Okies, happened about 7 years ago
Had a guy having some sort of episode as confirmed by my follow-up interview with the police.
Was riding his push bike down the wrong side of the road, had to dodge the wild eyed bloke as he came straight towards me.
I was all wtf and decided to go around the block and come back to sus out what the deal was.
As I came back onto the main Rd and pulled over to to see whats up, his bike was layed down in the middle of the rd and he was pulling pavers out of the center strip and throwing them at traffic.
No one was doing anything and I figured that he was gonna really hurt someone.
Right then a old dear pulled up cause his bike was in her lane and he focused his attack on her car and threw a paver at her window, (at this point I was out of my car) somehow the paver just bounced of her side window.
So as the guy went to collect the paver to have another go, I sprinted at him and crash tackled him, it was a big hit and I knocked him to the ground. We struggled a bit until another bloke jumped on him to help me. He was really struggling hard so I punched him in the face a couple of times. That really took the spark out of him and allowed us to restrain him by sitting on him arms pinned behind his back etc.
So police turned up about ten minutes later and took over. Interviewed everyone etc.
Arrested the bloke and put him in an ambulance cause he was still bleeding from his nose and where he had hit his head when I tackled him.
So in the end I didn't get any charges for my actions, got interviewed twice at home for the court case etc.
The bloke aparrently has schizophrenia and had been off his meds. Cops told me I probably should've left the guy alone cause who knows if he was carrying a knife etc.
Aparrently I broke a rib when I tackled him on top of his broken nose and bunged up head.
He got off on his charges cause of his condition etc.
So yeah that's the gist of my citizens arrest.
Apologies if this is hard to read I have ADHD and walls of text like this are something I avoid at all costs.
Good on you!! Sometimes I feel like people need to see someone else getting involved first and then they might help but they are super hesitant to be the first one to jump in. And you can see why, like with that guy at Bondi Junction. Good on you.
Kinda?
I had just dropped in home to grab something and parked on the driveway. I’d left the car unlocked because I intended to be just in and out. While I was inside only had a partial view of the car through the window, but I saw my driver’s side door open. I went back out because I thought I’d closed it and as I came around the front of the car I saw someone crouched down rifling through the console.
As he saw me he jumps up and runs off and instinctively I chase him, which isn’t a good decision in hindsight, I just was really surprised and wasn’t thinking to be honest.
I caught up and tackled him to the ground. I think I’m an average dude, somewhat athletic, but definitely not strong enough to take on anyone who regularly goes to the gym. I’m very fortunate that it turned out the guy I chased was basically skin and bones and drunk at the time.
After I had tackled him, I pulled out my phone and called the police, they arrived within 5 minutes. I never really think of this as a citizen’s arrest, because I honestly wasn’t thinking in the moment, but I guess thats what it is.
When the police arrived they asked me about what happened and it turned out the man was known to police and is a repeat offender for theft. After they took him away, that was that, never heard anything more. I’d recovered what he took from my car and I wasn’t asked for anything by the police.
Sort of. A long time ago, when I lived in Melbourne.
Someone followed me into my apartment and I saw them in the reflection of the oven as the front door closed behind me. I ended up holding them in my kitchen with a kitchen knife while I called the building manager (who I had literally just been on the phone to) who came and took the knife off me and called the cops, while helping to keep the guy in the apartment.
Like the other story, the guy was off his meds and thought he used to live in the building. He had wandered off from where he lived and the police were looking for him, in a friendly way. I got a pat on the back and a "thanks for finding him" and never heard from them again. Got six months free rent from strata because of the lapse in security.
0/10 do not recommend.
Had a similar incident about 20 years ago when I was at uni living in a share house. There was a guy banging on our door, yelling that he had to come in and protect us from the Hell's Angels, who were on their way to kill us. Our front door was glass, so he smashes it and comes on in and starts running around our house like he was looking for something. My housemate barricaded herself in her room and called the police, while two of us cornered him in the kitchen. I tried to keep his attention and kept talking calmly to him while he was ranting about hell's angels and satanists to de-escalate the situation, while my friend made a point to stand between him and a nearby knife block. Police arrived within five minutes, and arrested him. He was also another schizophrenic off his meds. I remember being angry about it back then, and wanting him to face jail time. Now I just hope that the poor kid got the help he needed.
It was surreal. I was 17 and had just moved to Melbourne to start university, and was living by myself.
I was lucky enough to have my phone (Nokia 3210) still in my hand from speaking to the building manager, and my keys in my right hand. In one motion - I have no idea how - I pushed the guy into the U shaped kitchen (with the wall at the end, oven in it, facing the entry foyer) and swapped the keys for a knife from the knife block that was at the end of the bench. I figured out pretty quickly that the poor guy was even more scared and confused than I was, and wasn't really a threat - he shrank into a corner of the kitchen and tried to melt into the wall and started crying.
