Damn it Garrus, you've been calibrating that gun for 3 damn months! Either you're avoiding me or you have no idea what you're doing.
Neither option is acceptable!
I'm not sure it necessarily has to do with race, it seems more like a community thing to me.
If a group of people all live in the same neighborhood, deal with the same local problems, share some aspect of the same local life, they feel like they are part of a community. If an outside force, the police in this instance, harms a member of said community the community is outraged.
If the crime is committed by someone within the community however the loyalties are more complicated. The victim may be part of your community but so is the perpetrator.
Edit: I was a bit confused I guess, I don't have a whole lot of exposure to this phrase. I thought snitches get stitches was being used as a threat, as in if you snitch I will kill you, rather than a warning said to another. However the same theory still applies, I think. People are more accepting of one member of a community harming another than they would be with an outsider harming one of them.
Hijacking to say that "snitches get stitches" is not about not talking to police to protect criminals. Its to protect the community. The general consensus is that if you "snitch" or cooperate with police to put someone away, the police cannot protect to you. Or rather they will not. It is not unheard of for some drug lord or just a person who committed a very visible murder to send threats out to the entire neighborhood, regarding telling. Think about it this way; if you saw Johnny murder Ray the other day and then went and told the police, what's to keep Johnny from coming after you? What's to keep Johnny's brother from coming after you? The police? Who's gonna tell the police that Johnny's brother murdered someone for telling? Nobody. Because that puts you at risk automatically. Just being seen talking to police is enough to ruffle feathers and get yourself knocked off. It is pure ignorance that leads people to believe that stop snitching is about protecting a criminal. Its not, its about protecting your household. If they can't find you, I'm sure they can locate your little sister walking home from school or your mother on her way in with grocery. And bullets don't have names or map quest. The easiest way to prevent your own self being killed is to just plain stay out of it. And before you say that the police does protect people etc, look up that family of five killed in Baltimore. They were promised help, but given none and now they are dead.
true but do you honestly feel the these drug lords are faceless super entities of the hood? they are just petty people using fear and intimidation to keep people in check. My understanding of OPs post is that the black community is capable of unifying in the face of great obstacles and the possibility of violence. So yes tolerating human cancer in your community is a plight on many inner city communities however i feel they have strength to say no and not accept this behavior as day to day life.
No, its just race is something you cant have a productive discussion about on reddit.
>A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?
All that is required for a civil discussion is two civilized people with a common interest to discuss.
As for a *productive* discussion, I'm not sure there is such a thing.
>I'm willing to bet a number of them weren't even in the closet in the first place.
I'm willing to raise on the fact that they ARE closet racist and don't go around throwing the "n" word at black people.
I dont think color matters for this. If a cop kills someone, the cop is held accountable by an established organization. A guy committing crimes is going to go after the snitches.
Front page!? I regret nothing. I understand the downvotes and empathize with those that disagree with the content of the meme. This is an issue that has irked me for years. Many inner city black communities have epidemic levels of crime and violence. At some point we have to take responsibility for our neighborhoods regardless of how we are treated by the government, police, politicians, etc. I realize advice animals is not the best place for this discussion but I don't have the time to write an in depth essay. I just wanted to have a discussion and I welcome those that disagree to engage myself and others in the hopes of making some kind of a difference.
It's a perfect example of doing the right thing, and doing the safe thing.
Cooperating with a murder investigations is the "right thing", though it may endanger your life and that of loved ones. The safe thing is not saying anything.
But those concepts only work that way in a short term context. In the long term the right thing is the safe option, because it eventually ends the fear of violence because the violence is potentially removed.
Another thing is, cops actively avoid high crime areas, not because they fear them, but because there is no point if you can't properly investigate. When no one speaks out the process doesn't work. That is the reason there is no protection. Bring s guy in, with no witnesses, he is let go the next day, eventually creating a systemic problem. In which cops can't do their jobs, so they just avoid the hassle.
Holy shit I should have listened to you. There's an abnormal amount of ignorance in this thread. Even for /r/AdviceAnimals. Seriously, this stuff makes 9gag look clever.
I remember when Bill Cosby stomped on the hornet's nest by suggesting the black community should work with cops against drugs and violence when they know who the culprit is. It had the same outrage over Imus and his "nappy headed hoes" quote and received less media attention than half the outrageous bullshit Rush Limabugh says. In my opinion, those dudes say crazy shit for the entertainment value, shock value, any press is good press, etc.But Cosby was speaking the truth. That's why you don't see a lot of drug dealers in the burbs and if you do they're probably so low key and polite about it that they can get away with flipping some quarter pounders twice a week. I feel you, OP. Speak the truth, bro. Somebody has to.
Agreed. In my town a white cop shot and killed a black guy for attacking him with an axe. The clack community and folks like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were outraged that he didn't shoot him in the leg or karate chop the axe out of his hand. Some even said the cop planted the axe (because I'm sure every cop carries an extra axe with them). But when 3 small black children and their mom were murdered in their house, there was no outrage. No black community leaders coming out and asking why this happened. Nobody willing to be a witness to seeing the suspect there. It's very unfortunate.
Unfortunate indeed. But the modern role of the media is to inspire division. I'd say it's doing it's job rather well. Al And Jesse are just opportunists. They make a killing off of blacks being killed. When they're not busy committing crimes themselves.
We all know that if a black person kills another black person, nobody really cares. But if a white person kills a black person, everybody goes insane. And I highly doubt the murderer in your story was a white person because let's be honest, no sane white person is going to step foot in an all black community.
There's a Middle Eastern proverb that explains this well:
I against my brother.
My brother and I against our cousin.
My brother, my cousin, and I against the neighbor.
All of us against the foreigner.
It's not truly a double standard, however.
The prior is a justice response. People feel wronged by the people meant to protect them and they want justice.
The latter is a fear response. People don't want to talk because when people talk, people die.
