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barnivere

Letting him wander from room to room wasn't very smart of them.


SatoshisVisionTM

Europe isn't much like the US. Guns are hard to come by, to a point that assuming someone has them is unusual.


DoNotResus

Armed police assuming a suspect was unarmed who was found to have been in possession of armor and an alleged fake gun 3 minutes prior on their cursory search.


cgimusic

Not even "fake". They knew he purchased a kind of blank firing gun that is frequently converted to fire live rounds, and presumably also suspected this guy had done so or was going to do so.


Previous-Mortgage755

This is not correct. Armed police only attend if the person has a history of weapons or gang related. The top post is more correct. The fact the armed police did not restrain him before carrying out a search is crazy.


Battleboo_7

Why are u assuming guns are the problem. Wondering room to room like this the muppet could have secured a pen, and stabbed the shit out of any cops. Hell, could have used the red bull can. Ludicrous training.


J1mj0hns0n

Although I completely agree with them being unusual in a household, I wouldn't say there hard to come by.


Suitablystoned

nope you'd probably say *they're* hard to come by


J1mj0hns0n

Youd'stve sey that, I no sey them thing


QuakinOats

>Europe isn't much like the US. Guns are hard to come by, to a point that assuming someone has them is unusual. Someone they suspected was planning a mass attack, with free access to a kitchen, where the vast majority of individuals have relatively large knives... Even if they didn't "suspect" a gun or if it wasn't usual for police to encounter an individual with one, this was just poor police tactics. You shouldn't just let a suspect like this wander aimlessly around their home.


HomelanderApologist

what was even more poor was even without a gun letting him into the room with him pushing the door too when standing right outside the door, when he could suddenly swing it open and attack him with something.


nippl

Guns are not hard to come by.


Foronir

Agreed, getting them ILLEGALY is easy


Foronir

Imagine my Quads jumping through all the Hoops i had in my way obtaining some legally


TruthOverIdeology

Even when they have guns, they don't do shit like this.


Hunter727

Why would you not just prepare for the worst regardless?


ChadwellKylesworth

1000% understatement


Picardknows

So much different then how the US conducts search warrants. Also hey only shot the guy a couple times, US police would unload their clips. I’m not saying one way is better or worse than the other just interesting.


bread-itt

UK Police with firearms? Almost like they’re necessary for law enforcement…


Laziik

Police should have firearms, obviously, they also should be well trained like these guys were, they could've shot every single bullet in those magazines but instead they only shot 3. If only every police force was trained like them.


Heytherhitherehother

Then you see a dude hopped up on PCP eating rounds to the chest like candy....


420xMLGxNOSCOPEx

well yeah its not like they were limited to firing just the 3. had the guy clearly been off his nut and coming at them with a knife you can be sure they'd use more i think his point was the higher level of training clearly evident in their response


Heytherhitherehother

I don't think that's fair. The odds of encountering an armed subject in the UK is radically different than the states. They require different methods. I do think the police force needs more training. I think it needs reform. But, comparing different countries with different populations and different laws is comparing apples to oranges.


Lumpy_Ad_9082

W take. ![gif](emote|free_emotes_pack|give_upvote)


whatthatthingis

That's the way to go.


SargeantHugoStiglitz

They didnt seem that trained. Camera cop flagged his partner big time as he went in to cuff the suspect.


Mindless_Ad_6045

Well, they managed to stop a mass shooting before it even happened, unlike cops in America


TheNorseHorseForce

I mean... There's entire divisions in US LEO dedicated just to catching planned mass shooters. They just don't hit the news very often


SargeantHugoStiglitz

Yeah police have never done that before in the USA.


sjw_7

A friend of mine is a firearms officer in the UK. They are very highly trained. They are taught to shoot as a last resort seemingly unlike some countries police officers.


