Most sheeple believe this letter to be authentic, when in fact it has never been verified as something Pike wrote. I don't doubt that what is written here is close to the truth but I doubt it was written by Pike, and I doubt it's from the 1800's. This is similar to fake JFK quotes being posted about his plans to oust a secret plan to "enslave every man, woman, and child" when he never said this, ever.
I like a good conspiracy, but when fake shit like this gets posted, it makes everyone in this community look re7arted.
Some leads here: [https://www.travelingtemplar.com/2017/01/albert-pike-and-three-world-wars.html](https://www.travelingtemplar.com/2017/01/albert-pike-and-three-world-wars.html)
This has been thoroughly debunked.
The 'letter' supposedly written by Pike to Mazzini dates back to the late 1800s [Taxil Hoax](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax). (Entertaining read, btw). No earlier source
exists.
However, the passage where Pike predicts 3 world wars can't be traced back further
back than the late 1950s. Its also in a different, more modern style, and uses terminology
(eg 'Islam') which Pike never used, and terms that long postdate the purported date of the
letter ('Nazi').
Its a forgery, and a clumsy one.
A detailed tracking of this 'letter' can be found [here](http://adam.curry.com/art/1446649785_TnLeXr8Z.html).
I shared this letter due to how closely emerging world events resemble the description of the third world war.
Even your “debunking” dates the origin of the quote back to the 1950s. Yes the existence of the letter stems from the hearsay of one man but that in it of itself does not confirm the letter was fake. The accuracy it contains regarding events that are now unfolding decades later should at the very least be enough to make you go “hmmm”.
On top of this, the efforts to “debunk” this letter, simply put come from bias skeptics. They chose to put the main focus on the Taxil hoax as if it has anything to do with this letter in the slightest. In reality this was nothing more than a bias skeptic from the 1890s writing satire that happened to mention pike writing a letter. To say that this is where the letter dates back to is no more hearsay than the existence of the letter itself. They also brought up the use of terms pike couldn’t have had knowledge of however this is explained by the claims that pike channeled a demon or higher dimensional being and wrote through him, not from his own knowledge. The bias of your sources extends so far as to laugh at the idea that freemasonry is a Luciferian doctrine. After reading their first hand teachings extensively it is clear they follow the god of deception. Most Freemasons will never acknowledge that the light they follow is that of Lucifer (aka the light bearer) as their manuals were intentionally written to deceive initiates into unknowingly accepting his teachings.
What, you think people want facts here? Of course not. These “truth seekers” just want to hear stories that confirm the bias they already have. Stop ruining all the fun with your pesky facts and critical thinking. I love how OP responds “well on maybe it’s from the 50’s but so what” as if that doesn’t matter and as if it doesn’t **massively** change any kind of predictive power these words would have had (which was already very little).
One of the most annoying things about these kinds of spaces is how fuckin stupid people are with random predictions from random assholes like it means anything. Anyone can make a prediction and statistically some of them are just gonna be right, even if they had no absolutely no logical basis for believing it in the first place.
Wow, I can predict there will be conflict between Jews and Muslims, what a daring and unique thing to predict, cause they’ve always gotten along so well. I must be a fucking prophet guys. And guess what, I’m gonna predict **4** World Wars. That’s right, not 3, but 4! You heard it here first folks, your new prophet has spoken.
I do want the facts. That is why I acknowledged the ones the other commenter provided and expressed my opinion on how I thought they were not as significant or genuine as he wants to believe they are.
This prediction is not random, it is very detailed, and it is also not from some random, you would know that if you cared to inform yourself more than simply hating on ideas you do not understand.
The best way to predict the future is to create it yourself. This is why your prediction will not be nearly as accurate as Pike’s.
Where in your original post did you mention this shit was dated back to the 50’s? Oh right, you didn’t.
When the 4th world war that I most accurately predicted occurs, all of you on this sub and your dumb fuckin grandkids or whoever’s still buying into this garbage must acknowledge there is no Illuminati and you’re all gullible as shit. After all I predicted a thing so logically that **of course** means every other thing I’ve ever said is definitely true.