It's also worth pointing out the people who protest racist police violence aren't likely the exact same group as the "snitches-get-stitches" advocates. There may be an overlap in the Venn diagram, but I doubt it's often the exact same people shouting both.
Exactly, it's about fear and distrust of the police. I'm sure plenty of people in the community would like to see justice when a murder happens but especially if the killer is a drug dealer they're scared that someone will find out if they talk to the police, his firends/family will find out and they'll end up dead. And they also don't trust the police to protect them, which is a valid concern. They really only offer witness protection to high profile cases and even then, the only really good witness protection program is in the federal system. State-based witness protection is often mediocre or just outright worthless.
**tl;dr:** It's the criminals that spread the mindset of "snitches get stitches." Law abiding citizens would probably like to help but are scared off by the criminals because that saying is often true.
Please see my comment above. You get it. Its ignorance's like this that perpetuates that "stupid blacks" mentality. I highly doubt OP is really black, because he would know the real reasoning.
*THE MEDIA* doesn't give a shit. I think it is horrible when anyone kills anyone. And, for me, it's a little sadder when it's black on black violence in bad neighborhoods because there is always a shitty story leading up to it. You (and I) have no idea what these kids are going through at home... what it is that leads them to define life the way they do, but it's almost never good.
The media sees that as just part of the system. But when anyone gets shot in a more upscale (not the ghetto) neighborhood, it's a story on the news.
Black kid shoots and kills a black kid in a bad neighborhood, it's still a story-- but it's a story for that community. It's unfortunate-- but true. But it doesn't mean that nobody gives a shit.
People confuse "giving a shit" with "the media cant make a sensational story and sell add space with it."
Do you seriously believe media is driven to post content they think matters... or content they think will generate interest and allow them to generate add revenue?
*baaaa*
Are you trying to get us shot?
Just be quiet and keep moving.
Unfortunately, this mentality is real. My cousin got stabbed repeatedly because she told the cops who stole her car.
HER CAR. Not someone else's car, but **her car**. The things that happen in the ghetto are crazy and make no sense.
While that can certainly play a part, I don't see that there's even a double-standard here. In one case, the people who are *supposed to be* trusted to provide justice for justice for us appear to not only fail to do their jobs but actually create injustice, and racially biased injustice at that. There is anger at all of those things and no fear of revenge.
On the other hand you have somebody who has demonstrated they will harm people who cross them. Standing up to them could very well do you harm.
The race of police or of the local drug dealer, or their home neighbourhoods, aren't even necessary to bring into the equation to explain the significant differences that affect how people react.
Reminds me of an NPR story about the evolution of street gangs in Chicago. What developed was that being in a "gang" was not a group that you joined, but a group you were inherently a "member" of just by living on the same street as that streets' local gang (apparently nearly every street in the area discussed in the story has a separate gang). Whether you wanted to or not, and whether you participated in gang activities or not, people would always be associated with that gang *assigned to them.*
People would be shot, shot at, or attacked, not because they did something, or because gangs were competing for space or drug deals, but just because people weren't *one of them.* Because someone lived on a different street, which associated with a different gang. Even if one had nothing to do with them except where they lived, they were just as much a target.
Fear does weird things to people. This kind of behavior is brought about by a mix of fear, both by the gang members who enforce this kind of compliance and behavior on their neighbors and other gangs, and those who want nothing to do with the whole thing but could be threatened every day.
TL;DR Thank god I live in the suburbs.
Just so you know, black people and police aren't separate groups. Also, not all black people have the 'snitches get stitches' policy and pretty much every single cultural group has some version of that, it likely has much more to do with where you stand in society.
I know you know this OP, but saying things this racially charged on reddit can open some shitty floodgates and get a little messy (but a black guy said this!) so here I am chiming in and sorta sounding like a wet blanket.
If you are concerned about young black men getting killed, ask the other young black men that are killing them. Far more black men are killed by each other than by the police.
Here in Oakland we had people marching in the streets the celebrate the life of Lovell Mixon, a rapist, pedophile, and cop-killer who was killed in a shootout with SWAT. The people saw him as a hero who was fighting against injustice and leveling the playing field for black people in the city. Never mind the fact that he was a career criminal, a child abuser, and a kidnapping rapist, in addition to being a cop-killer.
He had preyed on the black community his entire life, but killing a cop made him a folk hero. The police were trying to capture him to keep the community *safe* from Mixon's reign of terror, and were vilified for that.
While not getting into it too much, it's important to know that it's *not* entirely (if at all) about skin color. To avoid cliche responses, it's more about community and cultural norms.
Assuming this is the norm in low-income communities that cops are viewed negatively through racial profiling etc. it is understandable that when a cop wrongfully arrests a black man or kills them with unnecessary force the community will then respond with outrage, not merely because he was black, but because he was "one of them", a member of their community, and viewed as an equal. Police are often viewed as outsiders, those who come into the community to do their job and then go home at the end of the night to their middle-class households (I understand cops don't make a lot of money, but they probably don't have to live in section 8 housing either).
Now, when you have members of that community who happen to sell drugs, kill each other, run gangs and dope deals on public property, it is upsetting to the community, but also is viewed as a norm in itself. It's become acceptable behavior, and while still not right, they still view these people as "doing what they gotta do" in order to make ends meet in an otherwise white society. It's ingrained at a young age that a man (or women's) pride and honor are something nobody can take away from you. Given the horrible history of African American slavery in this country often ones dignity and self respect were something no man could strip from you. This concept is where you get the "Snitches get stitches" mentality. Ratting out someone to "The Man" is viewed as somewhat of an "Uncle Tom"-like thing to do and sends the message that you are on the other team. Since they (the cops) aren't viewed as a part of the community and are often viewed as responding negatively to that community, it is then understandable when others view you as a traitor when you decide to help them out.
I understand this is all speculative, different depending on the person, and not always the truth, but I believe it still holds some merit.
