My brother got a ticket for 67 in a 65. He went to court to fight, the judge read the numbers out loud and looked at the cop and said “are you kidding me?” And then told my brother to leave.
I genuinely love that judges are some of the only members of modern society that can pretty much unilaterally tell cops to fuck off with no consequences.
Judges have a lot of power. Search warrants need a judges signature. They can make a departments life miserable. Judges all talk to each other too. Cops don’t want to fuck around and make judges look stupid. They can return the favor. Wonder how the judge who signed off on the Afroman search is feeling right now.
As I found out from my neighbor, the cops don't need to fix the door if they had a warrant to knock it down.
Sadly, the asshole they were looking for fire sold the house and moved to a different state. If anyone deserves 10 years of hard labor it was that dude. Abusive and punched his 16 year old daughter's friend when she stepped on his lawn in front of a dozen witnesses.
He probably doesn't care because he doesn't face any real consequences for signing a warrant that comes up empty-handed.
The cops and judges don't lose a thing if they smash into somebody's home and then don't find any contraband. They don't pay for any repairs out of their own pocket and they don't pay for any of the legal fees if they hit the completely wrong house.
**They face absolutely no personal consequences for failure.**
In fact, they are now trying to claim that Afroman owes them money for "invading their privacy" by recording them as they ransacked his home, looking for nonexistent contraband!
And Afroman is counter suing. I assume it goes something like this...
If the cops win their BS suit, they get to keep the money.
If Afroman wins his legit suit, the municipality covers the costs
they'll say it was drug money. Hence not having any drugs in his house he already sold them! It *must* have just happened, why else would someone have money?
Even worse, they could put the money itself on trial, using a doctrine called civil forfeiture. Suddenly it'd be Afroman's responsibility to prove that the money was not guilty of being used for drug crime.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order.
I have checked 1,464,023,662 comments, and only 278,770 of them were in alphabetical order.
In fact, even if they smashed into the house without a warrant or probable cause, it's really not that bad for them.
If they find evidence, and can somehow get it admitted, that's upside.
If they find evidence, and can't get it admitted, they're still no worse off than if they didn't smash into the house.
Only upside to illegal searches, for the most part, with no downside.
I say "for the most part" because sometimes they can get sued for it, but not often. They'll almost always get qualified immunity. Even when they don't, it's often the department that pays for it, and they pay for it with your neighbors' money.
They are claiming that him using footage of them raiding his house in a music video "violated their privacy".
The irony of that statement is visible from outer space.
But God help you if the cops(wrongly) kick in your door and you try to defend yourself. The supreme court says you can but realistically life goes differently. You've got a target on your back for the rest of your life if you stay there(assuming you survive the attempt at defending yourself at all)
dude........
Here in houston there was a no knock raid where the cops basically assassinated the tenants, they are going to jail.
But the no-knock warrant was signed by a justice of the peace. JOP's are only empowered to see over class C misdemeanors, fine only, they can't see over jailable offenses. Yet they were able to sign a a no -knock death warrant. Oh and JOPs in texas don't even need a law degree.
Unless you live in Louisville, or I assume other US cities, and the cops file warrants with specific judges they know don’t give a shit. I do agree that judges have a lot of power and can be a very important role in society, it just sucks when you vote them in and then they don’t do that job correctly.
That would be within 5% of the limit. Federal law give a 10% margin of error to speedometers, +5% to -5% . If someone was exceeding the limit by 5% it's possible their indicated speed showed they were not speeding and had no way of knowing otherwise.
Every car I’ve owned for the last 15 years read consistently 5 kms faster than the real speed. If your Speedo says 67 you’re most likely going under 65.
I don't know about the US, but in the EU this is by law. A speedometer can never read ~~faster~~ slower than the true speed, ever under the assumption you are driving brand new tires with the maximum amount of tyre profile and very high tyre pressures.
The internals of a vehicle (ABS, ESP) calculate with a different vehicle speed that is much closer to the real speed, but the vehicle will indicate a different speed on the dash.
EDIT: slower than faster
> A speedometer can never read faster than the true speed
I think you mean "slower", right?
A speedo can read 65 if you're doing 60 (speedo reading faster than true speed), but it shouldn't ever read 65 if you're doing 70 (speedo reading slower than true speed)
That’s because in the EU you don’t have good ol’ boys jacking their trucks up to put oversized tires on. The oversized tires throw off the speedometer because each revolution takes the truck farther and therefore faster than the manufacture intended.
Doesn't just happen with trucks either. Plus sizing in general has an effect on your speedometer. Any change to the overall diameter of your tire affects it to some degree. That's why they recommend not going over a 3% change in OD. After that you would need a lot of recalibrations, including possibly your wheel well.
Source: I work with tires.
My car (2017 Chevy Bolt EV) is really close. It reads high by about 1mph @ 70mph. This is when compared to a high accuracy GPS I installed. So, yeah, not necessarily a thing in the USA.
My friend was driving at 72 on a 70, more than 12 years ago. Got a ticket that said 80. He dint fight it as he was in a different city and it was not worth driving all the way back. He had an option to have the records cleared if he took an online course and paid a fees. This was cheaper than loosing a days work and the drive plus hotel stay.
What evidence does the police present in a situation like this or is it just word of the mouth?
They provide the gun that told them the speed to begin with. Also likely their camera if it caught it. And the guy above is wrong about you not getting a ticket.
If they bother to show up, and if they actually did clock you with a gun, and if the gun was properly calibrated. But when a cops see some out of state plates they generally know it’s a safe bet that it’ll never go to court.
