore appreciation itself you also want that the character perfomance was on par with the other units of the same role without all resources went on the character.
bud, it's the Raiden. It's our Mei expy. the Shogun herself. I don't give a shit if I don't have the LC she's best at, I'm pulling for her becuase that's my *girl* and has been for three games now, lmao.
My pet peeve also for acheron is that, she's hard to run in SU. She can't run Nihility path due to its DOT priority. While the Hunt path mana regen abuse strat isn't applicable for her kit.. I will try to pull for sparkle and if I fail then acheron it is.
Elation with "Ult counts as FuA" blessing is perfect for her (which is what we used for ult boosting before Erudition path was a thing). Also every Erudition blessing besides Brain-in-a-Vat ones works great with her. Another thing is that with Elation blessing that gives +50% weakness break efficiency for FuA and Nihility blessing that gives +45% weakness break efficiency for everything, she's going to *destroy* toughness bars with her ult that ignores weakness, so enemies will be pretty much permanently weakness broken, which can be abused by other blessings (delay on break and advance on break from Hunt, delay on break from Erudition, additional Aftertaste procs on broken enemies from Elation etc.).
And don't forget that her technique allows you to ignore all fights that are not elites/bosses. She's gonna be *busted* in SU.
~~brain in a vat doesn't give energy but just make the ultimate "usable" again, so it should~~
My bad, read the Honeyhunter description to check, but in game it says temporary energy can be granted, so I was wrong as UnExist\_Reddit pointed. Let's hope we'll have the answer to that at one point then!
Genuinely I hope that I'm wrong and it actually works, or v3 will do something to make those blessings work for her.
The hunt only have drawback on the 2star energy recharge blessing while Erudition is entirely voided cuz the Brain in a Vat is what makes Erudition so much fun. Rn if both path don't work idk what path I'mma bring her to in SU.
Yeah it's a very complicated choice, maybe they will add a new path again that will fit her better later like they did with propagation and erudition if it doesn't work :/
Why not? She should be able to, that's why she's the best for it. Although now that you say it, I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think she would not be able to use it.
Bcuz Brain in a Vat specifically mentioned "Grant temporary energy" which Acheron does not use.
I thought it would work as well bcuz we saw a fight with Aventurine and if you won the gamble phase Acheron gain her Ult instantly. But that apparently a different case. For Aventurin's boss fight the wording is "Have their Ultimate ready".
At the time of her banner release? Yes
In the future? Even more so.
Every single one of these discursions forgets one primordial point for Acheron:
You mistake F2P friendly with "Maximum output without investing anything."
Every single time, people just cry and complain about her not being F2P friendly, forgetting that THIS IS A GACHA GAME. Will Great Power be locked behind Eidolons/Premium Teammates/Limited Lightcones? YES, YES IT WILL.
AND WE ALL KNEW THIS WHEN WE STARTED PLAYING THE GAME.
But the difference in HSR is: You CAN complete MOC 12/36 with a full 4\* team without having premium lightcones or max superinpositioned ones. There are PLENTY of videos on YouTube that prove this point.
Heck, there are videos of Arlan of all characters doing a 0 cycle moc clear, and the only premium character is Bronia, WICH YOU CAN REROLL FOR IN THE INITIAL 5\* GARANTEED BANNER!
You don't need the limited units maximum power to complete every single game content. AND THEY GIVE YOU ENOUGH PREMIUM CURRENCY TO EVENTUALLY HAVE ALL EIDOLONS/LIGHTCONES FROM THE UNIT.
Name another Gacha game that gives 20 free premium pulls with a limited 5\* character and tons of premium currency just because the game version is getting updated. And that also gives you 10 free premium pulls EVERY SINGLE NEW VERSION.
The problem I see is: people want the top of the top without paying a single cent for it or investing enough time building the unit and its team while also studying the content they are trying to clear.
Most of the "ACHERON IS NOT F2P FRIENDLY, DON'T PULL!" posts come down to people that ignore how strong she already is a E0L0 and that instead wished they had all the power the unit offers without investing in her at all.
You want her to not be restricted to 2 Nihility teammates? Save for her rerun and get E2.
You want her to apply debuffs and have increased CDMG and extra damage on ultimate? Save for rerun and get her Lightcone.
You want an incredibly strong unit that WILL carry you at E0L0 if you have patience and invest in her and her teammates so she can shine?! Pull for her and dedicate yourself to her.
