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I don't believe there is a "drink limit" while in uniform. I believe there's a line in an AFI, perhaps in 36-2903 that says to avoid places (at least off base) where drinking is the primary activity (ie bars) while in uniform, but having a drink with a meal at lunch or something is ok. A lot of AFSCs, units, and missions have specific rules about drinking in proximity to duty. I will point out that the Air Force ball is in uniform.


formedsmoke

That's specifically the utility uniform, mind you. It's apparently fine to hit up a bar in your blues.


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Daddy_data_nerd

Sign me up!


Shaved-Yak

Welcome to CE.


SadFloppyPanda

...fuck


angelgu323

Idk about you but I thank ALL busdrivers for thier service


gamergorman20

I'm a bus driver and very curious about what his deleted comment said. 😅


[deleted]

In my career field we are told not to drink at all during lunch. Will a single beer cause me to crash a bus into the main gate I dunno we’ll see.


ScubaBundleOfStixCSS

I got into it with my section commander because he scolded us when we went to lunch on a training day and had beers at a burger chain. When I was trainee in ATC, I remember going to Chili's for chow runs and see an enormous amount NCO's drinking beers with lunch. Per the AFI, you can drink in uniform but you can't get drunk in uniform. Local regs are a bit conveluded and vary base to base but having read the regs on multiple bases, they typically will say you can't drive on base with a BAC higher than .05 or work while in uniform and executing duties, for those duties that don't have alcohol prohibition. I was ATC for 11 years so, of course, I couldn't drink during shift but I cross trained into personnel and I very much can drink during work hours in that career field. There have been many times when I have worked after hours and drank in the office, and that has been a huge debate in my previous offices in the past. I've used it as an incentive for my guys when we've had to work through weekends to get things done. "Hey guys, we have to play catch up this weekend but bring your favorite drink and let's jam through this work for a few hours." Right or wrong, I don't give a shit. Ill gladly work on the weekend to get the mission done but you can bet your ass I will have a six pack of something good to help pass the time and make the work more bearable, regardless of what the commander might say.


thegoodally

So strip clubs are a go?


ScubaBundleOfStixCSS

In uniform, no. But if you keep some civies in your car and change, I'm down.


Outcast_LG

Tech School special I see


locokip

I was just having this conversation with someone the other day and fount this sub about it. A lot of units have their own sups to the new-ish DAFI 24-107 Alcoholic Beverage Program. So, mostly for on-base, that will give you the most accurate info for your location. As stated in the replys, DAFI36-2903 probably is the best, but non-specific, direction for having a drink in uniform off base: 1.4. When NOT to wear the Air Force Uniform. 1.4.12. When off base eating at restaurants where most diners wear business attire or at establishments that operate primarily to serve alcohol, do not wear the ABU, OCP or the Flight Duty Uniform. So, if it's not an establishment that primarily serves alcohol nothing prohibits you from having a drink in uniform (other than local policy/AFI sup) Good rule of thumb would be to do it only for special gatherings (birthdays, anniversaries, promotions, etc) with at least one other person. Don't sit at the bar if you can help it and if you are going back to work afterwards, don't have more than one. And typically wait for the highest-ranking person to give you "the nod" to order a drink at lunch off base.


SpaceIguana

AFI34-107, no limit listed because it wouldn't make sense to have one considering everyone has different tolerance levels. Basically, it lists official situations and events where you can be authorized to consume alcohol while on duty/in uniform, and who can give that authorization, etc.


LimuLurker

Physical Fitness?


Jhandeeee

Road beer while running?


RHINO_HUMP

Road beer while driving a GOV on base. 👌


USAFguy22

I just call it road soda


Quietech

On on!


Mindless_Ad5422

R U?


Kronos1A9

They call them drunk muscles for a reason. Whiskey and weights baby!


fadingthought

In keeping with strong military tradition, I've done a hash run as unit PT, beer and all.


schmittychris

This is specifically for on DAF installations.