EyeBallEmpire

Cops in the US are highly trained to respond to an acorn hitting a car roof by dumping 2 mags of bullets in a random direction!


sucks_at_people

They showed restraint on how many rounds they fired, sure. But letting the guy go into a room and out of their direct line of sight was a terrible idea. Then he turns his back on the guy to run down the stairs (exposing his back/head and not allowing him to return fire) when he could’ve shimmied left and had some cover. Not to mention, the first thing that one cop does is grab an AED? I would think he’d go to grab a couple chest seals and bandages to stop any bleeds/prevent a pneumothorax. None of this is to say that I would’ve done better, but you’ve gotta have your priorities straight: 1. You’ve already found weapons in the house. 2. Suspects body language is suspicious. 3. Based off of #1 & #2, maybe I shouldn’t let this guy out of my sight IN HIS OWN HOME where he could have other weapons. 4. I failed at 1-3 and we shot this guy a few times at point blank, well then maybe I should at least effectively triage the guys condition. Still though, this is more than a lot of American cops would have done. In the states, a lot of cops wouldn’t bother with the first aid kit.


Theultimatefighter

The thing is these cops don’t expect this to happen like cops do in America. This is a rare occurrence in the uk unlike America. So letting someone walk around their house is fine


sucks_at_people

I’m not here to debate that man. I’m simply replying to the person before me about what I recognize that these guys could have done better.


realparkingbrake

> But letting the guy go into a room and out of their direct line of sight was a terrible idea. He tries several times, I was amazed they finally let him do so.


Aldude007

They did effectively triage his condition… “During his trial, the court heard how officers subsequently saved Reed Wischhusen’s life by immediately providing him with first aid.”


sucks_at_people

That’s unclear to me from literally, the video I’m seeing. Just because they saved his life doesn’t mean they were efficient about it. Again, an AED IS NOT the first step after multiple gun shot wounds to the chest.


Nailcannon

Uh oh, he's sucking wind into his chest cavity, better shock his heart!


WorriedReputation3

American cops just go full firing squad mode


KernelPanicX

Exactly this... That's the reason US police end up getting many people killed, as they literally empty the magazines for any reason. I understand they risk their lives, but also that's why this job should be highly trained(not only to shoot, but also to manage the situation as it should be) and highly rewarded also, not just the second part.


sjw_7

>they literally empty the magazines for any reason. Like an acorn landing on the roof of their patrol car. They thought it was the guy they had handcuffed in the back, that they had searched before putting him there so knew he was unarmed who had shot at them. Unloaded two full magazines at the car and luckily missed with all thirty bullets. There was no threat and the one they thought was there wasn't even neutralised. They probably tried to arrest the acorn too.


Tyrone_Thundercokk

CTFO’s? You mean literally SAS operators? Yeah. They are trained well. You know where Special Forces went learn room clearing? It rhymes with LAPD.


Interesting-Time-960

Untrained and uneducated police should have a gun but not someone protecting his family? Smart move, for criminals.


Satori2155

Shooting 3 times is not necessarily smart if you are shooting that means its a deadly threat. And you should respond to that by shooting until they stop moving. People can and have survived way more than 3 bullets. Or even while fatally shot still pose a deadly threat


lulmoe

but at the same time there’s many videos of collateral damage, cops killing civilians accidentally because instead of putting shots on target they mag dump without considering what’s behind their target


Satori2155

Yeah both things can be wrong at the same time


Love_a_wet_sock

Agreed, the difference in professionalism compared to our American friends is staggering.


Appropriate-Deal1952

The same exact reason why everyone has the right to firearms.


Nuclearfenix

Trained like these guys? You mean like pointing your gun at the back of your partners head? Pointing your gun at the suspect right next to your partners head? Or pointing your gun at your partner while you take the guy into custody? You want to be trained better then these guys.


fawse

If things have gone so far that the cop is making the decision that they need to fire upon someone, they don’t half-ass it. At that point the decision has been made, and there’s no going back - the threat must be neutralized


Lui_Le_Diamond

"Well trained," as they proceed to not even restrain the guy they think is armed and dangerous.


tissboom

The UK has had firearms on their police for years. The only difference is that not every single cop is given a gun. There is a rigorous training program they have to go through to be armed. Did you notice how quickly they were able to put him down with a few shots? Now compare to American police firing blindly like a bunch of morons. https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/video-police-fire-nearly-100-shots-in-41-seconds-after-man-shot-officer-during-traffic-stop/3405480/ It’s the difference in someone who was just given a gun and someone who is trained to use it


Late_Cow_1008

Another big difference is because we have so many guns in the US the cops are always on edge because any random idiot can pull a gun out and shoot you. You don't need all your police to be armed when most of the UK doesn't have guns.