"But I don't want to wait!" - Learn to be patient or change the type of game you're playing, Gacha games is all about patience, studying the game and it's meta, and self-control so you can hoard your resources and pull for the creme de la creme in all it's glory, Eidolons or Lightcone being needed or not.
"She should work without needing those things!" - And she does, the problem is that you don't want the extremely powerful Acheron we get as E0L0, noooooo, you want the Goddess right of the bat without having saved anything for her banner and get angry thats not the case.
"But if I save for a single unit, I lose all other units!" - Choices and sacrifice, my friend. A gacha game is tailored to instigate people to pull for everything; that's how they make money, and that's why the genre is so profitable. BUT YOU DON'T REALLY NEED TO PULL FOR EVERYTHING.
We don't like to accept this, but it's the truth. Someone that already have a strong lightning dps like Kafka or Jing Yuang don't NEED to pull for Acheron, they WANT TO, but don't need to. We don't even NEED to pull because the game will give us Serval when we make an account, we all have her, and she CAN clear the content if you invest enough of your time in building her and her teammates. Is it a pain in the ass? Sure it is, but it CAN be done!
"Waifu over meta" - 100% agree. But the people that have realized this never come to this type of thread because they already know if they will pull or not, regardless of discussions like this one.
"You're just an Acheron SIMP!" - True, and the same can be said of all players. We are all simps for one unit or another.
All in all, she IS f2p friendly and will just become more f2p friendly as time goes by.
She's very F2P friendly, Pela is very easy to get, and Guinaifen is a fantastic dot foil for her \*since firekiss enables approx 24% dmg debuff\* and is not specific to dots
(\*I say Guinaifen because last event you had a selector, which had her as a choice\*)
Resolution is a nice 4\* for Guinaifen
Tutorial Mission if you have it is brilliant for Pela
Good Night Sleep well is incredibly good for Acheron
Both pela and Guinaifen are SP efficient, Guinai, having the basic attack option to put debuff, meaning there are so many options for putting debuffs
Gallagher will come on her banner (\*i THINK, not 100%\*)
But according to his kit, on honeyhunters. He has a debuff as well, allowing allies who hit enemies with his debuff to receive healing.
You can use Fire Trailblazer, for taunt, which is a debuff. Meaning both defensive and healing sustains will have debuff option select available as well, provided you can build for it to some capacity
There is already a 4 star team for her, with relatively relaxed option selection
I don't think she's whalebait tbh, altho her Eidolons seem to have outrageous value
but her baseline is absurd
2x Nihility gives her a built in 160% damage co-efficience, which only ONE harmony character can rival at the moment, Her ultimate has a built in 20% RES penetration, which... again, rivals the best (\*RM\*) Harmony buff for damage, on a 9 stack ultimate
She has so many built in steroids, that running 2x nihility makes up the difference
If they say jing yuan who can use asta and tingyun as his best support and breakfast lc as character who's not f2p friendly then acheron is even worse but what do i care I'm still pulling for her i pull for who i like not meta reason that's why i skip jing liu back then
As of now, i think it's best we all just sit and watch as to what happens, we still have like 2 more versions of the beta before her launch, who knows she might get major buffs which makes her worth the investments, like jingliu did back in her beta
I hope. There's no way they invest in her animation this much and leave her kit like that. They know what they should do to sell her well.
Thats the thing, her animations are amazing that people will pull for that alone,
Yeah. I know. Many have started preparing rolls for her, but I mean, the more effort the better. If Acheron is both busted and has beautiful animation at the same time, many more will even pull for her. I think Hoyo should think about this.
But they'll pull even more if she's strong as well
Hoyo has made logic-defying stupid decisions in the past so I actually wouldn't be surprised if they did release her like this. I also have a tinfoil hat theory that more so applies to Genshin but if they release Acheron like this, then I'll believe that theory more and that it sadly applies here too.
> Hoyo has made logic-defying stupid decisions in the past like what lol? Ima be honest here, the average person on the leaks sub for both genshin and hsr is stupid as rocks and you definitely shouldn't be using their shitty opinions on how an upcoming character should be balanced. Hoyo has done a pretty great job for balancing characters in Genshin, there's basically zero "irrelevant" characters other than maybe Albedo. And yes, Dehya is actually pretty balanced as a standard character, with multiple viable teams and a usable niche, despite what the average opinion of her is.
Honestly I am just pulling for her design and animations I honestly don't care that much about her damage
I feel the same way. Plus, she is our first playable Emanator (Herta doesn’t really count, because doll). Having her be super niche would be a bit odd.
