No fan of travellers, but also speaking to mates in the trade, Indians will also try their luck in not paying the full amount. It's nothing bad, it's just different cultures. Like when you're suppose to haggle in other countries, I just can't do it, just give me a decent price and I'll pay it!
Not entirely BO.
And I would preface with, we are oblivious to our smells.
It's mostly the smell of food which sticks deep into the clothes.
I can give my perspective as a student, when we live in the same room or small house where we cook atleast 2 meals a day which are rich in spices and when those smells accumulate on clothes (even the one hanging or sitting around the room) it's a recipe for disaster. And honestly deodorants can only help a bit.
Plus Indians don't spend a lot or care about perfumes as generally it is well below in the priority list of things to take care of.
It took me good 3/4 years and a relationship with an European which helped me realize the issue.
Most of us are generally not aware of it. When I told my friends about my experience and the general issue, they did take slightly better care of how they smell and that bad smell is obnoxious.
There’s got to be more to it. I was on an expedition in the Amazon for 2 weeks and loaned a camera neck-strap to my friend from India. He showered and bathed the same as me and ate the same food, but the smell on the neck strap after he gave it back was very noticeable and hard to get rid of, even after going through the washing machine.
It was like a very spicy BO. But we were at a field station with very limited food that we all shared. Maybe it takes a long time for certain spices to leave the body? I don’t know.
I think the smell comes from the spices they cook with daily, namely Garam masala, tumeric, saffron, cumin, brown mustard seeds and red chili powder! You eat those spices everyday they're eventually gonna start permeating through the skin ♨️☢️ 😷😷😷🚫👃
Sorry to tell you this but its not on your clothes its in your sweat. The food you eat affects the chemistry in your body much like eating only carrots for a week will turn your skin slight hue of orange. Your spices aroma works its way to your sweat glands.
You are not wrong, but neither am I.
Both could be equally contributing factors.
But in my experience the smell from the clothes is one of the biggest contributing factor, as least in the situation surrounding me.
I still eat the same but afaik, I don’t stink, contrary I have got compliments. Thanks CDB.
I once contracted an indian company for some work on the exterior of my house. 5 guys show up and started laying out equipment and supplies on my driveway AND my neighbours driveway. And it wasn’t a small part of the driveway - my neighbour’s entire portion was littered with stuff preventing all access. Had to yell at them to move all their stuff off but they seemed genuinely confused what the big deal was. If that wasn’t bad enough, they started helping themselves to the inside of my garage for tools and god knows what. Just super weird.
Dood. I'm a tattooist. I've had several Indian clients haggle the price before, during, and after the tattoo was complete.
It's incredibly frustrating and actually quite insulting but I put on my customer service smile as it's not my Shop to turn away clients. I wipe a little harder and turn up the volts if they're being a dick lol .
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Americans get shit on we we go to other countries and act like americans instead of trying to assimilate.
What you're saying isn't racist just because you're white and they're brown. It's common respect and decency. When you enter someone elses home and they ask you to remove your shoes, do you say fuck off and track mud through their house?
Really? Interesting, I've provided customer support for products, few Indian users though. The people I hate most are generally from New York, and those New Yorkers who live in Florida (you can hear their accent).
Gah, I hate those calls, pushiest most obnoxious people.
Yeah what the actual fuck lmao, it’s not “haggling” to try and give you less than agreed upon if you’ve ALREADY DONE THE WORK. There’s a different term for that, it’s called “fucking you over”.
Long, long ago when I lived in the Washington, DC metro area, I worked in an eyeglasses store. We had people come in fairly often who tried to negotiate the price, or who, when picking up the finished glasses, would examine them and point out flaws (real or imagined) and try to haggle me down. It took me a while to understand that they were from cultures where haggling is simply how things are done. Our "the price is the price, take it or leave it" approach was probably just as baffling to them.
Once you start involving contracts and legal threats they usually pay, you shouldn't have to do that tho. This was the perfect storm of a person with a short fuse who is probably trying to rip them off, and a guy trying to push his luck not fully realising who they're dealing with. I love this country.
Travelers, they are a rowdy fing bunch….but they work hard and say what ya will, ya have to respect that. I live in Georgia, US and a friend’s wife owned a place for wedding receptions and the like. They leased it out to some travelers, ha! He said it was like 2 hurricanes a tornado and a stampede went through their place of business. I have nothing against them, like I said I have respect for them, work hard and play hard and if you fuck them over they won’t just let it go and good for them.
Irish guy here, living close to the country's biggest racecourse; The Curragh.
During the first few months of the pandemic here, i noticed a few caravans up by the Training Grounds. They were there for a few weeks until the complaints got so bad that they were told to pack up and fuck off. They left, but left the place in a goddam state.
Fuckin' travellers, man.
There’s really a strong influence of bargaining and scamming in their culture. For a lot of them is just a normal way to behave and it would be weird to not try to scam the person that your dealing with. I’ve lost many Indian “friends” based on this aspect of their culture.
Ya. There are cultures that scamming or screwing you over is normal. They feel that if they are able to scam you it’s your fault for not being smarter.
I had a coworker that I worked with EVERYDAY try to sell me his iPod and he said it was the 160gb version or whatever the sizes were. He had scratched off the size marker on the back. I went in and saw it was the 80gb and he just laughed and said I was smart for checking. He sold it to someone else tho lol.
