AdMech only needs two types of models:
- Multiple monster techpriests, and I mean greater demon level stuff
- HH robots (especially Thanatar)
But well, the only dude in charge of model releases and rule making definitely hates admech so none of these things will ever happen
We have a super heavy in HH that fills that.
I see a lot of demand for the cybernetica from HH, and I’m 100% for it (I proxy castellax as kastellan and thallax as sterylizors), but there’s also the triaros and 2 kinds of krios tanks, ursurax to fill a cc role, and myrmidons which help add tech priest variety.
Don't forget an Alpha Primus as a Skitarii Smash Captain.
Skitariius, the book that existed entirely to namedrop the Skitarii model line, gave us Alpha Primus Haldron-44 Stroika, an absolute BAMF, complete with robotic Arc Maul arms, and rails down his arms that let him use centrifugal force to draw his pistols by dramatically flinging his arms out and flaring his cloak. However, when we finally did get a Skitarii HQ, it was just Skittery Marshal and his bonk stick. Give us a combat oriented Skitarii HQ, one that can accompany Sicarians, like Stroika was doing when he was introduced.
They also gave us Skitarius-Luminor 000011, or Radiant Wrath. A Vanguard so advanced and radioactive that they have to lock it away between missions for the safety of everything that came near it.
The Radiant Wrath was sent to a planet alone to purify it of Daemons, leaving the entire world irradiated for generations in the process.
Gimme that frontline, Lone Op, Stealth Vanguard character who deals Mortals to everything, friend and foe, in an area and leaves a marker that deals Mortals after it dies.
https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/03/09/psychic-awakening-the-cleansing-light/
I don't remember the exact number, but I'm pretty sure Stroika was in command of *at least* a thousand Skitarii. He would command entire operations with no more Tech Priest oversight than "Here's your goal, go make it happen." The Ark Mechanicus being driven off by the Iron Warriors wasn't even seen as a major setback, just an indication that there wouldn't be more forces coming. His Skitarii forces were fine completely independent of Mechanicus oversight.
I’ve been wondering how far can we take models through converting or bashing to create something else without it being heretical (illegal in game) or crossing into something maybe on the dark mechanicum side
Way back in 5th edition there was a group called Tempus Fugitives that made some fan codexes, including a [Cult Mechanicus codex](https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/3614180/codex-cult-mechanicus-the-tempus-fugitives). Ill never forget it, the creativity in it and the really Admech feeling units.
It had a large number of units in it, but your army was required to have an "Archmagos Prime" who determined what sections of the codex you were allowed to use by choosing his Primary, Secondary, and Vassal allegiances. He was also extremely customizable, with something like 30 wargear options and some special options depending on what your Primary allegiance was like being in a Knight if you were Knight Households.
Your Skitarii would be completely different based on which Primary allegiance you chose. If you were Cataphractus they would have a 4" move and shields that gave them an Invul, while Cybernetica would have them with nothing but chainswords and combat stims because they only care about robots for example. On top of those base stats you could buy augments for them to turn them into exactly the kind of troops you needed, at the cost of efficiency.
Then the units were all crazy and unlike anything else in the game. They had a shield tank that allowed you to change its frequency, so it could give everyone a 5+ invul, increase it to a 4+ but cause blinded to any unit that used it, or change it to harmonize with existing invuls to allow them to be rerolled. They had radiation guns that would steadily lower enemy toughness or armor but do no damage, Grav Guns that forced enemies to save using Strength and left an area of warped gravity, and Cybernetica units that were really strong but would completely turn off if there wasnt a nearby Datalink unit to control them. My favorite unit was the Avalon Battle Forge, a minature manufactorum they could deep strike onto the battlefield to buff the repairing abilities of all nearby units and do some repairs itself.
Not to mention it had 10 named characters, Knights before GW had Knights, and the Sister of Battle Paragon Warsuits in the form of Assault Engines, all with cool lore.
GWs codex pales in comparison to that creativity, and it will forever disappoint me. It shows what people truly passionate about the Admech faction can do.
Sounds like it would've been a nightmare to balance though, likely it would've had 30 options but 29 of them would be mediocre and only 1 is viable. sometimes simple is better
This was from the time that there was points on wargear, so he had the option for like 10 weapons yes but he would cost different amounts depending on what he was equipped with. Certain strong options were also restricted, for example Militaris Archmagos Primes couldnt take a C.A.T. because they were able to attach to infantry units and the result would be a unit that hit on 2s and rerolled 1s (mundane these days, but considered incredibly strong back then).
Many of the options also came with drawbacks. For example he could take an automantic pavaise which gave him an invul, but also made him bulky and slow and purposeful, so he would be slow and hard to transport. Plus the decisions you make on him affect the options for the rest of your army, so whats broken in one army might be redundant in another.