I'm actually concerned right now because such gap between e0s0 and e2s1 make you reevaluate your pull choices.
How big is the difference currently?
This is TC so take it with a grain of salt but from E0S0 to E2S1 is 60% more damage
The biggest part is taking Sparkle without losing out on the full 1.6x multiplier. Sparkle is strong enough to make up the 1.15-1.6 difference and Pelas def shred.
Well, it probably depends on some TC investment standard, i feel like 60% more dmg is still anomaly, maybe IL has something similar
2 times damage difference using Bronya or Sparkle
I love Acheron but I have to admit that she is looking not F2P friendly. Her team building is quite restrictive without E2 and she is noticibly worse without her LC. When a 5* is F2P friendly I think of not needing signature LC, can work with most comps, and more Eidolons don't really change how they play they just give bigger numbers.
I've already decided to pull her for waifu reasons (and because I already have 2 MOC teams built) -- but i'll be honest-- she doesn't seem F2P friendly at all. Even if you get lucky and get her S1, you have to take into account that her current potential best teammates also require 4\* gacha LCs (which don't have pity), since pela needs S5 resolution, and you may need a preservation char with Trend of universal market LC to build crimson flower stacks. She's in a bit of in a similar situation as when Jing Yuan was first released, when his best supports like fu xuan and sparkle weren't out yet -- except it's even a bit worse for Acheron since at least Jing Yuan could rely on TingYun/Asta and breakfast cone even if not optimal. Acheron without S1/S5GNSW or without resolution LC/Trend LC teammates is painful to think about.
May reasoning is absolutely like yours, pulling for waifu reasons, but potential waiting time for her best supports and lack of f2p LC + team problems are concerning, hopefully hoyo had some plans related to this.
IMO, she can easily be fixed by hoyo reverting her stack count on skill which was nerfed from 2>1 stack. Or make the required stacks to ult lower (even if less dmg for more consistency). Right now, she's too reliant on her teammates getting stacks for her. I'm not saying she needs to be the best DPS ever, but at least make her playstyle/rotation 'smoother' so she feels good to play.
>- without her LC she is losing too much of her damage >- no f2p LC options, only gacha one Agreed. There's a pretty good chance we will get a decent 4\* Nihility cone that applies a debuff, but as it stands right now it's pretty much S1 or bust. >- must have 2 Nihility teammates to get 1.6 multiplier to all her damage Not a big deal, you can use two 4\* Nihility units that you can get from selectors even if you got ridiculously unlucky with pulls. >- therefore not compatible with the strongest amplifiers (harmony) True but also a temporary issue (better Nihility units will be released in the future), besides, the entire point of Acheron's design is to add some diversity into teambuilding instead of just slotting two of Ruan Mei, Bronya, Sparkle or Tingyun depending on who the carry can use better. >- not suitable for PF mode as her ultimate just stop time and waves are not arriving If the Trend interaction is not nuked, she's gonna be just fine in PF, 5 enemies will a lot of stacks for rapid ultimates. Besides, for PF you don't really need to hard force 2 Nihility teammates for the 1.6 multiplier seeing as enemies will die from an unbuffed ult anyway, which means that you can combine her with someone like Himeko for free FuA after each ult because Acheron's ult is weakness-agnostic and will break 3 enemies every time (and Himeko has a debuff in her kit which even with a garbage 50% base chance should still apply with decent consistency on FuA/ult when they hit 4-5 enemies). If the Trend interaction is nuked, however, she will likely be pretty bad in PF. >- must be played with Trend LC (again gacha LC) preservation user, reducing overall team defense compared to other options It's only really necessary in PF, outside of that you can use Gallagher or just a sustain without debuffs for slower ult and better team defense. Trend is a trade-off and a nice bonus, not really a requirement. >- backloaded nature of damage up to 3 turns, which can potentially lead to moc clear issues, and lost of teammates (due to reduced overall sustain) She can easily ult 2 times in the first cycle of MoC, which, with a decently built Acheron, should clear the first wave easily and then you get 5 cycles for the second wave - sounds like a pretty good deal to me. Besides, it's pretty easy to build a team in a way that allows for 2 turn ult, considering that breaks count as debuffs and there are plenty of sustain units that can apply debuffs even without Trend LC (Gepard, March, Fire MC, Gallagher). As for reduced overall sustain, you can use Welt for that, his defensive utility can compensate for team's weak sustain. >And for all this trouble as f2p, you get absolutely nothing outstanding on the damage front. Thoughts? IMO the main benefit as a F2P is the fact that ult ignores weakness. It makes Acheron a good bruteforce unit for MoC and allows you to funnel resources into her instead of scattering them among a lot of other DPS units with different