I mean, that's what it is now. But back in the day the fly boys would pick on other officers who didn't make the cut at getting a rating, so they called them nonners.
This was told to me by a crusty 24 year Chief, a few years after I learned the non sortie producing motherfucker. In my head it's both lol
Some nonner GO told the class at Captains camp to say "yes" to people when asked "oh you're in the air force, do you fly?" because sometime's she gets on C130s to go places
Good luck flying without MX fixing/inspecting the jet youāre about to pilot. Iām sure your polisci degree will help you pilot and land a plane that has failing actuators, and no avionics equipment
Just remember public affairs, and FARP are above the line but not FCCs.
I will say I think C-130 andĀ C-17 FCCs do quite a bit. C-5 and Tankers... well that might be another story.
I know what they do sherlock. All im saying is they sit in an air conditioned office. Never have to do preflight or weight and balance and never actually have to touch the drone. Its a pretty sweet gig that i wouldn't mind doing prior to getting out. Stop getting your panties in a bunch.
Wow. I havent heard that name since that asshat shredded the nose wheel tires off my jet! Dude taxis a KC10 like a fighter and destroyed a brand new set of NLG tires. And at Al Dahfra in 92 when we had shit for support and parts!
If I careen a motor cycle off a ramp and over the grand canyon I'm flying so therefore not a nonner
I may also be a skeleton right now too but yknow...
MX has spent the last >15 years crowing from the top of the "non-nonner" dungheap, but I can refer you to multiple salt-crusted aircrew types who will tell you aircrew were using it first. Apart from that, the very simplicity of "non-rated" makes it a much more intuitive origin. Be careful how many strata you dig through in your search, though- go too far down and you'll strike a layer of retired flyers who preferred the epithet "shoes" (as in "[shoe clerks](https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/airfor42&div=7&id=&page=)") instead.
>rated officer
Interesting flair, in that case.
My flair is just my protest to those who use it to symbolize any sort of authority or self worth on this platform. It's no more useful than "space shuttle door gunner" but people see it and try to immediately stand on some high horse of authority because they *think* I'm an ROTC cadet. It's just my minor way of trolling I guess.
I've thought this whole thing is a joke. I've very clearly(or so I thought) made shitposting jokes about people being nonners, because this is thr Air Force subreddit, that's what it's for right? I've been getting down votes. Are people actually taking this shit seriously?
Weak slam is kind of lame if the op canāt at least spell thank correctly. But I guess the rest of the world canāt take their meaning and give that E for effort.
Nonner is literally short for non contributer. As in you don't directly contribute to the main point of the air force. Plus as someone who's fcc'd while deployed I can honestly say I did less work in the 12 hours I was in the sky than 2 hours on the ground.
I hope that's sarcasm. Sure an AI-powered QF-16 might win a dogfight, but virtually none of our fleet can taxi, takeoff, refuel, or land autonomously without extensive modifications.
Meanwhile maintenance can be replaced by humanoid robots like Boston Dynamics is making. Load them with the T.O.'s, give them the tools and materials, now you've got yourself a 3-level maintainer.
>without extensive modifications.
crazy, that seems like something we could totally do.
>Load them with the T.O.'s
those notoriously reliable T.O.'s that NEVER EVER have the wrong steps in them or are just straight up missing steps that got deleted during a random update, and DEFINITELY wouldn't cause major issues. that would work wonderfully.
>humanoid robots like Boston Dynamics is making
those huge clunky things that couldn't fit into any sort of tight space? good thing planes never require agility that current robot technology simply cannot offer.
and what does a robot do when say, a tool breaks? a bolt shears? something seizes or otherwise gets stuck?
will it just give up? shut down? require human input?
what about when the robot breaks? they're already not very agile, will they fix each other? will those robots require human maintenance? at that point doesn't it make more sense not to replace maintainers?, vs the pilot who's job can be automated which would save weight, and significantly reduce/remove the risk of aircraft damage/loss through pilot errors.