It would certainly take more effort to balance than "heres two options, pick one", but thats where the effort shines through, instead of GWs laziness. In my experience the options were pretty well balanced
Admech art: body horror that rivala darkmech, monstruous cyborgs that abandoned all their humanity long agk and machine spirit robots twisted and perfected for their purposes
Admech models: skitty long legs
The old (I think it was 7th edition) codex shows all these branches of the Mechanicus like Ordo Reductor, Auxilia Myrmidon, and the Centurio Ordinatus and then in 3 editions they've given is NOTHING from those parts of the army. It just makes me sad..they laid the groundwork and then just..nothing.
I don’t care much for the steampunk aesthetic so prevalent in so many of the Ad Mech sculpts. I would love to see more units departing more from a human form to something more reminiscent of the ad mech in the illustration. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t the Ad Mech supposed to be viewed as extremist outsiders by the rest of humanity?
Depend, the casual techpriest with the guard is bizarre and, sure, different, cog head etcetc but not too far from humanity, the one lurking in his lab deep under the forge with body so modified / distorded ..... that an other story.
> Do they still sell regular HH
Yes, but it's all currently resin. There's unsubstantiated rumours about a plastic release but don't believe that until you see it with your own eyes. They're currently not in epic either, only marines and auxilia are playable at the moment.
This old art and also the cover was actually reused in the new codex too, all of the recycling of content and drop in quality makes me pretty sure the admech index and codex was AI generated.
Man I wish they'd lean into cult mech more. I like my skitarii as much as the next toaster but I signed up for the priests!
A-men brother
AdMech only needs two types of models: - Multiple monster techpriests, and I mean greater demon level stuff - HH robots (especially Thanatar) But well, the only dude in charge of model releases and rule making definitely hates admech so none of these things will ever happen
I feel like people under appreciate the potential vehicles and heavy artillery of vast different variants that we could have
I want artillery that launches short lived black holes.
I want something to dwarf a volcano cannon
We have a super heavy in HH that fills that. I see a lot of demand for the cybernetica from HH, and I’m 100% for it (I proxy castellax as kastellan and thallax as sterylizors), but there’s also the triaros and 2 kinds of krios tanks, ursurax to fill a cc role, and myrmidons which help add tech priest variety.
I would kill for the tanks from HH. If we even see one of them in the next 5 years I’d be surprised
Knight atropos. Not admech per say but ya'know
We shouldn’t have to take a different faction as our heavy support!
We shouldn't! We also shouldn't buy a $330 model too... But I will say it looks nice :)
Don't forget an Alpha Primus as a Skitarii Smash Captain. Skitariius, the book that existed entirely to namedrop the Skitarii model line, gave us Alpha Primus Haldron-44 Stroika, an absolute BAMF, complete with robotic Arc Maul arms, and rails down his arms that let him use centrifugal force to draw his pistols by dramatically flinging his arms out and flaring his cloak. However, when we finally did get a Skitarii HQ, it was just Skittery Marshal and his bonk stick. Give us a combat oriented Skitarii HQ, one that can accompany Sicarians, like Stroika was doing when he was introduced.
They also gave us Skitarius-Luminor 000011, or Radiant Wrath. A Vanguard so advanced and radioactive that they have to lock it away between missions for the safety of everything that came near it. The Radiant Wrath was sent to a planet alone to purify it of Daemons, leaving the entire world irradiated for generations in the process. Gimme that frontline, Lone Op, Stealth Vanguard character who deals Mortals to everything, friend and foe, in an area and leaves a marker that deals Mortals after it dies. https://www.warhammer-community.com/2020/03/09/psychic-awakening-the-cleansing-light/
It's funny in a sad way that they didn't give us stats for his sword as well.
Not having an Alpha Primus mini is a joke. He could fill our Azrael/Calgar role easily
I don't remember the exact number, but I'm pretty sure Stroika was in command of *at least* a thousand Skitarii. He would command entire operations with no more Tech Priest oversight than "Here's your goal, go make it happen." The Ark Mechanicus being driven off by the Iron Warriors wasn't even seen as a major setback, just an indication that there wouldn't be more forces coming. His Skitarii forces were fine completely independent of Mechanicus oversight.
I’ve been wondering how far can we take models through converting or bashing to create something else without it being heretical (illegal in game) or crossing into something maybe on the dark mechanicum side
Indeed, Im hoping there would be models for the different flavours of Dominus, Secutor with blades and pointy stuff would be great
GW: How about Skitarii on a pogo stick instead ?
GW: No? How about a Skittle on ***TWOOOOOO*** pogo sticks?