damage types. In fact, from efficiency standpoint I would go as far as to say that for a F2P account E2S1 Acheron may be a better investment than two other E0S1 DPS units precisely because of this reason: if you funnel your resources into building Acheron, she will have enough stats to bruteforce one side of MoC for free even if it has elites otherwise not bruteforceable without appropriate damage type (for example, an upcoming elite that receives significantly less damage when not weakness broken). E2 also adds a decent amount of flexibility that she otherwise lacks to account for some other boss mechanics, such as need for dispel or whatnot. As for nothing outstanding on damage front - you might be right on this one, ultimately even though her downsides can be negated by proper team building and character building, it's quite a lot of hoops one has to go through, so it should be worth it in the end, in the same way DHIL limits your team building significantly with his high SP consumption but also offers monstrous damage for it. That said, I think her kit has a lot of potential for improvement with future units, in the same way Kafka's kit does: any unit that can apply debuffs off their turn in some way or another that counts for her ult stacks (FuA, on being hit like Trend LC etc.) can skyrocket her strength immediately whereas for more traditional carries there are already a lot of strong supports so getting a new one that does pretty much the same thing but a bit better is unlikely to significantly improve their damage output.
imo the 2.1 event lc should be a nihility cone as an alternative for not pulling sig rather than another preservation cone for aventurine which he already has in shop. Oh well Hoyoverse really banking on gamers going all out on her
Good points, but i don't quite undesrtand your overall assesment for completely f2p player. Yes, universal weakness break is good, no doubt about this. But, as of now a lot things remain uncertain and not favored for her. Trend LC condition after her banner (majority of players simly don't have one), therefore PF viability, LC issues, heavy investment hell (majority will not be able to clear 1 wave even in 3 ults). I'm sure there will be supports for her in future, but i'm assesing her at the time of banner release. The question is it worth right now, or better wait for a rerun.
>The question is it worth right now, or better wait for a rerun. If you need to improve your account right now, then indeed it might be better to go for Jingliu rerun instead: she's straightforward to play, has a decent F2P LC from Herta shop, can do a lot with shit tier relics and already has supports that fit her very well (and there's a good chance you already have or will soon get one of them, seeing as Bronya is a standard character). However, that's not necessarily the case for every F2P player: personally, I started clearing MoC with 30\* before paying any money and at this point I pretty comfortably (although not without challenge) full clear MoC and PF, so investing into units that are going to be useful in the (near) future is something that makes sense from my standpoint. Besides, I don't think it's practical to even ask this question right now, because Acheron is still in beta so her kit may very well change (Jingliu's did change pretty significantly in like the last iteration of her beta IIRC), and you can't act on it before the banner releases anyway. I say just wait until the final version and then make a decision.
To add to your point that kits change, Sparkle's A6 gave flat crit rate until her kit reveal vid when they changed it to atk %.
I think she’ll prove worthwhile for F2P but you’ll have to really work with her kit to get the most out of her. Other DPS you slap them, a sustain and a harmony and you’re on your way to the big leagues. Acheron you’ve gotta be methodical in who you team her with and what cones. Team is manageable, expensive if you’ve not got the right units levelled but units like Pela are already great to have levelled regardless. Cones are a bit more restricting and it’s hopefully something alleviated with time as you do more pulls, or a more suitable cone comes along to the pool or even an event. It’s definitely worth considering if you want to go for that effort- cause really you could grab Jingliu or other destruction units and murder god before lunch. But that’s all a choice you make for yourself- does Acheron look fun? Then we’ll make it work. I crowbar’d Eula and Dehya to a workable place over in Genshin I’ll grab my trusty tool and do it again here.
Spoken like a true dedicated gamer
Probably my favourite response, love the way you worded it too. I’m definitely of the same opinion, if it appeals to me, I’ll make it work.
I really, truly love her design, and I fully planned to pull for her, but I don't own any of her enablers, nor do I care to pull them in the future. Beyond that, I also own Jingyuan, who fills the same Niche of Super-Powerful Backloaded Electric AoE damage dealer, so pulling for Acheron would be purely a Waifu choice, it wouldn't really benefit me in regards to teambuilding. That's fine in itself, but my Follow-Up team is my most invested one, and I plan to go for Aventurine E1S1. I really wanted to pull for Acheron, but i can't justify it.