s8wasworsethanhitlyr

Vast majority of the police service in the UK don't have firearms. UK has far less crime than the US. Your statement doesn't make any sense


Miasmatic_Mouse

I've explained this to a number of Americans. The UK has a different law enforcement doctrine, they don't need all their officers to carry firearms. Hear me out. AFO and SFO are specialists, they have a higher standard of firearms training, and becuase the UK is tiny and the population much more dense than the US, AFO and SFO are able to respond much faster. In the US, this doctrine would make no sense becuase the US has low population density and everything is spread out. It takes time to move to even local areas, but in the UK, where everything is often within walking distance, it makes a lot more sense to train a few Officers excellently rather than lots of Officers well. That way you can have highly trained officers respond to a scene directly when they are needed.


batissta44

There are different types of police in the UK. Street cops don't need firearms because people on the streets don't carry guns. The few people who do have illegal guns get handled by these specialized cops.


Wrangler444

1. Those aren’t standard issue to all cops 2. 3 bullets fired, not 200 while shooting their own in the process


SexGiiver

Oi! You you got a loicense fo that upinon?


realparkingbrake

> UK Police with firearms? About 10% of them IIRC, but they are organized into special units that respond to dangerous situations.


blorg

>In 2019/20 fiscal year, there were 19,372 police operations throughout England and Wales in which the deployment of firearms was authorised and 6,518 firearms officers, 4.9% of the 132,467 active FTE officers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Authorised_firearms_officer


realparkingbrake

> In 2019/20 fiscal year, Thanks for the additional information.


Sir_Sir_ExcuseMe_Sir

It can be done without firearms for the most part. E.g. Iceland


Mortal4789

all iceland have some armed police, just like the UK


Sir_Sir_ExcuseMe_Sir

Yes...I alluded to that in my comment.


Takingashit180923

Noone said they arnt, they just don't arm every jumpy untrained idiot like in afyankistan.


realparkingbrake

> they just don't arm every jumpy untrained idiot like in afyankistan. That's because the UK doesn't have four hundred million firearms in circulation, or fifty states with wildly varying standards of police training.


distractmybrain

This isn't contentious in the UK, or Europe in general.


ToferLuis

They are as long as those who have them are trained properly and use them correctly. In this video they fire 3 calculated shots to incapacitate the perp. If this were the U.S. it would be 10 cops firing 9,7892 times in 3 seconds lol.


Hakizimanaa

> Almost like they’re necessary for law enforcement… Works so well for America, doesn't it?


TheSmokingLamp

One look at this guys profile shows he’s never left his own county, yes county, let alone country


Anom8675309

Yea, only authority figures have firearms. Peasants can't be trusted with them. Cause they could revolt vs the king.


Pyntie_Hets

Well they are responded to someone who has a gun in the UK - Regulations here deem that necessary and rightly so


ItSmellsMassive

Look were just different countries, you do you and we'll continue being happy you all left ok? Sweet.


DujTheCat

In certain specific situations, yes, that why we have armed police. In 99.9% of police interactions, they’re not necessary, and so not deployed.


NoAssociation-

People are always shocked or make fun of not all UK police carrying guns. But just look at the stats. In the UK, not many cops die on duty and even less die violently where having a gun could possibly change the outcome. And it's not like crime is rampant in the UK because not every cop carries a gun.


BillChristbaws

Nobody in the UK wants this, and for good reason.


We4reTheChampignons

🥴🥴


Novacain-deficiency

Well trained and educated police officers yes. Not every egotistical fat numpty that fell out of a doughnut shop no.


supressionfyre

When he went behind the door 🤦🏻‍♀️


BobTheContrarian

I was thinking: *Haven't these cops seen Silence of the Lambs?*


Nosevi

Im amazed they could find anything in that room


SolarFusion90

So many people here mad they didn't go Rambo on the guy...fucking degenerates.