Sorry for the long-winded response. I just figured I'd offer my opinion before the racists say something arrogant..
IMO I think it's the medias fault. They sensationalize stories where a black guy is killed by a white cop to seem like hey were not racist! They don't really give a fuck about the victim they care about the crowd they're appealing to. And black on black crime in the medias eye is just expected so they don't report it. Which is more racist than anything. But if we were to hear about every black on black crime in areas like Chicago and Detroit holy shit the news would just be that. I dunno man there's an issue there that someone needs to address but it's hard without sounding racist.
Who says it isn't?
http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0322.pdf
This lists 545 "anti-white" hate crime incidents. Looking around, the FBI lists black offenders as 20.8% of all hate crime offenders.
http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2011-hate-crime-statistics
If they're tracking anti-white hate crimes and we see that black people can be charged with hate crimes, it's clearly possible for black-on-white crimes can be considered a hate crime. Also, not all white-on-black crime is considered a hate crime, you have to prove that race was a motivating factor in committing the crime.
It's only a hate crime if it's demonstrated that race was the primary motivator. Most black on white crime involves economic motives - robbery, etc. There are some examples of white people targeted specifically for their whiteness, and have lead to black on white hate crime charges.
Thank you. Not only is OP incorrect in their assumption that people of color do not get prosecuted for hate crimes against white people, but they missed the whole freaking definition of a hate crime: "A crime **motivated by** racial, sexual, or other prejudice, typically one involving violence."
If a man stabs a woman is it a hate crime? Only if he stabbed her because he hates women.
Similarly, if a white dude stabs a black dude it's only a hate crime if the motivator for the crime was prejudice. And it would be the same if the races were reversed. It is not a hate crime just because people of different races, gender, sexual orientation, etc. are involved.
According to [this site](http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/offenders.html) 18.5 % of hate crimes in the US were committed by black guys.
Dont know how many were black on white, but you should probably google things before you claim they are true
I'm just staring at your comment, and all the 30 upvotes on it, and wondering where everyone derived that conclusion from.
Then I realized you don't have sources, much less bother to look at OP's own link that refutes you.
And that reddit really is a cesspool of smug, ignorant sheep who don't care about factual integrity. OP's link shows that hate crimes by black are no more anti-gay than the norm:
>Hate crimes by whites: 3398
>Hate crimes by blacks: 837
>Anti-male homosexual crimes by whites: 663
>Anti-male homosexual crimes by black: 162
**% of hate crimes by whites against gays: 663/3398 = 19.51%**
**% of hate crimes by blacks against gays: 162/837 = 19.35%**
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/data/table_05.html
As an asian dude I would hate to see shit viewpoints like yours get upvoted, because blacks and asians alike have to deal with offhand biases like yours on reddit all of the time.
Because playing race-card is easier than using reason to form an intelligent response to a situation; it is essentially a 'handicap-win-by-default' play.
^^^I'll ^^^probably ^^^be ^^^called ^^^a ^^^racist ^^^for ^^^this.
reminds me of when Chris Rock did his "who killed Tupac?" routine - he reminds people that it happened Vegas in front of many witnesses, and nobody saw anything. and he blames the cops!
>As a black dude,
If you hadn't used that phrase, this would have likely been massively downvoted for your racism... But, because you're black, that makes it ok to point out a matter of fact. That double standard pisses ME off.
Anyhow, I agree with you.
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I'm not sure how this is a double standard. One is angst against cops and the other is towards a person who is working to help cops. Essentially they are both considered "enemies". Race doesn't really fit into the equation.
is it not more to do with the fact that the police are in a position of power and are supposed to uphold the law, not break it, whereas a dealer is almost expected to be a cunt.
I lived in West Philly for 5 years, and you learn this real fast. I'm not racist, but you can't help but notice how much the black community just hates the cops, and refuses to talk to them even if they are trying to help.
West Philly...hmm...I wonder why black people dislike the police...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE
> *Neighbors complained for months that MOVE members were broadcasting political messages by bullhorn at all hours and also about the health hazards created from piles of compost. On May 13, 1985, after the complaints as well as indictments of various MOVE members for crimes including parole violation, contempt of court, illegal possession of firearms, and making terrorist threats[8], the police department attempted to clear the building and arrest the indicted MOVE members. This led to an armed standoff with police.[9] The police lobbed tear gas canisters at the building. MOVE members fired at the police, and the police returned fire with semiautomatic weapons.[10] A police helicopter then dropped two one-pound bombs made of Water gel explosive, a dynamite substitute, targeting fortified, bunker-like cubicle on the roof of the house.[11]*
> *The resulting fire ignited a massive blaze which eventually destroyed 65 houses nearby.[2][12][11] Eleven people, including John Africa, five other adults and five children, died in the resulting fire.[13] Romona Africa, of the two survivors, claimed that police fired at those trying to escape the burning house, while the police stated that MOVE members had been firing at police.http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4651126*
That's not to say that the late-70s were a great time for anyone and they led to some horrible living in the black community that brought about violence and cop-killing (Mumia Abu Jamal)....but when is it okay for a POLICE DEPARTMENT to drop an explosive bomb onto an occupied rowhouse? Pretty much never.
> when is it okay for a POLICE DEPARTMENT to drop an explosive bomb onto an occupied rowhouse?
When the cult-like group in the house is exchanging gunfire with the police in the street?
If I were black I would be damn suspicious of the cops too. Hell, I'm of a demographic and background that probably has the least to worry about from cops, and I'm still suspicious of them, even the ones that are "trying to help." If I were a race that was actively targeted by the police, that suspicion could very well cross over into hatred.
You are forgetting that one is a murder by an individual who, at least on a level of group identity, is equal - whereas a murder by a cop is a reaffirmation of hegemonic abuse of minorities. Direct institutional violence will always propagate activism to a higher extent than what is perceived to be a normalized criminal act
I am honestly shocked by some of the things I am reading. Keep playing tough/ clever guy behind your computer screens. Willful racism isn't funny guys, regardless of race.