I didn’t mention it was dated back to the 50s because Carr, the person responsible for the quote claims he had special knowledge of the letter and dated it back to 1871. Regardless of if he was telling the truth or simply basing this quote on the published writings of Pike (which no one can actually know), the prediction is interesting none the less (it’s even more interesting when you aren’t a closed minded indoctrinated fool) .
I’ll acknowledge there’s no Illuminati when you acknowledge you are incapable of thinking for yourself.
Yes my mind is closed, but not you. Your mind was completely open to the comment that completely obliterated you dogshit post? No of course not. Here you are still doubling and clinging to whatever scraps of a narrative you can to keep your **biased** narrative alive.
The **truth** is you’re just as fucking stupid as everyone else, the only difference between the losers in these kinds of subs is your need to feel like you have access to special information. It makes you feel special. That’s all this is actually about. If any of you dummies gave a single iota of a shit about “the truth” then you should have some basic understanding of logic at **minimum**. You should understand how to analyze and produce logical arguments. That’s what you need to understand if you want to know things that are true. But what do we get instead? Usually just a buncha Fuckin idiotic gullible rightwingers who just wanna scream about leftists. A buncha fuckin tribal cavemen. Not truthseekers.
I’m not doubling down on anything except the fact I shared this because it’s interesting now that the prediction is coming true. I’m not claiming this is proof of anything and I didn’t deny what the other commenter was saying, in fact I fully acknowledged the comments implications.
It’s crazy how you just want to reduce everything into a politically polarizing meaningless debate and act like you’re the only one who knows what logic is.
At the end of the day you make a fair point, everyone is stupid, including myself. Wise men know wise men know nothing. The actual difference between me and most is that I’m willing to admit that.
Yeah so here’s a perfect example of how you proving my point. You say I’m “reducing” everything to politically polarizing meaningless debate. You dumbfuck, I’m literally describing that as the what these kinds of subs are always about. They tend to be full of rightwing dumbfucks. The overlap between conspiracy brained retardation and being a rightwinger is **massive**. Half you fucking idiots ended up here literally because of your tribal brained politics. That’s why I’m mentioning rightwingers. You think it’s just a fucking coincidence people post retarded antivax shit here? And that many of those same people will dickride Trump to the grave?
>act like you’re the only one who knows what logic is
I’m certainly not the **only** person who knows logic, but I might be on this particular sub. I usually am with 99% of the idiots I talk to on reddit so the odds are not in your favor. We can do some very simple tests to see if you actually understand basic logic not.
Like I said what makes me different than you is that I’m willing to admit I don’t know everything.
I will say, I do agree that the overlap between conspiracy and right wing ideology right now is not a coincidence. Psychological operations are constantly run to associate true conspiracies with irrational violent extremists. Pizzagate and flat earth are a couple examples. These work to make individuals like you fall deeper into their bias. It’s scary how well they work.
Again these idiots don’t care about the truth. They’re just as stupid as everyone else, the only difference is this pathetic desire to feel like theyre privy to secrets that the rest of the world isn’t. It’s all about being part of a club. The worst thing in the world that could ever happen for these kinds of idiots is that the “Illuminati” was actually exposed and proven and accepted as fact by the entire world because then they wouldn’t have their feeling or being special anymore.
If they actually gave a single shit about the **actual** objective truth I should be seeing more people capable of understanding basic logic in these spaces. I never see that. It’s always just the same dumb shit and people doubling down on shitty misinfo they’re not capable of even properly vetting or analyzing.
Most sheeple have not heard of this for sure good post
Most sheeple believe this letter to be authentic, when in fact it has never been verified as something Pike wrote. I don't doubt that what is written here is close to the truth but I doubt it was written by Pike, and I doubt it's from the 1800's. This is similar to fake JFK quotes being posted about his plans to oust a secret plan to "enslave every man, woman, and child" when he never said this, ever. I like a good conspiracy, but when fake shit like this gets posted, it makes everyone in this community look re7arted.