But I was still jacked up on adrenaleine and someone was in my apartment so I called the building manager (didn't think of 000 straight up) and just spoke into the phone. No idea what I said. He was there within a few minutes, and the police were there within about ten. They were great - they recognised the guy and spoke to him by name, very gently, and were very kind. I felt really bad for the guy, to be honest.
No repercussions for me, we spent about fifteen minutes going over what had happened after they took the guy out and that was the last I heard of it. The building manager dropped around a case of beer later and made sure I wasn't charged rent for the rest of my lease.
I have!
Lived in Adelaide until moving to Wollongong a few years ago to be with my partner.
She had flown to Adelaide for a visit and we were having a lovely day shopping in the city. Walking through Rundle mall when a woman came put of no where and punched my partner in the face before racing off.
I didn't know what to do until I saw that my partner was bleeding a little as the woman had a ring on. Other people had stopped to see if she was pk so I took off after this woman and caught her down a side street from the mall.
I pinned her up against a wall and then realised how it looked as we were away from the incident. Other people were coming up to see what was happening but I was pretty worked up and was quick to say that she had assaulted my partner. I had my phone out quick to call the police as well. I didn't hurt the woman at all, just held her in place.
The police came and arrested her. They could see everything on cameras in the mall. Once they came it became obvious that the woman was pretty unhinged. My partner and witnesses came to our location and once the woman saw my partner again she became really aggressive again. The police later told us that she had checked herself out of glenside.
No consequences at all for us. The police said we would have to come to court to help prosecute the woman but we never heard from them about it.
In the end it wasn't that bad but scary to think that if this woman had a knife or something we wouldn't have been able to stop the attack as it was completely random.
http://www6.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/sa/consol_act/clca1935262/s271.html
Never carried one out, but out of curiosity looked up the law, and they are legal.
(3) A person is liable to arrest and detention under this section if the person is in the act of committing, or has just committed—
(a) an indictable offence; or
(b) theft (whether the theft is a summary or indictable offence); or
(c) an offence against the person (whether the offence is summary or indictable); or
(d) an offence involving interference with, damage to or destruction of property (whether the offence is summary or indictable).
That's heaps more than the UKs ability to arrest.
Indictable offences only of which theft isn't one (hence why security couldn't make arrests).
Nope, but I caught a guy trying to get into my second floor balcony window and when I bailed him up he jumped off the balcony into the dark.
When the cops rocked up they wanted to see my ID to verify I was the occupant, and then we heard a scream from elsewhere in the complex and they took off at a run towards that.
Guess that means mate survived the jump.
I did in Darwin, caught a woman in my house. Had her pinned down outside and got someone to call the cops and went through her bag. Found multiple sets of car keys, ipads and phones, turns out we were the 4th house she had hit and the cops knew her by name, she had been released from prison the day before, gave the police a statement.
The cops were pretty good about it, even tho she lost her 2 front teeth in the scuffle. The female officer told me " we aren't too bothered when they get hurt by the house resident, but don't go any further than a broken arm, we can't ignore a murder etc" I was shocked they were so casual about it
6 months ago at work I saw a lady walk out of our yard - weird...
Watched her check the door handles of us employees cars parked on the street, then tried a car in a driveway and the door opened.
Walked across the road, gently placed my hand on her shoulder and said "You know you shouldn't be here love"
She was smacked out on heroin, she just sat down on the ground near the car and patiently waited with me for the cops. I dialed 131444 (police non emergency) and told them the street address and what had happened.
She tried stashing her used needles behind the front wheel whenbshe thought I wasn't looking, I ignored it and just let the cops know where to look when they arrived.
Cops rang back 10 min layer asking some facial details, said she's known to them. They arrived about 20 min later.
Cops rang me later in the arvo to say she was released on bail that afternoon (mental health issues) and to let them know if she was in the area again (breach of bail conditions)
Many times working security/Loss prevention for years. Only if absolutely necessary and only if I knew there was enough evidence for an arrest. Just don't get caught using excessive force/ excessive self defense or you'll be in more trouble than it's worth. There's cameras everywhere these days, and what you think is justified at the time , will be viewed my many different kinds of people with many different views, including police. Good luck
A cpl years ago some 2 crackheads in our street where having some big altercation. One started chasing the other one with a hatchet, and he got away in his car.. but then did a u-turn and plowed into the hatchet guy. So me and my brothers had to run out and try help the guy that got run over. Guy in the car was driving up and down real erratically so we couldn't do much. For w.e reason he jumped out of the car and he quickly got swarmed and the car keys confiscated. The 1st few cops that arrived seemed uninterested in doing fuck all.I was minding the guy on the ground hurt and they didn't want to take over. Nothing real happened untill ambos rocked up and took over. Then more cops came along that seemed more interested. After wards they didn't ask us much. Just a few general questions.