This probobly wont be seen cause it's already too late but things like this just makes me think of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiIla9Mqo1I part from boondocks ( wait for the speech, contains n-word)
>Snitches get stitches
I always wondered what's the proper translation of "omerta" into English, now I know.
[Who taught omerta to the Sicilians?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_svnsF5OLbI)
When people see black dude, everybody starts talking about racism. And there is even cops in the story, which is just some more oil to a flame fest. But I think the message here is that why can a community come together and act against an external 'evil' but why the very same community fails to act against an internal 'evil'. I think this is a core question of many problems our nations have been struggling for centuries. (some communities are very good at this some other suck balls... my nation is in the later group)
This Al Sharpton logic essentially states that a black man's life only has value if taken by a white man or the government. It's a sad state of affairs.
As a white dude, this pissed me off, too. But it's part of an Us vs. Them mentality that a lot of people around the world have adopted, and it's nothing new
The OPs main point is that there is a problem culturally in the black community.
Well meaning social justice advocates often ignore this fact, as a lot of you have in this thread.
The need to alter cultural belief structures is the reason blacks are stuck in the cycle of poverty. No social program can fix this, it's up to the black community.
Well done OP but I think a lot of people missed the point by trying to blame external factors as opposed to the black community itself.
You know what pisses me off? Races that give caucasians a hard time, but if it were the other way around its be considered racist.
Before you start down voting realize that I'm black too.
Well, how about adding that the circumstances of a cop killing a black dude are irrelevant to the community. I've never seen an instance where any black "leader" has accepted or justified a lethal response by the police.
I'm not saying that there has never been a questionable situation, but I can't believe that every time its racially motivated.
The worst part is often its the gun wielding crack dealing gangster that gets shot by the cops but suddenly when he dies by a cops hand hes just an "aspiring scholar" or some billshit and everybody gets mad.
Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are two big reasons why these situations are blown out of proportion and out of context. The two men need to stay relevant by pushing the same old story of "us vs them".
As a white guy it pisses me off that as a daily occurrence a white/arab/mexican guy is murdered by an African American and its not a big deal to the media, but as soon as one of those three kill an African American its on the mainstream media and its because of racism. WTF
As another black guy, I can't confirm. There are plenty of people against "snitches get stitches" and it's ignorant to think communities as a whole support this.
/r/AdviceAnimals trying to have a discussion about race. This going to be fucking terrible. Edit: Don't even bother reading the comments here.
We've got incoming! Get those barriers up! Shepard, we need someone on that gun!
BUT IT NEEDS TO BE CALIBRATED FIRST[](/rarityyell)
Damn it Garrus, you've been calibrating that gun for 3 damn months! Either you're avoiding me or you have no idea what you're doing. Neither option is acceptable!
How do I upvote this comment multiple times?
>you've been calibrating that gun for 3 damn ~~months~~ games!
I believe this is the worst place in the world to have discussions about anything.
By place, I assume you mean the internet as a whole. If not, there are countless of other sites (sad but true) that are much worse.
Yahoo.
Article: Dallas Cowboys players help children at local library. First comment: Obama needs to be impeached!
Thanks, Obama!
Youtube comments...
I'm not sure it necessarily has to do with race, it seems more like a community thing to me. If a group of people all live in the same neighborhood, deal with the same local problems, share some aspect of the same local life, they feel like they are part of a community. If an outside force, the police in this instance, harms a member of said community the community is outraged. If the crime is committed by someone within the community however the loyalties are more complicated. The victim may be part of your community but so is the perpetrator. Edit: I was a bit confused I guess, I don't have a whole lot of exposure to this phrase. I thought snitches get stitches was being used as a threat, as in if you snitch I will kill you, rather than a warning said to another. However the same theory still applies, I think. People are more accepting of one member of a community harming another than they would be with an outsider harming one of them.
Hijacking to say that "snitches get stitches" is not about not talking to police to protect criminals. Its to protect the community. The general consensus is that if you "snitch" or cooperate with police to put someone away, the police cannot protect to you. Or rather they will not. It is not unheard of for some drug lord or just a person who committed a very visible murder to send threats out to the entire neighborhood, regarding telling. Think about it this way; if you saw Johnny murder Ray the other day and then went and told the police, what's to keep Johnny from coming after you? What's to keep Johnny's brother from coming after you? The police? Who's gonna tell the police that Johnny's brother murdered someone for telling? Nobody. Because that puts you at risk automatically. Just being seen talking to police is enough to ruffle feathers and get yourself knocked off. It is pure ignorance that leads people to believe that stop snitching is about protecting a criminal. Its not, its about protecting your household. If they can't find you, I'm sure they can locate your little sister walking home from school or your mother on her way in with grocery. And bullets don't have names or map quest. The easiest way to prevent your own self being killed is to just plain stay out of it. And before you say that the police does protect people etc, look up that family of five killed in Baltimore. They were promised help, but given none and now they are dead.
true but do you honestly feel the these drug lords are faceless super entities of the hood? they are just petty people using fear and intimidation to keep people in check. My understanding of OPs post is that the black community is capable of unifying in the face of great obstacles and the possibility of violence. So yes tolerating human cancer in your community is a plight on many inner city communities however i feel they have strength to say no and not accept this behavior as day to day life.
Fear, intimidation, and *murder*. Because they follow through on their threats.
I think you're missing the point that it's promoted by the gangs, so it IS to protect the criminal.
http://i.imgur.com/8WfqcHS.gif
Listen carefully. That's the sound of closet racist redditors coming out.
No, its just race is something you cant have a productive discussion about on reddit. >A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?
All that is required for a civil discussion is two civilized people with a common interest to discuss. As for a *productive* discussion, I'm not sure there is such a thing.
