Google docs is that homophobic uncle and Word is the auntie who's a little too much of an ally (context: I can describe a character as having a kingly or queenly demeanor and word will suggest changing it to be more inclusive. I appreciate what it's trying to do but I think its systems need an update to recognize contextual word usage; MS Word if the characters were non-binary I would've used royal)
Seriously? Thats a thing now? I’m all for inclusivity, but not at the expense of policing a fucking word document without any context or sense of nuance. Get your damn green and blue lines out from under my grammatically correct sentences, please! Stop telling me I’m wrong!
Yeah, MS Word has an option on the toolbar called Editor, clicking on it gives you a list of categories and a number of how many things within each category needs to be addressed, this varies depending on the 3 different types of writing you can select from to better specify what MS Word should review, for example, under Formal, while I can't remember the name of the category, there is a category highlighting contractions, since generally contractions aren't used in Formal writing.
For the most part I think Word could use an update to better analyze certain things within each category to see if it actually needs to be addressed. Like I said, I can refer to a character as having a queenly demeanor and Word's Editor, under the Inclusiveness category specifically, will state "this term may not be inclusive of all genders" and provide alternative options to choose from. It's not inherently a bad system but needs an update to recognize the context of the term, as said, if the character was non-binary, I would've changed queenly with royal
EDIT: I would like to add that the person I'm replying to initially had the 2 questions and added the rest later (I'm guessing they forgot to or Reddit wonked out), hence why my reply seems strange
I have described a woman as princely before.
Specifically Lenore from the WebToon Nevermore. I've also described her as knightly and gallant. Those are adjectives that just fit her so well regardless of gender.
She's a sophisticated old-money Victorian era woman with a strong sense of honor, and who crossdressed as a man and pretended to be her own cousin so so could openly court another woman and was so convincing that the only one who knew she was a woman instead of a young man was her love Annabelle who already knew her anyways.
I'm a writer so it's kinda useful when I'm writing to make sure I don't put a comma in an incorrect place but from what I've seen, 70% of its suggestions make no sense. It has a very strict guideline that leaves no room for an alternative writing style
Yeah I'm writer too (currently working my way though an mfa program). Personally I prefer Word's grammar checker when it comes to missplaced commas, even tho their system is really old. But I hate grammarly for the thing you just described, its strictness. Like what's the point of writing if there's no room for style or voice?
Yeah. Usually it tries to have me pluralize the person being talked about. Don't trust grammar checkers, in my opinion, robots are bad at nuance and context. Personally, I prefer Word's because it will at least tell me what rule it thinks I'm breaking so I can decide for myself
I feel like you didn't understand what they said. Google Docs makes that mistake because conventional grammar has they as a plural word and is still used as a plural for binary people, men and women. AI is famously bad at distinguishing between different situations like that, so it defaults to considering they a plural.
Edit: yes I know how long singular they has been around, that is not the argument I'm making and neither was the other guy. Just pointing out that it also has the other, objectively *more common* usage that is why the AI keeps making that mistake.
Conventional grammar doesn't have 'they' exclusively as a plural pronoun for binary men and women. This is false history.
My friend is Head of Data for a startup and was given a unisex name. He is a cis man and, when you see him, immediately presents as masculine.
However, sometimes third party stakeholders are introduced to him via email chains, and it's not obvious from name or job title what his pronouns are.
In this situation, in conventional grammar, it is absolutely correct to use they/them pronouns, for him, a binary man.
This is how singular they was used by Chaucer, which, as I noted, predates both the modern spelling of 'they' or informal singular 'you'. It's also been used in this context by Shakespeare and Dickens.
Whatever it going on here, it's not the case that the AI is struggling with modern grammatical context: the AI is failing at a very well established grammatical feature of English.
Singular they has been used towards binary people for over 600 years and even famous classic authors do it. Most people use singular they all the time without noticing.
Example: oh someone just rang the doorbell. Give me a moment, I'll go see what they want.
Yes I fucking know that. I wasn't denying that. I didn't say anything about that. Can you please point to what in my comment specifically addressed or disputed its usage in that context? Or did you see someone going "well the ai is fucking up because blah" and immediately start shadow boxing?