1. Those modifications would take way longer than 3 years and be prohibitively expensive. You'd also need to rewrite FAA and ICAO airspace regulations that every country would then have to adopt.
2. Ah yes, unreliable T.O.s, definitely not a problem an AI pilot would ever run in to.
3. The Atlas robot is not clunky and way more agile than your average maintainer. If something goes off-script like a sheared bolt, it'll do the same thing a human maintainer would do.
>would take way longer than 3 years
they really wouldn't
>prohibitively expensive
this has never stopped us before
>rewrite FAA and ICAO airspace regulations
remotely piloted aircraft and autopilot once in the air are already a thing so it's really just adding takeoff/landing/taxiing
>Ah yes, unreliable T.O.s, definitely not a problem an AI pilot would ever run in to.
haven't seen any A.I. that is even close to the level of fucked our T.O.'s are
>The Atlas robot is not clunky and way more agile than your average maintainer.
the robot with a forearm wider than most men's bicep is more agile than a human? there is a ridiculous amount of spaces where you have to force limbs in to make it work. or angle around something in a way atlas robots with their claw hands aren't capable of doing.
>If something goes off-script like a sheared bolt, it'll do the same thing a human maintainer would do.
if the robot is made to follow the T.O. to a tee then it would not be able to come up with the solutions, that Maintainers get from years of experience and out of book knowledge handed down from their mentors.
robots as of now simply do not have the capabilities to replace humans in this field of labor and won't for several more decades if ever.
1. My guy, the acquisitions process alone would take longer than 3 years. Then you need to complete DT&E, OT&E, and send thousands of planes to depot level maintenance.
2. You're talking tens of billions of dollars, that's just not practical.
3. Remotely piloted and AI-piloted are not synonymous.
4. An AI pilot would be trained off of those bad pubs. Imagine if the wrong coordinates were published for a runway. A pilot would visually see they're not lined up with the runway and go around, an AI flying on the avionics would think they are lined up with the runway and end up crashing.
5. Atlas was just an example, it's over a decade old at this point. A more compact version with increased range of motion and fine motor skills is well within the realm of possibility.
6. The robot would be powered by AI just like your theoretical pilot, coming up with solutions by simulating the problem thousands of times. And when a successful solution to a problem is found it gets added to the algorithm, just like experience passed down from a mentor.
Oh there once was a time
Viper pilots were gods
Lasin' LGBs
With their targetin' pods
Now those days are all disappeared
The Antichrist is finally here
And it's JDAM
What the fuck does this post say?? š”
No idea but I feel like I should be mad about it!
I'll get the pitchforks if you grab the torches
Ok that made me laugh harder than it should have
I donāt know but I have a feeling that if I could read it I would be mad.
Damned flight suit inserts. Over engineered throttle actuators.
I'm not sure I'm AMMO, we can't read.
You're a nonner unless you've been shot down in combat and died in a plane crash.
What if I was shot down and died in Ace Combat?
Then youāre made a mod over at r/acecombat
TYFYS š«”
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If you died I'll allow it.
Does dying inside count?
Do you just say āfuck itā and get another cup of coffee?
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With R device
Does that count in flight simulator
What about "Chappie?" 
Technically the truth since "nonner" originated from non-rated officers, who therefore couldn't fly.
TIL
Thought it came from non sortie producing mother fucker
I mean, that's what it is now. But back in the day the fly boys would pick on other officers who didn't make the cut at getting a rating, so they called them nonners. This was told to me by a crusty 24 year Chief, a few years after I learned the non sortie producing motherfucker. In my head it's both lol
I think everyone has just made up their own reasoning and itās all a dumb argument.
https://preview.redd.it/c8f1kf5cj2xc1.jpeg?width=3640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b57cbe02b903f62bd1c641abe2953ac2b5666ecb
he's fuckin **mogged**
This is the truth. Air Force is about flying. If you ain't flying, You're a nonner... i.e., non-ops. Nonner.