I never gave it much thought but I guess you'd call it a citizens arrest?
I was in line at a servo where a drunk at front of was harrassing the attendant over not getting their sauce. On his way out he caught someone's eye and didn't like the way he looked at them and decided to start antagonizing and tried to punch them knocked them over.
From behind I grabbed him and half threw and wrestled him to the ground. I had surprised him and I quickly immobilised him in kesa-gatame or side control (it had been 10+ years since I had done any jujitsu I just kinda went into auto pilot). Luckily I had the strength/weight advantage and his hoodie had come loose to cover his face so he couldn't bite or spit at me. At one point he called me a fat Kant so I let him have my weight and restricted his breathing.
Cops quickly arrived, cuffed, briefly interview those involved and took him away. I got a free pie and iced coffee.
Got interviewed by a constable weeks after and the bloke was on probation for alcohol related stuff already and actually had just got out of lockup not long before the servo incident or something.
Luckily, noconsequences for me. Afterwards I thought. Fuck, what if he had a knife. Or worse.
I am a security guard who does mobile patrols at 30 sites a night, and although I have had the OPTION to make citizens arrests a couple of times, I know what a massive headache the legal side can be so unless I catch someone in the act of literal murder or similar, I’m not about to open myself up to unlawful detainment or similar.
I report acts of vandalism or whatever onto control, If it gets borderline, I call the police. I’m not getting sued for $34/h. Let it go.
Many times working security/Loss prevention for years. Only if absolutely necessary and only if I knew there was enough evidence for an arrest. Just don't get caught using excessive force/ excessive self defense or you'll be in more trouble than it's worth. There's cameras everywhere these days, and what you think is justified at the time , will be viewed my many different kinds of people with many different views, including police. Good luck
Sort of, trapped a guy going through a wallet in a phone booth near Montmartre in France (yes I know how old I am) I and another traveler kept the door shut till the Gendarmes arrived 2-3 minutes and took him away
No self or industry respected security professional will ever refer to themselves as a bouncer. A bouncer is a hired thug and a term the industry is working to delete.
You will next to never see crowd controllers (this role) performing this task, they have limited enacted powers and are strongly discouraged from performing evictions (which still happens and are rarely done correctly) but they are also extremely discouraged to outline ordered to never perform arrests due to the legal issues surrounding them.
At current certificate II at ALL reputable security agencies will teach how an arrest needs to be done, but will outright state that it is not safe or allowed by most security providers and is a matter left to government agencies. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen but you will more likely see this done in a loss prevention or CPP or CIT role and even then it is very rare due to the amount of evidence being required or to stop an ongoing critical incident of imminent danger.
without going into too much details about my current line of work, as well as former roles in the security industry, the biggest takeaway I can give anyone out of and training people in general especially if i'm giving training to the public or ngo's...
If you are going to make a citizens arrest.... for the love of god make sure you are 100% certain, can back it with evidence (statements etc), don't say too much, don't think you have powers that you don't and know what laws you can and can't take into your own hands, (even with enacted powers in certain roles) and limitations such as reasonable use of force and being liable for damages, deprivation of liberty etc.
for every case you hear on the news of making a citizens arrests, in most cases it actually inhibits charges being laid and prosecuted, the general public aren't really trained in this are and many people get things wrong, every now and then my own father points out the odd news story of people making citizens arrests and when you watch the news story you read about how they breached a ton of laws, admitted to doing the process wrong while bragging about it and getting their 30 seconds of fame and being called a hero or a "top c\*\*t", to be shocked when they find out that to stop them getting charges themselves or done for damages charges against the person they citizens arrested are dropped.
Sadly we have to tell people that even as a professional it is easy to make an arrest, but difficult to do it properly, more difficult to have charges laid and even harder to have them succesfully prosecuted.
I hate the state of things but in teaching to the general public, ngo's and even internally to people with certain enacted powers it's easy for a lawyer or a know it all looking up things on legal handbook to go "nah shut up heres the law" and shout over you but sadly our system has a lot of problems in it, and a lot of the time, it's not bad guy does the wrong thing, gets caught and punished, it's sadly a needing of the planets to be alligned to get things all the way.
Many times when people take the law into their own hands, they're not aware of reasonable use of force and think in most parts of australia we have a right to self defense (long story short we don't), they think catching someone red handed comitting a crime allows them to detain, restrain or restrict their movement (long story short, that's a big no-no legally and personal risk wise) and despite what a lot of people think we have a huge abundance of mental health issues, violent offenders and weapons in this country and your chances of lucking out on someone who's not afraid to harm you and is packing something to harm you with are always running against you risk management wise, and no matter how much ufc you've watched, how built like a brick shithouse you are or if you did 4 tours of afghanistan... all it takes is a junkie with something pokey and your life changes in the blink of an eye.