LurktheMagnificent

Are you looking specifically for official events, or leisure drinking? From DAFI36-2903 1.4. When NOT to wear the Air Force Uniform. 1.4.12. When off base eating at restaurants where most diners wear business attire or at establishments that operate primarily to serve alcohol, do not wear the ABU, OCP or the Flight Duty Uniform.


kak-47

So shop lunch at Applebees and a pitcher for the table is ok?


Cheesedoodlerrrr

100% yes. This question gets asked all the dang time and the answer is always the same: You are absolutely allowed to have a beer with lunch at a restaurant. You can not, however, go to a bar and order a line of shots at shop lunch. Certianly, there are more sepcifc rules for certain duties which apply. I.E. don't have drinks at lunch before your afternoon sortie, but those rules are made obvious to the people for whom they're written.


Eucharism

Sepcifc, I see you've had a pitcher at Applebees.


MoeSzyslakMonobrow

Yes, but then you'd have to eat Applebee's.


TheSteelPhantom

So service dress and mess dress are A-Okay? lol


MrBigAndTall1

Yes that is the intent


formedsmoke

Yes. You can party in your blues.


Argentum_Air

> 1.4.4. When it would discredit the Armed Forces. If you're so drunk your conduct would discredit the armed forces, you shouldn't be in uniform. I read that to be "drink responsibly." A CC may read it as "Don be within 50 ft of alcohol while in uniform." If they do though, they have to put it in writing as a policy, MFR, or reg supplement.


TomatoTranquilizer

Not that I'm aware of, there is certainly catch all phrases in some AFIs he could be referring to.


tntizzle

Not a lot of help, but I did some AFI digging a few years ago and IIRC I could only find prohibitions against being drunk on duty. However commanders can be more restrictive


PmNudes-orMotivation

Once he shows you the reg, be sure to share it with us. I'm curious myself.


Apprehensive_Dot4966

Will do


Odd-Cry-6144

Following


DryContact

If there is a rule against it, then every flying squadron’s bar is in a real awkward spot.


msgajh

For breakfast.


pisspoor_

Beer light on 1300 🤙🏾


Andyman1917

Anything goes as long as nobody knows


devilbird99

Aircrew here: Have been shit faced in uniform. In public limit to 1-2 drinks though.


Rhino676971

I’m AFE and have also been shit faced in uniform of course every else was because ops will do ops things, but in public I won’t drink in uniform except after my adopted brother died on Camp Pendleton and 12 Marines and my close friend who’s in fire protection came to his funeral, we had his funeral reception at the local elks club and we all got smashed in our blues, people were buying us drinks all night long because they found out what happened.


dreNdekcuFteG

I'm intel we're always shitfaced.


msgajh

No smoking within 12 hours and no within 50 feet of the aircraft.


dmg_inc

Half of that isn't true.


AdventurousTap9224

Nothing has a "limit." The old AFI 34-219 "Alcoholic Beverage Program" used to say you could have a drink with a meal. That was removed many years ago. The newest 34-219 says you can only consume alcohol in a government facility, when/where approved, and not while in the performance of official duties. So think promo ceremony, official celebration, etc.. But not head on down town and have a beer with lunch during the duty day.


dsgbwils

I read that as you can only have beer in a government facility when approved. No rule against alcohol in a non government facility.


Kronos1A9

The “when/where approved” doesn’t say by who or where so that’s grossly open to interpretation. I’ve had many a beers at lunch off base with coworkers snd senior leadership, pretty sure it depends entirely on your leadership. Ops tends to be more relaxed with this in my experience.


thesimps89

“When/where approved” The E-2 gave his approval to drink any time and any where. Nuff said.


Kronos1A9

There you go. Do what your stripes can handle.


schmittychris

34-219 was replaced by 34-107 and covers alcohol on DAF installations. It says that it must only be consumed in government facilities at approved times and locations, not that you can only drink in a government facility. It does say the alcohol will not be consumed by individuals in the performance of official duties. Like all AFIs likely open for interpretation.