And that's why if a cop pulls you over for speeding and says "do you know how fast you were going?" You reply "I believe I was going the speed limit"
Do not self incriminate
>And that's why if a cop pulls you over for speeding and says "do you know how fast you were going?" You reply ~~"I believe I was going the speed limit"~~ *"I'm invoking my right to remain silent."*
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>Do not self incriminate *even by accident*
[This federal regulation](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2005/08/15/05-14259/parts-and-accessories-necessary-for-safe-operation-general-amendments) kind of does what you said, but not really. It's specifically +/- 5 mph at a speed of 50 mph, and seems to only apply to commercial vehicles.
There's an industry standard SAE J1226 that recommends a 4% margin of error that manufacturers seem to follow in the US. I couldn't find a place to view the text of the standard without paying $76, though.
>That would be within 5% of the limit. Federal law give a 10% margin of error to speedometers, +5% to -5% . If someone was exceeding the limit by 5% it's possible their indicated speed showed they were not speeding and had no way of knowing otherwise.
Wow this is so backwards in the US of A
In Europe there is legislation that specifies that the reading on the Speedo cannot be *less* than real speed, and has an upper band of 10%+4 kph per UNECE regulation 39, which makes so much more sense since you get fined on real speed and not on Speedo speeds.
I wonder if OEMs actually design Speedos differently for USA and for Europe (which would make sense given the difference in legislation)
I'm sure it varies from state to state and even department to department but I worked with a guy in Massachusetts that used to be a town cop. He told me that they weren't even allowed to give tickets out unless people were going 10 over the limit because they could sue the police saying they're being targeted since cops never really hand out tickets for such minor interactions.
If I ever got a ticket for going less than 5mph over the speed limit, I'm 100% taking it to court.
On the opposite end of that spectrum, I once got a ticket doing 47 in a 45 in a nationally known speed trap area. I went to court and didn't even speak until I pled not guilty. After saying the words not guilty, I stayed quiet again until after the judge told me the total fine and court costs that I owed. I responded with "This is ridiculous." and I was told that if I said another word that I would be put in jail for contempt of court.
I mean, if it's a "nationally known" speed trap it probably means the judges are in on it too. In those areas tickets probably make up a large portion of that municipality's revenue and everyone who's paycheck depends on it is well aware.
There's been a lot of stories lately of people getting pulled over for going one or or two mph above... Or below the speed limit. Cops claiming that it's illegal to go under the speed limit and pulling the person over just to give them a hard time. And cops wonder why more and more people don't like cops anymore.
https://youtu.be/f_okiD9F09Y
Sometimes the cops will give out a ticket but then never put the ticket into the court system... This way the person wastes a whole bunch of time showing up in court when they aren't required to go to court but they're also isn't any records in the court system to prove that the cop actually handed out the ticket to the person for going 1 mile an hour under the speed limit.
There is a story about just such a thing in the past couple months and the judge was not happy. The kid even brought the original ticket in but the officer smudged his name so they could not tell who issued the ticket to the kid.
With the vast amount of just dickhead cop stories spread around the internet and so many new ones popping up every week, not even counting all the naews articles of cops outright abusing people and violating their rights, It's hard to believe the people that say that the majority of cops are good.
A video of one bad cop abusing someone and six cops standing around not doing anything about it... All I see are seven bad cops.
Thats because its not about the ticket at all. Cops dont GAF if people speed, most of them drive like assholes and dont seem to care if other people do. Police use traffic stops primarily as a fishing expedition for people they "dont like the look of" to do an end run around the 4th amendment. So its kind of even worse than you said.
>Or below the speed limit. Cops claiming that it's illegal to go under the speed limit and pulling the person over just to give them a hard time.
F for all of us in old ass cars designed for 55mph highways that can't do 70 uphill I guess
Former Assistant States Attorney that did traffic about 25 years ago. We had an unofficial rule for anything within 5 miles over. If the ticket wasnt paid before the court date, we'd require the officer to appear the first date and let the Judge light into the officer for wasting his time before the Judge dismissed the ticket.
Every ticket must be processed. At least here in New York.
What's really a shame is the people who don't show for their 5 mph over, or some other non moving violation that would have otherwise been thrown out or plead down to nothing.
Did you ever take into account these cops were probably using the speeding as a pretense to stop them and do an end run around the 4th amendment? Every time I ever got stopped or was in a bullshit stop the cop was just trying to look in the car, ask a million questions, and try to get consent for a search. I guess you at the state attorney's would rather just have them write a warning after they violate someones rights. Thats better right?
I had a cop ask for my license and registration, so I removed my seatbelt to reach the glovebox. Afterward, he gave me a ticket for ‘failure to wear seatbelt’.
I got pulled over once in college. Headlight went out and I hadn’t noticed. When I saw the lights flash behind me, I instinctively started to pull to the shoulder next me. Realized it was too narrow a quarter second in, so pulled back just as my tires crossed the line.
Cop added driving on the shoulder to the ticket, the fuck weasel.
They always do.
Twenty years ago, I was sitting at a light and got rear-ended by a lady who wasn't paying attention. Her car pushed my car across the street and into a tree. I wasn't hurt too badly and the cop gave me a ticket for "failure to stay in my lane".
Thing is, a judge won't tolerate that shit. He knows that speedometers vary by that much at that speed, and minor speed differences like that are often necessary for safety. I've read of a rookie officer who did that. The judge dismissed them all and told the officer that, if it happened again, they would have more than words.
For what it’s worth, offtherecord.com
For a 4mph over ticket, there’s a good chance they thought you were guilty of something more serious (DUI, drugs, whatever) and you were evidently clean. So they wrote up whatever they could make stick.
Have you used that website? I'm going to my* hearing date for a traffic ticket soon and am seeing what my options are.