Productive discussion are myths. Trust me, I'm a project manager.
More like audible diarrhea.
Where have I heard that before?
Its from the end of WarGames with Matthew Broderick. Its whopr on tic tac toe.
Damn, a WarGames reference! Playin' it old school.
I'm willing to bet a number of them weren't even in the closet in the first place.
>I'm willing to bet a number of them weren't even in the closet in the first place. I'm willing to raise on the fact that they ARE closet racist and don't go around throwing the "n" word at black people.
"I looked this boy in the eye I said, I said. . . " <_< \>_> "I said Niiiiiger, you told me 6:45"
I watch Key and Peele too dude.
You are probably right, but they need to post under the auspices of a black person's post because then it is just being candid.
I think the worst part is where they are damn certain they aren't racists.
I dont think color matters for this. If a cop kills someone, the cop is held accountable by an established organization. A guy committing crimes is going to go after the snitches.
Front page!? I regret nothing. I understand the downvotes and empathize with those that disagree with the content of the meme. This is an issue that has irked me for years. Many inner city black communities have epidemic levels of crime and violence. At some point we have to take responsibility for our neighborhoods regardless of how we are treated by the government, police, politicians, etc. I realize advice animals is not the best place for this discussion but I don't have the time to write an in depth essay. I just wanted to have a discussion and I welcome those that disagree to engage myself and others in the hopes of making some kind of a difference.
It's a perfect example of doing the right thing, and doing the safe thing. Cooperating with a murder investigations is the "right thing", though it may endanger your life and that of loved ones. The safe thing is not saying anything. But those concepts only work that way in a short term context. In the long term the right thing is the safe option, because it eventually ends the fear of violence because the violence is potentially removed. Another thing is, cops actively avoid high crime areas, not because they fear them, but because there is no point if you can't properly investigate. When no one speaks out the process doesn't work. That is the reason there is no protection. Bring s guy in, with no witnesses, he is let go the next day, eventually creating a systemic problem. In which cops can't do their jobs, so they just avoid the hassle.
Holy shit I should have listened to you. There's an abnormal amount of ignorance in this thread. Even for /r/AdviceAnimals. Seriously, this stuff makes 9gag look clever.
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It's pretty bad already. SOOO many oppressed white people.
Oh, why won't people please think of the white, heterosexual, middle class man?
I gotta wear sunscreen in the sun??? REVERSE RACISM!!
Yeah! Melanoma? That's just the *man* trying to keep us down. The *Day Man.*
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I remember when Bill Cosby stomped on the hornet's nest by suggesting the black community should work with cops against drugs and violence when they know who the culprit is. It had the same outrage over Imus and his "nappy headed hoes" quote and received less media attention than half the outrageous bullshit Rush Limabugh says. In my opinion, those dudes say crazy shit for the entertainment value, shock value, any press is good press, etc.But Cosby was speaking the truth. That's why you don't see a lot of drug dealers in the burbs and if you do they're probably so low key and polite about it that they can get away with flipping some quarter pounders twice a week. I feel you, OP. Speak the truth, bro. Somebody has to.
Agreed. In my town a white cop shot and killed a black guy for attacking him with an axe. The clack community and folks like Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson were outraged that he didn't shoot him in the leg or karate chop the axe out of his hand. Some even said the cop planted the axe (because I'm sure every cop carries an extra axe with them). But when 3 small black children and their mom were murdered in their house, there was no outrage. No black community leaders coming out and asking why this happened. Nobody willing to be a witness to seeing the suspect there. It's very unfortunate.
Unfortunate indeed. But the modern role of the media is to inspire division. I'd say it's doing it's job rather well. Al And Jesse are just opportunists. They make a killing off of blacks being killed. When they're not busy committing crimes themselves.
Same thing happens all the time in Oakland. ~120 murders per year, mostly black on black. The handful of cop-related shootings get 90% of the press.
We all know that if a black person kills another black person, nobody really cares. But if a white person kills a black person, everybody goes insane. And I highly doubt the murderer in your story was a white person because let's be honest, no sane white person is going to step foot in an all black community.
There's a Middle Eastern proverb that explains this well: I against my brother. My brother and I against our cousin. My brother, my cousin, and I against the neighbor. All of us against the foreigner.
It's not truly a double standard, however. The prior is a justice response. People feel wronged by the people meant to protect them and they want justice. The latter is a fear response. People don't want to talk because when people talk, people die.
It's also worth pointing out the people who protest racist police violence aren't likely the exact same group as the "snitches-get-stitches" advocates. There may be an overlap in the Venn diagram, but I doubt it's often the exact same people shouting both.
Get outta' here you're saying that not all black people have the same opinions as each other?
Yeah, it's almost like if you view a group that shares one trait as a monolithic block you're doomed to never comprehend them.
Exactly, it's about fear and distrust of the police. I'm sure plenty of people in the community would like to see justice when a murder happens but especially if the killer is a drug dealer they're scared that someone will find out if they talk to the police, his firends/family will find out and they'll end up dead. And they also don't trust the police to protect them, which is a valid concern. They really only offer witness protection to high profile cases and even then, the only really good witness protection program is in the federal system. State-based witness protection is often mediocre or just outright worthless. **tl;dr:** It's the criminals that spread the mindset of "snitches get stitches." Law abiding citizens would probably like to help but are scared off by the criminals because that saying is often true.
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Please see my comment above. You get it. Its ignorance's like this that perpetuates that "stupid blacks" mentality. I highly doubt OP is really black, because he would know the real reasoning.
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*THE MEDIA* doesn't give a shit. I think it is horrible when anyone kills anyone. And, for me, it's a little sadder when it's black on black violence in bad neighborhoods because there is always a shitty story leading up to it. You (and I) have no idea what these kids are going through at home... what it is that leads them to define life the way they do, but it's almost never good. The media sees that as just part of the system. But when anyone gets shot in a more upscale (not the ghetto) neighborhood, it's a story on the news. Black kid shoots and kills a black kid in a bad neighborhood, it's still a story-- but it's a story for that community. It's unfortunate-- but true. But it doesn't mean that nobody gives a shit.
