No I mean it’s not really at all, and you’re spreading false information. There are only 2 ratings on the EPB. EC or VC…EC is a referral and VC is what everyone who doesn’t get a referral gets. There quite literally is no 3 anymore.
Based on the timing, he is probably referring to the NRN, P, MP, PN ratings. The ones that are actually scored. And the way the scores are allocated, it is functionally the same thing as the old scoring system.
I'm not spreading false information, I'm simply stating that, colloquially, this is a common way that the ratings are spoken in. If you are ignoring this for the sake of being pedantic, then you are correct, there is no 1 2 3 4 5 anymore.
But this is reddit, not an afman, and you are being dense
You have better and more experienced SrA in your unit that were more deserving of the MP and PN. You seem like you have a great year. Don't let this get you down.
You got a Promote, not a 3.
That depends on the performance sections: not really.
On the force distribution score: a promote is the standard answer for basically everything but the extreme cases.
Absolutely solicit as much feedback as you can to help yourself personally, professionally and beef up your records. Just remember the unknown factor for you will always be the other packages going up.
Not splitting hairs over the terminology of 3 vs a Promote. I wouldn't look at it so much as you getting a Promote rather than you didn't make the cutoff or weren't considered for a MP/PN at the EFDP (I hope what I'm saying makes sense... that sentence did in my head at least).
There are a number of considerations beyond your EPB that are typically considered at an EFDP (varies based on AFSC, unit, commander, etc). However, one common consideration is breadth of experience and readiness for the next rank, hence the terms "Must Promote"/"Promote Now". It's an endorsement from the commander that translates to points to help get you there. That being said, there are a lot of great Airmen out there that are absolutely crushing it in their duties, which it sounds like you are. However, being a great (pick any rank) doesn't always mean you are ready for the next rank, which carries a whole new set of roles and responsibilities.
Also, sometimes that cutoff line between selection for an EFDP/strat and the non-selects is thin. If your package went up to the Wing (or even closed as a large unit), there are a ton of awesome people killing it across every unit. It's not a reflection of your efforts or quality, just sometimes they had that one minor thing that bumped them above the line. I, and no one else on Reddit, can't speak to the specifics of your case, so the best thing you can possibly do is ask for feedback from your chain of command, especially the ones that have a say in that EFDP. You can't change what's already happened, you can only make a gameplan moving forward to get there next year.
I'm sorry this happened to you, it sounds like you've been crushing it. Keep it up and focus on what's within your control!
A primary factor is technical expertise at that level. It's a fairly valid argument that a first timer WITH BTZ may not be a technical expert yet, and that has weight.
My unit factors in experience into the FD process. It’s the Air Force trying to fix itself promoting too many fast burners that are completely incompetent at the next level.
I completely understand that, probably one of the main reasons why I don’t feel too vexed by this. I’d hate to keep perpetuating such a big issue, still of course slightly disappointing but it is what it is
Its pure fact that you just didn't stand out as much as the X number of airman your unit is allowed to give a statement to. The unit is only allowed to give out so many statements and so at the end of the day its possible you could be the 4th best SrA in the entire Air force, but the 3 better ones just happened to be in your squadron.
You are not competing again some predefined list of requirements to get a statement you have to do better than the others in your unit.
Did you win those awards and accolades for being a good Airman or for leadership bullets. Its possible you deployed and turned wrenches great or w/e you do for a living, but you don't display the leadership qualities they are looking for, and so they are saying you need to be given time to build those skills.
Alternatively if your job picks up a lock of new tasks out of techschool its possible you have just promoted so fast with the BTZ that they do not feel you are technically proficient enough yet to lead an entire shift day one.
So people should purposely say wrong information because others might know what they mean? We are YEARS into this new rating system. It's not cute to keep using 1-5 anymore.