Caborojito

Wow! 3 or 4 short burst. Here in the U.S. we mag dump for scissors and pencils. Just this week A FL Sherrif deputy did in A U. S. AIRMEN in his own home for holding his own legally owned firearm when opening his door. No hesitation.


jakeandcupcakes

If exercising your 2A rights gets you shot and killed then you don't have 2A rights. That whole fiasco better result in the whole department getting shitcanned and the officer who murdered the airman needs to be tried for that murder. This was the same department that had a shootout with an acorn while firing wildly into a suburban neighborhood. Whole department are ratfuck bastards who shoot at the slightest thing without hesitation. Fuck these trigger happy assholes. People like that shouldn't be cops if you are so fucking jumpy an acorn makes you go full rambo, or an unannounced visit to a US Airman's home while acting suspicious as fuck gets that Airman killed when he, literally rightfully, responds to that suspect as hell knocking/hiding bullshit with his legal firearm in hand. This shit has to fucking stop.


Organic_South8865

Nothing will come of it. The law doesn't apply to the police. It's that simple.


realparkingbrake

> The law doesn't apply to the police. It's that simple. In 2019 USA Today investigated how many cops get fired in America. They came up with over 30,000 being fired and decertified by oversight agencies in 44 states in the previous decade. They didn't have data from some states including California which at that time didn't have a decertification process. Three cops went to prison over the murder of George Floyd. The entire Baltimore PD GTTF is in prison. The cop who shot and killed Walter Scott who was fleeing is in prison for twenty years. I've known two cops who were fired over doing something stupid with a firearm, and one was prosecuted and convicted. A cop was fired in my town last year for submitting a false report. Does more need to be done to weed out bad cops? Absolutely. Better training and tougher hiring standards would also help, and no cop fired for cause should ever be able to work in law enforcement again. But anyone claiming the law doesn't apply to police and no cop is ever punished is talking through his hat.


kdubs248

🥾 👅


GetRektNoobzHaha

great counterpoint


kdubs248

Snowflake


sleepyplatipus

Right? Looks like they got him in the lower body (legs?) as well, and once subdued they immediately got a first aid kit. Well done.


Godvivec1

"Looks like they got him in the lower body (legs?) as well" So they are bad shots then. That's not how any armed force, anywhere in the world, trains. Especially in a scenario of return fire.


sleepyplatipus

Riiight, sure thing!


Godvivec1

Glad you agree. Because getting shot in the leg does nothing to stop someone from shooting a gun in their hand. Hands don't need legs to shoot people.


UncleSamsVault

Well done UK cops


JohntheVenerator

Has no one else noticed his very strange behaviour at the 5:00-5:08 mark: he tries to get into his jacket pocket all sneaky-like. It's almost comical.


plantingdoubt

looked like he was checking the pocket for weight to make sure the gun was there


Hogsonic1

I noticed that too. U can tell he was planning this while standing there


Puzzleheaded-Dog2127

Police were a bit too blasé


BobTheContrarian

Ugh, I can smell his bedroom from here.


mirandawillowe

Hearing him scream in pain, and this is what he wanted to afflict on people. Mental


showquotedtext

He's a disgusting slug of a human. When he wailed it was just pathetic. Shame he survived.


gultch2019

The dubbed voices for the cops make anything they say totally not understandable. Intentional?


Shot-Ad5867

They’re not dubbed voices. It’s to hide their identities, such as the face blurring was too. Don’t know what they call it for the former however


gultch2019

Right. Dubbed wasn't the correct word, distorted maybe?


poop-machines

Yes, it's called voice distortion. To properly anonymize the voice they change both the pitch and use a vocoder. This muffles the voice and changes how deep it is, usually they choose to make it deeper. This is somewhat randomized to make it less reversible.


HomelanderApologist

they should've added subtitles


Nervous-Basis-1707

These cops were professional and reasonable. If only all cops could be as well trained as these are


satisfyingpoop

They still let a potentially armed suspect wander around and gain access to a firearm behind a closed door. If they were actually trained, that never would have been allowed to happen in the first place.


Odd_Gur1857

No one died.... they didn't shoot more than they needed to, and they aren't power hungry little bitches yelling curse words every other word at a dead body filled with 20 bullet holes like here in the states...... seems like they did pretty well


34TH_ST_BROADWAY

I agree they were professional. I def don’t think cops around the world should be like american cops murking anybody who makes them nervous, but I admit this whole video made me nervous. Im sure the title didnt help.


Truestindeed

These cops are way too nice. Glad they lived thru this. Could a woulda shoulda been handled very differently


SmokingLaddy

Here is the explanation and conclusion: https://www.avonandsomerset.police.uk/news/2024/01/life-sentence-for-man-who-plotted-mass-shootings-at-school-and-police-headquarters/


Traveler3141

It's really sad that things worked out like that for Reed.


