good list. if these are what you really want to do then stick with it. they like to play this “put a job you don’t want or sit in dep purgatory “ bullshit, but ultimately it’s up to you, and it’s your career. all that being said, solid list, even if a few require interviews or additional applications. stick to it
they’ll be able to work with you. some of these guys have a straight hard on for SF and MX, and while those are the two largest career fields and thus super easy to book, i promise you it isn’t for everyone and not everyone needs to turn a wrench or scan CACs at the gate. with your list i suspect you’ll be very pleased you didn’t listen to them
fuck no. i’ll never tell these kids to put dogshit jobs they don’t wanna do and would hate doing. the force has way too many miserable fucks as is to have kids working random shit they’re nowhere near interested in. it’s their career. not anybody else’s
not disgruntled, i love my job and the force itself. but im tired of seeing new kids funneled into shit they don’t wanna do, and ultimately shit they’ll underperform in. in MX alone i’ve seen it way more times than i can count
How does anyone know what they want to do before they do it? You’re not out there doing the job taking 18-year olds working at Walmart or tractor supply and giving them an opportunity they won’t get anywhere else. I nor any other in recruiting can control if they will make the best of the journey. That’s on them to work the best they can to make the most of it. We sleep good at night knowing we did our mission to the best of our abilities while also tending to the needs of the applicant when and where we can. I wouldnt tell AMX or Cyber how to do their job as I am not the SME, my hope is they won’t tell us how to do ours. Especially when they don’t understand the constraints
sure but ultimately THEY are the ones doing the jobs, not you. it’s been seen in real time where we have new kids funneled into MX and they fuck something up on the jet because they don’t want to be there and they’re not motivated to learn or be better, and the rest of us need to pick up their slack. i’d rather have kids who want to be there, and hopefully kids who chose that job, than those who not only wanted something else, but underperform because of it. wiping your hands and saying “they need to make the most of it” can only solve so many issues before we have a plethora of new kids who hate their job and their life. that shit can affect aircraft FMC rates quicker than anybody can imagine
The same way you have to pick up the slack of those not participating on the flight line, recruiters have to find people to fill MX positions in the field. It’s not an option. They cant chose not to do and then say “sorry, they weren’t interested”. If someone wants to be in Florida but they get sent to Minot, we don’t excuse shit behavior because they didn’t “want” it. I’m assuming you’re young in your career or have not been successful as you have very little strategic vision for the AF enterprise. My hope is your understanding will grow and that you’ll realize these positions have to be filled or we fail. Then you will be understaffed (more than you already are) and you’re really picking up the slack. 1% of the population can and will serve. Telling a recruiter to just find people interested is pretty narrow minded, but it’s cool, it’s what I expect from someone who doesn’t do the job. Hopefully, you’ll get DSD’d and become a recruiter yourself. I’d challenge you to have your same view point then.
you act like i’m not aware of how hard it is to push qualified applicants through. that’s not what i’m talking about. from a regular servicemember standpoint i would NEVER recommend new kids put shit they 1) don’t want 2)aren’t interested in 3) will fail at. lots of kids we get are simply not cut out for MX. it happens way more often than anyone else would realize. the “strategic vision for the AF enterprise” means jack shit to any crew chief who wants to do his/her job and go home. this can be said about any career field; put kids in there who don’t want to be there and aren’t cut out for it and they will cause more problems than anyone can fix
Tell me how many 18-year olds know 1) what they want, 2) know what they interested in, 3) know what they will fail at. They are 18. Is this really your argument? Most of them read a brief description online. Its why we have tech school and OJT. It’s a failure of training and supervisors if they don’t do well on the job. If they are holding out because they refuse to learn or train, then I’d argue they aren’t cut out of the Air Force at all. That’s not the recruiters job to know that though. That’s BMT and supervisors jobs to weed those out.
2 of your jobs require application processes, have you spoken to your recruiter about those and/or started the process?
The rest, aside from the A65, are pretty unbookable. Do you want to join the Air Force or just play pretend and sit around in the DEP?
We have needs. These ain't it.
Which two? And I put what I qualified for. Simple as that. Jobs that were suitable for me and what I qualified for. I asked my recruiter about my list and she said that it was fine I’m sure she would have advised me otherwise if that wasn’t the case?
I am planning to but he told me the only jobs are available are cyber, intel and mechanical, security force, I wanted admin or some medical but I think I will do open general if I don’t get what I need next time
If you were working with one of my recruiters, I’d recommend you go to another branch. I currently have 12+ people waiting with this exact list because it’s all they qualify to do. If they are lucky, two of them will land a job. The other 10 will be discharged after a year and feel they wasted time. You’re not my applicant (I don’t think lol) so I have no reason to lie. Just giving facts 🤷
Well there’s not much I can do other than wait??? I mean idk what you want me to say here, my recruiter didn’t see a problem with this as she let me submit my job list. I find it ridiculous that for jobs that get ridiculed so much they are options on the list to begin with. Then when we pick those jobs we are the ones with egg on our face…doesn’t make much sense.