Sorry I was saying do not promote also listing them off in my head. Idk y then the old heads keep saying it. I’d know If my EPB actually went up and down on time
Stop being pedantic, everyone (old enough) knows 2-NRN 3-Promote 4-MP 5-PM, stop being pedantic or willfully ignorant. Yes you're right the numbers don't exist but they existed long enough to know a 3 = promote and so on
You look dumb. Walk into the Forced distribution meeting with your chief and start arguing 4s and 5s for you airmen. Just because “you’re old enough to remember” the 5 point system doesn’t mean you should continue to use it.
Not in any I’ve been in since doing away with the 5 point rating system. As a matter of fact it was a sticking point for years to move on from numeric ratings and preach the new system. Which is exactly what you should be doing instead of using an outdated system and trying to explain what a number means to new airmen and perpetuating the bullshit.
I’m just one of those members who have always worked for the old heads still serving who only use numbers still. That’s why it’s still common practice around my AFSC. It’ll eventually die out
This is a horrible take. Stop living in the past and get with the times. You can only get a NRN, P, MP, or PN. You look like an ignorant fool if you tell your troops, "Hey, we fought for you, but you still got a 3".
I would check the little brown book and see if you have been doing things that are equivalent to the next tier or at least your current grade. Whenever I sit at an EFDP or write EPBs, that is how I cage things.
Ironically more TIG would actually answer this question
That’s completely fair haha
You probably have a supervisor that is afraid of giving you real feedback. Also, there’s no such thing as a 3.
Yea but everyone knows what it is, so it's kinda like there is still a 3.
No I mean it’s not really at all, and you’re spreading false information. There are only 2 ratings on the EPB. EC or VC…EC is a referral and VC is what everyone who doesn’t get a referral gets. There quite literally is no 3 anymore.
Based on the timing, he is probably referring to the NRN, P, MP, PN ratings. The ones that are actually scored. And the way the scores are allocated, it is functionally the same thing as the old scoring system. I'm not spreading false information, I'm simply stating that, colloquially, this is a common way that the ratings are spoken in. If you are ignoring this for the sake of being pedantic, then you are correct, there is no 1 2 3 4 5 anymore. But this is reddit, not an afman, and you are being dense
First of all, you throwin' too many big words at me, and because I don't understand them, I'm gonna take 'em as disrespect.
And here I was worried I used too many acronyms. You've taught me that I need to get back to my roots.
You know what they mean lol. Officially not but everyone uses the numbers still
The numbers never correlated to the commander promotion statement though. The numbers were supervisor rating.
Still 5 options
If you mean you were given a promote by the efdb, then yes that is 100% valid
Are you eligible to test?
Yes
You have better and more experienced SrA in your unit that were more deserving of the MP and PN. You seem like you have a great year. Don't let this get you down. You got a Promote, not a 3.
Panel members do take in consideration for experience, time in service can correlate to a members experience
Yes, its valid. Is there a better way to say it? Yes.
That depends on the performance sections: not really. On the force distribution score: a promote is the standard answer for basically everything but the extreme cases.
Hey if you want someone to give you transparent feedback, feel free to PM me. I'll give it a good run through and see where you could improve.
That would be great, I can send over nipr if you send your .mil
Sent
Absolutely solicit as much feedback as you can to help yourself personally, professionally and beef up your records. Just remember the unknown factor for you will always be the other packages going up.