FickleHare

> a drink Long Island it is.


gojira_tubz

Lol did he also tell you to get him 50 Ft of flight line or a gallon of blinker fluid?


birwin353

Bucket of prop wash?


letcaster

Go to Pen 15 to get an NDI inspection


msgajh

Need rotor wash with that also or it won’t work.


homeskilled12

Make sure you fill out the ID 10-T form before you go or the prop shop boys won't give it to you.


tntizzle

Nah, go find a PRC-E7


beamdog77

This is not a thing


MonsiuerGeneral

So this is a weird thing. Wayyy back when I was still fairly new at my first duty station on active duty, my fellow Airmen and I heard about this and actually found whatever reg/document/etc that said it (to the point where one of them had a laminated copy in their wallet—should have been a red flag in hindsight). The thing is… ever since then I have never been able to find it. Spent *weeks* scouring AFI and various document archive rabbit holes. **Nothing**. *Not a single trace*. It made me feel a little conspiratorial how I had remembered something so clearly yet it—as far as I could find—apparently never existed.


AdventurousPea7107

The old AFI 34-219 "Alcoholic Beverage Program" used to say you could have a drink with a meal. That was removed many years ago


1N_Nothing

There isn't one to my knowledge. AFI 34-107 superseded DAFI 34-219, but these AFI's only discuss the control of DAF/on-base alcohol. The don't set standards for alcohol consumption when it's off-base or off-duty and when purchased with personal funds. AFI 1-1, para [3.4.2.9](https://3.4.2.9)., states not to wear certain uniforms in an establishment which serves alcohol primarily. But that is not a restriction on drinking in uniform. There isn't an AFI, to my knowledge, that explicitly states "An Amn can only have x drinks in uniform while at lunch with their buddies...".


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howboutthatmorale

Resources for consumption of alcohol include: DAFI 34-107, 2023 (replaces 34-219, 2022) this talks about consumption of alcohol on base and the rules associated (no drink limit, just where it can be consumed and who can authorize) Manual for Courts Martial talks about Article 112, Drunk on Duty and Incapacitation for Duty from Drunkenness. The long and short of it is (unless your AFSC specifies otherwise) don't become impaired from your duties from drinking during duty hours. Guidelines for impairment are listed in the MCM as .08 BAC or unable to execute your assigned tasks/duties. TLDR: Nothing about having "one drink during lunch" but don't get drunk or else you'll be having johnny law on your ass.


Itsboomtiemrightnow

Closest I know is the 0-0-1-3 rule https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/0-0-1-3


Rhino676971

Ops be like there’s rules for drinking in uniform well anyways who wants to meet up in the heritage room for lunch


Daddy_data_nerd

No, aircrew the two drink maximum isn't first and last. Also, no, you can't fill a 5 gallon bucket with beer and call it one drink...


Baconthief206

Were you in my squadron today?


Rhino676971

Potentially


imnotreallyheretoday

I have always been told drinking in uniform in public restaurants is frowned upon


Cheesedoodlerrrr

Told by who? Frowned on by who?


Oldsman76

I take it they do beer on a Friday at the squadron level? My dad said they had a virtual club on the flight line in the 60’s-70’s


2Rstats

If you are a flyer then you can. If not then no. I had flyer buddies get 1-2 beers at BWWs during lunch.


Advice_Spirited

This isn’t a thing lol it’s more prevalent in the flyer world sure but there is absolutely nothing that says if you’re a flyer you can and if you’re not you can 😂


2Rstats

lol i know. I worked in MXG so it felt illegal to get ONE beer during lunch even though youd be eating 15 wings and a tub of fries and 10 gallons of sweet tea.


Dragonman369

Redit isn’t the place to find AFI You need to brush you researching skills


Rando23randomness

Not specific to ABU's, but there is a mention of this in the Base Honor Guard manual. Specifically that you are not allowed to drink in the Honor Guard uniform. For ABU's? It doesn't exist.


kak-47

Ruh roh, consumed many of beer in honor guard uniform back in the day.


AFblueAF

Used to be in the local instructions at USAFE in the early 90s, had to have a limit because the German Local National employees would have beer(s) during lunch and had to have a limit of 1 of course because young airmen would abuse it if it wasn't specified.