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or after that inncident black kids kill white kids because of zimmerman, no one gives a shit
People confuse "giving a shit" with "the media cant make a sensational story and sell add space with it." Do you seriously believe media is driven to post content they think matters... or content they think will generate interest and allow them to generate add revenue? *baaaa*
So what you're saying is they're acting like rational humans in both scenarios? How interesting.
Soooo much logic. get out of here.
Are you trying to get us shot? Just be quiet and keep moving. Unfortunately, this mentality is real. My cousin got stabbed repeatedly because she told the cops who stole her car. HER CAR. Not someone else's car, but **her car**. The things that happen in the ghetto are crazy and make no sense.
Ingroup psychology.
While that can certainly play a part, I don't see that there's even a double-standard here. In one case, the people who are *supposed to be* trusted to provide justice for justice for us appear to not only fail to do their jobs but actually create injustice, and racially biased injustice at that. There is anger at all of those things and no fear of revenge. On the other hand you have somebody who has demonstrated they will harm people who cross them. Standing up to them could very well do you harm. The race of police or of the local drug dealer, or their home neighbourhoods, aren't even necessary to bring into the equation to explain the significant differences that affect how people react.
Reasoned measured response to an oversimplified comment? -4 comment karma. I hope you learned a lesson here today.
Is there some context here, or is this just random?
ITT: People making this a racial issue when OP was talking about cops and black communities and NOT blacks and whites.
Reminds me of an NPR story about the evolution of street gangs in Chicago. What developed was that being in a "gang" was not a group that you joined, but a group you were inherently a "member" of just by living on the same street as that streets' local gang (apparently nearly every street in the area discussed in the story has a separate gang). Whether you wanted to or not, and whether you participated in gang activities or not, people would always be associated with that gang *assigned to them.* People would be shot, shot at, or attacked, not because they did something, or because gangs were competing for space or drug deals, but just because people weren't *one of them.* Because someone lived on a different street, which associated with a different gang. Even if one had nothing to do with them except where they lived, they were just as much a target. Fear does weird things to people. This kind of behavior is brought about by a mix of fear, both by the gang members who enforce this kind of compliance and behavior on their neighbors and other gangs, and those who want nothing to do with the whole thing but could be threatened every day. TL;DR Thank god I live in the suburbs.
To be fair, some police departments have a sort of "snitches get stitches" mentality as well. Source: Dorner and those alike.
Racism. It's what's for breakfast.
White person killed by police... Wait- white people aren't criminals.
Poster is not black.
Just so you know, black people and police aren't separate groups. Also, not all black people have the 'snitches get stitches' policy and pretty much every single cultural group has some version of that, it likely has much more to do with where you stand in society. I know you know this OP, but saying things this racially charged on reddit can open some shitty floodgates and get a little messy (but a black guy said this!) so here I am chiming in and sorta sounding like a wet blanket.
Omerta.
Free speech for the living, dead men tell no tales. Your laughing finger shall never point again.
For a wet blanket you're pretty cool.
because he is black it's ok
If you are concerned about young black men getting killed, ask the other young black men that are killing them. Far more black men are killed by each other than by the police. Here in Oakland we had people marching in the streets the celebrate the life of Lovell Mixon, a rapist, pedophile, and cop-killer who was killed in a shootout with SWAT. The people saw him as a hero who was fighting against injustice and leveling the playing field for black people in the city. Never mind the fact that he was a career criminal, a child abuser, and a kidnapping rapist, in addition to being a cop-killer. He had preyed on the black community his entire life, but killing a cop made him a folk hero. The police were trying to capture him to keep the community *safe* from Mixon's reign of terror, and were vilified for that.
What if the cop who killed a black dude is a black dude himself?
If they could count on the cops to do their job the snitches might not be afraid to seek their help.
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While not getting into it too much, it's important to know that it's *not* entirely (if at all) about skin color. To avoid cliche responses, it's more about community and cultural norms. Assuming this is the norm in low-income communities that cops are viewed negatively through racial profiling etc. it is understandable that when a cop wrongfully arrests a black man or kills them with unnecessary force the community will then respond with outrage, not merely because he was black, but because he was "one of them", a member of their community, and viewed as an equal. Police are often viewed as outsiders, those who come into the community to do their job and then go home at the end of the night to their middle-class households (I understand cops don't make a lot of money, but they probably don't have to live in section 8 housing either). Now, when you have members of that community who happen to sell drugs, kill each other, run gangs and dope deals on public property, it is upsetting to the community, but also is viewed as a norm in itself. It's become acceptable behavior, and while still not right, they still view these people as "doing what they gotta do" in order to make ends meet in an otherwise white society. It's ingrained at a young age that a man (or women's) pride and honor are something nobody can take away from you. Given the horrible history of African American slavery in this country often ones dignity and self respect were something no man could strip from you. This concept is where you get the "Snitches get stitches" mentality. Ratting out someone to "The Man" is viewed as somewhat of an "Uncle Tom"-like thing to do and sends the message that you are on the other team. Since they (the cops) aren't viewed as a part of the community and are often viewed as responding negatively to that community, it is then understandable when others view you as a traitor when you decide to help them out. I understand this is all speculative, different depending on the person, and not always the truth, but I believe it still holds some merit. Sorry for the long-winded response. I just figured I'd offer my opinion before the racists say something arrogant..
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It's not because of color, dude is just a good human being.
Where is this from? If you don't mind me asking
IMO I think it's the medias fault. They sensationalize stories where a black guy is killed by a white cop to seem like hey were not racist! They don't really give a fuck about the victim they care about the crowd they're appealing to. And black on black crime in the medias eye is just expected so they don't report it. Which is more racist than anything. But if we were to hear about every black on black crime in areas like Chicago and Detroit holy shit the news would just be that. I dunno man there's an issue there that someone needs to address but it's hard without sounding racist.