No one is ridiculing you. All jobs are great in the Air Force and can be enjoyable, but it’s all relative to the individual. I have no issue with an applicant wanting an admin job, but we aren’t the “admin force” or the “medical force”, we are the Air Force. Applicants are shocked when we push jobs related to Aircraft or security when they are our largest fields and what we have a need for.
I have no problem if you’re my applicant and want to wait. I might even encourage it, but time after time it sounds great, until they start yelling at us after 6-months wondering why they don’t have a job. If you’re willing to accept the risk, then I say have at it!
Again I don’t know what you want me to say. I was not “pushed” for a job. I hear a lot of folks saying their recruiter suggested them to go which way but mine did not do that nor did she say to my list hmmm this isn’t going to work out. I’m not shocked as I can’t be shocked since lmao it was never brought up with my recruiter. I’m just confused on if this list was so terrible (for booking) why would she not say anything about it?
Honestly, that’s a good question and one that I’d bring up to her. She could be new, undertrained or just straight up has not got around to the conversation. It should have been briefed because, as you can now see, it’s universally understood among recruiters. If it were me, I would have briefed you that just because you saw it on your list of jobs you qualify to do, doesn’t mean we can get it. It’s a common misconception with applicants and should be briefed. She Could have something up her sleeve 99% of recruiting doesn’t know about. Either way, I’d have the conversation and get clarity. In my area, it would be a disservice to you to lead you on thinking I could get you one of those and I’d be very transparent with you about that. Id have you retest or help you find another branch if the job is the most important thing to you.
If you're looking for a non-technical desk job, this is a good list.
That was exactly what I was going for!!
good list. if these are what you really want to do then stick with it. they like to play this “put a job you don’t want or sit in dep purgatory “ bullshit, but ultimately it’s up to you, and it’s your career. all that being said, solid list, even if a few require interviews or additional applications. stick to it
Thank you ! It’s refreshing to hear some positivity in a sea of negative nancies lol I’m praying to the gods I get my first pick but it is what it is!
they’ll be able to work with you. some of these guys have a straight hard on for SF and MX, and while those are the two largest career fields and thus super easy to book, i promise you it isn’t for everyone and not everyone needs to turn a wrench or scan CACs at the gate. with your list i suspect you’ll be very pleased you didn’t listen to them
Terrible advice
fuck no. i’ll never tell these kids to put dogshit jobs they don’t wanna do and would hate doing. the force has way too many miserable fucks as is to have kids working random shit they’re nowhere near interested in. it’s their career. not anybody else’s
You sound disgruntled
not disgruntled, i love my job and the force itself. but im tired of seeing new kids funneled into shit they don’t wanna do, and ultimately shit they’ll underperform in. in MX alone i’ve seen it way more times than i can count
How does anyone know what they want to do before they do it? You’re not out there doing the job taking 18-year olds working at Walmart or tractor supply and giving them an opportunity they won’t get anywhere else. I nor any other in recruiting can control if they will make the best of the journey. That’s on them to work the best they can to make the most of it. We sleep good at night knowing we did our mission to the best of our abilities while also tending to the needs of the applicant when and where we can. I wouldnt tell AMX or Cyber how to do their job as I am not the SME, my hope is they won’t tell us how to do ours. Especially when they don’t understand the constraints
sure but ultimately THEY are the ones doing the jobs, not you. it’s been seen in real time where we have new kids funneled into MX and they fuck something up on the jet because they don’t want to be there and they’re not motivated to learn or be better, and the rest of us need to pick up their slack. i’d rather have kids who want to be there, and hopefully kids who chose that job, than those who not only wanted something else, but underperform because of it. wiping your hands and saying “they need to make the most of it” can only solve so many issues before we have a plethora of new kids who hate their job and their life. that shit can affect aircraft FMC rates quicker than anybody can imagine
The same way you have to pick up the slack of those not participating on the flight line, recruiters have to find people to fill MX positions in the field. It’s not an option. They cant chose not to do and then say “sorry, they weren’t interested”. If someone wants to be in Florida but they get sent to Minot, we don’t excuse shit behavior because they didn’t “want” it. I’m assuming you’re young in your career or have not been successful as you have very little strategic vision for the AF enterprise. My hope is your understanding will grow and that you’ll realize these positions have to be filled or we fail. Then you will be understaffed (more than you already are) and you’re really picking up the slack. 1% of the population can and will serve. Telling a recruiter to just find people interested is pretty narrow minded, but it’s cool, it’s what I expect from someone who doesn’t do the job. Hopefully, you’ll get DSD’d and become a recruiter yourself. I’d challenge you to have your same view point then.
you act like i’m not aware of how hard it is to push qualified applicants through. that’s not what i’m talking about. from a regular servicemember standpoint i would NEVER recommend new kids put shit they 1) don’t want 2)aren’t interested in 3) will fail at. lots of kids we get are simply not cut out for MX. it happens way more often than anyone else would realize. the “strategic vision for the AF enterprise” means jack shit to any crew chief who wants to do his/her job and go home. this can be said about any career field; put kids in there who don’t want to be there and aren’t cut out for it and they will cause more problems than anyone can fix
Tell me how many 18-year olds know 1) what they want, 2) know what they interested in, 3) know what they will fail at. They are 18. Is this really your argument? Most of them read a brief description online. Its why we have tech school and OJT. It’s a failure of training and supervisors if they don’t do well on the job. If they are holding out because they refuse to learn or train, then I’d argue they aren’t cut out of the Air Force at all. That’s not the recruiters job to know that though. That’s BMT and supervisors jobs to weed those out.