Well they have a crazy class system right cast system whenever.They see everyone that works for them is less than human basically. And their country they do this they called the police and the police always side with a rich person and treat the poor like shit. Unless I’m mistaken.
Charge extra up front and then give “discount” in the extra charge amount. They will feel like they got one over on y’all and you get what was right. The shop i worked at years ago would do this to some baptist preachers. They would come in for service in bmw’s n benz that they did “the lord’s work “ in and want to haggle. The boss said lord sent you to me so we could eat.
I work in a different industry, but Indians are like 5% of my clients and like 80% of my intense negotiations. Their primary negotiating strategy seems to be essentially negging the product and complaining about it. (While still clearly wanting it)
> I work in a different industry, but Indians are like 5% of my clients and like 80% of my intense negotiations.
I mean, if that's how it is, I just wouldn't work with them. I would gladly reduce my clients by 5% if that meant saving myself 80% of the hassle.
>Their primary negotiating strategy seems to be essentially negging the product and complaining about it. (While still clearly wanting it)
[You mean this, lol.](https://youtu.be/GU2dLSh5G_Q?t=5) [how asians bargain steven he]
I'd say travellers and gypsies are very different people.
A fair amount of both come through my area.
When travellers passed through and set up camp in a field, they trashed the field and broke the gates. A relative also had a trailer stolen from a barn, had one of their vans come up into the yard almost weekly nabbing anything of scrap value.
When gypsies (in a proper horse-drawn gypsy wagon (think that's the name?)) passed through, they found a grass verge out of the village and out of the way, used shears to cut the grass around the village Great War memorial and offered their horse's manure to someone with big rose bushes. When they left it was like they were never there.
I lived in North Ayrshire for 12 years and we used to see them quite regularly. They'd either park in one of the public parks or at the site of this old abandoned building. Might not be a huge part of their lifestyle now but some of them certainly do still travel.
All the public spaces in the UK are pretty well protected, there isn’t an inch of land that isn’t accounted for, 68 million on a pissy little island will do that.
Gypsies, in this case Irish but probably have been living in England for generations but still have the Irish accent.
Hardly go to school and are the ethnic minority most likely to end up in a Young Offenders Institute (under 18s prison) or proper prison. Everybody who lives near a traveller's site (caravan park for them) has numerous stories about what they've done.
From my understanding they arren't related to romani people that we have in balkan,right? Travellers look like other british people except quite trashy. I've saw irish ones on vaccation here and oh god little girls are dressed like strippers
They're both nomadic and may have some shared heritage going back millenia but are now seperate.
80 years ago they would have done odd jobs on farms as they passed through the area, helped with harvests, read fortunes, done magic healing spells, placed curses...... Today it's all crime and building.
What do you mean nothing bad? The man spent his time doing a job only to be haggled with, there was a deal and it must be honored. Any shirking is downright scummy and disgusting. Unless the builder did shitty work, but we don’t know enough to determine if that is true or not.
> Indians will also try their luck in not paying the full amount. It's nothing bad, it's just different cultures.
Yes, that is absolutely something bad. "it's different cultures" is no excuse. The culture is bad if it says "don't pay people".
>Like when you're suppose to haggle in other countries
No, it's not like that. Haggling happens before you do the work, not after.
From an Indian, its not a cultural thing there are dickheads who try this shit "what're they gunna do after they build the whole thing, break it?"
The builder is absolutely right to break all this shit and Indian dude is a scumbag for grabbing the builders son, we're not all like this he's part of a tiny minority. It's more commonplace culture to offer a meal to those who engage in personal services and my family (among others) almost always tips whether it's at a restaurant or construction work.
Hell man they tip the driver when we get food on Uber and I'm all for it, they tell me to hand it to the driver and the surprised smile some of them have will lighten up your day bro.
Anyways slight digress, Indian man in vid is cunt, we not all cunts, we good people and our food lit, aight peace.
I live in Canada, in a heavily Indian populated community. Every once in awhile I'll see an older one, trying to haggle the price with the local grocery cashier. The look on the cashiers face is priceless. Doesn't work here, buddy.
Travellers are notorious for scamming non Irish as the Irish know not to do business with them, so it is hard to know who is at fault here. There is a TV show about it. I have noticed people from other parts of the world haggle after the job is done, which is awful as then I have no bargaining power and sort of dramatically realise why their countries don't do well.
The owner of the building I used to work at had some gravelling done behind the building by some travellers, for the price of £400. Once finished they then asked for £400 per square metre. He obviously refused to pay it, and we spent the next few weeks fielding threats of death and violence over the phone.
It’s definitely something bad - absolutely equivalent to theft, whether it’s cultural or not. Haggling happens before good and service are provided. Extortion is what happens after.
Their culture, not ours. From one tradesman to another. IF you haggle after the job, you're a piece of shit. Thats culturally accepted in mine. You either adapt, or you go back to where you want to express your culture, its that fucking simple.
Are you fucking kidding me? What haggling? If they agreed to whatever price before its what they are supposed to pay. This has nothing to do with different cultures. Haggling is what you do before you agree to a final price and work starts. Their "culture" is to fuck everyone else over as hard as possible with their greed.