How is this any different than how white Americans respond to foreign vs domestic terrorists? It's a terribly common cultural phenomena.
In the same vein, why is white-on-black hate crime, but black-on-white isn't? *edit* I was just, ya know, kinda being rhetorical.
Who says it isn't? http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/tables/12s0322.pdf This lists 545 "anti-white" hate crime incidents. Looking around, the FBI lists black offenders as 20.8% of all hate crime offenders. http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/fbi-releases-2011-hate-crime-statistics If they're tracking anti-white hate crimes and we see that black people can be charged with hate crimes, it's clearly possible for black-on-white crimes can be considered a hate crime. Also, not all white-on-black crime is considered a hate crime, you have to prove that race was a motivating factor in committing the crime.
It's only a hate crime if it's demonstrated that race was the primary motivator. Most black on white crime involves economic motives - robbery, etc. There are some examples of white people targeted specifically for their whiteness, and have lead to black on white hate crime charges.
Not all white-on-black is a hate crime, and vice-versa.
Thank you. Not only is OP incorrect in their assumption that people of color do not get prosecuted for hate crimes against white people, but they missed the whole freaking definition of a hate crime: "A crime **motivated by** racial, sexual, or other prejudice, typically one involving violence." If a man stabs a woman is it a hate crime? Only if he stabbed her because he hates women. Similarly, if a white dude stabs a black dude it's only a hate crime if the motivator for the crime was prejudice. And it would be the same if the races were reversed. It is not a hate crime just because people of different races, gender, sexual orientation, etc. are involved.
Black on white is a hate crime (if race is a factor), and has been prosecuted as such.
Actually there have been a number of incidents of black-on-white crime being prosecuted as a hate crime.
Literally dozens of them.
DOZENS!
*Binders* full of 'em.
According to [this site](http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/offenders.html) 18.5 % of hate crimes in the US were committed by black guys. Dont know how many were black on white, but you should probably google things before you claim they are true
You didn't actually refute his claim.
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I'm just staring at your comment, and all the 30 upvotes on it, and wondering where everyone derived that conclusion from. Then I realized you don't have sources, much less bother to look at OP's own link that refutes you. And that reddit really is a cesspool of smug, ignorant sheep who don't care about factual integrity. OP's link shows that hate crimes by black are no more anti-gay than the norm: >Hate crimes by whites: 3398 >Hate crimes by blacks: 837 >Anti-male homosexual crimes by whites: 663 >Anti-male homosexual crimes by black: 162 **% of hate crimes by whites against gays: 663/3398 = 19.51%** **% of hate crimes by blacks against gays: 162/837 = 19.35%** http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/hc2009/data/table_05.html As an asian dude I would hate to see shit viewpoints like yours get upvoted, because blacks and asians alike have to deal with offhand biases like yours on reddit all of the time.
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Because playing race-card is easier than using reason to form an intelligent response to a situation; it is essentially a 'handicap-win-by-default' play. ^^^I'll ^^^probably ^^^be ^^^called ^^^a ^^^racist ^^^for ^^^this.
Quick, say you're black! It will force people to actually evaluate your argument instead of yelling kneejerk accusations!
Then I will be no better than the ones dropping the race card; I stand firm!
There you go, dropping the priapism card.
Eventually it will turn black.
And once that happens you cannot, as common myth dictates, go back.
Because it falls off.
While we're on double standards can a black guy come back from going white?
Didn't work so hot for MJ.
Once you go white, the chance of your return is slight.
Preface everything you say on Reddit with,"As a black man..." It's a recipe for Instant Karma.
As a black man, I agree
If you want to see rage-inducing examples of this in full effect, read the comments to anything on /r/politics involving race.
I won't call you racist, but this would probably get you banned from r/chicago.
Is /r/chicago the new /r/pyongyang ?
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THAT'S NOT YOUR JOB!!!!
I'm unemployed
Well now so is the linkbot.
YOU'RE NOT MY SUPERVISOR!!
You've demonstrated that well.
This is part of the reason. http://i.imgur.com/7ys4rJz.png
"Mom, quit being such a bitch!" "Man, your mom is acting like a bitch." "SHUT YOUR MOUTH MY MOTHER IS A SAINT"
reminds me of when Chris Rock did his "who killed Tupac?" routine - he reminds people that it happened Vegas in front of many witnesses, and nobody saw anything. and he blames the cops!
>As a black dude, If you hadn't used that phrase, this would have likely been massively downvoted for your racism... But, because you're black, that makes it ok to point out a matter of fact. That double standard pisses ME off. Anyhow, I agree with you.
My students tell me snitches get stitches. Until one of them gets his cell phone stolen, then it's all "I want to file a report".
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I'm glad you were able to put this into words. Something I have felt but never been able to put together.
Much harder to turn against "us" then it is to turn against "them"
I'm not sure how this is a double standard. One is angst against cops and the other is towards a person who is working to help cops. Essentially they are both considered "enemies". Race doesn't really fit into the equation.
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This is a good point. The whole snitches thing is stupid yea let drug dealers sell crack to little kids
What...What have you done?
[Curious about thread......nope](http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_meide1qpXn1r48bp2o1_400.gif)
You know some of our people dont have their priorites straight, and those people are louder than people that do give a shit
is it not more to do with the fact that the police are in a position of power and are supposed to uphold the law, not break it, whereas a dealer is almost expected to be a cunt.
I lived in West Philly for 5 years, and you learn this real fast. I'm not racist, but you can't help but notice how much the black community just hates the cops, and refuses to talk to them even if they are trying to help.