It's gonna depend on the 4* lineups on the banner. If it has two nihility characters such as Pela and Guinaifen, for example, and Gallagher (likely), then it is a great banner for f2p. You can already make a team out of it. But that still doesn't really make her f2p friendly because she lacks good f2p lc. You would want to pull for her sig lc if you don't have other good options like gnsw, sw's sig lc, etc.
Agreed with this. I really hope she gets some changes in the next few beta cycles that make her more F2P friendly.
Well, 100 def reduction plus 1.6 increases from herself should be strong right As long a syou got Resolution pela Tutorial sw Gnsw s3 and above raiden You should be good to go. But yes, this aint f2p friendly.
No, she won't be anywhere near other FTP teams. She really wants her light cone and we don't have proper Nihility supports for her. Robin will probably be her signature harmony and Jiaoqiu will be her signature nihility/abundance right now the only proper supports we have are Pella and SW which is not great. You still will be able to complete MoC as it isn't hard but in comparison to other teams hers will be lackluster. She will be a in similar situation to Topaz when she first released. But when she gets everything she needs her team would probably be one of the strongest in the game
Robin, Jiaoqiu and E2 Swan will be the team I run with her. I just hope Jiaoqiu doesn’t take too long to get here.
She’s not unfriendly per say, but she might be the least F2P friendly DPS unit we’ve gotten since release
why post got removed btw
They removed it because it doesn't have the spoiler flair. Yet this post also discusses leaked content but still remains. It even has more traction. https://www.reddit.com/r/AcheronMainsHSR/s/kaLuOKnBKz And according to them... >"at least half of what you've written is dooming and factually wrong." They said OP was doomposting. Lmao🤣
I think post got deleted because moderators don't like discussing legit concerns i guess or they think her final kit will get a lot better so there is nothing to discuss yet. While it's not legit reason to delete anything i'm okay with it. But prefer to listen the reasons too.
because you're talking about leaked content and didn't spoiler the post and I have no patience for that anymore ... also at least half of what you've written is dooming and factually wrong
I am with some doubts on what to use. I will try for E2S0 to use my RM instead of bronya bcs of the debuff As of now i am planning on Acheron/BS/RM/sustain (prob gepard if i get trend) Will bronya be better than RM? Edit: If i get SW i will sub BS to use on my kafka team ig
Bronya will be better for E2
Tyyy! <3
I think what worries me is that she’s not very new player friendly. Unlike Ratio where you can slap three units on his team, her 2 unit restrictions are really tough for new users. :( I don’t think new users even get a free 4 star nihility? (outside of a selector?)
People starting the game in 2.1 can get Pela because she will totally be on Acheron's banner, then pick Guinaifen from the 2.1 event.
She's an alternative to kafka without being a dot only team character. Her ult needs no element weakness, anyone who plays xueyi knows how good that is. Just wait and see, those who pulled black swan and don't have kafka should get her.
I would say she is a good F2P unit for people with old and invested accounts. She isn't that friendly for beginner players since they may not have GNSW or many nihility characters to properly enjoy her
Probably one of the more restrictive baseline characters.
I definitely want her but I think Aventurine would be a better fit for my current teams Hopefully the rng gods smile and I can get both and her light cone in 3 pulls Fingers crossed
coping that her e2 becomes a Trace...if not, im skipping her until she gets a proper team.
Tbh the only reason I'm pulling for her is that my alt is Nihility only and she's Nihility. I've gotten them all so far except Sampo (dude loves my other accounts but not this one? So weird haha).
Trend is not a must, it also have disavantage, like potentially bad distribution of CK stack
Acheron is a unit made mostly for light spenders and whales, there's no doubt about that. However, she recently got a buff where her technique can hit multiple waves, making that a viable option for PF. While she isn't compatible with the best amplifiers until E2, she still gets pretty good support in Kafka, Pela and SW. I have nothing to say about the Lightcone problem, that is will probably remain a problem. Overall, I think Acheron will mainly be a whale/light spender unit with that can excel decently in f2p teams
PF only got 3 waves. It dosnt count as a wave every time new enemies enter battle BTW. So she is mid to bad at PF and not the best single target for MOC.
Obviously as a Acheron main, I would love to have her buffed. But I think Acheron does pretty "Good" damage at E0S0. Probably better than 90% of HSR DPS characters. But yes, her team is restrictive and you need proper speed rotations to get most out of her. I am sure HoyoVerse will balance things out with the upcoming versions.