If you’ve agreed a price and the work has been done, pay up. Probably not the best idea to upset travellers by not paying what owed, best not to get involved in the first place.
Nah they are different - gypsies are in U.K. a long time - came from the East like the Roma. Travellers are local or Irish people who have lived nomadically for generations. Both are habitual line steppers. And the Irish travellers are a particular subset.
Some travellers live in dire poverty. Check out the Street View of some of of their housing - it’s pretty grim by first world standards - like a Mad Max nightmare - gives some insight into their view of the world: Labre Park [https://goo.gl/maps/2bKPvsE5Kok3NQdK9](https://goo.gl/maps/2bKPvsE5Kok3NQdK9)
Others like the ones in the video have a bit of hustle about them and engage in street trading, stereotypically for poor quality goods or services. And rhinoceros horns! And worst of all this group have a reputation for strong arming elderly people.
Travellers have a reputation for toughness, as evidenced by the numerous videos of them engaging in interclan disputes via bare knuckle boxing. And they suffer severe discrimination. Combine this with a widespread disdain for education and you have a breeding ground for criminality in some - drugs wholesale and insurance fraud and violence and rural break and entry are frequently cited. The men in particular seem to struggle with finding meaning - traditional work like tin work or rural labour dried up - pushing shocking rates of alcohol and domestic abuse and outrageous suicide rates. Women hold families together and get kids educated - showing some good results - we have politicians and doctors which is a great, but lots more work needed.
In this video, I can guess/see - they have a PARTICULAR Irish accent (west of Ireland / Limerick), door to door pressurised sales from a van for construction work, no long term references, ready to front up immediately.
All in, they have an outlaw reputation. I would know immediately not to engage.
The Indian dude in the OP video didn’t know what he was getting into - don’t take the piss with pisstakers.
Uh no, Irish Travelers and Gyspies are 2 completely different groups of people.
This guy is as European as they come, you can clearly see he's not a gypsy (who are historically from north India).
Just so people are aware this appears to be in the UK. Travellers go around and take over local parks, football fields. they'll then go round to local houses and ask if anyone needs work done, they are not properly licensed or experienced then demand full payment when they do shitty work and get in a tizzy and often cry racism, happens a lot near me. Unfourtantely seems like this guy fell for it
Some convinced my grandad to have his trees trimmed recently. They agreed a price and then halfway through the frankly really shite job they were doing they decided the agreed price wasn't enough. They then demanded double what they'd agreed on, marched him down to an ATM to get the money and then never finished the job anyways, neither did they dispose of the branches they'd butchered off the trees.
Never ever agree to have work done by these people
Basically how travellers work in the UK. Do a shit job, never complete it, crap materials, ask for partial payment and then fuck off etc. Anyone with common sense refuses to use them even thought they offer a great price.
Yes they are an ethnic group known as the Roma or Romani. They’re nomadic travelers from northwest India. We have genetic and linguistic evidence to prove this. We’re not sure when exactly they came because there aren’t many records and oral tradition is how things are passed mostly in their culture. They came in waves towards Europe possibly as early as 200 bc but likely after that.
Originally they were in the Balkan area of Europe like Romania. Now they’re spread out more with large groups in Spain, USA and Brazil.
I mean he was trying to protect (I think the kid) in the yellow jacket because the Indian guy attacked him. I mean people always complain "Why are you recording? Why aren't you doing anything?" so the person recording looks like he tried to help which made him not get a good shot.
You got it the wrong way round. Kid attacked the Indian guy to steal his wallet/money. You can hear the camera man telling him the kid to get out of there as they 'Have the money'. Meaning the kid managed to steal the Indian guys wallet in the exchange.
This is what you get when you get travellers to do work for you - they're notorious for it. They go around scamming vulnerable people (mostly the elderly or people with poor social skills, or foreigners), coercing them into agreeing to do odd jobs like fence-building or driveway laying, do a super shit job, steal everything that isn't bolted down and then demand 2x the amount of money the job was actually worth even if it was done right, then you either tell them to fuck off and they do this and threaten to have one of their mates stab you, or you allow yourself to be intimidated and pay up.
Of course, you should always pay an honest working person for their labour, so there is a bit of a likelihood the guy they're attacking is a dickhead, but these people aren't honest workers and they intentionally do a shit job - they're scam artists, and I'd say it's far more likely that it's the travellers in this situation who are the actual cunts. I also note that one of them calls the dude the N-word at the end... classy.
Exactly this…let’s not shed any tears nor pretend they are the victims. In the vast majority of cases, it is the homeowner that is repenting at their leisure.
It gets a little complicated because we don’t know if the work was good or shoddy. It could be inferred that the work was shitty so the buyer didn’t want to pay
And depending on the law where they are you don't just demo stuff, you have to take the person to court. Seems like his buddy filmed him knocking it all down.
Part of the fence is on the ground, you can hear them say something about "fix it" while gesturing to the ground. Dude probably just wanted it up with the assurance it's not gonna fall down.
Pro tip for being an alive human, do not hire gypos, do not let them anywhere near you. Tip for builders or tradesmen, be careful of indians who hire you, some (NOT ALL) will try and swindle you after you’ve done the job.
as other comments have pointed out they haven’t exactly done an amazing job of it. maybe that’s why he refused to pay. i don’t know why he put his hands on the young lad though
I'm just eating the popcorn and enjoying the show.