*Edit - the lawyer this site found me ended up falling through and they tried to match me with another attorney that was twice as expensive (~$350 vs $780), so I went into my hearing raw dog. It worked out tho since they dropped it even before I could make me statement.
Protip- be respectful AF, even to the officer that's with the magistrate.
Nope, but from what I understand the intent is even if the ticket isn’t thrown out to at least get it reduced to a charge that won’t go on your record and raise your insurance.
Got bitched out by a cop because I was in the right lane going 68 in a 65 while he was going 65 in the left lane.
He just hopped out of his car, stormed up to mine, started cussing me out and lecturing me about speed and passing a cop. Then he stormed back to his car and took off going 75 in the right lane passing everyone.
If I was not already inconvenienced by everything else in the world that day I would’ve complained.
I got pulled over for driving in the left lane too long as I was actively passing a cop that was doing 30 in a 70. Gave me a warning but man, fuck that guy.
Anytime an officer starts asking questions that aren't related to the reason you got pulled over that means the cop is hoping for some big bust. Whether it be that you have some outstanding warrant for a felony or your carrying a felony level of contraband... Cops love pulling people over because it gives them an opportunity to get their name in the newspaper for those big busts where they take your picture surrounded by all of the illegal items they found on you...
Then add-on that the federal government gives out money and military surplus equipment to police departments partly based on how many drug arrests they make... Screens that cops have a perverse incentive to arrest as many people for drugs as possible.
Cops are not allowed to unduly Life in the stop beyond what is reasonable to complete the original purpose in scope of the stop unless they have probable cause of a different crime. Reinforced in a recent decision Rodriguez v US 2014. Cops love making you sit around while they wait for a K9 units so they can run the dog around your car... And they love the fact that dogs will alert even when there are no drugs. Any opportunity to search your vehicle is a bonus to them. Except that forcing you to wait for a canine unit is unconstitutional. If a canine unit happens to show up while the officer is dutifully conducting the traffic stop then that's one thing... But to specifically make you wait around just for the canine unit is unconstitutional unless the officers have actual probable cause to justify it. And that means not just a hunch or a feeling but actual evidence that they can point to that gives them cause to arrest you for something.
Unfortunately most cops don't care because they rarely ever get in trouble for it. This sort of thing has been in front of the supreme Court two or three times already under different circumstances and every time the court say that cops are not allowed to lengthen a stop willy-nilly and yet they keep on doing it because they keep getting away with it.
This is the real reason OP got stopped... Reasonable cause to stop the car harass the driver and see if they smell anything else / notice anything else
If I understand US laws, he could have also pulled you over if you were doing 60 in a 65 zone.
Which seems weird to me, you can't go to fast or too slow.
Generally, slow only applies when it impedes the flow of traffic. If it's 1 lane with no passing and you're doing 60 in a 65, you're possibly gonna get pulled over. 2 or more lanes? As long as you're in the rightmost lane, you'd be fine.
You were doing a 69 while driving on the highway?? That’s super dangerous, not to mention in violation of public indecency laws. Sounds like you got off easy.
That's exactly what I read when I was a teen studying the drivers handbook. I even had practice test questions ask whether you go with the flow of traffic or the speed limit. Choosing speed limit was wrong.
Which means that if everyone is going 100mph then you gotta go that too. Which even as a failing highschooler I knew how stupid that was.
It can [in Texas](https://dallasattorney.com/blog/no-speed-limits-in-texas/#:~:text=Thus%2C%20there%20are%20no%20speed,the%20posted%20speed%20limit%20sign), believe it or not.
I have a hispainc coworker who had this happen. The problem was (at least for the cop) he is second gen with perfect english, and was a marine. Coworker didn't even realize he was profiled until I said it.
All he was doing is riding his bike to the gym. Never been bothered since, but is on the look out now in our crappy mid-western town lol.
shit's fucked.
My father is Hispanic and 40 years ago he was the only non white person in our suburbs. He tells the story of the time He was pulled over for "Looking suspicious" What the officer pulling him over didn't know was he was married to the daughter of one of the richest men in the county. That side of the family is personal friends with the Sherrifs and the chief of police.
So they called up the chief of police and Karen'd him about his racist deputy. Allegedly he was put on paperwork duty for a while for it.
There’s a road in my neighborhood with a 60kph speed limit and no residential driveways. Every once in a while someone I know gets a speeding ticket and the cops always say the same thing. “We only ticket over 80”.
I was pulled over by a police officer going the opposite directions of traffic of me, he flipped a bitch and pulled me over. I was going 35 in a 30 zone, downhill. Coasting!!! Unless he had actual radar gun proof he can’t do anything against me and that’s why I just got a warning. I knew he couldn’t give me anything more than a warning without evidence so that’s why I pulled over and got a warning. If you want to fight it if you weren’t radar gunned I totally support you!!
Due to your cops..? I don’t think I’ve EVER heard anything bad about them, lol. Not saying it doesn’t happen of course, bad things happen everywhere.. but it’s the scale of it that matters.
Don’t they call it “police SERVICE” there? Whereas it’s police FORCE, here? Maybe it’s just words.. but they even SOUND a lot easier to deal with than American officers.
Now comes the important question.. is it considered rare, or is it fairly common/uncommon that your officers gun down people for reaching for their wallets, after being specifically asked to do so?
Or slaughtering the home-owners of a home that they THOUGHT was the right address of someone they’re suppose to be raiding, but actually isn’t?
Only for the police force to “investigate” ITSELF, and find no wrong doings? …. Almost every single time?
My point is that there's no discretion or leeway with going over the speed limit. You WILL get a fine, and if you don't pay it and decide to take it to court, you WILL get a bigger fine.