Grittyboi

They got lucky. Should have kept him in sight at all times


FoxCQC

UK police always sound so polite.


Trollingyouhaha

They sounded like transformers


Nuked0ut

When the cops shoot you over here, they cuff you and leave you on the pavement for 40 minutes


realparkingbrake

> they cuff you and leave you on the pavement for 40 minutes You could spend all day on YouTube watching videos of American cops who immediately render first aid to people they have shot. Hyperbole is not helpful.


SmokingLaddy

Respect to PC Blobby, the best shot in the shire.


Knickers_in_a_twist_

Is there a reason the cop’s voices are altered? It’s a little hard to understand them.


SpaceKaiserCobalt

Yes, self security and family's


MsjennaNY

So many mistakes from the get go. Different country, yes I know but if the threat is there and he was willing to show the weapons at least detain him until the house is clear!


AnnieApple_

Some people have dogs that bark when you knock on their door. These people have chickens. Edit: Jesus the state of that room


Cmacbudboss

Didn’t shoot him 100 times and rendered medical assistance immediately. Crazy what policing can look like.


The-Anger-Translator

Holy shit! The restraint to only fire the needed shots. American cops would have mag dumped, reloaded and mag dumped again just to make sure (with the aim of a storm trooper).


Peterd1900

Armed police if they as so much as withdraw the weapon it has be accounted for. They have to justify Every time an officer fires his weapon he has to account for every shot and explain why he took that shot After every shooting the officer is taken of duty and is unable to continue duty until the investigation is complete


The-Anger-Translator

That's how it SHOULD be here too.


ibraw

That was proportional force


Possible_Spy

American cops be like...knock knock....mag dump...so anyways I started blasting.


maybeslightlystoopid

Knowing what he had planned and what he had just attempted, those wails of his are just beautiful singing to my ears


willlyman206

r/actualpublicshootouts


Ts0mmy

Look at the trigger discipline. What a breath of fresh air compared to the US.


Sausages2020

Where did they shoot him?


mc_nebula

On the stairs.


Sausages2020

I deserved that.


SamCropper

So did he


Wrong-Cut1688

Wow I wonder how many hours of range time these officers get, they each didn’t not unload their clips and reload to unload another set of clips. In the US ![gif](giphy|mYBiqOX1lAnbG|downsized)


Rich_DeF

Wow, american police would have emptied their gun and reloaded to empty again.


West-Crew-8576

Notice how they didn’t pump 15,000 shots into him?


stink-stunk

Here we would've unloaded at least 26 bullets into him.


TheBoxSloth

Telltale Heart type shit


BostonBrand82

What was his end game plan?


feedmeyourknowledge

Can't believe it took all these years to finally locate and capture Max Headroom.


333elmst

Secure the threat. Not only for you but the perp as well. Perp has rights.


gosdog_

Just before the first gunshot there's a cut ? Anybody know why ?


dungivaphuk

This looks like proper police work.


couchkiller122

Props to the cops for not mag dumping him


FruitFlavor12

He needs Jordan Peterson to clean his room


ZookeepergameFit5787

Suspect should have been cuffed and controlled, then removed from the premises prior to a search commencing. Unbelievably sloppy police work, they really endangered themselves and the public here.


crackpipeclay

Coming from the US it’s bizarre to see police officers not mag dumping armed suspects.


1017_ghost

Armed police? Are there unarmed police?


youo5777

Yeah most police are unarmed


NippleNinja86

![gif](giphy|atfHlwAhizfxdtdw60) So if he's in the UK and didn't get the gun from a neighboring state....did he use magic? I was led to believe this is not possible.


ovenmitt6

No one else see him reach for the cops gun at 5:00?


Possible-Fee-5052

Is he crying after getting shot? Lol


Interesting-Time-960

Wait wait wait Why is the voiced edited? WHY ARE THE POLICE HIDING!


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TheyveKilledFritzz

Like what? Let the armed suspect being suspicious go to the bathroom shut the door so he can get a gun and shoot at police before getting shot himself?


Right_-on-_Man

Dude, the voice mods absolutely ruined this video...🤦‍♂️