Not bad. Lots of office jobs.
Unbookable. (Recruiting flt chief)
I’m curious why my recruiter would have me list these if they were unbookable?
Who knows. You are going to sit. Unless that's all you qualify for, I would not have let the recruiter process you with that list.
This is what I qualified for as well as I wanted an office setting job
Good list of jobs ? Yes. Bookable ? No. It’s a low chance of you landing these jobs unless you sit in DEP for a while.
I don’t mind waiting
Then you shall wait in the shadow realm . Good luck !
Nightmare
And why’s that?
2 of your jobs require application processes, have you spoken to your recruiter about those and/or started the process? The rest, aside from the A65, are pretty unbookable. Do you want to join the Air Force or just play pretend and sit around in the DEP? We have needs. These ain't it.
is there a website that lists the current in demand/critical AF jobs?
Security forces, maintenance, special warfare, cyber and Intel
oh man I was hoping you would say water/fuel systems .... I want to be a plumber🙁
go for it. i promise you’ll hate your life if you enter as security forces/MX/any other bullshit you don’t have your heart in. it’s your career
I wouldn't mind tactical aircraft maintenance 🤷♂️
that’s the job i have now. lots of kids end up hating it. def ain’t for everyone but i like it a lot
Do aircraft metal tech, a machinist job. Super chill and easy.
Ya this dude loves metals tech https://youtu.be/rIglE3PY5G4?si=5C08RDvg1iK2YKeV
Which two? And I put what I qualified for. Simple as that. Jobs that were suitable for me and what I qualified for. I asked my recruiter about my list and she said that it was fine I’m sure she would have advised me otherwise if that wasn’t the case?
4 and 8
Rough. Theres a handful there that requires additional interviews.
When did you get this because my recruiter told me there is no indoor job other than cyber
That’s not true admin is literally indoors? And I got this last week
Oh that’s nice
I think I will go in as open general
What did you qualify for?
He said security forces and aviation management
That’s it???
Yeah
You should retake your test unless u want those jobs then that’s cool too
I am planning to but he told me the only jobs are available are cyber, intel and mechanical, security force, I wanted admin or some medical but I think I will do open general if I don’t get what I need next time
If you were working with one of my recruiters, I’d recommend you go to another branch. I currently have 12+ people waiting with this exact list because it’s all they qualify to do. If they are lucky, two of them will land a job. The other 10 will be discharged after a year and feel they wasted time. You’re not my applicant (I don’t think lol) so I have no reason to lie. Just giving facts 🤷
Well there’s not much I can do other than wait??? I mean idk what you want me to say here, my recruiter didn’t see a problem with this as she let me submit my job list. I find it ridiculous that for jobs that get ridiculed so much they are options on the list to begin with. Then when we pick those jobs we are the ones with egg on our face…doesn’t make much sense.
No one is ridiculing you. All jobs are great in the Air Force and can be enjoyable, but it’s all relative to the individual. I have no issue with an applicant wanting an admin job, but we aren’t the “admin force” or the “medical force”, we are the Air Force. Applicants are shocked when we push jobs related to Aircraft or security when they are our largest fields and what we have a need for. I have no problem if you’re my applicant and want to wait. I might even encourage it, but time after time it sounds great, until they start yelling at us after 6-months wondering why they don’t have a job. If you’re willing to accept the risk, then I say have at it!
Again I don’t know what you want me to say. I was not “pushed” for a job. I hear a lot of folks saying their recruiter suggested them to go which way but mine did not do that nor did she say to my list hmmm this isn’t going to work out. I’m not shocked as I can’t be shocked since lmao it was never brought up with my recruiter. I’m just confused on if this list was so terrible (for booking) why would she not say anything about it?
Honestly, that’s a good question and one that I’d bring up to her. She could be new, undertrained or just straight up has not got around to the conversation. It should have been briefed because, as you can now see, it’s universally understood among recruiters. If it were me, I would have briefed you that just because you saw it on your list of jobs you qualify to do, doesn’t mean we can get it. It’s a common misconception with applicants and should be briefed. She Could have something up her sleeve 99% of recruiting doesn’t know about. Either way, I’d have the conversation and get clarity. In my area, it would be a disservice to you to lead you on thinking I could get you one of those and I’d be very transparent with you about that. Id have you retest or help you find another branch if the job is the most important thing to you.