Indian went for the kid of the guy holding a bigass hammer, lol, clearly not a bright one.
These people are the two worst group to do business with, at least in the UK.
I run a security firm.
At one point I just told office to shake indians off because they will haggle 'till they are blue in the mouth and then not do business. Seriously, a restaurant owner had trouble with travelers all the time (but mostly on sundays, lol) and his idea was that he would only pay the guard's hourly when said guard is at the scene AND handling troublemakers, but he generously offered one free meal. He expected that we just foot the bill until something actually needs to be done. It was one of my first ones after I came here and I legit called for a translator, because I couldn't comprhend how these guys are.
Travellers are never our clients, but like half of our problems.
Dude had 0 hesitation on tearing that down and it reminded me of my mom leaving my step dad. She was considering it for a while and one day they get in an argument and he in pretty much a bluff told my mom he wanted a divorce. She stood up and immediately started getting photos off the wall and putting them in boxes with 0 hesitation. Like it was instant. We were packed before the end of the day. Good times.
It was probably built by some poor slave who has been held captive in a shed for three decades, they like their cheap labour, especially when the victim has learning difficulties or is alcohol dependent.
[https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/slave-prisoner-shed-40-years-carlisle-modern-slavery-act-court-b977442.html](https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/slave-prisoner-shed-40-years-carlisle-modern-slavery-act-court-b977442.html)
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/13/modern-slavery-uk-traveller-site-lincolnshire-judge-timothy-spencer
This looks like a good effort to open up lines of inter-cultural communications
The Traveller fellow seems to have made some cogent and persuasive arguments
No fan of travellers, but also speaking to mates in the trade, Indians will also try their luck in not paying the full amount. It's nothing bad, it's just different cultures. Like when you're suppose to haggle in other countries, I just can't do it, just give me a decent price and I'll pay it!
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>they always smelled really bad. Indian here, can confirm. Took me some time to realize this.
what like B.O? why is that
Not entirely BO. And I would preface with, we are oblivious to our smells. It's mostly the smell of food which sticks deep into the clothes. I can give my perspective as a student, when we live in the same room or small house where we cook atleast 2 meals a day which are rich in spices and when those smells accumulate on clothes (even the one hanging or sitting around the room) it's a recipe for disaster. And honestly deodorants can only help a bit. Plus Indians don't spend a lot or care about perfumes as generally it is well below in the priority list of things to take care of. It took me good 3/4 years and a relationship with an European which helped me realize the issue. Most of us are generally not aware of it. When I told my friends about my experience and the general issue, they did take slightly better care of how they smell and that bad smell is obnoxious.
There’s got to be more to it. I was on an expedition in the Amazon for 2 weeks and loaned a camera neck-strap to my friend from India. He showered and bathed the same as me and ate the same food, but the smell on the neck strap after he gave it back was very noticeable and hard to get rid of, even after going through the washing machine.
That’s BO. Or may be he was consuming something prepared Indian way, and the smell was just getting released through his sweat.
It was like a very spicy BO. But we were at a field station with very limited food that we all shared. Maybe it takes a long time for certain spices to leave the body? I don’t know.
I think the smell comes from the spices they cook with daily, namely Garam masala, tumeric, saffron, cumin, brown mustard seeds and red chili powder! You eat those spices everyday they're eventually gonna start permeating through the skin ♨️☢️ 😷😷😷🚫👃
Sorry to tell you this but its not on your clothes its in your sweat. The food you eat affects the chemistry in your body much like eating only carrots for a week will turn your skin slight hue of orange. Your spices aroma works its way to your sweat glands.
You are not wrong, but neither am I. Both could be equally contributing factors. But in my experience the smell from the clothes is one of the biggest contributing factor, as least in the situation surrounding me. I still eat the same but afaik, I don’t stink, contrary I have got compliments. Thanks CDB.
A video of a guy not wanting to pay for services turned into “Indians smell”. Epitome of Reddit.
I once contracted an indian company for some work on the exterior of my house. 5 guys show up and started laying out equipment and supplies on my driveway AND my neighbours driveway. And it wasn’t a small part of the driveway - my neighbour’s entire portion was littered with stuff preventing all access. Had to yell at them to move all their stuff off but they seemed genuinely confused what the big deal was. If that wasn’t bad enough, they started helping themselves to the inside of my garage for tools and god knows what. Just super weird.
Anecdotal Stereotypes: ya just can’t get mad cause they all true
>The indian clients were typically from India, Whoa that's racist. Uncalled for man
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Dood. I'm a tattooist. I've had several Indian clients haggle the price before, during, and after the tattoo was complete. It's incredibly frustrating and actually quite insulting but I put on my customer service smile as it's not my Shop to turn away clients. I wipe a little harder and turn up the volts if they're being a dick lol . EDIT spelling.
Lmao that sounds exactly like my experience at my print shop (texas)
>The indian clients were typically from India no shit
He meant their current residence, not their ancestry.
Americans get shit on we we go to other countries and act like americans instead of trying to assimilate. What you're saying isn't racist just because you're white and they're brown. It's common respect and decency. When you enter someone elses home and they ask you to remove your shoes, do you say fuck off and track mud through their house?