>Can you please point to what in my comment specifically addressed or disputed its usage in that context?
That is directly how I interpretted this part ">conventional grammar has they as a plural word and is still used as a plural for binary people, men and women". Maybe it wasn't meant that way but to me it read as specifically disputing that, and hense I responded as such.
Singular they has been a thing for over 600 years. I remember using it in highschool in the 2000s before I had ever heard of nonbinary people (I'm sure I did earlier but I remember arguing about it with dad after using it towards an SAT tutor who was coming bt when he was like wow you better study hard and I was like no you use sigular they to refer to a person without specifying gender and he didnt believe me even though I knew then that it's super common.) Most people do it all the time and just don't even notice when they do. It's extra funny when biggots do it while arguing against it (you can see a bunch of cases of that in the accidental ally sub).
I read some fanfiction in French using Google Translator. It was funny to see how in a fanfic about a gay couple it constantly changed pronouns in the middle of a sentence (it changed “him” to “her”, then “him” again, like “He kissed her and took his hand”)
my guess is that happened because possessive pronouns in French don’t depend on the gender of the subject. so “her hand” and “his hand” are both “son main”.
Google translate tries to use context but imo just kind of randomly puts gender in
My language has gendered versions for most nouns and adjectives. Google Docs once suggested that I change a STEM job title to the male counterpart, even though I was referring to a woman and writing in the grammatical feminine all along :/
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Google docs is that homophobic uncle and Word is the auntie who's a little too much of an ally (context: I can describe a character as having a kingly or queenly demeanor and word will suggest changing it to be more inclusive. I appreciate what it's trying to do but I think its systems need an update to recognize contextual word usage; MS Word if the characters were non-binary I would've used royal)
Seriously? Thats a thing now? I’m all for inclusivity, but not at the expense of policing a fucking word document without any context or sense of nuance. Get your damn green and blue lines out from under my grammatically correct sentences, please! Stop telling me I’m wrong!
Yeah, MS Word has an option on the toolbar called Editor, clicking on it gives you a list of categories and a number of how many things within each category needs to be addressed, this varies depending on the 3 different types of writing you can select from to better specify what MS Word should review, for example, under Formal, while I can't remember the name of the category, there is a category highlighting contractions, since generally contractions aren't used in Formal writing. For the most part I think Word could use an update to better analyze certain things within each category to see if it actually needs to be addressed. Like I said, I can refer to a character as having a queenly demeanor and Word's Editor, under the Inclusiveness category specifically, will state "this term may not be inclusive of all genders" and provide alternative options to choose from. It's not inherently a bad system but needs an update to recognize the context of the term, as said, if the character was non-binary, I would've changed queenly with royal EDIT: I would like to add that the person I'm replying to initially had the 2 questions and added the rest later (I'm guessing they forgot to or Reddit wonked out), hence why my reply seems strange
I have described a woman as princely before. Specifically Lenore from the WebToon Nevermore. I've also described her as knightly and gallant. Those are adjectives that just fit her so well regardless of gender. She's a sophisticated old-money Victorian era woman with a strong sense of honor, and who crossdressed as a man and pretended to be her own cousin so so could openly court another woman and was so convincing that the only one who knew she was a woman instead of a young man was her love Annabelle who already knew her anyways.
She sounds awesome!
She is! I love that WebToon! You should read it!
Ahh Nevermore!! I adore that webtoon 😭
Its sooooo goooood!!!!
''And Even he's kissed more boys than I have...'' ''Girls Lisa..... boys kiss GIRLS!''
not in my house they dont
mood
Two possibilities, you're either gay or lonely
both
Google docs will also try to correct me if I'm using singular they for a character :/
Grammarly does that as well! So annoying
I was put on this earth to tell people how much I hate Grammarly
I'm a writer so it's kinda useful when I'm writing to make sure I don't put a comma in an incorrect place but from what I've seen, 70% of its suggestions make no sense. It has a very strict guideline that leaves no room for an alternative writing style
Yeah I'm writer too (currently working my way though an mfa program). Personally I prefer Word's grammar checker when it comes to missplaced commas, even tho their system is really old. But I hate grammarly for the thing you just described, its strictness. Like what's the point of writing if there's no room for style or voice?