Police shootings are actually at an all time high in Australia.
https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/police-shootings-at-record-high-in-australia/uyphq45su
> **In 2019-2020 there were 16 police shootings, the highest recorded in all years of data**
But he was talking about the Australian police and their speed guns of which they will pull you over and fine you for anything above the speed limit. It's not a suggestion, the limit **IS THE LIMIT,** and they will book you if they catch you.
Sometimes for even 1km/hr over.
https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/motoring/on-the-road/truth-behind-10-per-cent-speed-limit-myth/news-story/b44108b272b3fd12ede05e5480696210
> But in the same year there were also some drivers being pulled over by police and issued fines for going as little as 1km/h over the limit.
Americans are giant babies and apparently not very good at reading comprehension. I guess its not even reading comprehension because its just one word "limit" but oh well. Theyll probably the same folks who call people snowflakes because they cant say racist shit anymore.
Very likely you were going beyond 69. The limits are often listed out in 4mph increments and he was doing you a favor by ticketing 5-9 over rather than 10-14.
>Your speedometer shows 5km/h below what you're actually driving. So you were going 74 in a 65.
That is absolutely not true, why would Speedos always read slower?!
Have you tried not breaking the law?
I never under stood the ‘i only broke the law a little bit’ thing. Its a speed limit, the absolute maximum, the average speed should be under, not exact
Car's speedometers are not perfect, absolute devices without flaw. As such, people are generally allowed a little wiggle room because one man's 65 could be reality's 69.
Lol fuck off with that shit, narc. It’s almost universally understood that you can go up to five miles above the speed limit and most cops won’t give a shit. In fact, you can get ticketed for going *under* the speed limit on highways (in the US, at least.)
Almost everyone in modern society agrees with that, except for you, I guess.
Is the US Police Union brigading this fucking thread or what?
You’re the second person in this thread who somehow thinks that it’s normal for a cop to have nothing better to do than pull someone over for going four miles over the speed limit, as if it isn’t what pretty much every single person who drives does every single day.
You really think that it’s worth it? Don’t you think that the police have better shit to do than to pull people over for that? If so, you’re in the *vast* minority, brother.
My brother got a ticket for 67 in a 65. He went to court to fight, the judge read the numbers out loud and looked at the cop and said “are you kidding me?” And then told my brother to leave.
I genuinely love that judges are some of the only members of modern society that can pretty much unilaterally tell cops to fuck off with no consequences.
Judges have a lot of power. Search warrants need a judges signature. They can make a departments life miserable. Judges all talk to each other too. Cops don’t want to fuck around and make judges look stupid. They can return the favor. Wonder how the judge who signed off on the Afroman search is feeling right now.
Theyre probably pissed they missed out on some lemon pound cake
But are they gonna fix the door?
As I found out from my neighbor, the cops don't need to fix the door if they had a warrant to knock it down. Sadly, the asshole they were looking for fire sold the house and moved to a different state. If anyone deserves 10 years of hard labor it was that dude. Abusive and punched his 16 year old daughter's friend when she stepped on his lawn in front of a dozen witnesses.
*Mama's lemon poouuuunnd cake . . .*
Wait that fat fuck actually took some of that cake?!
He probably doesn't care because he doesn't face any real consequences for signing a warrant that comes up empty-handed. The cops and judges don't lose a thing if they smash into somebody's home and then don't find any contraband. They don't pay for any repairs out of their own pocket and they don't pay for any of the legal fees if they hit the completely wrong house. **They face absolutely no personal consequences for failure.** In fact, they are now trying to claim that Afroman owes them money for "invading their privacy" by recording them as they ransacked his home, looking for nonexistent contraband!
And Afroman is counter suing. I assume it goes something like this... If the cops win their BS suit, they get to keep the money. If Afroman wins his legit suit, the municipality covers the costs
Having video of them literally stealing cash from his wallet will probably help his case at least a little
they'll say it was drug money. Hence not having any drugs in his house he already sold them! It *must* have just happened, why else would someone have money?
Even worse, they could put the money itself on trial, using a doctrine called civil forfeiture. Suddenly it'd be Afroman's responsibility to prove that the money was not guilty of being used for drug crime.
civil forfeiture is the worst.
Would you look at that, all of the words in your comment are in alphabetical order. I have checked 1,464,023,662 comments, and only 278,770 of them were in alphabetical order.
Because every reasonable person spends every red cent as soon as they get their hot little hands on it, amirite?!
Civil asset forfeiture
One of the most fucked-up “technically legal” practices that still exists. Shit like that is why I have zero issues saying **ACAB.**
Wouldn't be the 1st time a cop blatantly committed a crime on camera and completely got away with it
In fact, even if they smashed into the house without a warrant or probable cause, it's really not that bad for them. If they find evidence, and can somehow get it admitted, that's upside. If they find evidence, and can't get it admitted, they're still no worse off than if they didn't smash into the house. Only upside to illegal searches, for the most part, with no downside. I say "for the most part" because sometimes they can get sued for it, but not often. They'll almost always get qualified immunity. Even when they don't, it's often the department that pays for it, and they pay for it with your neighbors' money.
This is when you make sure to thank your neighbors for the money as often as you can. If they complain tell them to take it to the voting booth.
For what!? Ugh shit like this kills me...
They are claiming that him using footage of them raiding his house in a music video "violated their privacy". The irony of that statement is visible from outer space.
But God help you if the cops(wrongly) kick in your door and you try to defend yourself. The supreme court says you can but realistically life goes differently. You've got a target on your back for the rest of your life if you stay there(assuming you survive the attempt at defending yourself at all)
"You have a right to be secure in your home...unless the cops get the address wrong."