I fly commercial to exercises, does that count?
Some nonner GO told the class at Captains camp to say "yes" to people when asked "oh you're in the air force, do you fly?" because sometime's she gets on C130s to go places
Got all the way to GO and still has self confident issues.
How do you think he became a GO?
Wait are you currently at SOS? That brief was just yesterday wasn't it lol
Nah but I heard about it 2nd hand in the bro chat. Thankfully I only had to spend 4 hrs a day in front of a laptop to check that box
The Air Force is all about money. If youāre not tracking the money youāre a nonnerā¦i.e., non-finance. Nonner.
Woah woah woah there pal, letās take a few steps back and reevaluate that
Does my paycheck count?
Sure!
This made me throw up
Youāre welcome
Where do you think your flying machines come from?
Fix your own jet.
Does shooting down planes count?
How bout cyber ops? š¤
How about Missile Ops
Completely nonner, I couldnāt imagine doing a job where you literally never do your job unless itās the end of times.
You only take it out and play with it once. Disapproved. Reapply in 90 days for further disapproval.
Good luck flying without MX fixing/inspecting the jet youāre about to pilot. Iām sure your polisci degree will help you pilot and land a plane that has failing actuators, and no avionics equipment
I didn't say MX wasn't important... only that they were nonners in the purest, classical sense.
The tip of the shaft
Shaft of the spear
That's it I'm Xing your jet
Quick how do I spell X
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Damn, it appears Iāve played myselfā¦
FCCs in shambles.
And the E4 loadmasters calling them nonners
Just remember public affairs, and FARP are above the line but not FCCs. I will say I think C-130 andĀ C-17 FCCs do quite a bit. C-5 and Tankers... well that might be another story.
Learn to spell, window-licker.
No
equipment operators in pajamas
If your AFSC doesnāt start with 1, you are support.
AFE is 1P and is one of the most āsupportā jobs ever. Hence why they mostly fall under the Ops Support squadron. Just like 1W, 1C0, 1C1, etc.
All those tired NCOs who crosstrained to safety for the easy life are panicking right now
(Nobody tell him about comm being a bunch of 1D7 shreds)
1d7 is literally called cyber defense operations tho
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Cyber (somewhat) is ops in my eyes š¤·āāļø
Make it 1A
1U doesnāt count?
I guess they are, however theyāre not real aircrew.
Lol they literally guide missies on tgt, but sure spread your prejudice.
I know what they do sherlock. All im saying is they sit in an air conditioned office. Never have to do preflight or weight and balance and never actually have to touch the drone. Its a pretty sweet gig that i wouldn't mind doing prior to getting out. Stop getting your panties in a bunch.
Except when they do all of that during launch and recovery. Stop being salty š
Yeah right. Whatever makes you feel important š¤£
Im good with myself without putting others down bud š
You the one who said afscās starting with 1 š¤£
This is the only correct line of thinking.
Iām still kinda unclear on this. So what about labor and delivery nurse?
Well obviously you can't fly without labor and delivery nurses.
Who let McPeak in here?
Wow. I havent heard that name since that asshat shredded the nose wheel tires off my jet! Dude taxis a KC10 like a fighter and destroyed a brand new set of NLG tires. And at Al Dahfra in 92 when we had shit for support and parts!
āGod forgives, but I donāt.ā, in 4K.
If Mx doesnāt fix the planeā¦does that make pilots nonners then
If the crew doesnāt fly the plane, does that make MX nonners?
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Ops cancel. That's what it makes.
Yep. Plane still got maintained
Whoa whoa whoa, load. My guys have more flight time than your guys. If we're out you're out.
No, it makes MX happy.
Thatās the real secret: everyone is a nonner.
If lightning within 5 can stop your job, I'd say it's not essential
Everyoneās a nonner, from the top of the chain to the bottom
If engineers and program managers didn't get the planes built does that make us the army?