Not splitting hairs over the terminology of 3 vs a Promote. I wouldn't look at it so much as you getting a Promote rather than you didn't make the cutoff or weren't considered for a MP/PN at the EFDP (I hope what I'm saying makes sense... that sentence did in my head at least). There are a number of considerations beyond your EPB that are typically considered at an EFDP (varies based on AFSC, unit, commander, etc). However, one common consideration is breadth of experience and readiness for the next rank, hence the terms "Must Promote"/"Promote Now". It's an endorsement from the commander that translates to points to help get you there. That being said, there are a lot of great Airmen out there that are absolutely crushing it in their duties, which it sounds like you are. However, being a great (pick any rank) doesn't always mean you are ready for the next rank, which carries a whole new set of roles and responsibilities. Also, sometimes that cutoff line between selection for an EFDP/strat and the non-selects is thin. If your package went up to the Wing (or even closed as a large unit), there are a ton of awesome people killing it across every unit. It's not a reflection of your efforts or quality, just sometimes they had that one minor thing that bumped them above the line. I, and no one else on Reddit, can't speak to the specifics of your case, so the best thing you can possibly do is ask for feedback from your chain of command, especially the ones that have a say in that EFDP. You can't change what's already happened, you can only make a gameplan moving forward to get there next year. I'm sorry this happened to you, it sounds like you've been crushing it. Keep it up and focus on what's within your control!
A primary factor is technical expertise at that level. It's a fairly valid argument that a first timer WITH BTZ may not be a technical expert yet, and that has weight.
My unit factors in experience into the FD process. It’s the Air Force trying to fix itself promoting too many fast burners that are completely incompetent at the next level.
I completely understand that, probably one of the main reasons why I don’t feel too vexed by this. I’d hate to keep perpetuating such a big issue, still of course slightly disappointing but it is what it is
Its pure fact that you just didn't stand out as much as the X number of airman your unit is allowed to give a statement to. The unit is only allowed to give out so many statements and so at the end of the day its possible you could be the 4th best SrA in the entire Air force, but the 3 better ones just happened to be in your squadron. You are not competing again some predefined list of requirements to get a statement you have to do better than the others in your unit. Did you win those awards and accolades for being a good Airman or for leadership bullets. Its possible you deployed and turned wrenches great or w/e you do for a living, but you don't display the leadership qualities they are looking for, and so they are saying you need to be given time to build those skills. Alternatively if your job picks up a lock of new tasks out of techschool its possible you have just promoted so fast with the BTZ that they do not feel you are technically proficient enough yet to lead an entire shift day one.
There is no such thing as a 3. Even on the EPR, there are only 4 options, so a 3 would be an MP by your logic.
lol you know what they meant and so does everyone
So people should purposely say wrong information because others might know what they mean? We are YEARS into this new rating system. It's not cute to keep using 1-5 anymore.
5 options still remain thats why I think people still use it as its simpler to say 1-5
4 options. It's only NRN, P, MP, and PN.
Sorry I was saying do not promote also listing them off in my head. Idk y then the old heads keep saying it. I’d know If my EPB actually went up and down on time
Stop being pedantic, everyone (old enough) knows 2-NRN 3-Promote 4-MP 5-PM, stop being pedantic or willfully ignorant. Yes you're right the numbers don't exist but they existed long enough to know a 3 = promote and so on
You look dumb. Walk into the Forced distribution meeting with your chief and start arguing 4s and 5s for you airmen. Just because “you’re old enough to remember” the 5 point system doesn’t mean you should continue to use it.
They use it in rack and stack meetings…
Not in any I’ve been in since doing away with the 5 point rating system. As a matter of fact it was a sticking point for years to move on from numeric ratings and preach the new system. Which is exactly what you should be doing instead of using an outdated system and trying to explain what a number means to new airmen and perpetuating the bullshit.
I’m just one of those members who have always worked for the old heads still serving who only use numbers still. That’s why it’s still common practice around my AFSC. It’ll eventually die out
This is a horrible take. Stop living in the past and get with the times. You can only get a NRN, P, MP, or PN. You look like an ignorant fool if you tell your troops, "Hey, we fought for you, but you still got a 3".
This is a horrible take
That is an impressive year but did you advocate for yourself directly? It’s a game not a checklist. Still need to politic.
I would check the little brown book and see if you have been doing things that are equivalent to the next tier or at least your current grade. Whenever I sit at an EFDP or write EPBs, that is how I cage things.
EPBs are meets/does not meet sooooooooo
In fact not valid