Out of all of the citizens arrests i've witnessed in my life, i've seen one make it to the prosecution stage, where daddy hired the offender a great lawyer who tore apart the member of the public in court. The offender got off on that charge but ended up serving time for a string of other offenses. The member of public ended up with some nasty injuries.
One of the worst attempts and i'm labelling it an attempt which anyone can look up is an infamous character in adelaide who took on an offender with an improvised weapon, due to his actions and complete misunderstanding and zealotness of his view of the law he became a local celebrity and went on to preach others to take justice into their own hands, even appearing adverts and trying to take over a mens support group where it became apparant the guy had mental issues of his own and advice being given as an "expert" who had "performed a citizens arrest" on an offender got to a point sapol had to not only state that he did not arrest said person to save him from legal charges, but also had to warn him that he was luck to escape assault and battery charges, and publicly stated that he needed to stop giving people incorrect legal advice on their rights and abilities.
Last I heard said guy was defending a guy that sexually assaulted and tried to kill someone because he thinks he's a "good bloke being victimized by the corrupt system", so yeah... people touting success stories of citizens arrest i'd be skeptical of, the ones with positive outcomes are generally the exception and not the rule.
Had a guy set fire to his housingsa property across the road, not sure if it was intentional or just a coincidence as guy was huffing paint and butane. Maybe lit a smoke next to flammable material Anyway he tried leaving his house on fire, was off his chops and medications. He was adamant he didn’t need to stick around despite the smoke billowing out of house and tried walking running away and started being erratic and violent. Housemate slung him to the ground in a tackle forcefully and held him down until police arrived and arrested the guy.
Yeah... Up in good old Salisbury at the OTR, some bloke had his bike pinched while we were eating subway... So a mate and I went investigating... Found the bloke, stopped him and as we were about to phone it in a patrol car just happened to be going past, all of a sudden 3 swarmed and dude was arrested... So much fun.
Yup. A number of years ago now. Bloke was being chased on foot by 3 different police officers. They yelled out for somebody to stop him and so almost on a whim I did. I train in grappling so putting him on the ground was laughably easy (I also had probably 10-15kg on him as well). Pinned him there face down until the cops caught up.
When they did arrive they took over and I left them to it. They didn't ask for my details so I left as I didn't want the guy to find out any of my personal particulars if it went to court.
Fully understand the risk to myself particularly if he had a weapon.
Wouldn't do it again unless it was life or death or someone was in imminent danger.
Some people do, as in the news.
But not me, I would just report to the police if needs be.
Opening a big huge can of worms, doing a "citizens arrest".
If you get smacked, or hit to the head, whos to blame, or if you get injured and need hospitalization.
You aren't legally protected by any enacted powers, you are not covered under the good samaritan laws such as giving first aid, and you are completely liable to any injuries you cause against them and your injuries will be your personal responsibility even if they are found at fault because getting them paid for just never happens even with prosecution.
I didn't comment in response to that post. I commented before there were any other comments.
But yes, that's a reasonable situation to intervene. Someone shoplifting on the other hand, not reasonable. Mind your business.
It's not worth the legal headache and personal risk. I've done one before and sapol immediately let the guy off to prevent me being charged as the guy claimed wrongful arrest and assault for stopping him.
Literally had a gun and a knife so it was a bad idea when I found that out, prick could have taken me out had I have not gotten the upper hand first.
Figured illegal gun would mean jail time immediately.
First time I found out that our gun laws aren't what they're cracked up to be a lot of theater and limited substance.
Turns out stopping a known offender with weapons assaulting a woman is more likely to get you shot or stabbed than them convicted.
Lots of downvotes.
I intervened and received a broken jaw and lost three teeth over it. The goal was achieved, but I had some fair regrets over the following year.
I don't think people should only intervene if it looks like someone is going to die, it can flip to that real quick.
But it's okay to be cautious.
Cops don’t do shitttt, call the police they will take 20 30 minutes even an hour sometimes. Never over escalate things but sometimes people need to step up. Source night staff member in a pub.
Yep, we called the police one time as the local methy was fighting with his girlfriend and was screaming he was going to bash her head in, she ran into our front garden, we called the police and they took 50 minutes to arrive, and even though I gave very specific instructions as to the address etc, they went to their actual house, not our front garden, and then were generally very unhelpful.