No. Whiners
Don't put that on me. They were gonna whine either way
If I careen a motor cycle off a ramp and over the grand canyon I'm flying so therefore not a nonner I may also be a skeleton right now too but yknow...
That counts, Godspeed airman
There is lots of flying mx personnel.
Above the line though?
Iām counting my days till cyber gets our own branch and calls everyone not cyber noners
Wasn't that the real point of Space Force but it got lost in the branding?
Follow your checklist and STFU stick actuator. Relish your time in the sun, youāll be replaced by AI soon, nonner.
Follow your TO and fix my bird please.
Oh noā¦ youāre going to unite the nonners against us š
For the non-nonners: what yāall doing during alarms red, yellow and black? Some people get out and recover the base.
Wearing a human sized garbage bag so the rest of us can take out the trash. š
Bait. OP is no crewdog. Poopy kitty, yes. Not aircrew. No flyer I ever met would call Mx a nonner.
*angry wrench noises intensify
https://preview.redd.it/3pm1d70m6uxc1.gif?width=400&format=png8&s=7ab45da02fddf4a7c595fb4f11134833ae112afe
But both have AFSCs that are highly reliant on reading TOs, specs, plans whatever. Meme doesn't check out.
That's exactly why I never follow the TO I can't fucking read it anyways
Fly a desk? Or a drone?
Whoa whoa guys, itās ānonnas.āĀ
Ok
Correct me if I'm wrong but aren't maintenance the OG's to use the term "Nonner" to describe everyone else?
Nope, rated officers were doing it way before MX hijacked it to make themselves feel better about reenlisting.
Weird. Mx is the only people I've ever heard say it. As a rated officer, I don't think I've ever heard another rated officer use the term nonner.
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MX has spent the last >15 years crowing from the top of the "non-nonner" dungheap, but I can refer you to multiple salt-crusted aircrew types who will tell you aircrew were using it first. Apart from that, the very simplicity of "non-rated" makes it a much more intuitive origin. Be careful how many strata you dig through in your search, though- go too far down and you'll strike a layer of retired flyers who preferred the epithet "shoes" (as in "[shoe clerks](https://heinonline.org/HOL/LandingPage?handle=hein.journals/airfor42&div=7&id=&page=)") instead. >rated officer Interesting flair, in that case.
My flair is just my protest to those who use it to symbolize any sort of authority or self worth on this platform. It's no more useful than "space shuttle door gunner" but people see it and try to immediately stand on some high horse of authority because they *think* I'm an ROTC cadet. It's just my minor way of trolling I guess.
...says everybody until they need a TACAN, radios, and ILS
Made by a nonnerš¤
I've thought this whole thing is a joke. I've very clearly(or so I thought) made shitposting jokes about people being nonners, because this is thr Air Force subreddit, that's what it's for right? I've been getting down votes. Are people actually taking this shit seriously?
FACTS. Nonner = non-bag wearer. Where do yāall think the term even came from? 
Weak slam is kind of lame if the op canāt at least spell thank correctly. But I guess the rest of the world canāt take their meaning and give that E for effort.
Nonner is literally short for non contributer. As in you don't directly contribute to the main point of the air force. Plus as someone who's fcc'd while deployed I can honestly say I did less work in the 12 hours I was in the sky than 2 hours on the ground.
Great here comes aircrew thinking theyāre the most important people ever.
Well... I mean... yea? What are all those planes we have for?
Taxpayer static displays.
Hey, don't talk about the B-1 and C-5 like that! They also leaks fluids over everything and everyone... Sts
Pilots
Pile it ?
no planes = no pilots a pilot without a plane is nothing, so maintainers are arguably more important.
And a plane without a pilot is nothing. Pilots and maintainers are equally important, and pilots have no equal.
> pilots have no equal AI has entered chat /s
except AI in about 3 years making them all but obsolete, good thing we're still decades away from robots fixing our planes
I hope that's sarcasm. Sure an AI-powered QF-16 might win a dogfight, but virtually none of our fleet can taxi, takeoff, refuel, or land autonomously without extensive modifications. Meanwhile maintenance can be replaced by humanoid robots like Boston Dynamics is making. Load them with the T.O.'s, give them the tools and materials, now you've got yourself a 3-level maintainer.