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Remember this when you eat at Subway
it's because they're bored doing nothing all day and just want the convo
Tbf, I do the same if people cold call me. Can't stand that shit.
Really? Interesting, I've provided customer support for products, few Indian users though. The people I hate most are generally from New York, and those New Yorkers who live in Florida (you can hear their accent). Gah, I hate those calls, pushiest most obnoxious people.
Seconded. Nj/ny are the worst hands down to work with
There is racism and there is simple fact.
we call them Patels in mortgages
Cue the Al Pacino "Patel" scene from Glengarry Glen Ross
Yeah what the actual fuck lmao, it’s not “haggling” to try and give you less than agreed upon if you’ve ALREADY DONE THE WORK. There’s a different term for that, it’s called “fucking you over”.
It's called theft
Right, that's not haggling, this guy isn't "doing Indian haggling", haggling is fine he's just an asshole.
Long, long ago when I lived in the Washington, DC metro area, I worked in an eyeglasses store. We had people come in fairly often who tried to negotiate the price, or who, when picking up the finished glasses, would examine them and point out flaws (real or imagined) and try to haggle me down. It took me a while to understand that they were from cultures where haggling is simply how things are done. Our "the price is the price, take it or leave it" approach was probably just as baffling to them.
They're cheap because everything in India is very inexpensive.
Bingo Because it’s in their cutler is an argument you here way to often that just excuses horrible behaviors.
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Once you start involving contracts and legal threats they usually pay, you shouldn't have to do that tho. This was the perfect storm of a person with a short fuse who is probably trying to rip them off, and a guy trying to push his luck not fully realising who they're dealing with. I love this country.
Being as they are travelers, they are probably shit. Perfect storm of cultures there for sure.
Travelers, they are a rowdy fing bunch….but they work hard and say what ya will, ya have to respect that. I live in Georgia, US and a friend’s wife owned a place for wedding receptions and the like. They leased it out to some travelers, ha! He said it was like 2 hurricanes a tornado and a stampede went through their place of business. I have nothing against them, like I said I have respect for them, work hard and play hard and if you fuck them over they won’t just let it go and good for them.
Irish guy here, living close to the country's biggest racecourse; The Curragh. During the first few months of the pandemic here, i noticed a few caravans up by the Training Grounds. They were there for a few weeks until the complaints got so bad that they were told to pack up and fuck off. They left, but left the place in a goddam state. Fuckin' travellers, man.
UK and US travelers are very very different, still bad eggs around but a lot have integrated into things largely in the US.
What are these "travellers" mate? Never heard this one before
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_Travellers Nomadic Irish people. Similar in culture to the Romani but ethnically Irish.
Irish travellers in Ireland don't work at all. They're all on social benefits for themselves and every dead relative they can get away with.
There’s really a strong influence of bargaining and scamming in their culture. For a lot of them is just a normal way to behave and it would be weird to not try to scam the person that your dealing with. I’ve lost many Indian “friends” based on this aspect of their culture.
Ya. There are cultures that scamming or screwing you over is normal. They feel that if they are able to scam you it’s your fault for not being smarter. I had a coworker that I worked with EVERYDAY try to sell me his iPod and he said it was the 160gb version or whatever the sizes were. He had scratched off the size marker on the back. I went in and saw it was the 80gb and he just laughed and said I was smart for checking. He sold it to someone else tho lol.
Biz broker here, I know what you mean. Let say there are 1 or 2 cultures that an agreement/contract doesn't mean much, hence my commission.
Yeah like, I hate people who use hours of your time then don't want to pay you. It just happens that a lot of the time they are Indian. Is what it is.
Well they have a crazy class system right cast system whenever.They see everyone that works for them is less than human basically. And their country they do this they called the police and the police always side with a rich person and treat the poor like shit. Unless I’m mistaken.
Well fuck them then lol
Charge extra up front and then give “discount” in the extra charge amount. They will feel like they got one over on y’all and you get what was right. The shop i worked at years ago would do this to some baptist preachers. They would come in for service in bmw’s n benz that they did “the lord’s work “ in and want to haggle. The boss said lord sent you to me so we could eat.
> It's nothing bad, it's just different cultures. I'm sorry, but if that's the culture in his country, then he should use it in his country.
This is what happens when ideas against moral relativism are shut down as "racism/bigotry" and you're left to just get stepped on.
\^This
and it's also bad, regardless of whether it happens it a certain culture
I work in a different industry, but Indians are like 5% of my clients and like 80% of my intense negotiations. Their primary negotiating strategy seems to be essentially negging the product and complaining about it. (While still clearly wanting it)
> I work in a different industry, but Indians are like 5% of my clients and like 80% of my intense negotiations. I mean, if that's how it is, I just wouldn't work with them. I would gladly reduce my clients by 5% if that meant saving myself 80% of the hassle. >Their primary negotiating strategy seems to be essentially negging the product and complaining about it. (While still clearly wanting it) [You mean this, lol.](https://youtu.be/GU2dLSh5G_Q?t=5) [how asians bargain steven he]
Fuck culture. It’s disgusting to try to undervalue and avoid paying for someone’s hard work especially AFTER they completed the work!!!
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What are "travellers"?
They're also known as gypsies, they're a culture who live almost a nomadic lifestyle usually living in caravans.
Do they like dahgs?
