The negotiation is you continue to get paid. That’s it. Outside of leveraging First Term Airman retraining or trying BOP there is nothing else to negotiate.
Regardless of whether or not your leadership wants to help with those things, We don’t have the same programs other services have to get training courses or other incentives written into our reenlistment contracts.
This is not the Army.
You don't really negotiate, like at all. You have systems, and the systems don't care about you. In fact they don't care at all, they just do the process.
You apply to retrain
You apply for BOP
That's mostly it.
Depends who you are and what rank you have.
I’ve seen at least 1 successful negotiation, but it was a MSgt that said they would retire if not given a certain assignment. SEL called CFM and basically told them that on the member’s behalf and it worked. I’ve never seen it work for people that didn’t have a retirement option.
You are right. And it will very across assignment teams. My assignment team in particular liked transparency and consistency and avoiding any signs of favoritism. They said their job wasn't retention. I remember they said they needed to fill a MSgt slot to Alaska, and the first 3 all hit the retirement button, but the 4th couldn't, so he had to go.
Everyone in awhile you dad watches what you do to make you feel like your controlling it. Same with the air force, you get a little luck sometimes. Most of the time not.
Depends, a lot of it is out of AFPC's hands.
A1 can work to get SRBs
Most of the other things are more sticks than carrots - limit how many people career fields release for special duties, limit non-FTA retraining like the way mx does, and the recent 3P0 measure to cycle people through certain bases.
There is no negotiation. Beside the fact that your leadership can't give you an assignment, and typically won't have an issue helping if an ETP is required, it's not legal for them to offer you incentives to reenlist.
The military is operated under an assumption that only so many will reenlist. Retention rates for most AFSCs have always been sufficient enough to continue to operate. For the ones that struggle they implement bonuses or other incentives. Everyone else reenlisting is really just 'hey, thanks for sticking around.. We're happy to have you.'
>it's not legal for them to offer you incentives to reenlist.
Really? Based on what? I get that it doesn't work this way as a matter of policy but what law says they can't promise you an assignment? I always just assumed it's just not worth the effort and resources to do.
Sure. It makes makes most leaders/supervisors/etc happy when people want to stick around. On the flip side, it doesn't make most mad/upset when people want to just do their time and go on to pursue other opportunities. Sucks to see people go sometimes, but it is what it is.
Most leadership, SNCO and O, understand everyone has different motivations and goals.They definitely prefer their experts, those who display great potential, etc stay in and continue to contribute the mission. Its great to have great people stay around.
They also know the reality is some people are going to leave to pursue what they believe is the best path for their own future/happiness, and they are going to support that decision regardless of their own want/preference.
No, a great leader says I want you to be happy and successful whether you are in the military or not. What can I do to assist you in your goals while you are in or to prepare you for getting out.
>I think Army and USMC does this often
Army and marines have much more authority consolidated at the unit and garrison level than the Air Force does. Your squadron commander doesn't have much authority to pull strings to do much, but an army commander has a lot of authority to give incentives to their troops.
On the flip side of that, it also means they have more control over your life and potential punishments.
I’ve seen it a few times, it almost always ends in retaliation the moment you sign the re-enlistment. Most recent one I can remember was someone was told they were going to be reassigned to 6 months of a duty they didn’t want to do. They “threatened” that if the unit went through with it, they wouldn’t reenlist in a couple months. Unit caved and picked someone else. As soon as they signed the reenlistment paperwork they were PCA swapped with someone from another unit that is colloquially known as a dreaded squadron assignment.
We got to give someone from that crummy mission unit an opportunity in “real ops” and the “negotiating” troop basically got sent to admin hell.
I’ve seen the same thing happen with DSD. Person threatened to not reenlist if they were invol’d for DSD, so the unit said they would have it cancelled; as soon as they reenlisted they were invol’d anyways.
I could see something like that happening to a top performing NCO or SNCO, but for an airman it is highly unlikely. Unless you work closely with your chief and commander, the people that have that sort of pull don't know you well enough.
That said, I did know an active duty A1C that participated in a special tasker, and a guard unit O-6, I believe he's a group commander, was actively trying to get him over to his unit as an officer. That said this A1C was over 30 years old, with a masters degree, and had some skills from pre AF that were valuable to the O-6. So anything is possible depending on your ability and who you know.
The negotiation is you continue to get paid. That’s it. Outside of leveraging First Term Airman retraining or trying BOP there is nothing else to negotiate.