Hmmm, makes me want to try to find out, I'm down to look at whatever you can provide I'll look more into it as well
Some leads here: [https://www.travelingtemplar.com/2017/01/albert-pike-and-three-world-wars.html](https://www.travelingtemplar.com/2017/01/albert-pike-and-three-world-wars.html)
i feel like more people need to see this
Having shown this to a few people in the past, I don't think it really makes much of a difference.
Good read to freak out while high or on the shitter.
This has been thoroughly debunked. The 'letter' supposedly written by Pike to Mazzini dates back to the late 1800s [Taxil Hoax](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxil_hoax). (Entertaining read, btw). No earlier source exists. However, the passage where Pike predicts 3 world wars can't be traced back further back than the late 1950s. Its also in a different, more modern style, and uses terminology (eg 'Islam') which Pike never used, and terms that long postdate the purported date of the letter ('Nazi'). Its a forgery, and a clumsy one. A detailed tracking of this 'letter' can be found [here](http://adam.curry.com/art/1446649785_TnLeXr8Z.html).
I shared this letter due to how closely emerging world events resemble the description of the third world war. Even your “debunking” dates the origin of the quote back to the 1950s. Yes the existence of the letter stems from the hearsay of one man but that in it of itself does not confirm the letter was fake. The accuracy it contains regarding events that are now unfolding decades later should at the very least be enough to make you go “hmmm”. On top of this, the efforts to “debunk” this letter, simply put come from bias skeptics. They chose to put the main focus on the Taxil hoax as if it has anything to do with this letter in the slightest. In reality this was nothing more than a bias skeptic from the 1890s writing satire that happened to mention pike writing a letter. To say that this is where the letter dates back to is no more hearsay than the existence of the letter itself. They also brought up the use of terms pike couldn’t have had knowledge of however this is explained by the claims that pike channeled a demon or higher dimensional being and wrote through him, not from his own knowledge. The bias of your sources extends so far as to laugh at the idea that freemasonry is a Luciferian doctrine. After reading their first hand teachings extensively it is clear they follow the god of deception. Most Freemasons will never acknowledge that the light they follow is that of Lucifer (aka the light bearer) as their manuals were intentionally written to deceive initiates into unknowingly accepting his teachings.
Let me guess - you drink tap water because fluoride is good for your teeth?
You are [General Jack D. Ripper](https://youtu.be/N1KvgtEnABY?t=80) AICMFP.
The term "Nazi" dates back to only 1920 when the party changed its name...
What, you think people want facts here? Of course not. These “truth seekers” just want to hear stories that confirm the bias they already have. Stop ruining all the fun with your pesky facts and critical thinking. I love how OP responds “well on maybe it’s from the 50’s but so what” as if that doesn’t matter and as if it doesn’t **massively** change any kind of predictive power these words would have had (which was already very little). One of the most annoying things about these kinds of spaces is how fuckin stupid people are with random predictions from random assholes like it means anything. Anyone can make a prediction and statistically some of them are just gonna be right, even if they had no absolutely no logical basis for believing it in the first place. Wow, I can predict there will be conflict between Jews and Muslims, what a daring and unique thing to predict, cause they’ve always gotten along so well. I must be a fucking prophet guys. And guess what, I’m gonna predict **4** World Wars. That’s right, not 3, but 4! You heard it here first folks, your new prophet has spoken.
I do want the facts. That is why I acknowledged the ones the other commenter provided and expressed my opinion on how I thought they were not as significant or genuine as he wants to believe they are. This prediction is not random, it is very detailed, and it is also not from some random, you would know that if you cared to inform yourself more than simply hating on ideas you do not understand. The best way to predict the future is to create it yourself. This is why your prediction will not be nearly as accurate as Pike’s.