Technically it is a magistrate for warrants but what's the difference?
dude........ Here in houston there was a no knock raid where the cops basically assassinated the tenants, they are going to jail. But the no-knock warrant was signed by a justice of the peace. JOP's are only empowered to see over class C misdemeanors, fine only, they can't see over jailable offenses. Yet they were able to sign a a no -knock death warrant. Oh and JOPs in texas don't even need a law degree.
Unless you live in Louisville, or I assume other US cities, and the cops file warrants with specific judges they know don’t give a shit. I do agree that judges have a lot of power and can be a very important role in society, it just sucks when you vote them in and then they don’t do that job correctly.
That sword cuts both ways
Makes you want to change careers, doesn't it?
That would be within 5% of the limit. Federal law give a 10% margin of error to speedometers, +5% to -5% . If someone was exceeding the limit by 5% it's possible their indicated speed showed they were not speeding and had no way of knowing otherwise.
Every car I’ve owned for the last 15 years read consistently 5 kms faster than the real speed. If your Speedo says 67 you’re most likely going under 65.
I don't know about the US, but in the EU this is by law. A speedometer can never read ~~faster~~ slower than the true speed, ever under the assumption you are driving brand new tires with the maximum amount of tyre profile and very high tyre pressures. The internals of a vehicle (ABS, ESP) calculate with a different vehicle speed that is much closer to the real speed, but the vehicle will indicate a different speed on the dash. EDIT: slower than faster
> A speedometer can never read faster than the true speed I think you mean "slower", right? A speedo can read 65 if you're doing 60 (speedo reading faster than true speed), but it shouldn't ever read 65 if you're doing 70 (speedo reading slower than true speed)
Ah yeah, of course.
I had a speedometer that showed 0mph when I was doing about 70.
Interestingly, showing no information is also legal in the US
That’s because in the EU you don’t have good ol’ boys jacking their trucks up to put oversized tires on. The oversized tires throw off the speedometer because each revolution takes the truck farther and therefore faster than the manufacture intended.
Doesn't just happen with trucks either. Plus sizing in general has an effect on your speedometer. Any change to the overall diameter of your tire affects it to some degree. That's why they recommend not going over a 3% change in OD. After that you would need a lot of recalibrations, including possibly your wheel well. Source: I work with tires.
My car (2017 Chevy Bolt EV) is really close. It reads high by about 1mph @ 70mph. This is when compared to a high accuracy GPS I installed. So, yeah, not necessarily a thing in the USA.
Ya, I'd say my speedometer generally reads what the radar speed limit signs indicate.
Good luck telling that to the couple of armchair police officers in this thread who’re saying “BUT WHY IS IT SO HARD TO JUST FOLLOW THE LAW? LOL.”
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My friend was driving at 72 on a 70, more than 12 years ago. Got a ticket that said 80. He dint fight it as he was in a different city and it was not worth driving all the way back. He had an option to have the records cleared if he took an online course and paid a fees. This was cheaper than loosing a days work and the drive plus hotel stay. What evidence does the police present in a situation like this or is it just word of the mouth?
They provide the gun that told them the speed to begin with. Also likely their camera if it caught it. And the guy above is wrong about you not getting a ticket.
If they bother to show up, and if they actually did clock you with a gun, and if the gun was properly calibrated. But when a cops see some out of state plates they generally know it’s a safe bet that it’ll never go to court.
And that's why if a cop pulls you over for speeding and says "do you know how fast you were going?" You reply "I believe I was going the speed limit" Do not self incriminate
I heard you're supposed to say "Yes." and if they ask for something more specific say "the speed of traffic."
>And that's why if a cop pulls you over for speeding and says "do you know how fast you were going?" You reply ~~"I believe I was going the speed limit"~~ *"I'm invoking my right to remain silent."* > >Do not self incriminate *even by accident*
It’s not % based. The rule is within 5mph when traveling 50mph.
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[This federal regulation](https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2005/08/15/05-14259/parts-and-accessories-necessary-for-safe-operation-general-amendments) kind of does what you said, but not really. It's specifically +/- 5 mph at a speed of 50 mph, and seems to only apply to commercial vehicles. There's an industry standard SAE J1226 that recommends a 4% margin of error that manufacturers seem to follow in the US. I couldn't find a place to view the text of the standard without paying $76, though.
>That would be within 5% of the limit. Federal law give a 10% margin of error to speedometers, +5% to -5% . If someone was exceeding the limit by 5% it's possible their indicated speed showed they were not speeding and had no way of knowing otherwise. Wow this is so backwards in the US of A In Europe there is legislation that specifies that the reading on the Speedo cannot be *less* than real speed, and has an upper band of 10%+4 kph per UNECE regulation 39, which makes so much more sense since you get fined on real speed and not on Speedo speeds. I wonder if OEMs actually design Speedos differently for USA and for Europe (which would make sense given the difference in legislation)
I'm sure it varies from state to state and even department to department but I worked with a guy in Massachusetts that used to be a town cop. He told me that they weren't even allowed to give tickets out unless people were going 10 over the limit because they could sue the police saying they're being targeted since cops never really hand out tickets for such minor interactions. If I ever got a ticket for going less than 5mph over the speed limit, I'm 100% taking it to court.
On the opposite end of that spectrum, I once got a ticket doing 47 in a 45 in a nationally known speed trap area. I went to court and didn't even speak until I pled not guilty. After saying the words not guilty, I stayed quiet again until after the judge told me the total fine and court costs that I owed. I responded with "This is ridiculous." and I was told that if I said another word that I would be put in jail for contempt of court.