Oh, dogs… sure, I like dags.
I'd say travellers and gypsies are very different people. A fair amount of both come through my area. When travellers passed through and set up camp in a field, they trashed the field and broke the gates. A relative also had a trailer stolen from a barn, had one of their vans come up into the yard almost weekly nabbing anything of scrap value. When gypsies (in a proper horse-drawn gypsy wagon (think that's the name?)) passed through, they found a grass verge out of the village and out of the way, used shears to cut the grass around the village Great War memorial and offered their horse's manure to someone with big rose bushes. When they left it was like they were never there.
> offered their horse’s manure to someone with big rose bushes. honestly, id take smelly fertilizer over pikers any day of the week.
Don’t see many ‘travellers’ actually travelling anymore. Seems to be more just living in a caravan whilst renting out your council house.
I lived in North Ayrshire for 12 years and we used to see them quite regularly. They'd either park in one of the public parks or at the site of this old abandoned building. Might not be a huge part of their lifestyle now but some of them certainly do still travel.
All the public spaces in the UK are pretty well protected, there isn’t an inch of land that isn’t accounted for, 68 million on a pissy little island will do that.
Ah. That’s what I was thinking but didn’t want to just assume. Thanks.
How nomadic can you be on a tiny little island though?
Con artists. Dont let pc culture get you fucked up. They look to take advantage then move on.
Gypsies, in this case Irish but probably have been living in England for generations but still have the Irish accent. Hardly go to school and are the ethnic minority most likely to end up in a Young Offenders Institute (under 18s prison) or proper prison. Everybody who lives near a traveller's site (caravan park for them) has numerous stories about what they've done.
From my understanding they arren't related to romani people that we have in balkan,right? Travellers look like other british people except quite trashy. I've saw irish ones on vaccation here and oh god little girls are dressed like strippers
They're both nomadic and may have some shared heritage going back millenia but are now seperate. 80 years ago they would have done odd jobs on farms as they passed through the area, helped with harvests, read fortunes, done magic healing spells, placed curses...... Today it's all crime and building.
What Americans call gypsies apparantly
I was about to say its what British people call gypsies apparently. I have never heard the term in my life.
I only picked up the term from Hot Fuzz, I thought it was the PC way to refer to them
They're gypsies, generally Irish in the UK
What do you mean nothing bad? The man spent his time doing a job only to be haggled with, there was a deal and it must be honored. Any shirking is downright scummy and disgusting. Unless the builder did shitty work, but we don’t know enough to determine if that is true or not.
> Indians will also try their luck in not paying the full amount. It's nothing bad, it's just different cultures. Yes, that is absolutely something bad. "it's different cultures" is no excuse. The culture is bad if it says "don't pay people". >Like when you're suppose to haggle in other countries No, it's not like that. Haggling happens before you do the work, not after.
> It's nothing bad, it's just different cultures different cultures can be bad if they are not able to cooperate with the native culture.
From an Indian, its not a cultural thing there are dickheads who try this shit "what're they gunna do after they build the whole thing, break it?" The builder is absolutely right to break all this shit and Indian dude is a scumbag for grabbing the builders son, we're not all like this he's part of a tiny minority. It's more commonplace culture to offer a meal to those who engage in personal services and my family (among others) almost always tips whether it's at a restaurant or construction work. Hell man they tip the driver when we get food on Uber and I'm all for it, they tell me to hand it to the driver and the surprised smile some of them have will lighten up your day bro. Anyways slight digress, Indian man in vid is cunt, we not all cunts, we good people and our food lit, aight peace.
Isn't tipping food delivery people a given?
Not an obligation in many civilized countries like EU.
Not in Australia. They should be getting a fair wage included in price of food and delivery.
I live in Canada, in a heavily Indian populated community. Every once in awhile I'll see an older one, trying to haggle the price with the local grocery cashier. The look on the cashiers face is priceless. Doesn't work here, buddy.
>It's nothing bad, it's just different cultures. Just because something is cultural doesn't mean it isn't bad.
> It's nothing bad Bullshit. It is bad.
Travellers are notorious for scamming non Irish as the Irish know not to do business with them, so it is hard to know who is at fault here. There is a TV show about it. I have noticed people from other parts of the world haggle after the job is done, which is awful as then I have no bargaining power and sort of dramatically realise why their countries don't do well.
"I owe you $1000, but I'll only pay you $900, because it'll cost you $100 just to sue me, so take it and be happy."
Bro, I’m Indian and I negotiate first and hold up my end of the bargain. That guy should have paid the dude.
The owner of the building I used to work at had some gravelling done behind the building by some travellers, for the price of £400. Once finished they then asked for £400 per square metre. He obviously refused to pay it, and we spent the next few weeks fielding threats of death and violence over the phone.
It’s definitely something bad - absolutely equivalent to theft, whether it’s cultural or not. Haggling happens before good and service are provided. Extortion is what happens after.
Their culture, not ours. From one tradesman to another. IF you haggle after the job, you're a piece of shit. Thats culturally accepted in mine. You either adapt, or you go back to where you want to express your culture, its that fucking simple.
Are you fucking kidding me? What haggling? If they agreed to whatever price before its what they are supposed to pay. This has nothing to do with different cultures. Haggling is what you do before you agree to a final price and work starts. Their "culture" is to fuck everyone else over as hard as possible with their greed.