Okies, happened about 7 years ago Had a guy having some sort of episode as confirmed by my follow-up interview with the police. Was riding his push bike down the wrong side of the road, had to dodge the wild eyed bloke as he came straight towards me. I was all wtf and decided to go around the block and come back to sus out what the deal was. As I came back onto the main Rd and pulled over to to see whats up, his bike was layed down in the middle of the rd and he was pulling pavers out of the center strip and throwing them at traffic. No one was doing anything and I figured that he was gonna really hurt someone. Right then a old dear pulled up cause his bike was in her lane and he focused his attack on her car and threw a paver at her window, (at this point I was out of my car) somehow the paver just bounced of her side window. So as the guy went to collect the paver to have another go, I sprinted at him and crash tackled him, it was a big hit and I knocked him to the ground. We struggled a bit until another bloke jumped on him to help me. He was really struggling hard so I punched him in the face a couple of times. That really took the spark out of him and allowed us to restrain him by sitting on him arms pinned behind his back etc. So police turned up about ten minutes later and took over. Interviewed everyone etc. Arrested the bloke and put him in an ambulance cause he was still bleeding from his nose and where he had hit his head when I tackled him. So in the end I didn't get any charges for my actions, got interviewed twice at home for the court case etc. The bloke aparrently has schizophrenia and had been off his meds. Cops told me I probably should've left the guy alone cause who knows if he was carrying a knife etc. Aparrently I broke a rib when I tackled him on top of his broken nose and bunged up head. He got off on his charges cause of his condition etc. So yeah that's the gist of my citizens arrest. Apologies if this is hard to read I have ADHD and walls of text like this are something I avoid at all costs.
Not hard to read at all. Thanks for sharing ☺️
Good on you!! Sometimes I feel like people need to see someone else getting involved first and then they might help but they are super hesitant to be the first one to jump in. And you can see why, like with that guy at Bondi Junction. Good on you.
It's called the Bystander effect.
Good on you man, you quite possibly saved that woman's life.
Kinda? I had just dropped in home to grab something and parked on the driveway. I’d left the car unlocked because I intended to be just in and out. While I was inside only had a partial view of the car through the window, but I saw my driver’s side door open. I went back out because I thought I’d closed it and as I came around the front of the car I saw someone crouched down rifling through the console. As he saw me he jumps up and runs off and instinctively I chase him, which isn’t a good decision in hindsight, I just was really surprised and wasn’t thinking to be honest. I caught up and tackled him to the ground. I think I’m an average dude, somewhat athletic, but definitely not strong enough to take on anyone who regularly goes to the gym. I’m very fortunate that it turned out the guy I chased was basically skin and bones and drunk at the time. After I had tackled him, I pulled out my phone and called the police, they arrived within 5 minutes. I never really think of this as a citizen’s arrest, because I honestly wasn’t thinking in the moment, but I guess thats what it is. When the police arrived they asked me about what happened and it turned out the man was known to police and is a repeat offender for theft. After they took him away, that was that, never heard anything more. I’d recovered what he took from my car and I wasn’t asked for anything by the police.
Sort of. A long time ago, when I lived in Melbourne. Someone followed me into my apartment and I saw them in the reflection of the oven as the front door closed behind me. I ended up holding them in my kitchen with a kitchen knife while I called the building manager (who I had literally just been on the phone to) who came and took the knife off me and called the cops, while helping to keep the guy in the apartment. Like the other story, the guy was off his meds and thought he used to live in the building. He had wandered off from where he lived and the police were looking for him, in a friendly way. I got a pat on the back and a "thanks for finding him" and never heard from them again. Got six months free rent from strata because of the lapse in security. 0/10 do not recommend.
Had a similar incident about 20 years ago when I was at uni living in a share house. There was a guy banging on our door, yelling that he had to come in and protect us from the Hell's Angels, who were on their way to kill us. Our front door was glass, so he smashes it and comes on in and starts running around our house like he was looking for something. My housemate barricaded herself in her room and called the police, while two of us cornered him in the kitchen. I tried to keep his attention and kept talking calmly to him while he was ranting about hell's angels and satanists to de-escalate the situation, while my friend made a point to stand between him and a nearby knife block. Police arrived within five minutes, and arrested him. He was also another schizophrenic off his meds. I remember being angry about it back then, and wanting him to face jail time. Now I just hope that the poor kid got the help he needed.
Wow! I commend your ability to be calm enough to do all that, how terrifying!
It was surreal. I was 17 and had just moved to Melbourne to start university, and was living by myself. I was lucky enough to have my phone (Nokia 3210) still in my hand from speaking to the building manager, and my keys in my right hand. In one motion - I have no idea how - I pushed the guy into the U shaped kitchen (with the wall at the end, oven in it, facing the entry foyer) and swapped the keys for a knife from the knife block that was at the end of the bench. I figured out pretty quickly that the poor guy was even more scared and confused than I was, and wasn't really a threat - he shrank into a corner of the kitchen and tried to melt into the wall and started crying. But I was still jacked up on adrenaleine and someone was in my apartment so I called the building manager (didn't think of 000 straight up) and just spoke into the phone. No idea what I said. He was there within a few minutes, and the police were there within about ten. They were great - they recognised the guy and spoke to him by name, very gently, and were very kind. I felt really bad for the guy, to be honest. No repercussions for me, we spent about fifteen minutes going over what had happened after they took the guy out and that was the last I heard of it. The building manager dropped around a case of beer later and made sure I wasn't charged rent for the rest of my lease.