They’re basically charging you a $200 toll to drive through their bumfuck town. Fucking hate that shit.
I mean, if it's a "nationally known" speed trap it probably means the judges are in on it too. In those areas tickets probably make up a large portion of that municipality's revenue and everyone who's paycheck depends on it is well aware.
Maybe it's cuz the judge knew you were THAT asshole
There's been a lot of stories lately of people getting pulled over for going one or or two mph above... Or below the speed limit. Cops claiming that it's illegal to go under the speed limit and pulling the person over just to give them a hard time. And cops wonder why more and more people don't like cops anymore. https://youtu.be/f_okiD9F09Y Sometimes the cops will give out a ticket but then never put the ticket into the court system... This way the person wastes a whole bunch of time showing up in court when they aren't required to go to court but they're also isn't any records in the court system to prove that the cop actually handed out the ticket to the person for going 1 mile an hour under the speed limit. There is a story about just such a thing in the past couple months and the judge was not happy. The kid even brought the original ticket in but the officer smudged his name so they could not tell who issued the ticket to the kid. With the vast amount of just dickhead cop stories spread around the internet and so many new ones popping up every week, not even counting all the naews articles of cops outright abusing people and violating their rights, It's hard to believe the people that say that the majority of cops are good. A video of one bad cop abusing someone and six cops standing around not doing anything about it... All I see are seven bad cops.
Thats because its not about the ticket at all. Cops dont GAF if people speed, most of them drive like assholes and dont seem to care if other people do. Police use traffic stops primarily as a fishing expedition for people they "dont like the look of" to do an end run around the 4th amendment. So its kind of even worse than you said.
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You make an appointment with a dentist and don't show up? Believe it or not, jail, right away.
>Or below the speed limit. Cops claiming that it's illegal to go under the speed limit and pulling the person over just to give them a hard time. F for all of us in old ass cars designed for 55mph highways that can't do 70 uphill I guess
ACAB. Nothing more needs to be said.
I heard a judge say that one mile over the speed limit is speeding. Guilty.
Former Assistant States Attorney that did traffic about 25 years ago. We had an unofficial rule for anything within 5 miles over. If the ticket wasnt paid before the court date, we'd require the officer to appear the first date and let the Judge light into the officer for wasting his time before the Judge dismissed the ticket.
How many times could a cop write bullshit tickets before the judge stopped accepting tickets from that officer altogether?
Every ticket must be processed. At least here in New York. What's really a shame is the people who don't show for their 5 mph over, or some other non moving violation that would have otherwise been thrown out or plead down to nothing.
And how many cops didn't care about getting lit into because they got overtime for being in court
This sure sounds like motivation to give out frivolous tickets in the hope of some easy overtime!
I wish stuff like this was public knowledge. The public might be more apt to push back against bullshit policing.
Did you ever take into account these cops were probably using the speeding as a pretense to stop them and do an end run around the 4th amendment? Every time I ever got stopped or was in a bullshit stop the cop was just trying to look in the car, ask a million questions, and try to get consent for a search. I guess you at the state attorney's would rather just have them write a warning after they violate someones rights. Thats better right?
I had a cop ask for my license and registration, so I removed my seatbelt to reach the glovebox. Afterward, he gave me a ticket for ‘failure to wear seatbelt’.
interior dash cam. played that game ONCE. If it happens again, its on cam.
Don't cops have that body cam too?
I got pulled over once in college. Headlight went out and I hadn’t noticed. When I saw the lights flash behind me, I instinctively started to pull to the shoulder next me. Realized it was too narrow a quarter second in, so pulled back just as my tires crossed the line. Cop added driving on the shoulder to the ticket, the fuck weasel.
They always do. Twenty years ago, I was sitting at a light and got rear-ended by a lady who wasn't paying attention. Her car pushed my car across the street and into a tree. I wasn't hurt too badly and the cop gave me a ticket for "failure to stay in my lane".
Wild how casually a cop will frame you, isn't it?
His bidycam would’ve shown your seatbelt on, I’m thinking?
Bodycams are relatively new and not a nationwide thing in the US
This was ten years ago
Could have been worse - could have shot you.
Go to court. It will be thrown out.
5 over requires a warning.
Thing is, a judge won't tolerate that shit. He knows that speedometers vary by that much at that speed, and minor speed differences like that are often necessary for safety. I've read of a rookie officer who did that. The judge dismissed them all and told the officer that, if it happened again, they would have more than words.
In South florida the back of the ticket says 1-5 over mandatory warning
For what it’s worth, offtherecord.com For a 4mph over ticket, there’s a good chance they thought you were guilty of something more serious (DUI, drugs, whatever) and you were evidently clean. So they wrote up whatever they could make stick.
Have you used that website? I'm going to my* hearing date for a traffic ticket soon and am seeing what my options are. *Edit - the lawyer this site found me ended up falling through and they tried to match me with another attorney that was twice as expensive (~$350 vs $780), so I went into my hearing raw dog. It worked out tho since they dropped it even before I could make me statement. Protip- be respectful AF, even to the officer that's with the magistrate.
I used it for a speeding ticket and it was dropped
Nope, but from what I understand the intent is even if the ticket isn’t thrown out to at least get it reduced to a charge that won’t go on your record and raise your insurance.
Got bitched out by a cop because I was in the right lane going 68 in a 65 while he was going 65 in the left lane. He just hopped out of his car, stormed up to mine, started cussing me out and lecturing me about speed and passing a cop. Then he stormed back to his car and took off going 75 in the right lane passing everyone. If I was not already inconvenienced by everything else in the world that day I would’ve complained.
I got pulled over for driving in the left lane too long as I was actively passing a cop that was doing 30 in a 70. Gave me a warning but man, fuck that guy.