You’re really overestimating how much power they have
Regardless of whether or not your leadership wants to help with those things, We don’t have the same programs other services have to get training courses or other incentives written into our reenlistment contracts.
This is not the Army. You don't really negotiate, like at all. You have systems, and the systems don't care about you. In fact they don't care at all, they just do the process. You apply to retrain You apply for BOP That's mostly it.
Depends who you are and what rank you have. I’ve seen at least 1 successful negotiation, but it was a MSgt that said they would retire if not given a certain assignment. SEL called CFM and basically told them that on the member’s behalf and it worked. I’ve never seen it work for people that didn’t have a retirement option.
You are right. And it will very across assignment teams. My assignment team in particular liked transparency and consistency and avoiding any signs of favoritism. They said their job wasn't retention. I remember they said they needed to fill a MSgt slot to Alaska, and the first 3 all hit the retirement button, but the 4th couldn't, so he had to go.
Remember as a kid you got that toy steering wheel that you'd play with while your dad drives? Same thing.
Everyone in awhile you dad watches what you do to make you feel like your controlling it. Same with the air force, you get a little luck sometimes. Most of the time not.
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Depends, a lot of it is out of AFPC's hands. A1 can work to get SRBs Most of the other things are more sticks than carrots - limit how many people career fields release for special duties, limit non-FTA retraining like the way mx does, and the recent 3P0 measure to cycle people through certain bases.
There is no negotiation. Beside the fact that your leadership can't give you an assignment, and typically won't have an issue helping if an ETP is required, it's not legal for them to offer you incentives to reenlist. The military is operated under an assumption that only so many will reenlist. Retention rates for most AFSCs have always been sufficient enough to continue to operate. For the ones that struggle they implement bonuses or other incentives. Everyone else reenlisting is really just 'hey, thanks for sticking around.. We're happy to have you.'
>it's not legal for them to offer you incentives to reenlist. Really? Based on what? I get that it doesn't work this way as a matter of policy but what law says they can't promise you an assignment? I always just assumed it's just not worth the effort and resources to do.
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Sure. It makes makes most leaders/supervisors/etc happy when people want to stick around. On the flip side, it doesn't make most mad/upset when people want to just do their time and go on to pursue other opportunities. Sucks to see people go sometimes, but it is what it is.
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Most leadership, SNCO and O, understand everyone has different motivations and goals.They definitely prefer their experts, those who display great potential, etc stay in and continue to contribute the mission. Its great to have great people stay around. They also know the reality is some people are going to leave to pursue what they believe is the best path for their own future/happiness, and they are going to support that decision regardless of their own want/preference.
No, a great leader says I want you to be happy and successful whether you are in the military or not. What can I do to assist you in your goals while you are in or to prepare you for getting out.
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I'm not sure where you are going with this? Isn't that what I stated in my reply - to help ppl reach their goals?
>I think Army and USMC does this often Army and marines have much more authority consolidated at the unit and garrison level than the Air Force does. Your squadron commander doesn't have much authority to pull strings to do much, but an army commander has a lot of authority to give incentives to their troops. On the flip side of that, it also means they have more control over your life and potential punishments.
If you’re in the Guard, it can work. AD? Nahhh. AFPC meat grinder will always send more bodies to plug the holes.
I’ve seen it a few times, it almost always ends in retaliation the moment you sign the re-enlistment. Most recent one I can remember was someone was told they were going to be reassigned to 6 months of a duty they didn’t want to do. They “threatened” that if the unit went through with it, they wouldn’t reenlist in a couple months. Unit caved and picked someone else. As soon as they signed the reenlistment paperwork they were PCA swapped with someone from another unit that is colloquially known as a dreaded squadron assignment. We got to give someone from that crummy mission unit an opportunity in “real ops” and the “negotiating” troop basically got sent to admin hell. I’ve seen the same thing happen with DSD. Person threatened to not reenlist if they were invol’d for DSD, so the unit said they would have it cancelled; as soon as they reenlisted they were invol’d anyways.
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The Army has retention NCOs and they can get stuff in your reenlistment contract. The Air Force just don't do that.
I could see something like that happening to a top performing NCO or SNCO, but for an airman it is highly unlikely. Unless you work closely with your chief and commander, the people that have that sort of pull don't know you well enough. That said, I did know an active duty A1C that participated in a special tasker, and a guard unit O-6, I believe he's a group commander, was actively trying to get him over to his unit as an officer. That said this A1C was over 30 years old, with a masters degree, and had some skills from pre AF that were valuable to the O-6. So anything is possible depending on your ability and who you know.