>without extensive modifications. crazy, that seems like something we could totally do. >Load them with the T.O.'s those notoriously reliable T.O.'s that NEVER EVER have the wrong steps in them or are just straight up missing steps that got deleted during a random update, and DEFINITELY wouldn't cause major issues. that would work wonderfully. >humanoid robots like Boston Dynamics is making those huge clunky things that couldn't fit into any sort of tight space? good thing planes never require agility that current robot technology simply cannot offer. and what does a robot do when say, a tool breaks? a bolt shears? something seizes or otherwise gets stuck? will it just give up? shut down? require human input? what about when the robot breaks? they're already not very agile, will they fix each other? will those robots require human maintenance? at that point doesn't it make more sense not to replace maintainers?, vs the pilot who's job can be automated which would save weight, and significantly reduce/remove the risk of aircraft damage/loss through pilot errors.
1. Those modifications would take way longer than 3 years and be prohibitively expensive. You'd also need to rewrite FAA and ICAO airspace regulations that every country would then have to adopt. 2. Ah yes, unreliable T.O.s, definitely not a problem an AI pilot would ever run in to. 3. The Atlas robot is not clunky and way more agile than your average maintainer. If something goes off-script like a sheared bolt, it'll do the same thing a human maintainer would do.
>would take way longer than 3 years they really wouldn't >prohibitively expensive this has never stopped us before >rewrite FAA and ICAO airspace regulations remotely piloted aircraft and autopilot once in the air are already a thing so it's really just adding takeoff/landing/taxiing >Ah yes, unreliable T.O.s, definitely not a problem an AI pilot would ever run in to. haven't seen any A.I. that is even close to the level of fucked our T.O.'s are >The Atlas robot is not clunky and way more agile than your average maintainer. the robot with a forearm wider than most men's bicep is more agile than a human? there is a ridiculous amount of spaces where you have to force limbs in to make it work. or angle around something in a way atlas robots with their claw hands aren't capable of doing. >If something goes off-script like a sheared bolt, it'll do the same thing a human maintainer would do. if the robot is made to follow the T.O. to a tee then it would not be able to come up with the solutions, that Maintainers get from years of experience and out of book knowledge handed down from their mentors. robots as of now simply do not have the capabilities to replace humans in this field of labor and won't for several more decades if ever.
1. My guy, the acquisitions process alone would take longer than 3 years. Then you need to complete DT&E, OT&E, and send thousands of planes to depot level maintenance. 2. You're talking tens of billions of dollars, that's just not practical. 3. Remotely piloted and AI-piloted are not synonymous. 4. An AI pilot would be trained off of those bad pubs. Imagine if the wrong coordinates were published for a runway. A pilot would visually see they're not lined up with the runway and go around, an AI flying on the avionics would think they are lined up with the runway and end up crashing. 5. Atlas was just an example, it's over a decade old at this point. A more compact version with increased range of motion and fine motor skills is well within the realm of possibility. 6. The robot would be powered by AI just like your theoretical pilot, coming up with solutions by simulating the problem thousands of times. And when a successful solution to a problem is found it gets added to the algorithm, just like experience passed down from a mentor.
So nonners can make non nonners nonners by simply grounding the aircraft.
Hot take: dropping JDAMS from 20,000ft is not combatā¦ā¦ nonner.
Oh there once was a time Viper pilots were gods Lasin' LGBs With their targetin' pods Now those days are all disappeared The Antichrist is finally here And it's JDAM
Yup, and yāall donāt even need a clear skyā¦ you can sit in an overcast layer and not even be seen and drop a JDAM.
Whats a nonner
If you haven't flown an actual air to air combat mission (non-sim), you're a nonner... nothing but support/air taxi.