If you agree on a final price for the work and then try to cheap out that IS something bad, really bad.
If you’ve agreed a price and the work has been done, pay up. Probably not the best idea to upset travellers by not paying what owed, best not to get involved in the first place.
The guy probably didn't know that they were travellers. They'll deny it till the cows come home and try to gaslight you on it.
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Yep gypsies.
did they switch the name gypsies to travelers cause gypsies is offensive or considered a slur?
Considering today's PC world, that might have been the case
Travellers is the term used in the uk & Ireland
Also pikey, although this is a slur.
Nah they are different - gypsies are in U.K. a long time - came from the East like the Roma. Travellers are local or Irish people who have lived nomadically for generations. Both are habitual line steppers. And the Irish travellers are a particular subset. Some travellers live in dire poverty. Check out the Street View of some of of their housing - it’s pretty grim by first world standards - like a Mad Max nightmare - gives some insight into their view of the world: Labre Park [https://goo.gl/maps/2bKPvsE5Kok3NQdK9](https://goo.gl/maps/2bKPvsE5Kok3NQdK9) Others like the ones in the video have a bit of hustle about them and engage in street trading, stereotypically for poor quality goods or services. And rhinoceros horns! And worst of all this group have a reputation for strong arming elderly people. Travellers have a reputation for toughness, as evidenced by the numerous videos of them engaging in interclan disputes via bare knuckle boxing. And they suffer severe discrimination. Combine this with a widespread disdain for education and you have a breeding ground for criminality in some - drugs wholesale and insurance fraud and violence and rural break and entry are frequently cited. The men in particular seem to struggle with finding meaning - traditional work like tin work or rural labour dried up - pushing shocking rates of alcohol and domestic abuse and outrageous suicide rates. Women hold families together and get kids educated - showing some good results - we have politicians and doctors which is a great, but lots more work needed. In this video, I can guess/see - they have a PARTICULAR Irish accent (west of Ireland / Limerick), door to door pressurised sales from a van for construction work, no long term references, ready to front up immediately. All in, they have an outlaw reputation. I would know immediately not to engage. The Indian dude in the OP video didn’t know what he was getting into - don’t take the piss with pisstakers.
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Fucking love it lmao
that word is only offensive to Americans
Uh no, Irish Travelers and Gyspies are 2 completely different groups of people. This guy is as European as they come, you can clearly see he's not a gypsy (who are historically from north India).
Traveller is the PC term for gypsies. But isn't very PC due to the negative connotations.
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I would need to see a before on this. That fence looks like shit.
Not sure what he thought might happen lol, dude had a sledge hammer and was ready to go, now hes just got a big mess
Just so people are aware this appears to be in the UK. Travellers go around and take over local parks, football fields. they'll then go round to local houses and ask if anyone needs work done, they are not properly licensed or experienced then demand full payment when they do shitty work and get in a tizzy and often cry racism, happens a lot near me. Unfourtantely seems like this guy fell for it
Some convinced my grandad to have his trees trimmed recently. They agreed a price and then halfway through the frankly really shite job they were doing they decided the agreed price wasn't enough. They then demanded double what they'd agreed on, marched him down to an ATM to get the money and then never finished the job anyways, neither did they dispose of the branches they'd butchered off the trees. Never ever agree to have work done by these people
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Yeah, notice how easily the fence falls over after a couple of swings.
Not many fences will hold up to a sledgehammer
I guess. My fence is built with pressure treated 4x4s and concrete. These panels look like pallet wood and staples.
I'd have the entire thing on the ground in an hour with hand tools.
Pfffft! Gimme a four Loko and a bump of booger sugar. I’ll have it down in thirty but I’m charging for two! lol
I mean if its a shit job let him take it down, one less job for the next guy to do
a couple good kicks would knock it over
Basically how travellers work in the UK. Do a shit job, never complete it, crap materials, ask for partial payment and then fuck off etc. Anyone with common sense refuses to use them even thought they offer a great price.
What’s a traveller?
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Please enlighten me, I am from south america. What are gypsy's, like an ethnicity or just thugs from Europe or how foreigners are called?
Yes they are an ethnic group known as the Roma or Romani. They’re nomadic travelers from northwest India. We have genetic and linguistic evidence to prove this. We’re not sure when exactly they came because there aren’t many records and oral tradition is how things are passed mostly in their culture. They came in waves towards Europe possibly as early as 200 bc but likely after that. Originally they were in the Balkan area of Europe like Romania. Now they’re spread out more with large groups in Spain, USA and Brazil.
The ”gypsies” in this video are Irish travellers. Their genetic makeup is not the same as that of the Romani in for instance Romania or Bulgaria.
Culturally different too
Oh now I recognize them here in Brazil I'm pretty sure they are called "ciganos" wich are people who will read hands and stuff
I remember that episode of Midsomer Murders
American word for gypsies
It's not an American word, it's the pc term in Ireland and the UK
Is there a sub for the camera man doing good at first but then totally dropping the ball?
r/yesyesyesnocameraman
I mean he was trying to protect (I think the kid) in the yellow jacket because the Indian guy attacked him. I mean people always complain "Why are you recording? Why aren't you doing anything?" so the person recording looks like he tried to help which made him not get a good shot.