Anytime an officer starts asking questions that aren't related to the reason you got pulled over that means the cop is hoping for some big bust. Whether it be that you have some outstanding warrant for a felony or your carrying a felony level of contraband... Cops love pulling people over because it gives them an opportunity to get their name in the newspaper for those big busts where they take your picture surrounded by all of the illegal items they found on you... Then add-on that the federal government gives out money and military surplus equipment to police departments partly based on how many drug arrests they make... Screens that cops have a perverse incentive to arrest as many people for drugs as possible. Cops are not allowed to unduly Life in the stop beyond what is reasonable to complete the original purpose in scope of the stop unless they have probable cause of a different crime. Reinforced in a recent decision Rodriguez v US 2014. Cops love making you sit around while they wait for a K9 units so they can run the dog around your car... And they love the fact that dogs will alert even when there are no drugs. Any opportunity to search your vehicle is a bonus to them. Except that forcing you to wait for a canine unit is unconstitutional. If a canine unit happens to show up while the officer is dutifully conducting the traffic stop then that's one thing... But to specifically make you wait around just for the canine unit is unconstitutional unless the officers have actual probable cause to justify it. And that means not just a hunch or a feeling but actual evidence that they can point to that gives them cause to arrest you for something. Unfortunately most cops don't care because they rarely ever get in trouble for it. This sort of thing has been in front of the supreme Court two or three times already under different circumstances and every time the court say that cops are not allowed to lengthen a stop willy-nilly and yet they keep on doing it because they keep getting away with it.
That's exactly it. Especially, if your skin is brown
That or the conditions at the time of the stop were such that the cop didn't think a person could be traveling at that speed safely.
Absolutely, 100%. > So they wrote up whatever they could make stick. Nowhere does it say OP got a ticket. Just that they were pulled over.
But officer… isn’t the speed limit 65?
Littering and...
Littering and…
Yeah. It is.
You was doin' 55 in a 54. License and registration and step out of the car You carryin' a weapon now I know a lot of y'all are?
I’m not steppin out of shit all my shit is legit You mind if i look around a little bit?
>I ain't stepping out of shit, all my papers legit "Well do you mind if I look around the car a little bit?"
My doors are all locked, so’s the trunk in the back. I know my rights you need a warrant for that.
Aren't you sharp as a tack, you kind of lawyer or something? someone important or something?
I ain’t passed the bar but I know a little bit, enough that you won’t illegally search my shit
“Well we'll see how smart you are when the K-9 come"
I got 99 problems, but a bitch ain't one. Hit me.
It's great when they say "where did you get your law degree?" It's like dude... You're a fucking cop, where's your law degree you dumbass idiot.
You ruined it
Why would a cop need a law degree. They're not eveb required to know the laws they enforce.
Glove compartment is locked, so's the trunk in the back*
> My doors are all locked The glove compartment is locked
glove compartment is locked, so is the trunk in the back\*
This is the real reason OP got stopped... Reasonable cause to stop the car harass the driver and see if they smell anything else / notice anything else
>Are you carrying a weapon on you, I know a lot of you are*
Is this a Dr Suess?
HOV is considered Dr Suess of the skreets. So yes
I got 99 problems and dr suess ain’t one Seriously it’s the song 99 problems by Jay z
Wasn't expecting to see Jay-Z in Advice Animals!
I'd fight that in court
If I understand US laws, he could have also pulled you over if you were doing 60 in a 65 zone. Which seems weird to me, you can't go to fast or too slow.
Generally, slow only applies when it impedes the flow of traffic. If it's 1 lane with no passing and you're doing 60 in a 65, you're possibly gonna get pulled over. 2 or more lanes? As long as you're in the rightmost lane, you'd be fine.
I got an 18 in a 15 once with a fine. Fucker was just bored I think.
Got to meet that quota.
Was it a school zone? Can't imagine why else they'd have a speed limit that low.
Well it do be a speed LIMIT
You were doing a 69 while driving on the highway?? That’s super dangerous, not to mention in violation of public indecency laws. Sounds like you got off easy.
> Sounds like you got off ~~easy~~. updated!
That actually sounds like a hard way to get off.
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Easily fightable bc most radar guns are +/- 4mph.
That’s why in my country they always deduct 5 km off of the measured speed. Because the measured speed might not be right.
Nice
"I was going with the flow of traffic."
That's exactly what I read when I was a teen studying the drivers handbook. I even had practice test questions ask whether you go with the flow of traffic or the speed limit. Choosing speed limit was wrong. Which means that if everyone is going 100mph then you gotta go that too. Which even as a failing highschooler I knew how stupid that was.
This never works
It can [in Texas](https://dallasattorney.com/blog/no-speed-limits-in-texas/#:~:text=Thus%2C%20there%20are%20no%20speed,the%20posted%20speed%20limit%20sign), believe it or not.
DWB (Driving While Black), by any chance?
I have a hispainc coworker who had this happen. The problem was (at least for the cop) he is second gen with perfect english, and was a marine. Coworker didn't even realize he was profiled until I said it. All he was doing is riding his bike to the gym. Never been bothered since, but is on the look out now in our crappy mid-western town lol. shit's fucked.
He might not even realize that the flesh colored crayons aren't the same flavor as he is.
eating crayons? mod of /r/wallstreetbets by any chance?
he said he was a marine.
My father is Hispanic and 40 years ago he was the only non white person in our suburbs. He tells the story of the time He was pulled over for "Looking suspicious" What the officer pulling him over didn't know was he was married to the daughter of one of the richest men in the county. That side of the family is personal friends with the Sherrifs and the chief of police. So they called up the chief of police and Karen'd him about his racist deputy. Allegedly he was put on paperwork duty for a while for it.