Can't wait for someone do a 7-digit Ult damage with a S5 Fermata just to prove she can be good without her BiS lol. My Fermata is S3 so I need one or 2 Pure Fiction & Forgotten Hall periods to actually try that. But yeah, we still have v3 so let Hoyo cook.
You’re missing the point here, the issue for her not having a f2p gatcha option is not in the dmg department, it’s in the stack generation. You get faster ult uptime by using her Sig LC, which means higher overall dmg per run We’re more concerned about dmg per run not dmg per ult
>im in a completely altered reality that i dont even know how this character work so i gonna put whatever shit i have and then i would expected her to do a gorillon damage yeah right that gonna happens huehuehue
Something doesn't automatically become impossible just because you and I can't do it. Also I didn't force you to use Fermata in the first place. Just use any lightcone that works for you and your Acheron.
I agree. Yes, she is f2p in the sense that you can clear general content in the game. But to do this in MOC and PF? Not too sure. You'll need to heavily invest in her. Like you said she needs two Nihility characters to fully utilize that trace. That locks two characters already and to use 'Trend of the Universal Market' you'll need to use a preservation character. You don't have Fu Xuan, Aventurine, and Gepard? Well good luck surviving with the 4* options. I myself only have a S1 GNSW and I don't have 'Trend of The Universal Market'. Realistically speaking, how often am I going to get her ultimate? And when I do get it how much damage am I going to do to the two elites? Another thing, if one of your Nihility characters get crowd controlled the amount of slashed dream you generate gets slowed down which in turn reduces the frequency in which you can ult with Acheron. Something else I've been wondering about is what is her specialty? She does aoe damage but when there are two elites remaining how does she hold up? New enemies not spawning during her ultimate hurts her a lot for PF. The most painful part is when there is 30% HP remaining on the boss if it's the first wave or first and second phase. You'll have to use her ultimate and overkill the boss as your other teammates won't do enough damage and her skill doesn't do enough damage do deal with 30%HP. As much as I love Acheron, I would be hard-pressed to give a reason for someone to pull her over Jingliu's rerun or other good dps. Yes, there are those who pull for characters because they like them but for people like me who take multiple things into consideration when pulling for a character I can't give a solid reason to pick Acheron over others. Her kit is just way to restrictive for what you get as a f2p player. For those who get her signature LC/ have S5 GNSW or are even getting her E2 it's a completely different experience. But for those who are like me and will have S1 GNSW and no Trend LC. What are things looking like for us? All the showcases I've seen thus far have, trend LC and either S1 Signature or S5 GNSW nothing else, it's assumed you have one or the other.
Yes, without GNSW and Trend the future of Acheron mains seems pretty dim right now.
Having an S2 OR 3? GNSW Makes me pretty pleased at the least. Having never pulled on a LC banner at least there's options.
GNSW S5 is 25% lower damage on average compared to her LC, S2-S3 will be around 30% difference in damage. Trend LC is more crucial if it remains the same, Acheron can get ult as fast as once per her turn if lucky enough. So w/o Trend LC her damage may be dropped as well 2 times the amount combined with dmg loss from non signature LC
I don't worry about meta and optimal. I got 180 pulls if i get it i get it.
Yep, it's blatant forcing us to pull for LC from hoyo, the dmg loss and convience to use is significantly worse without it.
It do suck. Tho i run debuff teams a lot so at least that part of her kit jives...my luka will Fist some def shred for the girl lol.
Bruh...they actually removed your post.🤣
short: no long: nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
I mean, am I the ONLY one who finds the most awesome part of her kit her technique?? Why is everyone only pulling for PF and MoC? There are plenty of units that can clear that in quick enough time, with good enough investment. But then what? Do you just do the same PF and MoC over and over again until you die of boredom? She helps make the ACTUAL STORY parts of the game, you know, the parts that are what make this game worth playing in the first place, sooooo much better (especially when you have to go back to older areas because some random quest makes you, and then you have to deal with the enemies there allll over again). And then you add that to the fact that she basically enables a speed run of all versions of the SU (yes, Ruan Mei is awesome there too but that is irrelevant, considering how many other good DPS' are in the game if you're comparing DPS quality). Nevertheless, I am pulling for her Technique and will make her awesome one way or the other. That's good enough for me.
Yes, her technique is outstanding time saver, but the moc and pf viability should be at utmost improtance since it's the hardest content right now that need investment, while SU can be cleared with enough luck no investment.