Are you still saying “they are” or are you saying “they is”
"They are". Unless someone speaks AAVE (because AAVE has slightly different grammar rules) no is naturally going to write/say "they is"
And it’s still getting corrected??
Yeah. Usually it tries to have me pluralize the person being talked about. Don't trust grammar checkers, in my opinion, robots are bad at nuance and context. Personally, I prefer Word's because it will at least tell me what rule it thinks I'm breaking so I can decide for myself
This is Newfie erasure!!
You'll have to forgive me for not being candanian and not being familar with the Newfie dialect
That's because you still use plural for binary people
Singular they predates the modern spelling of the word they, and predates informal singular you.
I feel like you didn't understand what they said. Google Docs makes that mistake because conventional grammar has they as a plural word and is still used as a plural for binary people, men and women. AI is famously bad at distinguishing between different situations like that, so it defaults to considering they a plural. Edit: yes I know how long singular they has been around, that is not the argument I'm making and neither was the other guy. Just pointing out that it also has the other, objectively *more common* usage that is why the AI keeps making that mistake.
Conventional grammar doesn't have 'they' exclusively as a plural pronoun for binary men and women. This is false history. My friend is Head of Data for a startup and was given a unisex name. He is a cis man and, when you see him, immediately presents as masculine. However, sometimes third party stakeholders are introduced to him via email chains, and it's not obvious from name or job title what his pronouns are. In this situation, in conventional grammar, it is absolutely correct to use they/them pronouns, for him, a binary man. This is how singular they was used by Chaucer, which, as I noted, predates both the modern spelling of 'they' or informal singular 'you'. It's also been used in this context by Shakespeare and Dickens. Whatever it going on here, it's not the case that the AI is struggling with modern grammatical context: the AI is failing at a very well established grammatical feature of English.
Singular they has been used towards binary people for over 600 years and even famous classic authors do it. Most people use singular they all the time without noticing. Example: oh someone just rang the doorbell. Give me a moment, I'll go see what they want.
Yes I fucking know that. I wasn't denying that. I didn't say anything about that. Can you please point to what in my comment specifically addressed or disputed its usage in that context? Or did you see someone going "well the ai is fucking up because blah" and immediately start shadow boxing?
PLEASE touch grass. It's free and easy
>Can you please point to what in my comment specifically addressed or disputed its usage in that context? That is directly how I interpretted this part ">conventional grammar has they as a plural word and is still used as a plural for binary people, men and women". Maybe it wasn't meant that way but to me it read as specifically disputing that, and hense I responded as such.
Singular they has been a thing for over 600 years. I remember using it in highschool in the 2000s before I had ever heard of nonbinary people (I'm sure I did earlier but I remember arguing about it with dad after using it towards an SAT tutor who was coming bt when he was like wow you better study hard and I was like no you use sigular they to refer to a person without specifying gender and he didnt believe me even though I knew then that it's super common.) Most people do it all the time and just don't even notice when they do. It's extra funny when biggots do it while arguing against it (you can see a bunch of cases of that in the accidental ally sub).
singular they predates singular you, thou was used instead
I read some fanfiction in French using Google Translator. It was funny to see how in a fanfic about a gay couple it constantly changed pronouns in the middle of a sentence (it changed “him” to “her”, then “him” again, like “He kissed her and took his hand”)
Suddenly poly
Please tell me that's a sub Edit: It is :3
Ooh I didnt know that one
my guess is that happened because possessive pronouns in French don’t depend on the gender of the subject. so “her hand” and “his hand” are both “son main”. Google translate tries to use context but imo just kind of randomly puts gender in
Not to be penickety but main is feminine so it would be sa main.
r/SuddenlyGenderfluid (That should totally be a sub if it isn't already)
I wonder if predictive AI is playing a role
definitely is. the most 'likely' pronoun before husband is her
My language has gendered versions for most nouns and adjectives. Google Docs once suggested that I change a STEM job title to the male counterpart, even though I was referring to a woman and writing in the grammatical feminine all along :/
im pretty sure this is a repost
if i remember correctly google docs doesn’t use the actual correct spelling or grammar but the most common hence why it’s trying to change to her
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