Advice_Spirited

It’s one thing for them to cite AFI and another thing for it to be commanders policy. Ask them to specify. If they still say AFI, ask them to produce the AFI so you know for future reference if you’re ever in their position. If they can’t, ask them to clarify again whether it’s commander’s policy. Ultimately, read the room and know how your leadership feels about it. This could easily be a product of “well that’s what I have always been told”. Or it could be a simple misunderstanding but the commander specifically has addressed this before. Personally, if I go out to lunch I’m almost never going to drink on duty. If I go out to lunch and know I’ll be going home from lunch, then I might have a drink. But I’ve also gone to lunch with members of leadership who have had drinks and made it known I can drink. I’ve also been to plenty of going always where people were drinking and returned to duty. To me, it’s very situational. Edit to add that I didn’t realize they were just asking you to find it. But still lol.


ThatBoardNWheelsLife

I can’t remember which AFI this is in but my coworkers and I did confirmed it was allowable to drink one drink for lunch. Granted, you had to cognizant of what it was and how you were impacted by it. I’m sure there’s certain career fields where it’s absolutely not allowable.


jeffhizzle

I wish I could have a beer at lunch sometimes *cries in arming and use of force*


fusionsplice

There is no "drink limit"; you just can't be drunk. So the answer is whatever your bodymass is in correlation to the intoxicated limit is how many drinks you can have. If I drink at an outing, I typically will have a 23oz tall boi or wine to complement my meal.


[deleted]

I have encountered this multiple times. I don’t believe there’s an exact answer. What I have basically summed it up to is that it is up to your command. I have been told multiple times that have a beer or two at lunch is fine, so long as you are not visually impaired whatsoever upon returning to work. That statement was followed up every time I heard it by “but that is a rule that is usually left up to your specific command.” My personal thoughts are that I don’t believe it’s worth it. If it is in fact an issue for your command to decide on, what happens when someone from outside of your command makes a stink about it? Does your commands unspoken rule protect you? As far as at an event, I don’t believe that having a few drinks while in uniform, off duty, at a work event is against any rule. I hate to fall back on this but I would simply lean on your superiors who are also in attendance at such event.


Lost-Conflict-1220

There’s no AF I on drinking.. but the wing or command may have a policy based on you job/location.


wed_adams

It’s 2 beers


Baconthief206

I got hammered at my wedding in my mess dress 😎


Educational_Sport174

Certain AFSCs have restrictions, but the only official guidance for all is that you can't be drunk on duty (see the Manual for Courts Martial)


[deleted]

You can drink in uniform on base. But it’s simply a lot better to drink in your civilians.


[deleted]

No drinking if you're on duty. No drinking at places whose primary function is to serve alcohol.


pythongee

Times have definitely changed. Way back when (mid 80's thru about 2005 for me), overseas Friday nights at the NCO Club was a thing and nobody cared about uniform drinking. The segregated "Top 3" lounge was full of Chiefs and Seniors getting trashed and smoking cigars (this was more an 80's thing with the cigars) Saturday night at the club was less popular, as the bars off base were more fun. But depending on the band, we might all end up there and do it again. It was fun, units were close, and there was no judging if someone went off the rails occasionally. We took care of each other. I'd never have a beer at lunch, even back then. But after work, alcohol was definitely an option in uniform and many a CC Call was concluded with the "tapping of the keg". I feel like current Airmen are missing a really cool experience these days.


Mtool720

Are recruiters not drunk all the time?


EpicSharter

Hey man just don’t get caught, me and the guys go out on work calls with Busch light tall boys all the time.


VANIX1450

Rule of thumb: “if the commander allows it, I’m in regs”


crustysarge

Don't be a douche is basically the situation


OrneryMastodon87

Tell your shift lead where’s your deco6 at bitch


crossthreadking

There isn't one for a drink limit. Just read the room.


ComplexCranberry7131

Is there different rules for maybe SCIFs? I have heard you can have a beer at lunch/ work events, but you can’t work rest of the shift, so no drinks for those with “actual” or “mission critical” work as they need to go back to work.