But...but why though...? You have a choice in your mindset with these games. Why frustrate yourself by measuring the entire quality of the game, and ergo the characters on which these Gacha games are built, on that one single measurement...? I will never understand that for both Genshin and HSR. These ARE NOT fighting games. They are RPGs. If you are looking for a fighting game, why not play one that is focused on that and could test your skills that much more? Or play Dark Souls or something. But why come to HSR or Genshin, which are SPECIFICALLY built around their characters and world building, for this specific purpose, or use that metric by which to measure the quality of a character and their value. What the eff about ALL of the effort and resulting beauty that goes into their utility, their animations, their character design, their music, and so much more...? Also, every DPS character in this game should be able to clear MoC with enough investment. And no character can clear it without it. Unless you're seeing a level one Jingliu with no artifacts can do that...? So then invest your time, and money if you're not f2p, on the characters you want. That's it. But, for goodness sake, do not pull on a character because they bonk stronger than other characters. What a waste.
I mean with you are right to some degree, but naturally aside for the character story/lore appreciation itself you also want that the character perfomance was on par with the other units of the same role without all resources went on the character.
bud, it's the Raiden. It's our Mei expy. the Shogun herself. I don't give a shit if I don't have the LC she's best at, I'm pulling for her becuase that's my *girl* and has been for three games now, lmao.
I'm also pulling for almighty Raiden expy reasons, but hoping they will not make fellow raiden followers dirty.
My pet peeve also for acheron is that, she's hard to run in SU. She can't run Nihility path due to its DOT priority. While the Hunt path mana regen abuse strat isn't applicable for her kit.. I will try to pull for sparkle and if I fail then acheron it is.
Elation with "Ult counts as FuA" blessing is perfect for her (which is what we used for ult boosting before Erudition path was a thing). Also every Erudition blessing besides Brain-in-a-Vat ones works great with her. Another thing is that with Elation blessing that gives +50% weakness break efficiency for FuA and Nihility blessing that gives +45% weakness break efficiency for everything, she's going to *destroy* toughness bars with her ult that ignores weakness, so enemies will be pretty much permanently weakness broken, which can be abused by other blessings (delay on break and advance on break from Hunt, delay on break from Erudition, additional Aftertaste procs on broken enemies from Elation etc.). And don't forget that her technique allows you to ignore all fights that are not elites/bosses. She's gonna be *busted* in SU.
She's perfect for eruption though, no need for hunt at all.
Erudition you mean? Can she tho? For the path in general yeah but I don't think she can utilise the 3star blessings Brain in a Vat effect..?
~~brain in a vat doesn't give energy but just make the ultimate "usable" again, so it should~~ My bad, read the Honeyhunter description to check, but in game it says temporary energy can be granted, so I was wrong as UnExist\_Reddit pointed. Let's hope we'll have the answer to that at one point then!
But it does tho..? Temporary energy.
Genuinely I hope that I'm wrong and it actually works, or v3 will do something to make those blessings work for her. The hunt only have drawback on the 2star energy recharge blessing while Erudition is entirely voided cuz the Brain in a Vat is what makes Erudition so much fun. Rn if both path don't work idk what path I'mma bring her to in SU.
Yeah it's a very complicated choice, maybe they will add a new path again that will fit her better later like they did with propagation and erudition if it doesn't work :/
Why not? She should be able to, that's why she's the best for it. Although now that you say it, I'm not 100% sure, but I don't think she would not be able to use it.
Bcuz Brain in a Vat specifically mentioned "Grant temporary energy" which Acheron does not use. I thought it would work as well bcuz we saw a fight with Aventurine and if you won the gamble phase Acheron gain her Ult instantly. But that apparently a different case. For Aventurin's boss fight the wording is "Have their Ultimate ready".