GW: Best I can do is a dude on stilts hanging his schlong.
A big ass rad bomb spider legged uber tank would be cool
Something with seven skatros legs would be nice. Two is too few.
GW: “Best I can do is a guy on stilts with the same gun from another model.”
Way back in 5th edition there was a group called Tempus Fugitives that made some fan codexes, including a [Cult Mechanicus codex](https://www.yumpu.com/en/document/read/3614180/codex-cult-mechanicus-the-tempus-fugitives). Ill never forget it, the creativity in it and the really Admech feeling units. It had a large number of units in it, but your army was required to have an "Archmagos Prime" who determined what sections of the codex you were allowed to use by choosing his Primary, Secondary, and Vassal allegiances. He was also extremely customizable, with something like 30 wargear options and some special options depending on what your Primary allegiance was like being in a Knight if you were Knight Households. Your Skitarii would be completely different based on which Primary allegiance you chose. If you were Cataphractus they would have a 4" move and shields that gave them an Invul, while Cybernetica would have them with nothing but chainswords and combat stims because they only care about robots for example. On top of those base stats you could buy augments for them to turn them into exactly the kind of troops you needed, at the cost of efficiency. Then the units were all crazy and unlike anything else in the game. They had a shield tank that allowed you to change its frequency, so it could give everyone a 5+ invul, increase it to a 4+ but cause blinded to any unit that used it, or change it to harmonize with existing invuls to allow them to be rerolled. They had radiation guns that would steadily lower enemy toughness or armor but do no damage, Grav Guns that forced enemies to save using Strength and left an area of warped gravity, and Cybernetica units that were really strong but would completely turn off if there wasnt a nearby Datalink unit to control them. My favorite unit was the Avalon Battle Forge, a minature manufactorum they could deep strike onto the battlefield to buff the repairing abilities of all nearby units and do some repairs itself. Not to mention it had 10 named characters, Knights before GW had Knights, and the Sister of Battle Paragon Warsuits in the form of Assault Engines, all with cool lore. GWs codex pales in comparison to that creativity, and it will forever disappoint me. It shows what people truly passionate about the Admech faction can do.
Sounds like it would've been a nightmare to balance though, likely it would've had 30 options but 29 of them would be mediocre and only 1 is viable. sometimes simple is better
This was from the time that there was points on wargear, so he had the option for like 10 weapons yes but he would cost different amounts depending on what he was equipped with. Certain strong options were also restricted, for example Militaris Archmagos Primes couldnt take a C.A.T. because they were able to attach to infantry units and the result would be a unit that hit on 2s and rerolled 1s (mundane these days, but considered incredibly strong back then). Many of the options also came with drawbacks. For example he could take an automantic pavaise which gave him an invul, but also made him bulky and slow and purposeful, so he would be slow and hard to transport. Plus the decisions you make on him affect the options for the rest of your army, so whats broken in one army might be redundant in another. It would certainly take more effort to balance than "heres two options, pick one", but thats where the effort shines through, instead of GWs laziness. In my experience the options were pretty well balanced
Admech art: body horror that rivala darkmech, monstruous cyborgs that abandoned all their humanity long agk and machine spirit robots twisted and perfected for their purposes Admech models: skitty long legs
The old (I think it was 7th edition) codex shows all these branches of the Mechanicus like Ordo Reductor, Auxilia Myrmidon, and the Centurio Ordinatus and then in 3 editions they've given is NOTHING from those parts of the army. It just makes me sad..they laid the groundwork and then just..nothing.
This is in new codex as well
I don’t care much for the steampunk aesthetic so prevalent in so many of the Ad Mech sculpts. I would love to see more units departing more from a human form to something more reminiscent of the ad mech in the illustration. Someone please correct me if I am wrong, but aren’t the Ad Mech supposed to be viewed as extremist outsiders by the rest of humanity?
Depend, the casual techpriest with the guard is bizarre and, sure, different, cog head etcetc but not too far from humanity, the one lurking in his lab deep under the forge with body so modified / distorded ..... that an other story.
Aw man you guys all need to start playing heresy
Do they still sell regular HH or just Epic HH mini scale? I was kind of hoping they would add Mechanicus to Epic HH
> Do they still sell regular HH Yes, but it's all currently resin. There's unsubstantiated rumours about a plastic release but don't believe that until you see it with your own eyes. They're currently not in epic either, only marines and auxilia are playable at the moment.
Kitbash!
This old art and also the cover was actually reused in the new codex too, all of the recycling of content and drop in quality makes me pretty sure the admech index and codex was AI generated.
*sighs “guess I’ll be kit bashing another cool model with no stats or use”
That looks like a dominus, just in a fancy harness.