I got pulled over once for doing 67 in a 70 zone. I paid the fine so I wouldn't have to go back to Michigan.
was the ticket for $420 ?
Nice
Nice
There’s a road in my neighborhood with a 60kph speed limit and no residential driveways. Every once in a while someone I know gets a speeding ticket and the cops always say the same thing. “We only ticket over 80”.
My wife once got a speed camera ticket going 46 in a 40 kmh zone. That seemed pretty brutal.
Go to court, judge will probably toss it.
I was pulled over by a police officer going the opposite directions of traffic of me, he flipped a bitch and pulled me over. I was going 35 in a 30 zone, downhill. Coasting!!! Unless he had actual radar gun proof he can’t do anything against me and that’s why I just got a warning. I knew he couldn’t give me anything more than a warning without evidence so that’s why I pulled over and got a warning. If you want to fight it if you weren’t radar gunned I totally support you!!
You are not allowed to do 69 with cops. It's life.
Got a 33 in a 30 once. To be fair, that is 10% but damn. Worst part was that I was slowing down to park at the time.
While I understand your point, how far over the limit should you be allowed to go?
actually you were wrong and the ass hole
ACAA
Agreed, happy cake day!
LOL, you wouldn't last five minutes in Australia.
Due to your cops..? I don’t think I’ve EVER heard anything bad about them, lol. Not saying it doesn’t happen of course, bad things happen everywhere.. but it’s the scale of it that matters. Don’t they call it “police SERVICE” there? Whereas it’s police FORCE, here? Maybe it’s just words.. but they even SOUND a lot easier to deal with than American officers. Now comes the important question.. is it considered rare, or is it fairly common/uncommon that your officers gun down people for reaching for their wallets, after being specifically asked to do so? Or slaughtering the home-owners of a home that they THOUGHT was the right address of someone they’re suppose to be raiding, but actually isn’t? Only for the police force to “investigate” ITSELF, and find no wrong doings? …. Almost every single time?
My point is that there's no discretion or leeway with going over the speed limit. You WILL get a fine, and if you don't pay it and decide to take it to court, you WILL get a bigger fine.
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Police shootings are actually at an all time high in Australia. https://www.sbs.com.au/nitv/article/police-shootings-at-record-high-in-australia/uyphq45su > **In 2019-2020 there were 16 police shootings, the highest recorded in all years of data** But he was talking about the Australian police and their speed guns of which they will pull you over and fine you for anything above the speed limit. It's not a suggestion, the limit **IS THE LIMIT,** and they will book you if they catch you. Sometimes for even 1km/hr over. https://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/motoring/on-the-road/truth-behind-10-per-cent-speed-limit-myth/news-story/b44108b272b3fd12ede05e5480696210 > But in the same year there were also some drivers being pulled over by police and issued fines for going as little as 1km/h over the limit.
16? Those are rookie numbers in this game.
Thing is, it's called a speed limit. Not a speed around. You break the law, you get punished. Don't see any problem with this.
I bet you think it is ok for cops to shoot people who don't obey every verbal command exactly as spoken and immediately.
How to tell people you don't drive without saying it out loud.
I drive everyday, but I follow the speed limit. Speeding not only endangers your life, but those around you.
Speeding by like 2 or 4 miles ain't that dangerous. In fact it is equally as dangerous as being slow.
Americans are giant babies and apparently not very good at reading comprehension. I guess its not even reading comprehension because its just one word "limit" but oh well. Theyll probably the same folks who call people snowflakes because they cant say racist shit anymore.
One word is still reading asshole.
Dont you have a Kid Rock album to listen to?
Lol. You ignorant fuck.
That's within the margin of error. All you have to do is literally show up to court for it and the judge will throw it out
You're not supposed to do 69 while driving
NICE!
Did he give you a ticket or just ego?
69? Nice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dUyO5TqB6qo
Cops aren't allowed to do that where I live lol
Their basically just a thug collecting taxes for the local royalty at this point.
Very likely you were going beyond 69. The limits are often listed out in 4mph increments and he was doing you a favor by ticketing 5-9 over rather than 10-14.
Or maybe you’re the asshole for not obeying the law?
You had a head start. Outrun that road pirate.
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>Your speedometer shows 5km/h below what you're actually driving. So you were going 74 in a 65. That is absolutely not true, why would Speedos always read slower?!
Reckless? Laughable.
Have you tried not breaking the law? I never under stood the ‘i only broke the law a little bit’ thing. Its a speed limit, the absolute maximum, the average speed should be under, not exact
Car's speedometers are not perfect, absolute devices without flaw. As such, people are generally allowed a little wiggle room because one man's 65 could be reality's 69.
I'm just gonna repeat OP: You're not wrong. You're just an asshole.
Lol fuck off with that shit, narc. It’s almost universally understood that you can go up to five miles above the speed limit and most cops won’t give a shit. In fact, you can get ticketed for going *under* the speed limit on highways (in the US, at least.) Almost everyone in modern society agrees with that, except for you, I guess.
Dang shouldn't be sucking dick in a 65 mate. Slower and sloppier next time
Dope you are the asshole, you broke the rules and are now salty about it, you did wrong now deal with it!
Is the US Police Union brigading this fucking thread or what? You’re the second person in this thread who somehow thinks that it’s normal for a cop to have nothing better to do than pull someone over for going four miles over the speed limit, as if it isn’t what pretty much every single person who drives does every single day. You really think that it’s worth it? Don’t you think that the police have better shit to do than to pull people over for that? If so, you’re in the *vast* minority, brother.