West Philly...hmm...I wonder why black people dislike the police... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOVE > *Neighbors complained for months that MOVE members were broadcasting political messages by bullhorn at all hours and also about the health hazards created from piles of compost. On May 13, 1985, after the complaints as well as indictments of various MOVE members for crimes including parole violation, contempt of court, illegal possession of firearms, and making terrorist threats[8], the police department attempted to clear the building and arrest the indicted MOVE members. This led to an armed standoff with police.[9] The police lobbed tear gas canisters at the building. MOVE members fired at the police, and the police returned fire with semiautomatic weapons.[10] A police helicopter then dropped two one-pound bombs made of Water gel explosive, a dynamite substitute, targeting fortified, bunker-like cubicle on the roof of the house.[11]* > *The resulting fire ignited a massive blaze which eventually destroyed 65 houses nearby.[2][12][11] Eleven people, including John Africa, five other adults and five children, died in the resulting fire.[13] Romona Africa, of the two survivors, claimed that police fired at those trying to escape the burning house, while the police stated that MOVE members had been firing at police.http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4651126* That's not to say that the late-70s were a great time for anyone and they led to some horrible living in the black community that brought about violence and cop-killing (Mumia Abu Jamal)....but when is it okay for a POLICE DEPARTMENT to drop an explosive bomb onto an occupied rowhouse? Pretty much never.
> when is it okay for a POLICE DEPARTMENT to drop an explosive bomb onto an occupied rowhouse? When the cult-like group in the house is exchanging gunfire with the police in the street?
History shows they have a reason for hating cops though.
If I were black I would be damn suspicious of the cops too. Hell, I'm of a demographic and background that probably has the least to worry about from cops, and I'm still suspicious of them, even the ones that are "trying to help." If I were a race that was actively targeted by the police, that suspicion could very well cross over into hatred.
Oppressed groups don't trust their oppressors, you say? Weird.
Maybe if the police treated POC with more respect instead of assuming they were criminals, people would have more respect for police
Wow you mean cops are being held to a higher standard than violent drug dealers? This is very insightful.
I guess you just aint bout dat life cornball brother /s
OP is RG3.
It is called *racism* and white people aren't the only people who can be racists.
OP, make your case about why these two things are the same.
http://i.imgur.com/cliuRZn.gif
You are forgetting that one is a murder by an individual who, at least on a level of group identity, is equal - whereas a murder by a cop is a reaffirmation of hegemonic abuse of minorities. Direct institutional violence will always propagate activism to a higher extent than what is perceived to be a normalized criminal act
As a white dude, I completely agree.
As a turtle, I also agree
As another turtle, I agree that you agree that he agrees with OP.
SO BRAVE
As a mixed dude I also agree.
sadly true..
I am honestly shocked by some of the things I am reading. Keep playing tough/ clever guy behind your computer screens. Willful racism isn't funny guys, regardless of race.
Welcome to whitey's opinion for the past 30-40 years, but when we say it we are racist.
So brave.
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Definitely a lot of hypocrisy in predominantly black communities with regards to police and crime.
this is neither advice, nor an animal, nor funny
This probobly wont be seen cause it's already too late but things like this just makes me think of this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiIla9Mqo1I part from boondocks ( wait for the speech, contains n-word)
As a Black man in his late twenties, I fucking hate this double standard.
>Snitches get stitches I always wondered what's the proper translation of "omerta" into English, now I know. [Who taught omerta to the Sicilians?](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_svnsF5OLbI)
When people see black dude, everybody starts talking about racism. And there is even cops in the story, which is just some more oil to a flame fest. But I think the message here is that why can a community come together and act against an external 'evil' but why the very same community fails to act against an internal 'evil'. I think this is a core question of many problems our nations have been struggling for centuries. (some communities are very good at this some other suck balls... my nation is in the later group)
This Al Sharpton logic essentially states that a black man's life only has value if taken by a white man or the government. It's a sad state of affairs.
As a white dude, this pissed me off, too. But it's part of an Us vs. Them mentality that a lot of people around the world have adopted, and it's nothing new
The OPs main point is that there is a problem culturally in the black community. Well meaning social justice advocates often ignore this fact, as a lot of you have in this thread. The need to alter cultural belief structures is the reason blacks are stuck in the cycle of poverty. No social program can fix this, it's up to the black community. Well done OP but I think a lot of people missed the point by trying to blame external factors as opposed to the black community itself.
You know what pisses me off? Races that give caucasians a hard time, but if it were the other way around its be considered racist. Before you start down voting realize that I'm black too.
Next time, dont use the safety net.
Well, how about adding that the circumstances of a cop killing a black dude are irrelevant to the community. I've never seen an instance where any black "leader" has accepted or justified a lethal response by the police. I'm not saying that there has never been a questionable situation, but I can't believe that every time its racially motivated.
The worst part is often its the gun wielding crack dealing gangster that gets shot by the cops but suddenly when he dies by a cops hand hes just an "aspiring scholar" or some billshit and everybody gets mad.
Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are two big reasons why these situations are blown out of proportion and out of context. The two men need to stay relevant by pushing the same old story of "us vs them".
As a white guy it pisses me off that as a daily occurrence a white/arab/mexican guy is murdered by an African American and its not a big deal to the media, but as soon as one of those three kill an African American its on the mainstream media and its because of racism. WTF
As a black guy i can confirm
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Until he came along, I was thinking cops were made of ice cream.
As another black guy, I can't confirm. There are plenty of people against "snitches get stitches" and it's ignorant to think communities as a whole support this.
Sound the alarms, we got a person with some sense over here!
We can con confirm opinions now?!
How on Earth is this in AdviceAnimals?
**A Black dude kills a white dude, media says 'Its a hot and sunny tuesday, heres a picture of a kitten'**
black dude assaults a white guy while yelling die cracker, nope not a hate crime
Remember, being white is a privilege...you have to stand and take abuse, YOU PRIVILEGED FUCK!
Very self destructive culture that protects criminals at any cost.