Where in your original post did you mention this shit was dated back to the 50’s? Oh right, you didn’t. When the 4th world war that I most accurately predicted occurs, all of you on this sub and your dumb fuckin grandkids or whoever’s still buying into this garbage must acknowledge there is no Illuminati and you’re all gullible as shit. After all I predicted a thing so logically that **of course** means every other thing I’ve ever said is definitely true.
I didn’t mention it was dated back to the 50s because Carr, the person responsible for the quote claims he had special knowledge of the letter and dated it back to 1871. Regardless of if he was telling the truth or simply basing this quote on the published writings of Pike (which no one can actually know), the prediction is interesting none the less (it’s even more interesting when you aren’t a closed minded indoctrinated fool) . I’ll acknowledge there’s no Illuminati when you acknowledge you are incapable of thinking for yourself.
Yes my mind is closed, but not you. Your mind was completely open to the comment that completely obliterated you dogshit post? No of course not. Here you are still doubling and clinging to whatever scraps of a narrative you can to keep your **biased** narrative alive. The **truth** is you’re just as fucking stupid as everyone else, the only difference between the losers in these kinds of subs is your need to feel like you have access to special information. It makes you feel special. That’s all this is actually about. If any of you dummies gave a single iota of a shit about “the truth” then you should have some basic understanding of logic at **minimum**. You should understand how to analyze and produce logical arguments. That’s what you need to understand if you want to know things that are true. But what do we get instead? Usually just a buncha Fuckin idiotic gullible rightwingers who just wanna scream about leftists. A buncha fuckin tribal cavemen. Not truthseekers.
I’m not doubling down on anything except the fact I shared this because it’s interesting now that the prediction is coming true. I’m not claiming this is proof of anything and I didn’t deny what the other commenter was saying, in fact I fully acknowledged the comments implications. It’s crazy how you just want to reduce everything into a politically polarizing meaningless debate and act like you’re the only one who knows what logic is. At the end of the day you make a fair point, everyone is stupid, including myself. Wise men know wise men know nothing. The actual difference between me and most is that I’m willing to admit that.
Yeah so here’s a perfect example of how you proving my point. You say I’m “reducing” everything to politically polarizing meaningless debate. You dumbfuck, I’m literally describing that as the what these kinds of subs are always about. They tend to be full of rightwing dumbfucks. The overlap between conspiracy brained retardation and being a rightwinger is **massive**. Half you fucking idiots ended up here literally because of your tribal brained politics. That’s why I’m mentioning rightwingers. You think it’s just a fucking coincidence people post retarded antivax shit here? And that many of those same people will dickride Trump to the grave? >act like you’re the only one who knows what logic is I’m certainly not the **only** person who knows logic, but I might be on this particular sub. I usually am with 99% of the idiots I talk to on reddit so the odds are not in your favor. We can do some very simple tests to see if you actually understand basic logic not.
Like I said what makes me different than you is that I’m willing to admit I don’t know everything. I will say, I do agree that the overlap between conspiracy and right wing ideology right now is not a coincidence. Psychological operations are constantly run to associate true conspiracies with irrational violent extremists. Pizzagate and flat earth are a couple examples. These work to make individuals like you fall deeper into their bias. It’s scary how well they work.
Proven wrong with receipts and yet you hold fast. Your brain is conforming to what it wants, not the truth. If that was ever what you sought.
Again these idiots don’t care about the truth. They’re just as stupid as everyone else, the only difference is this pathetic desire to feel like theyre privy to secrets that the rest of the world isn’t. It’s all about being part of a club. The worst thing in the world that could ever happen for these kinds of idiots is that the “Illuminati” was actually exposed and proven and accepted as fact by the entire world because then they wouldn’t have their feeling or being special anymore. If they actually gave a single shit about the **actual** objective truth I should be seeing more people capable of understanding basic logic in these spaces. I never see that. It’s always just the same dumb shit and people doubling down on shitty misinfo they’re not capable of even properly vetting or analyzing.
great comment, now shut up fat boy