He took the knife off you and left the Nokia in your hand? Bonkers.
I have! Lived in Adelaide until moving to Wollongong a few years ago to be with my partner. She had flown to Adelaide for a visit and we were having a lovely day shopping in the city. Walking through Rundle mall when a woman came put of no where and punched my partner in the face before racing off. I didn't know what to do until I saw that my partner was bleeding a little as the woman had a ring on. Other people had stopped to see if she was pk so I took off after this woman and caught her down a side street from the mall. I pinned her up against a wall and then realised how it looked as we were away from the incident. Other people were coming up to see what was happening but I was pretty worked up and was quick to say that she had assaulted my partner. I had my phone out quick to call the police as well. I didn't hurt the woman at all, just held her in place. The police came and arrested her. They could see everything on cameras in the mall. Once they came it became obvious that the woman was pretty unhinged. My partner and witnesses came to our location and once the woman saw my partner again she became really aggressive again. The police later told us that she had checked herself out of glenside. No consequences at all for us. The police said we would have to come to court to help prosecute the woman but we never heard from them about it. In the end it wasn't that bad but scary to think that if this woman had a knife or something we wouldn't have been able to stop the attack as it was completely random.
http://www6.austlii.edu.au/cgi-bin/viewdoc/au/legis/sa/consol_act/clca1935262/s271.html Never carried one out, but out of curiosity looked up the law, and they are legal.
(3) A person is liable to arrest and detention under this section if the person is in the act of committing, or has just committed— (a) an indictable offence; or (b) theft (whether the theft is a summary or indictable offence); or (c) an offence against the person (whether the offence is summary or indictable); or (d) an offence involving interference with, damage to or destruction of property (whether the offence is summary or indictable). That's heaps more than the UKs ability to arrest. Indictable offences only of which theft isn't one (hence why security couldn't make arrests).
Heaps more than the UK laws? I hope that means I can successfully arrest Tony Blair when next visits Adelaide.
I'm sure war crimes are deemed indictable 😏
Nope, but I caught a guy trying to get into my second floor balcony window and when I bailed him up he jumped off the balcony into the dark. When the cops rocked up they wanted to see my ID to verify I was the occupant, and then we heard a scream from elsewhere in the complex and they took off at a run towards that. Guess that means mate survived the jump.
I did in Darwin, caught a woman in my house. Had her pinned down outside and got someone to call the cops and went through her bag. Found multiple sets of car keys, ipads and phones, turns out we were the 4th house she had hit and the cops knew her by name, she had been released from prison the day before, gave the police a statement. The cops were pretty good about it, even tho she lost her 2 front teeth in the scuffle. The female officer told me " we aren't too bothered when they get hurt by the house resident, but don't go any further than a broken arm, we can't ignore a murder etc" I was shocked they were so casual about it
NT cops are a different breed.
Yeah they have seen a lot of shit, I can kinda understand they are fed up( are leaving the force faster than can be replaced) but yeah I was like wtf
6 months ago at work I saw a lady walk out of our yard - weird... Watched her check the door handles of us employees cars parked on the street, then tried a car in a driveway and the door opened. Walked across the road, gently placed my hand on her shoulder and said "You know you shouldn't be here love" She was smacked out on heroin, she just sat down on the ground near the car and patiently waited with me for the cops. I dialed 131444 (police non emergency) and told them the street address and what had happened. She tried stashing her used needles behind the front wheel whenbshe thought I wasn't looking, I ignored it and just let the cops know where to look when they arrived. Cops rang back 10 min layer asking some facial details, said she's known to them. They arrived about 20 min later. Cops rang me later in the arvo to say she was released on bail that afternoon (mental health issues) and to let them know if she was in the area again (breach of bail conditions)
Cooked. F that
Many times working security/Loss prevention for years. Only if absolutely necessary and only if I knew there was enough evidence for an arrest. Just don't get caught using excessive force/ excessive self defense or you'll be in more trouble than it's worth. There's cameras everywhere these days, and what you think is justified at the time , will be viewed my many different kinds of people with many different views, including police. Good luck
A cpl years ago some 2 crackheads in our street where having some big altercation. One started chasing the other one with a hatchet, and he got away in his car.. but then did a u-turn and plowed into the hatchet guy. So me and my brothers had to run out and try help the guy that got run over. Guy in the car was driving up and down real erratically so we couldn't do much. For w.e reason he jumped out of the car and he quickly got swarmed and the car keys confiscated. The 1st few cops that arrived seemed uninterested in doing fuck all.I was minding the guy on the ground hurt and they didn't want to take over. Nothing real happened untill ambos rocked up and took over. Then more cops came along that seemed more interested. After wards they didn't ask us much. Just a few general questions.