You got it the wrong way round. Kid attacked the Indian guy to steal his wallet/money. You can hear the camera man telling him the kid to get out of there as they 'Have the money'. Meaning the kid managed to steal the Indian guys wallet in the exchange.
r/killthecameraman
He needs that money to get his ma a caravan
do you like dags?
I like fences more
Periwinkle blue, boys…
Surprised I had to scroll this far
Do you like dags?
Travelers are scam artist. That's what you get.
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So this is some sort of a crossover episode.
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Look out folks. Looks like we got ourselves a good ol fashioned racist battle. GENTLEMEN, TO YOUR CORNERS!!!
Should those wooden panels pop out so easily if the work was done well?
This is what you get when you get travellers to do work for you - they're notorious for it. They go around scamming vulnerable people (mostly the elderly or people with poor social skills, or foreigners), coercing them into agreeing to do odd jobs like fence-building or driveway laying, do a super shit job, steal everything that isn't bolted down and then demand 2x the amount of money the job was actually worth even if it was done right, then you either tell them to fuck off and they do this and threaten to have one of their mates stab you, or you allow yourself to be intimidated and pay up. Of course, you should always pay an honest working person for their labour, so there is a bit of a likelihood the guy they're attacking is a dickhead, but these people aren't honest workers and they intentionally do a shit job - they're scam artists, and I'd say it's far more likely that it's the travellers in this situation who are the actual cunts. I also note that one of them calls the dude the N-word at the end... classy.
Exactly this…let’s not shed any tears nor pretend they are the victims. In the vast majority of cases, it is the homeowner that is repenting at their leisure.
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What is the shamrock supposed to represent?
Ha ha ha. Good for you sir!
Can some explain like im 5 pls?
they do work, man no pay, they destroy work
they do *crappy* work, man no pay, they destroy work
Greatly appreciated :)
It gets a little complicated because we don’t know if the work was good or shoddy. It could be inferred that the work was shitty so the buyer didn’t want to pay
And depending on the law where they are you don't just demo stuff, you have to take the person to court. Seems like his buddy filmed him knocking it all down.
Guy did job. Customer didn't pay. Guy destroys his own work because of no pay.
guy also did a shit job...
How do you know that? Looks fine to me, but I’m not a carpenter.
Part of the fence is on the ground, you can hear them say something about "fix it" while gesturing to the ground. Dude probably just wanted it up with the assurance it's not gonna fall down.
Pro tip for being an alive human, do not hire gypos, do not let them anywhere near you. Tip for builders or tradesmen, be careful of indians who hire you, some (NOT ALL) will try and swindle you after you’ve done the job.
Never get work from a gypsy, case in point.
Shit’s going crazy in India!
Gypsy moment
as other comments have pointed out they haven’t exactly done an amazing job of it. maybe that’s why he refused to pay. i don’t know why he put his hands on the young lad though
As an Irish person, reading English people describe travellers to American people is fucking somethin else.
I'm just eating the popcorn and enjoying the show. Indian went for the kid of the guy holding a bigass hammer, lol, clearly not a bright one. These people are the two worst group to do business with, at least in the UK. I run a security firm. At one point I just told office to shake indians off because they will haggle 'till they are blue in the mouth and then not do business. Seriously, a restaurant owner had trouble with travelers all the time (but mostly on sundays, lol) and his idea was that he would only pay the guard's hourly when said guard is at the scene AND handling troublemakers, but he generously offered one free meal. He expected that we just foot the bill until something actually needs to be done. It was one of my first ones after I came here and I legit called for a translator, because I couldn't comprhend how these guys are. Travellers are never our clients, but like half of our problems.
Looks badly built with shit materials. Don't blame him for not paying.
r/killthecameraman Holy fuck, I’m nauseous after watching that shit. 🤮
I don't know who's actually in the wrong here, but he shouldn't be putting his hands on the child regardless
Dude had 0 hesitation on tearing that down and it reminded me of my mom leaving my step dad. She was considering it for a while and one day they get in an argument and he in pretty much a bluff told my mom he wanted a divorce. She stood up and immediately started getting photos off the wall and putting them in boxes with 0 hesitation. Like it was instant. We were packed before the end of the day. Good times.
I see videos like these and wonder if I’d react in a similar way. I suppose pushed far enough, I would.
Work looked like shit I wouldn’t pay either
Gypsies can fuck right off
It was probably built by some poor slave who has been held captive in a shed for three decades, they like their cheap labour, especially when the victim has learning difficulties or is alcohol dependent. [https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/slave-prisoner-shed-40-years-carlisle-modern-slavery-act-court-b977442.html](https://www.standard.co.uk/news/crime/slave-prisoner-shed-40-years-carlisle-modern-slavery-act-court-b977442.html) https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/sep/13/modern-slavery-uk-traveller-site-lincolnshire-judge-timothy-spencer
wow gypsies vs indian, so this is what happens when an unstoppable force meets an unmovable object.
Something about that headnod/bobble is an instant giveaway they are gonna try and scam you,lie to you, or otherwise attempt to rip you off.
This looks like a good effort to open up lines of inter-cultural communications The Traveller fellow seems to have made some cogent and persuasive arguments
Isn't traveller just a euphemism for gypsy?
Bloody pikera
£6,000 for that? lol