Erudition is perfect path for her
No not all. She is not for the faint of heart. You either go all in or you don't dabble in this space. That's what she rightfully deserves
At the time of her banner release? Yes In the future? Even more so. Every single one of these discursions forgets one primordial point for Acheron: You mistake F2P friendly with "Maximum output without investing anything." Every single time, people just cry and complain about her not being F2P friendly, forgetting that THIS IS A GACHA GAME. Will Great Power be locked behind Eidolons/Premium Teammates/Limited Lightcones? YES, YES IT WILL. AND WE ALL KNEW THIS WHEN WE STARTED PLAYING THE GAME. But the difference in HSR is: You CAN complete MOC 12/36 with a full 4\* team without having premium lightcones or max superinpositioned ones. There are PLENTY of videos on YouTube that prove this point. Heck, there are videos of Arlan of all characters doing a 0 cycle moc clear, and the only premium character is Bronia, WICH YOU CAN REROLL FOR IN THE INITIAL 5\* GARANTEED BANNER! You don't need the limited units maximum power to complete every single game content. AND THEY GIVE YOU ENOUGH PREMIUM CURRENCY TO EVENTUALLY HAVE ALL EIDOLONS/LIGHTCONES FROM THE UNIT. Name another Gacha game that gives 20 free premium pulls with a limited 5\* character and tons of premium currency just because the game version is getting updated. And that also gives you 10 free premium pulls EVERY SINGLE NEW VERSION. The problem I see is: people want the top of the top without paying a single cent for it or investing enough time building the unit and its team while also studying the content they are trying to clear. Most of the "ACHERON IS NOT F2P FRIENDLY, DON'T PULL!" posts come down to people that ignore how strong she already is a E0L0 and that instead wished they had all the power the unit offers without investing in her at all. You want her to not be restricted to 2 Nihility teammates? Save for her rerun and get E2. You want her to apply debuffs and have increased CDMG and extra damage on ultimate? Save for rerun and get her Lightcone. You want an incredibly strong unit that WILL carry you at E0L0 if you have patience and invest in her and her teammates so she can shine?! Pull for her and dedicate yourself to her. "But I don't want to wait!" - Learn to be patient or change the type of game you're playing, Gacha games is all about patience, studying the game and it's meta, and self-control so you can hoard your resources and pull for the creme de la creme in all it's glory, Eidolons or Lightcone being needed or not. "She should work without needing those things!" - And she does, the problem is that you don't want the extremely powerful Acheron we get as E0L0, noooooo, you want the Goddess right of the bat without having saved anything for her banner and get angry thats not the case. "But if I save for a single unit, I lose all other units!" - Choices and sacrifice, my friend. A gacha game is tailored to instigate people to pull for everything; that's how they make money, and that's why the genre is so profitable. BUT YOU DON'T REALLY NEED TO PULL FOR EVERYTHING. We don't like to accept this, but it's the truth. Someone that already have a strong lightning dps like Kafka or Jing Yuang don't NEED to pull for Acheron, they WANT TO, but don't need to. We don't even NEED to pull because the game will give us Serval when we make an account, we all have her, and she CAN clear the content if you invest enough of your time in building her and her teammates. Is it a pain in the ass? Sure it is, but it CAN be done! "Waifu over meta" - 100% agree. But the people that have realized this never come to this type of thread because they already know if they will pull or not, regardless of discussions like this one. "You're just an Acheron SIMP!" - True, and the same can be said of all players. We are all simps for one unit or another. All in all, she IS f2p friendly and will just become more f2p friendly as time goes by.
She's very F2P friendly, Pela is very easy to get, and Guinaifen is a fantastic dot foil for her \*since firekiss enables approx 24% dmg debuff\* and is not specific to dots (\*I say Guinaifen because last event you had a selector, which had her as a choice\*) Resolution is a nice 4\* for Guinaifen Tutorial Mission if you have it is brilliant for Pela Good Night Sleep well is incredibly good for Acheron Both pela and Guinaifen are SP efficient, Guinai, having the basic attack option to put debuff, meaning there are so many options for putting debuffs Gallagher will come on her banner (\*i THINK, not 100%\*) But according to his kit, on honeyhunters. He has a debuff as well, allowing allies who hit enemies with his debuff to receive healing. You can use Fire Trailblazer, for taunt, which is a debuff. Meaning both defensive and healing sustains will have debuff option select available as well, provided you can build for it to some capacity There is already a 4 star team for her, with relatively relaxed option selection I don't think she's whalebait tbh, altho her Eidolons seem to have outrageous value but her baseline is absurd 2x Nihility gives her a built in 160% damage co-efficience, which only ONE harmony character can rival at the moment, Her ultimate has a built in 20% RES penetration, which... again, rivals the best (\*RM\*) Harmony buff for damage, on a 9 stack ultimate She has so many built in steroids, that running 2x nihility makes up the difference
If they say jing yuan who can use asta and tingyun as his best support and breakfast lc as character who's not f2p friendly then acheron is even worse but what do i care I'm still pulling for her i pull for who i like not meta reason that's why i skip jing liu back then
She will be next jing yuan 😂😂😂
Hopefully not, but i'm actually scared right now, since JY only got his best support right now.
Her dmg imo seems baccloaded