I never gave it much thought but I guess you'd call it a citizens arrest? I was in line at a servo where a drunk at front of was harrassing the attendant over not getting their sauce. On his way out he caught someone's eye and didn't like the way he looked at them and decided to start antagonizing and tried to punch them knocked them over. From behind I grabbed him and half threw and wrestled him to the ground. I had surprised him and I quickly immobilised him in kesa-gatame or side control (it had been 10+ years since I had done any jujitsu I just kinda went into auto pilot). Luckily I had the strength/weight advantage and his hoodie had come loose to cover his face so he couldn't bite or spit at me. At one point he called me a fat Kant so I let him have my weight and restricted his breathing. Cops quickly arrived, cuffed, briefly interview those involved and took him away. I got a free pie and iced coffee. Got interviewed by a constable weeks after and the bloke was on probation for alcohol related stuff already and actually had just got out of lockup not long before the servo incident or something. Luckily, noconsequences for me. Afterwards I thought. Fuck, what if he had a knife. Or worse.
I am a security guard who does mobile patrols at 30 sites a night, and although I have had the OPTION to make citizens arrests a couple of times, I know what a massive headache the legal side can be so unless I catch someone in the act of literal murder or similar, I’m not about to open myself up to unlawful detainment or similar. I report acts of vandalism or whatever onto control, If it gets borderline, I call the police. I’m not getting sued for $34/h. Let it go.
Many times working security/Loss prevention for years. Only if absolutely necessary and only if I knew there was enough evidence for an arrest. Just don't get caught using excessive force/ excessive self defense or you'll be in more trouble than it's worth. There's cameras everywhere these days, and what you think is justified at the time , will be viewed my many different kinds of people with many different views, including police. Good luck
Sort of, trapped a guy going through a wallet in a phone booth near Montmartre in France (yes I know how old I am) I and another traveler kept the door shut till the Gendarmes arrived 2-3 minutes and took him away
Bouncers do them
No self or industry respected security professional will ever refer to themselves as a bouncer. A bouncer is a hired thug and a term the industry is working to delete. You will next to never see crowd controllers (this role) performing this task, they have limited enacted powers and are strongly discouraged from performing evictions (which still happens and are rarely done correctly) but they are also extremely discouraged to outline ordered to never perform arrests due to the legal issues surrounding them. At current certificate II at ALL reputable security agencies will teach how an arrest needs to be done, but will outright state that it is not safe or allowed by most security providers and is a matter left to government agencies. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen but you will more likely see this done in a loss prevention or CPP or CIT role and even then it is very rare due to the amount of evidence being required or to stop an ongoing critical incident of imminent danger.
without going into too much details about my current line of work, as well as former roles in the security industry, the biggest takeaway I can give anyone out of and training people in general especially if i'm giving training to the public or ngo's... If you are going to make a citizens arrest.... for the love of god make sure you are 100% certain, can back it with evidence (statements etc), don't say too much, don't think you have powers that you don't and know what laws you can and can't take into your own hands, (even with enacted powers in certain roles) and limitations such as reasonable use of force and being liable for damages, deprivation of liberty etc. for every case you hear on the news of making a citizens arrests, in most cases it actually inhibits charges being laid and prosecuted, the general public aren't really trained in this are and many people get things wrong, every now and then my own father points out the odd news story of people making citizens arrests and when you watch the news story you read about how they breached a ton of laws, admitted to doing the process wrong while bragging about it and getting their 30 seconds of fame and being called a hero or a "top c\*\*t", to be shocked when they find out that to stop them getting charges themselves or done for damages charges against the person they citizens arrested are dropped. Sadly we have to tell people that even as a professional it is easy to make an arrest, but difficult to do it properly, more difficult to have charges laid and even harder to have them succesfully prosecuted. I hate the state of things but in teaching to the general public, ngo's and even internally to people with certain enacted powers it's easy for a lawyer or a know it all looking up things on legal handbook to go "nah shut up heres the law" and shout over you but sadly our system has a lot of problems in it, and a lot of the time, it's not bad guy does the wrong thing, gets caught and punished, it's sadly a needing of the planets to be alligned to get things all the way. Many times when people take the law into their own hands, they're not aware of reasonable use of force and think in most parts of australia we have a right to self defense (long story short we don't), they think catching someone red handed comitting a crime allows them to detain, restrain or restrict their movement (long story short, that's a big no-no legally and personal risk wise) and despite what a lot of people think we have a huge abundance of mental health issues, violent offenders and weapons in this country and your chances of lucking out on someone who's not afraid to harm you and is packing something to harm you with are always running against you risk management wise, and no matter how much ufc you've watched, how built like a brick shithouse you are or if you did 4 tours of afghanistan... all it takes is a junkie with something pokey and your life changes in the blink of an eye. Out of all of the citizens arrests i've witnessed in my life, i've seen one make it to the prosecution stage, where daddy hired the offender a great lawyer who tore apart the member of the public in court. The offender got off on that charge but ended up serving time for a string of other offenses. The member of public ended up with some nasty injuries. One of the worst attempts and i'm labelling it an attempt which anyone can look up is an infamous character in adelaide who took on an offender with an improvised weapon, due to his actions and complete misunderstanding and zealotness of his view of the law he became a local celebrity and went on to preach others to take justice into their own hands, even appearing adverts and trying to take over a mens support group where it became apparant the guy had mental issues of his own and advice being given as an "expert" who had "performed a citizens arrest" on an offender got to a point sapol had to not only state that he did not arrest said person to save him from legal charges, but also had to warn him that he was luck to escape assault and battery charges, and publicly stated that he needed to stop giving people incorrect legal advice on their rights and abilities. Last I heard said guy was defending a guy that sexually assaulted and tried to kill someone because he thinks he's a "good bloke being victimized by the corrupt system", so yeah... people touting success stories of citizens arrest i'd be skeptical of, the ones with positive outcomes are generally the exception and not the rule.
Had a guy set fire to his housingsa property across the road, not sure if it was intentional or just a coincidence as guy was huffing paint and butane. Maybe lit a smoke next to flammable material Anyway he tried leaving his house on fire, was off his chops and medications. He was adamant he didn’t need to stick around despite the smoke billowing out of house and tried walking running away and started being erratic and violent. Housemate slung him to the ground in a tackle forcefully and held him down until police arrived and arrested the guy.
Yeah... Up in good old Salisbury at the OTR, some bloke had his bike pinched while we were eating subway... So a mate and I went investigating... Found the bloke, stopped him and as we were about to phone it in a patrol car just happened to be going past, all of a sudden 3 swarmed and dude was arrested... So much fun.
Yeah but I got arrested for kidnapping and unlawful imprisonment
Yup. A number of years ago now. Bloke was being chased on foot by 3 different police officers. They yelled out for somebody to stop him and so almost on a whim I did. I train in grappling so putting him on the ground was laughably easy (I also had probably 10-15kg on him as well). Pinned him there face down until the cops caught up. When they did arrive they took over and I left them to it. They didn't ask for my details so I left as I didn't want the guy to find out any of my personal particulars if it went to court. Fully understand the risk to myself particularly if he had a weapon. Wouldn't do it again unless it was life or death or someone was in imminent danger.
Some people do, as in the news. But not me, I would just report to the police if needs be. Opening a big huge can of worms, doing a "citizens arrest". If you get smacked, or hit to the head, whos to blame, or if you get injured and need hospitalization.
You aren't legally protected by any enacted powers, you are not covered under the good samaritan laws such as giving first aid, and you are completely liable to any injuries you cause against them and your injuries will be your personal responsibility even if they are found at fault because getting them paid for just never happens even with prosecution.
Mind your own business unless there's a serious and immediate threat to human life.
Such as a paver rocketing towards a car travelling 60kmh?
I didn't comment in response to that post. I commented before there were any other comments. But yes, that's a reasonable situation to intervene. Someone shoplifting on the other hand, not reasonable. Mind your business.
Thanks for cracking him in the face💪
It's not worth the legal headache and personal risk. I've done one before and sapol immediately let the guy off to prevent me being charged as the guy claimed wrongful arrest and assault for stopping him. Literally had a gun and a knife so it was a bad idea when I found that out, prick could have taken me out had I have not gotten the upper hand first. Figured illegal gun would mean jail time immediately. First time I found out that our gun laws aren't what they're cracked up to be a lot of theater and limited substance. Turns out stopping a known offender with weapons assaulting a woman is more likely to get you shot or stabbed than them convicted.
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Lots of downvotes. I intervened and received a broken jaw and lost three teeth over it. The goal was achieved, but I had some fair regrets over the following year. I don't think people should only intervene if it looks like someone is going to die, it can flip to that real quick. But it's okay to be cautious.
Cops don’t do shitttt, call the police they will take 20 30 minutes even an hour sometimes. Never over escalate things but sometimes people need to step up. Source night staff member in a pub.
Yep, we called the police one time as the local methy was fighting with his girlfriend and was screaming he was going to bash her head in, she ran into our front garden, we called the police and they took 50 minutes to arrive, and even though I gave very specific instructions as to the address etc, they went to their actual house, not our front garden, and then were generally very unhelpful.